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(Inside Higher Ed)   U. of Colorado investigated for lack of faculty political diversity. Faculty: But we have leftists, radicals, progressives, socialists, communists, Stalinists, Marxists, Bolsheviks, Trotskyites, Maoists...how much more diversity do you want?   (insidehighered.com) divider line 39
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2013-06-21 09:23:07 PM  
14 votes:
Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.
2013-06-21 09:54:51 PM  
10 votes:
So, the wingers say the faculty isn't politically correct enough, and demand affirmative action to hire people they claim are being discriminated against.
2013-06-22 02:23:00 AM  
7 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Are engineers known for being politically conservative?


I don't know if they lean more conservative/Republican, but there does seem to be a strong correlation between engineers and people who are

1) Global warming deniers
2) 911 Truthers
3) Creationists

Engineers are the only type of professional who consider themselves experts on other professions. The dangerous thing about this is due to their highly technical field they posit some very strong arguments that are technically sound, backed by reason, evidence, and even experimentation....... even though they're still wrong. That makes their position very persuasive among those who are too busy, lazy or stupid to critically analyze their arguments. I've often said that a smart person in possession of a stupid idea is always more dangerous than a million stupid people in possession of a stupid idea. Stupid people you can easily ignore.

But every time I hear of a petition or a list of "scientists" who deny global warming or claim evolution is false, it's almost always completely full of engineers. No actual scientists. I don't know what it is about engineers that makes them vocal critics of other professions. It's like a dentist telling you how to fix your car. If I want an expert opinion on climate science, I'll ask a climatologist, not someone with a Masters in Engineering.
2013-06-22 02:09:56 AM  
7 votes:
Conservatives are under-represented in higher education.  In other news: Atheists are under-represented in church leadership.
2013-06-22 01:43:27 AM  
7 votes:
The single best advocate for the conservative viewpoint I had in college was a card-carrying member of the communist party. It was a history of Latin America class, and he absolutely eviscerated the liberal kids who put forth leftist views without really understanding the drawbacks of their own positions or the merits of the opposing views; the open minded ones got the point. There is no perfect ideology, and you need to know what the imperfections of yours are and have well-reasoned arguments as to why the benefits of your chosen ideology outweigh the weaknesses. And when it comes to those weaknesses, you acknowledge them, are willing to look outside your ideology for better solutions, and doing so makes your final position stronger.
2013-06-22 12:41:45 AM  
7 votes:
I'm sure in business schools and engineering programs most schools have a larger conservative population in the faculty. However, as Republicans are now really into their anti-intellectual phase, do they really expect to be populating the most intellectual of university departments? How may conservatives are going into doctoral studies in sociology and philosophy? With the anti-science streak of modern Republicanism, how many hard core conservatives are going into doctoral studies in life and environmental sciences? I would guess you might find some fiscally conservative types, but I doubt you would find many fundamentalist types there.

And what is your angle here, conservatives? Do you want an affirmative action program set up in universities for an underrepresented population (conservatives) to perhaps get jobs they might not be as qualified for based on their minority status in academia? Do you want a quota system based on political ideology?
2013-06-22 01:58:03 AM  
6 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.


There was an article about that on here a couple years back.  Some "conservative" who claimed to be a "mathematician."  This "mathematician" whined about how he was discriminated against because his papers weren't taken seriously by "the mathematical establishment." He also admitted that his mathematical papers "may show his 'conservative beliefs.'"

Newsflash: If you're paper, being submitted for approval in a peer-reviewed mathematical journal, so much as gives even the slightest clue as to your personal political views, then that pile of sh*t has no place being published in a math journal and belongs nowhere except in a f*cking recycling bin.  I can't even put it into words how laughable that sh*t is.
2013-06-22 02:03:10 AM  
4 votes:

WorldCitizen: I'm sure in business schools and engineering programs most schools have a larger conservative population in the faculty. However, as Republicans are now really into their anti-intellectual phase, do they really expect to be populating the most intellectual of university departments? How may conservatives are going into doctoral studies in sociology and philosophy? With the anti-science streak of modern Republicanism, how many hard core conservatives are going into doctoral studies in life and environmental sciences? I would guess you might find some fiscally conservative types, but I doubt you would find many fundamentalist types there.

And what is your angle here, conservatives? Do you want an affirmative action program set up in universities for an underrepresented population (conservatives) to perhaps get jobs they might not be as qualified for based on their minority status in academia? Do you want a quota system based on political ideology?


I don't know about engineering, but in my experience most of the professors who are in business, finance or anything related are quite conservative to the point of being rather sycophantic towards 'job creators' and conservative political string-pullers. It's mostly the fields that conservatives think are useless, snobby, evil and possibly sent to us directly by Satan that are filled with liberals.

