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(Inside Higher Ed)   U. of Colorado investigated for lack of faculty political diversity. Faculty: But we have leftists, radicals, progressives, socialists, communists, Stalinists, Marxists, Bolsheviks, Trotskyites, Maoists...how much more diversity do you want?   (insidehighered.com) divider line 166
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2013-06-22 10:08:44 AM

gottagopee: // My heavy handed point enough with this BS that the Conservative plank is anti-science.
Hell even the Catholic Church doesn't teach the Earth is only 6000 years nonsense.
Spreading falsehoods and lies that are echo backed is in itself the antithesis of the scientific method.

Of course.  And Bobby Jindal's America:Land I Love textbook is rock-solid science.  So is Todd Akin's views on a woman's reproductive biology.

Not every conservative is an A1 jackass, but fark me if you can prove your point.


Here's a liberal college professor and using farkie logic therefore every liberal college professor  published the same manifesto
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2013-06-22 10:11:16 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: Is that a picture of a roomful of government employees? Because they tend to vote for Democrats.

What is that? Are you trying to say the political climate was different 50 years ago when that photo was taken?


I'm glad I wasn't the only one who didn't get the point that he was trying to make.
 
2013-06-22 10:15:50 AM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: gottagopee: // My heavy handed point enough with this BS that the Conservative plank is anti-science.
Hell even the Catholic Church doesn't teach the Earth is only 6000 years nonsense.
Spreading falsehoods and lies that are echo backed is in itself the antithesis of the scientific method.

Of course.  And Bobby Jindal's America:Land I Love textbook is rock-solid science.  So is Todd Akin's views on a woman's reproductive biology.

Not every conservative is an A1 jackass, but fark me if you can prove your point.

Here's a liberal college professor and using farkie logic therefore every liberal college professor  published the same manifesto
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You do know that the Unabomber spends a sizable chunk of his manifesto railing against liberals and leftists?
 
2013-06-22 10:17:35 AM

Son of Thunder: Just speaking for my own field (social psychology), this study shows that there is in fact a lack of diversity, and that liberals openly admit to discriminating against qualified applicants based on their political ideology.

http://m.pps.sagepub.com/content/7/5/ 496.short


Maybe they just want to have the biggest chance of hiring somebody smart.

Why Liberals and Atheists Are More Intelligent
 
2013-06-22 10:17:59 AM

Mrtraveler01: Uranus Is Huge!: Is that a picture of a roomful of government employees? Because they tend to vote for Democrats.

What is that? Are you trying to say the political climate was different 50 years ago when that photo was taken?

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who didn't get the point that he was trying to make.


His point is that he's a moron that tries to put meaning into his pathetic life by getting people to respond to his stupid posts.  That's it.  That's all.
 
2013-06-22 10:19:16 AM

that bosnian sniper: Maybe, just  maybe, were the GOP not so batshiat insane ideology would be "better represented" in academia.


I think a lot of it simply has to do with conservatives not wanting to be in academia.  There's a lot of cut-throat ladder climbing, fraud, abuse, petty politics, and nepotism in academia, but not as much as they like.
 
2013-06-22 10:26:02 AM
Can't see the point ?
Let me put on my MSNBC glasses and you'll just accept anything I say.

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" Hypnotic music "  The scientists at NASA versus the hippie at Haight Ashbury .
 Which of these two groups would you guess were conservative and which were liberal ?

How many times have you heard a conservative candidate pledge to cut millions wasted on space program  ?
 
2013-06-22 10:30:18 AM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: [img.fark.net image 192x262][img.fark.net image 259x194]
I'll bet there not one rational ,scientific ,engineer to be found on the whole continent .


The hell are you babbling about? You probably be first in line to beat Gandhi.
 
2013-06-22 10:37:55 AM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: How many times have you heard a conservative candidate pledge to cut millions wasted on space program  ?


A Washington Post analysis of Rep. Paul Ryan's (R-WI) FY2013shows that the part of the budget that includes NASA would be cut six percent more than the budget proposed by President Obama over the next 10 years.  Significant cuts to the part of the budget that includes NOAA also are proposed.  Overall, the Ryan plan protects defense spending, but makes deeper cuts overall to the federal budget than what was agreed to last year in the Budget Control Act.

All of NASA's activities except aeronautics are in function 250 -- General Science, Space and Technology.  That category also includes the National Science Foundation and the Department of Energy's science programs.  For FY2013, the Ryan plan calls for allocating $28 billion, down from $29.1 billion in FY2012.  The Obama budget calls for $29.5 billion in FY2013.  Over the 10-year period, the Washington Post says the total for function 250 is six percent less in the Ryan budget
 
2013-06-22 10:41:44 AM

SevenizGud: Ishkur: Engineers are the only type of professional who consider themselves experts on other professions.

You must be amazingly healthy, as it seems you have never met a physician.

The sentiment regarding them was best encapsulated by my dear ol' dad, who told me so many years ago, "not only do they know more about practicing medicine than you do, but they also know more about your Winnebago than you do."


I've known a couple of blue collar guys like that. The worst is a welder, who also happens to be extremely conservative. And for a guy who has repeatedly benefited in a number of ways from his union membership, seems awfully quick to attack any labor union.
 
2013-06-22 10:53:36 AM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: gottagopee: // My heavy handed point enough with this BS that the Conservative plank is anti-science.
Hell even the Catholic Church doesn't teach the Earth is only 6000 years nonsense.
Spreading falsehoods and lies that are echo backed is in itself the antithesis of the scientific method.

Of course.  And Bobby Jindal's America:Land I Love textbook is rock-solid science.  So is Todd Akin's views on a woman's reproductive biology.

Not every conservative is an A1 jackass, but fark me if you can prove your point.

Here's a liberal college professor and using farkie logic therefore every liberal college professor  published the same manifesto
.


You seem to have a really hard time understanding sets and subsets. A few logic and math classes should help you with that.

I'll go ahead and give you your first lesson. Everything in a subset exists in a set, but not everything in a set exists in a subset.

You really should have learned that in middle school.
 
2013-06-22 10:57:19 AM
It should be too obvious to point out, but then again, I'm a faculty member so I'll do it anyway: The personal politics of professors are not what should be surveyed. The question, if any, lies in how courses are being taught. What they need to do is survey the course syllabus with some targeted class observation. Its the same in journalism--what views journalists have don't matter--the importance lies in how news stories are written, edited and chosen in the first place. That's a much more difficult task to survey but ultimately its the only way to find out what you want to know. The fact that the Regents probably won't be doing such an accurate survey suggests they already know what they want to find. Prove me wrong, Regents. Prove me wrong.
 
2013-06-22 10:57:49 AM

Dougie AXP: Being an engineer requires critical thinking and the ability to reason and do higher order math. Those three things don't really lend themselves to the conservative mindset these days.


My impression is that there is a significant subset of engineers who are libertarians though.
 
2013-06-22 10:59:21 AM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Uranus Is Huge!: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.
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 Hey guys, after this landing  let's go join Lionel at the SDS rally .

// So that the latest talking point Liberals are all rational scientific thinkers and conservatives are anti-science.
Hello - hello - hello !  Is this echo chamber working.....

Is that a picture of a roomful of government employees? Because they tend to vote for Democrats.

What is that? Are you trying to say the political climate was different 50 years ago when that photo was taken?

Even if I conceded that everyone in that room voted for the Republican candidate in the closest Presidential election to the date of that pic was taken, that would mean they voted for a candidate that would create the EPA, OSHA, endorse universal healthcare, a ban on civilian handgun ownership, and reopen trade with Red China.

I guess that makes me an early 60s Republican.

WOW ! You should have seen what that Right Wing nut Kennedy was saying about taxes and space.
Just before that Ring Winger Oswald took him out. Or that other fundie right winger that shot his brother out years later.

Maybe you can post a cool pic of the conservatives dancing around VW buses and tripping balls were doing back in the day.
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Non Government employees (conservatives ) protesting math & science.