It takes a special kind of brass ones to decry whole fields of study as 'lies from the pit of hell' and then complain that a school isn't hiring enough geology professors who think that so called carbon dating is a trick played on all of us by Satan, because obviously people are being mean to them by insisting that people who teach science understand what the scientific method is and think it's a good idea to use it.

The reason more people don't hate the Amish is because they aren't out harassing bus lines that they aren't hiring enough Amish drivers, who would then get paid to sit in their bus in the parking lot for 8 hours a day because actually DRIVING it would be evil, and by sitting in it during their shift to keep it from being driven they are doing the Lord's work.
2013-06-21 11:39:45 PM  
3 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.


That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.
2013-06-22 11:46:22 AM  
2 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.


Your life must be so easy in a made up fantasy world of what your enemies believe.
2013-06-22 07:12:55 AM  
2 votes:

kyrg: It's college, not political indoctrination camp. Teach the damn subject already.


People who have never been to college tend to view it through a junior high lens of suspicion and anathema, especially if they were stupid to begin with.
2013-06-22 06:59:31 AM  
2 votes:
Instead of whining for government welfare why don't conservatives urge professors to use the power of the free market and seek a position at Liberty or Bob Jones?
2013-06-22 02:55:23 AM  
2 votes:

Ishkur: Engineers are the only type of professional who consider themselves experts on other professions.


You must be amazingly healthy, as it seems you have never met a physician.

The sentiment regarding them was best encapsulated by my dear ol' dad, who told me so many years ago, "not only do they know more about practicing medicine than you do, but they also know more about your Winnebago than you do."
2013-06-22 02:28:55 AM  
2 votes:
You mean people who think the Earth is 6000 years old don't make good geology professors?!?  Or biology, or climatology, or anthropology, or archaeology, or...
2013-06-22 02:20:34 AM  
2 votes:

Smackledorfer: My econ professor was a conservative.

I don't see him supporting the modern republican party. He taught us trickle down was a farking joke.

/didn't like high deficit spending either fwiw.


Nobody likes high deficit spending. Some are just more willing to accept it as a minor 'evil' than others.


I liked the little kicker at the end of TFA. "There is no evidence this problem exists, but it will cost 40k to study it."
2013-06-22 01:59:55 AM  
2 votes:
My econ professor was a conservative.

I don't see him supporting the modern republican party. He taught us trickle down was a farking joke.

/didn't like high deficit spending either fwiw.
2013-06-22 01:50:38 AM  
2 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: WorldCitizen: I'm sure in business schools and engineering programs most schools have a larger conservative population in the faculty. However, as Republicans are now really into their anti-intellectual phase, do they really expect to be populating the most intellectual of university departments? How may conservatives are going into doctoral studies in sociology and philosophy? With the anti-science streak of modern Republicanism, how many hard core conservatives are going into doctoral studies in life and environmental sciences? I would guess you might find some fiscally conservative types, but I doubt you would find many fundamentalist types there.

And what is your angle here, conservatives? Do you want an affirmative action program set up in universities for an underrepresented population (conservatives) to perhaps get jobs they might not be as qualified for based on their minority status in academia? Do you want a quota system based on political ideology?

Are engineers known for being politically conservative?  My school had pretty big Chem E and Computer/Electrical Engineering programs and most of the guys I knew were more liberal than not.


No. He's casting stereotypes. On what basis, I don't know.

Being an engineer requires critical thinking and the ability to reason and do higher order math. Those three things don't really lend themselves to the conservative mindset these days.
2013-06-22 01:48:54 AM  
2 votes:

WorldCitizen: I'm sure in business schools and engineering programs most schools have a larger conservative population in the faculty. However, as Republicans are now really into their anti-intellectual phase, do they really expect to be populating the most intellectual of university departments? How may conservatives are going into doctoral studies in sociology and philosophy? With the anti-science streak of modern Republicanism, how many hard core conservatives are going into doctoral studies in life and environmental sciences? I would guess you might find some fiscally conservative types, but I doubt you would find many fundamentalist types there.

And what is your angle here, conservatives? Do you want an affirmative action program set up in universities for an underrepresented population (conservatives) to perhaps get jobs they might not be as qualified for based on their minority status in academia? Do you want a quota system based on political ideology?


whoa whoa whoa...don't lump engineers in with the conservatives.

My engineering professors, and indeed a good number of my classmates and my now colleagues are the libbiest libs whoever libbed.
2013-06-22 01:23:13 PM  
1 votes:
Turns out that well-educated people with high IQs tend to reject the dumb arguments made by wingnuts.  Who would have guessed?
2013-06-22 12:40:32 PM  
1 votes:

PsiChick: I have a feeling there  is a bias among academia, because Republicans don't  want to be teachers. They honestly think that those who can't do, teach (along with a myriad of other beliefs that make then honestly incompetent in both the sciences and liberal arts). So yeah...you did it to yourselves.