// My heavy handed point enough with this BS that the Conservative plank is anti-science.
Hell even the Catholic Church doesn't teach the Earth is only 6000 years nonsense.
Spreading falsehoods and lies that are echo backed is in itself the antithesis of the scientific method.


Got some news for you,  William F. Buckley is a long time dead (he pretty much kept his pope on a leash).  Now, it is accurate that both parties tend to treat science as a red headed step child but, whereas the Dems pretty much go whistling past passively safe reactor technology (yeah, terawatts of carbon neutrality in only a decade) to pursue lower output solutions.  The Repubs tend to reject the facts out of hand as a significant portion of their base are wanabee bible beaters.  Nixon understood what he had inherited from George Wallace.  He appointed a Fed. Prosecutor by the name of Shafer to head a Commission comprised of the most `conservative' `scientists' to `study out' marijuana.  They recommended decriminialization.  Nixon (on the tapes) is heard whining to Art Linkletter about betrayal and, apparently asked his buttboy Haldeman (rhetorically?) `Bob, why do these Jewish doctors hate me?'Nixon knew who he needed to pander to, f*ck the science:  He immediately initiated the War on Some Drugs (Operation Intercept for an opening salvo - FBN transformed into DEA - etc.).

Today?  I simply refer you to Lamar Smith (R), Chairman of the House Committee on Science and Technology:  "All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell"

/Now Colorado commies?  Or cannibals (yeah, inadvertant voter suppression - study it out):   http://umc.colorado.edu/dining/aprg
 
2013-06-22 11:07:11 AM
"The range contains rocks deposited before the Cambrian Period 540 million years ago..."  LIBERAL BIAS!
 
2013-06-22 11:28:00 AM
No, your conservatism is not why you weren't hired as a geology professor or an astrophysics professor... the fact you think the earth is only 7,000 years old has a whole lot more to do with it. Seriously, are they proposing affirmative action for stupidity?
 
2013-06-22 11:29:00 AM
Dr.Mxyzptlk.: *from the depths of the Derpiverse*

Poor thing.  Touched a wee nerve, eh?  As I said, not EVERY conservative is a jackass, but you are going far to disprove me.
 
2013-06-22 11:37:48 AM
Dr.Mxyzptlk.: blah blah blah

Yeah, it isn't like Republicans in this country have ever been the party that has wanted to cut the education budget, budget for NASA, or budget for scientific grants, right?  And religious conservatives have never been known to be anti-science, right?
 
2013-06-22 11:39:34 AM

Crazy Lee: /Now Colorado commies? Or cannibals (yeah, inadvertant voter suppression - study it out): http://umc.colorado.edu/dining/aprg


That's just awesome!

I'm guessing the students suggested it and the school decided to run with it. I love the gift cards myself.

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2013-06-22 11:41:17 AM

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: " Hypnotic music " The scientists at NASA versus the hippie at Haight Ashbury .
Which of these two groups would you guess were conservative and which were liberal ?


I dunno, John Glenn was a Democrat himself so I guess that means the folks at NASA were liberal?

/Boring troll is boring
 
2013-06-22 11:42:18 AM
1: Show open disdain for higher education
2: Whine that you're underrepresented in higher education
3: Profit?
 
2013-06-22 11:45:16 AM

Ilmarinen: Son of Thunder: Just speaking for my own field (social psychology), this study shows that there is in fact a lack of diversity, and that liberals openly admit to discriminating against qualified applicants based on their political ideology.

http://m.pps.sagepub.com/content/7/5/ 496.short

Maybe they just want to have the biggest chance of hiring somebody smart.

Why Liberals and Atheists Are More Intelligent


I found the full article you linked to. Setting aside the post-hoc theoretical masturbation, horrible psychometric weaknesses, ideosyncratic definitions, and small effect sizes in that article, along with its ignoring of contradictory prior research, the fact that the author used an encyclopedia to argue that communism caused atheism, and his finding that more "intelligent" (scare quotes due to the author pretending that a ten-item synonym-finding multiple-choice test is a valid indicator of general intelligence) participants were actually LESS likely to endorse liberal government policies...

you missed the part where they were willing to discriminate against qualified applicants in the original study.
 
2013-06-22 11:45:23 AM
I only got 2 Cs in college.  One of them was in a Traditions class that was essentially "social work and why it is good".  The class consisted of doing some type of social work as well as in class tests/essays.  I completed the social work, averaged a 98 on tests, but got a C.  After a year of finding out why, the TA basically admitted that the teacher would mark grades down if he deemed essay/test answers as "not in the spirit of the class."  So while I got a 98 average on actual work, my non-liberal inference got me marked down with a vague grading technique not in the syllabus.  Teacher was let go 2 years later after numerous examples of this.
 
2013-06-22 11:46:22 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.


Your life must be so easy in a made up fantasy world of what your enemies believe.
 
2013-06-22 11:50:39 AM

Shakin_Haitian: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: gottagopee: // My heavy handed point enough with this BS that the Conservative plank is anti-science.
Hell even the Catholic Church doesn't teach the Earth is only 6000 years nonsense.
Spreading falsehoods and lies that are echo backed is in itself the antithesis of the scientific method.

Of course.  And Bobby Jindal's America:Land I Love textbook is rock-solid science.  So is Todd Akin's views on a woman's reproductive biology.

Not every conservative is an A1 jackass, but fark me if you can prove your point.

Here's a liberal college professor and using farkie logic therefore every liberal college professor  published the same manifesto
.

You seem to have a really hard time understanding sets and subsets. A few logic and math classes should help you with that.

I'll go ahead and give you your first lesson. Everything in a subset exists in a set, but not everything in a set exists in a subset.

You really should have learned that in middle school.


Middle school was taught by libby mc libbersons, so he told them teachers the only letters he needed to know were U, S, and A.
 
2013-06-22 11:53:05 AM

MyRandomName: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

Your life must be so easy in a made up fantasy world of what your enemies believe.


OK, we'll globally replace 'conservative' with Republican throughout the thread.

There.  Reads much more true-to-life now.
 
2013-06-22 11:55:06 AM

MyRandomName: I only got 2 Cs in college.  One of them was in a Traditions class that was essentially "social work and why it is good".  The class consisted of doing some type of social work as well as in class tests/essays.  I completed the social work, averaged a 98 on tests, but got a C.  After a year of finding out why, the TA basically admitted that the teacher would mark grades down if he deemed essay/test answers as "not in the spirit of the class."  So while I got a 98 average on actual work, my non-liberal inference got me marked down with a vague grading technique not in the syllabus.  Teacher was let go 2 years later after numerous examples of this.


That's pretty douchy

Maybe it's because I went to school in the Midwest and I was a business major but it seemed to me that more of my professors in college were more conservative than they were liberal.

Except for the social science classes I took, they were liberal.
 
2013-06-22 11:56:16 AM
I thought the idea was to prevent some kind of centrally place anonymous bureaucrat from playing favorites in our cherished halls of learning. A logical conclusion would be to debate the differing opinions and let the informed student body decide what they want to pay for, in terms of professorship.
 
2013-06-22 11:56:25 AM

Dougie AXP: TuteTibiImperes: WorldCitizen: I'm sure in business schools and engineering programs most schools have a larger conservative population in the faculty. However, as Republicans are now really into their anti-intellectual phase, do they really expect to be populating the most intellectual of university departments? How may conservatives are going into doctoral studies in sociology and philosophy? With the anti-science streak of modern Republicanism, how many hard core conservatives are going into doctoral studies in life and environmental sciences? I would guess you might find some fiscally conservative types, but I doubt you would find many fundamentalist types there.

And what is your angle here, conservatives? Do you want an affirmative action program set up in universities for an underrepresented population (conservatives) to perhaps get jobs they might not be as qualified for based on their minority status in academia? Do you want a quota system based on political ideology?

Are engineers known for being politically conservative?  My school had pretty big Chem E and Computer/Electrical Engineering programs and most of the guys I knew were more liberal than not.

No. He's casting stereotypes. On what basis, I don't know.

Being an engineer requires critical thinking and the ability to reason and do higher order math. Those three things don't really lend themselves to the conservative mindset these days.