THIS.  It's like complaining that the NBA doesn't have enough short people who hate basketball in it.
2013-06-22 11:45:23 AM  
1 votes:
I only got 2 Cs in college.  One of them was in a Traditions class that was essentially "social work and why it is good".  The class consisted of doing some type of social work as well as in class tests/essays.  I completed the social work, averaged a 98 on tests, but got a C.  After a year of finding out why, the TA basically admitted that the teacher would mark grades down if he deemed essay/test answers as "not in the spirit of the class."  So while I got a 98 average on actual work, my non-liberal inference got me marked down with a vague grading technique not in the syllabus.  Teacher was let go 2 years later after numerous examples of this.
2013-06-22 10:57:19 AM  
1 votes:
It should be too obvious to point out, but then again, I'm a faculty member so I'll do it anyway: The personal politics of professors are not what should be surveyed. The question, if any, lies in how courses are being taught. What they need to do is survey the course syllabus with some targeted class observation. Its the same in journalism--what views journalists have don't matter--the importance lies in how news stories are written, edited and chosen in the first place. That's a much more difficult task to survey but ultimately its the only way to find out what you want to know. The fact that the Regents probably won't be doing such an accurate survey suggests they already know what they want to find. Prove me wrong, Regents. Prove me wrong.
2013-06-22 10:01:19 AM  
1 votes:
Just speaking for my own field (social psychology), this study shows that there is in fact a lack of diversity, and that liberals openly admit to discriminating against qualified applicants based on their political ideology.

http://m.pps.sagepub.com/content/7/5/ 496.short
2013-06-22 09:03:55 AM  
1 votes:
This is like complaining about their lack of intellectual diversity because they don't hire enough idiots.

Isn't this a golden opportunity for conservatives to demonstrate their bootstrappiness, and prove that the only thing keeping you from attaining your dream-job is your lack of discipline and willingness to work for it?
2013-06-22 08:42:04 AM  
1 votes:

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: [img.fark.net image 192x262][img.fark.net image 259x194]
I'll bet there not one rational ,scientific ,engineer to be found on the whole continent .


In a country of 1.2 billion people, of course you'll find one or two rational people.  Of course, in India, the most religious conservatives tend to look like this:

amazingdata.com

India is a prime example of why religion, any religion, is stunting of intellectual, scientific advancement.  With 1.3 billion people, they should be putting rovers on Mars.  Instead, they're bathing in rivers full of dead people to get "pure."
2013-06-22 08:12:44 AM  
1 votes:

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.
[img.fark.net image 420x326]

 Hey guys, after this landing  let's go join Lionel at the SDS rally .

// So that the latest talking point Liberals are all rational scientific thinkers and conservatives are anti-science.
Hello - hello - hello !  Is this echo chamber working.....


Is that a picture of a roomful of government employees? Because they tend to vote for Democrats.

What is that? Are you trying to say the political climate was different 50 years ago when that photo was taken?

Even if I conceded that everyone in that room voted for the Republican candidate in the closest Presidential election to the date of that pic was taken, that would mean they voted for a candidate that would create the EPA, OSHA, endorse universal healthcare, a ban on civilian handgun ownership, and reopen trade with Red China.

I guess that makes me an early 60s Republican.
2013-06-22 07:09:56 AM  
1 votes:
It's college, not political indoctrination camp. Teach the damn subject already.
2013-06-22 05:53:28 AM  
1 votes:
Clicking through...

"Those who don't have a liberal viewpoint don't share their viewpoints - they're in hiding because their views are made fun of by their peers. ... They're called stupid."

So, the problem is not so much a lack of diversity as it is a lack of courage.
2013-06-22 03:37:24 AM  
1 votes:

themindiswatching: Yawn. This is the same kind of shiat the local College Republicans always complained about when I was in college.

/that and the bake sales


Yep. Just like how this guy I knew my first year of law school was constantly complaining about how hard it was to be a conservative and a Christian on campus. At the same time he was busy complaining, he was running the Federalist Society chapter, which was and is by far the largest and best funded student group on campus.

Anything but a right wing echo chamber is persecution.
2013-06-22 03:09:17 AM  
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Ishkur: TuteTibiImperes: Are engineers known for being politically conservative?

I don't know if they lean more conservative/Republican, but there does seem to be a strong correlation between engineers and people who are

1) Global warming deniers
2) 911 Truthers
3) Creationists

Engineers are the only type of professional who consider themselves experts on other professions. The dangerous thing about this is due to their highly technical field they posit some very strong arguments that are technically sound, backed by reason, evidence, and even experimentation....... even though they're still wrong. That makes their position very persuasive among those who are too busy, lazy or stupid to critically analyze their arguments. I've often said that a smart person in possession of a stupid idea is always more dangerous than a million stupid people in possession of a stupid idea. Stupid people you can easily ignore.