Such denigration you display of conservatives.  Surely you are the example of critical thinking in painting all your political enemies in the light that you do.  Bravo.

Really is fun watching liberals act like idiots in threads like this.  Offering up their unsupported views of their enemies.  Always amusing.

" Democrats have a huge advantage (63 percent) with voters earning less than $15,000 per year. This advantage carries forward for individuals earning up to $50,000 per year, and then turns in the Republicans' favor - with just 36 percent of individuals earning more than $200,000 per year supporting Democrats. "

Wow, so the poor (often less educated) vote for democrats, go figure.  Bribery was always the best strategy for gaining votes.  D'Toqueville even said as much "America will survive until the day Congress discovers it can bribe the American people with their own money."

"There are two distinct levels of education among Democrats: those without a high school diploma and those with post-graduate degrees. Republicans gain a majority of support from high school graduates, individuals with some college experience, and <a data-cke-saved-href="http://www.debt.org/students/">college graduates. "

Shocking, half of democrats don't have a high school education.  I'm sure that fits in to your narrative that all educated people are democrats.  The funny thing is democrats often have graduate degrees; usually people who can't get a decent job off their work ethic/bachelor's degree or in a degree that requires some sore of post-grad like Humanities to get out of the 30k a year range.  Really liberalism is just those who think they deserve more power (after not earning it) bribing the uneducated to give up their power.

But I'm sure you knew all this.

http://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-in-debt/economic-demographics-dem oc rats/
 
2013-06-22 12:03:59 PM

Son of Thunder: Ilmarinen: Son of Thunder: Just speaking for my own field (social psychology), this study shows that there is in fact a lack of diversity, and that liberals openly admit to discriminating against qualified applicants based on their political ideology.

http://m.pps.sagepub.com/content/7/5/ 496.short

Maybe they just want to have the biggest chance of hiring somebody smart.

Why Liberals and Atheists Are More Intelligent

I found the full article you linked to. Setting aside the post-hoc theoretical masturbation, horrible psychometric weaknesses, ideosyncratic definitions, and small effect sizes in that article, along with its ignoring of contradictory prior research, the fact that the author used an encyclopedia to argue that communism caused atheism, and his finding that more "intelligent" (scare quotes due to the author pretending that a ten-item synonym-finding multiple-choice test is a valid indicator of general intelligence) participants were actually LESS likely to endorse liberal government policies...

you missed the part where they were willing to discriminate against qualified applicants in the original study.


(Your researcher also claimed, BTW, that being intelligent turns you into a vegetarian. Should universities discriminate against carnivores, since that would, by your logic, increase "the chance of hiring somebody smart"?)
 
2013-06-22 12:06:01 PM
I read the headline and thought, 'Good. They need some diversity.' Then I read the article and saw that the Republican regents are driving this and I LOLed. Have any of these Regents have even set foot on that campus, let alone worked or taken classes there? I have always said that CU Boulder is The Good Ol' Boys Club. The administration is full of old, white conservative men. Please, please please waste $40K of taxpayer money to find out that CU Boulder is nothing like its surrounding community - something you should already know if you had paid even the slightest bit of attention to the school you were elected to oversee.
 
2013-06-22 12:16:07 PM
You forgot Alinskyites, Subby.
 
2013-06-22 12:16:41 PM

MyRandomName: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

Your life must be so easy in a made up fantasy world of what your enemies believe.


Too bad it's not a made up fantasy. Modern conservatives quite willingly share their beliefs (man-made climate change denial; reproductive systems shut down during rape; evolution denial, etc) showing us all that they truly are anti-intellectual douchebags.
 
2013-06-22 12:17:14 PM
I have a feeling there  is a bias among academia, because Republicans don't  want to be teachers. They honestly think that those who can't do, teach (along with a myriad of other beliefs that make then honestly incompetent in both the sciences and liberal arts). So yeah...you did it to yourselves.
 
2013-06-22 12:31:33 PM

MyRandomName: I only got 2 Cs in college.  One of them was in a Traditions class that was essentially "social work and why it is good".  The class consisted of doing some type of social work as well as in class tests/essays.  I completed the social work, averaged a 98 on tests, but got a C.  After a year of finding out why, the TA basically admitted that the teacher would mark grades down if he deemed essay/test answers as "not in the spirit of the class."  So while I got a 98 average on actual work, my non-liberal inference got me marked down with a vague grading technique not in the syllabus.  Teacher was let go 2 years later after numerous examples of this.


Cool story Bro, Now tell us the one about the job you didn't get because you were white.
 
2013-06-22 12:36:17 PM

MyRandomName: Dougie AXP: TuteTibiImperes: WorldCitizen: I'm sure in business schools and engineering programs most schools have a larger conservative population in the faculty. However, as Republicans are now really into their anti-intellectual phase, do they really expect to be populating the most intellectual of university departments? How may conservatives are going into doctoral studies in sociology and philosophy? With the anti-science streak of modern Republicanism, how many hard core conservatives are going into doctoral studies in life and environmental sciences? I would guess you might find some fiscally conservative types, but I doubt you would find many fundamentalist types there.

And what is your angle here, conservatives? Do you want an affirmative action program set up in universities for an underrepresented population (conservatives) to perhaps get jobs they might not be as qualified for based on their minority status in academia? Do you want a quota system based on political ideology?

Are engineers known for being politically conservative?  My school had pretty big Chem E and Computer/Electrical Engineering programs and most of the guys I knew were more liberal than not.

No. He's casting stereotypes. On what basis, I don't know.

Being an engineer requires critical thinking and the ability to reason and do higher order math. Those three things don't really lend themselves to the conservative mindset these days.

Such denigration you display of conservatives.  Surely you are the example of critical thinking in painting all your political enemies in the light that you do.  Bravo.

Really is fun watching liberals act like idiots in threads like this.  Offering up their unsupported views of their enemies.  Always amusing.

" Democrats have a huge advantage (63 percent) with voters earning less than $15,000 per year. This advantage carries forward for individuals earning up to $50,000 per year, and then turns in the Republicans' favor - with just 36 percent of indi ...


So how come the dirt poor and undereducated rural areas vote Republican.

And you're really slamming a post-grad degree? That includes things like doctors and MBA's. I'm sure you think both of those are morons right?
 
2013-06-22 12:36:59 PM
Son of Thunder:
I found the full article you linked to. Setting aside the post-hoc theoretical masturbation, horrible psychometric weaknesses, ideosyncratic definitions, and small effect sizes in that article, along with its ignoring of contradictory prior research, the fact that the author used an encyclopedia to argue that communism caused atheism, and his finding that more "intelligent" (scare quotes due to the author pretending that a ten-item synonym-finding multiple-choice test is a valid indicator of general intelligence)

As opposed to a short survey among members of a mailing list....
 
2013-06-22 12:40:32 PM

PsiChick: I have a feeling there  is a bias among academia, because Republicans don't  want to be teachers. They honestly think that those who can't do, teach (along with a myriad of other beliefs that make then honestly incompetent in both the sciences and liberal arts). So yeah...you did it to yourselves.


THIS.  It's like complaining that the NBA doesn't have enough short people who hate basketball in it.
 
2013-06-22 12:50:49 PM

Ilmarinen: Son of Thunder:
I found the full article you linked to. Setting aside the post-hoc theoretical masturbation, horrible psychometric weaknesses, ideosyncratic definitions, and small effect sizes in that article, along with its ignoring of contradictory prior research, the fact that the author used an encyclopedia to argue that communism caused atheism, and his finding that more "intelligent" (scare quotes due to the author pretending that a ten-item synonym-finding multiple-choice test is a valid indicator of general intelligence)

As opposed to a short survey among members of a mailing list....


Psychometric apple, meet psychometric orange.
 
2013-06-22 01:04:22 PM
Somacandra: ...The fact that the Regents probably won't be doing such an accurate survey suggests they already know what they want to find...

Yeah, but on the other hand, how many times do universities' administrative and governing bodies  really commission ethically- and intellectually-honest surveys? It's been my experience almost universally, that "we're commissioning a study to explore (X)" means "we've already decided to do (X), we're just looking for excuses to do it".