But every time I hear of a petition or a list of "scientists" who deny global warming or claim evolution is false, it's almost always completely full of engineers. No actual scientists. I don't know what it is about engineers that makes them vocal critics of other professions. It's like a dentist telling you how to fix your car. If I want an expert opinion on climate science, I'll ask a climatologist, not someone with a Masters in Engineering.

Heh, something tells me you've never tried to do business with a real estate agent (*shivers*).

You may be right in a correlation between engineers and nuts, but I wonder if more if it isn't from there being a heck of a lot more people with engineering degrees than those who pursue careers in academia in the sciences.  You can be an engineer with a bachelor's degree, to be a science professor who gets any attention you need a PhD and a healthy list of published papers.

On the other hand, fields heavy in math and numbers tend to attract those who are uncomfortable in social situations, so that may align with the pers ...


Engineers? Try anyone military.  There is about a 70% chance that they are absolutely sure that their training and experience in the desert has left them capable of, with mere seconds of pondering, quickly finding the easy solution to the most difficult of problems. I work with guys who pass up on their 401k matching and have a retirement plan of "pay off my house" but they are positive they understand the complexities of macro-economics as well as climate science. But they are marines damnit, so unless you've shot someone you don't know shiat about shiat.

This could be similar to your point of being able to become an engineer with so much less study than a scientist.  A military guy is convinced he is an expert with a single academy.

Other gems include "I spent four years in the army, so I think I know more about the constitution than you do".
2013-06-22 02:32:24 AM  
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.


The issue is not the proportion of conservatives on staff, but how they are treated and whether that results in students not getting both kinds of derp.
2013-06-22 02:27:36 AM  
1 votes:
When did ones political party become a protected class?
2013-06-22 02:11:11 AM  
1 votes:

Don't Troll Me Bro!: TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.

There was an article about that on here a couple years back.  Some "conservative" who claimed to be a "mathematician."  This "mathematician" whined about how he was discriminated against because his papers weren't taken seriously by "the mathematical establishment." He also admitted that his mathematical papers "may show his 'conservative beliefs.'"

Newsflash: If you're paper, being submitted for approval in a peer-reviewed mathematical journal, so much as gives even the slightest clue as to your personal political views, then that pile of sh*t has no place being published in a math journal and belongs nowhere except in a f*cking recycling bin.  I can't even put it into words how laughable that sh*t is.


Oh, and here's a sample of a recently published mathematical research paper.  If anyone can point out to me any sort of hint at the author's political views, I'll buy you a year of TF: Have fun trying to read this, teabaggers.
2013-06-22 01:47:44 AM  
1 votes:

WorldCitizen: I'm sure in business schools and engineering programs most schools have a larger conservative population in the faculty. However, as Republicans are now really into their anti-intellectual phase, do they really expect to be populating the most intellectual of university departments? How may conservatives are going into doctoral studies in sociology and philosophy? With the anti-science streak of modern Republicanism, how many hard core conservatives are going into doctoral studies in life and environmental sciences? I would guess you might find some fiscally conservative types, but I doubt you would find many fundamentalist types there.

And what is your angle here, conservatives? Do you want an affirmative action program set up in universities for an underrepresented population (conservatives) to perhaps get jobs they might not be as qualified for based on their minority status in academia? Do you want a quota system based on political ideology?


Are engineers known for being politically conservative?  My school had pretty big Chem E and Computer/Electrical Engineering programs and most of the guys I knew were more liberal than not.
2013-06-22 01:46:03 AM  
1 votes:
My history professor, of all subjects, was fairly conservative, but seeing as he'd marched with Dr King as a young Air Force lieutenant, he'd probably be a RINO now.  He was a retired full-bird Colonel, had marched with King, commanded a squadron on the DMZ in Korea, but couldn't get tenure because (his reason) he'd not gotten his PhD until his late 40's.  He never seemed to blame it on being conservative, although he did laughingly say that all of the professors he knew that had worked before teaching were conservatives, and the ones that had gone straight into teaching were liberals.

Wish I could talk to him now about the Teatard movement and hear his opinion - he seemed rather level-headed and  I doubt he'd be in the pants-on-head now.
2013-06-22 01:32:34 AM  
1 votes:
I dont think there is a lack of political diversity

I just think that there are those who just dont speak up and voice their political concerns as they are more interested in teaching rather than impressing young students with propaganda
2013-06-21 10:01:57 PM  
1 votes:
Obviously fascists and Nazis are underrepresented

/but I repeat myself
2013-06-21 09:47:04 PM  
1 votes:
Yawn. This is the same kind of shiat the local College Republicans always complained about when I was in college.

/that and the bake sales
2013-06-21 09:37:28 PM  
1 votes:
How many little Eichmanns do they have?
 
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