The most egregious example of which I can think was my former university's decision to ban smoking on campus. The university administered what amounted to an open access push poll devoid of any real methodology, and even then got results that showed just about half the student body just didn't care, and the other half were evenly split between opposition to, or support for, a smoking ban.

I just want to point out, half the responses they got,  in an open access poll, were "no opinion". How the shiat they pulled that off, I have  no idea.

The university's administration claimed the poll was a clear mandate from the student body in support of a smoking ban, because -- get this -- more students strongly supported the ban than strongly opposed it (in other words, of the students who opposed the ban, more weakly than strongly so). That's right, it was a mandate because the quarter of the student body that supported the ban, really supported it!
 
2013-06-22 01:11:38 PM

Zeno-25: TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.

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I was going to chastise you for using deceptively scaled charts, then I realized the IQ doesn't have anything resembling an upper or lower bound.
 
2013-06-22 01:14:43 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.


Funny; when people say these things about people you sympathize with, you loudly claim that it's not even possible. But now that those people find themselves in exactly the same situation, you suddenly find a shred of plausibility in the idea.
 
2013-06-22 01:15:04 PM

that bosnian sniper: I just want to point out, half the responses they got,  in an open access poll, were "no opinion". How the shiat they pulled that off, I have  no idea.


Other shenanigans aside, and there are rare exceptions to this generalization, but "no opinion" is farking retarded. If you believe the behavior hurts you, then the next step is to determine if it hurts enough to justify a ban.  Anything that doesn't justify a ban should result in, wait for it, being AGAINST A farkING BAN.  At the point where you don't care one way or another whether people smoke you should be at the step where you think "gee, should we restrict people's freedoms without good reason?" and the answer should always be "NO"
 
2013-06-22 01:20:29 PM
"Higher education and rational thought causes our kids to abandon our paleoconservative ideals, so we're going to demand that colleges continue our plan of indoctrination for us."

Pffffffffffft.
 
2013-06-22 01:23:13 PM
Turns out that well-educated people with high IQs tend to reject the dumb arguments made by wingnuts.  Who would have guessed?
 
2013-06-22 01:38:32 PM
Universities aren't a place for the willfully and aggressively ignorant.
 
2013-06-22 02:39:47 PM
I thought Republicans were against affirmative action.
 
2013-06-22 02:41:12 PM
Well, given that a lot of right wingers seem to value making money above all else/seem to think that being poor is a moral failing:

OF COURSE you are not going to get many conservative PhD students. Being a grad student is akin to being an indentured servant. People who make just above minimum wage probably make more money per hour than I do. (Contract: "Oh, you only need to do 20 hours of research a week" Reality if I want to get out of here in any reasonable amount of time: "HAHA! That's adorable. Try 50. Or 60.")

I sometimes wish I'd decided to bolt when I got my masters, get a law degree, and be a patent lawyer with a masters in Physics. (This is still my ultimate backup plan should I have issues getting a job once I get my PhD.)
 
2013-06-22 02:52:53 PM

Felgraf: (Contract: "Oh, you only need to do 20 hours of research a week" Reality if I want to get out of here in any reasonable amount of time: "HAHA! That's adorable. Try 50. Or 60.")


Yeah that whole "we only have to pay you for the first 20 hours per week" thing should be criminal.  I remember when a certain grant-funding agency started going on the warpath against universities that allowed 100% academic staff to spend up to 5% of their time mentoring students or sitting on committees - they considered it to be theft of their money which was allocated only for research.  Where's the outrage for the "theft" of every hour of work I was doing as a grad student beyond hour-20 each week?  It's not like the "tuition waiver" you get for being a research assistant means the university doesn't get your tuition dollars, it just comes out of the grant you are funded on.  You get zero compensation for that time.
 
2013-06-22 04:01:18 PM

bronyaur1: Turns out that well-educated people with high IQs tend to reject the dumb arguments made by wingnuts.  Who would have guessed?


You know what "they" say:

It isn't what you know
but who you know
 
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