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(Inside Higher Ed)   U. of Colorado investigated for lack of faculty political diversity. Faculty: But we have leftists, radicals, progressives, socialists, communists, Stalinists, Marxists, Bolsheviks, Trotskyites, Maoists...how much more diversity do you want?   (insidehighered.com) divider line 166
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2013-06-22 03:53:50 AM  
How can they be represented at a school when conservatives notoriously hate education?
 
2013-06-22 04:41:57 AM  
So is this lack of political diversity? Or a lack of lunatics subscribing to a specific agenda?

Because what was considered conservative in Eisenhower's time is apparently communist today.

I'm a bit concerned when someone wants the political temperatures of state universities to keep pace with wherever the current self-disenfranchising minority political party has been able to push their echo chambers Overton Window.

What are the discriminating factors here?
What, specifically, is the litmus test itself?
Are we examining these instructors on their personal beliefs or specific classroom actions?

This is one of those that reeks "solution in search of a problem". I have no doubt there are a vast majority of liberals at Colorado U. Both in the faculty and the student body. I've never been there but it just sounds logical. I'd say the same about nearly any State U.

And maybe their staff does have a problem!

The problem comes into play when you stop trying to identify specific faults with the specific actions of a specific teacher and start thinking that someone (from the government) should be able to come in and set a "fair" political/ideological tone. (In fact, I thought this was the type of thing conservative were against)

If this is a someone telling me not enough biology teachers think highly of intelligent design, or that not enough musical arts teachers are promoting non-secular arts, or that they can't find an economics professor that is willing to espouse all the great tenants of supply-side economics... yeah, no one cares about how persecuted you are because no one will back your insanity outside of private schools where education means closing your mind to certain ideas.

That's why conservatives that feel the need to brainwash their children into clones of themselves have been sending them to private schools since MY DAD went to school. (he's old)

His parents did it to him. He went to Wheaton. Established in 1860 they weren't even allowed to have co-ed dances until a carefully revised rules change in 2003.

/Can you imagine being 20 years old, married and not allowed to dance?
//Yeah, that's an education alright. It taught me a lesson anyways
///conservatives are whackballs
 
2013-06-22 04:44:54 AM  
An atheist is someone who lacks religious faith.
A conservative is someone who lacks knowledge.
 
2013-06-22 05:02:15 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.

There was an article about that on here a couple years back.  Some "conservative" who claimed to be a "mathematician."  This "mathematician" whined about how he was discriminated against because his papers weren't taken seriously by "the mathematical establishment." He also admitted that his mathematical papers "may show his 'conservative beliefs.'"

Newsflash: If you're paper, being submitted for approval in a peer-reviewed mathematical journal, so much as gives even the slightest clue as to your personal political views, then that pile of sh*t has no place being published in a math journal and belongs nowhere except in a f*cking recycling bin.  I can't even put it into words how laughable that sh*t is.


Math has a liberal bias.
 
2013-06-22 05:28:31 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.


I do have to say, it can be very hard for normal conservatives to make it in any kind of liberal university setting. At my law school, we had a quite conservative (Mormon, Republican) law professor, who was quite popular with us students, fairly outspoken politically, but hardly rubbing his politics in anyone's face and certainly never prosletyzing either his faith or his Republicanism in the classroom or on campus. He was more or less railroaded out of the faculty when the new dean took over mostly because he openly leaned right in a faculty that was predominately lefty.

It was sad, because he was a very good Civ Pro professor.
 
2013-06-22 05:36:41 AM  
The political right: renowned the world over for their intellectually-rigorous arguments, and status-quo-challenging theories.

The problem with universities is they hate that sort of thing. It's just a brown folk's and women's club in there. Always keeping the old white man down.
 
2013-06-22 05:53:28 AM  
Clicking through...

"Those who don't have a liberal viewpoint don't share their viewpoints - they're in hiding because their views are made fun of by their peers. ... They're called stupid."

So, the problem is not so much a lack of diversity as it is a lack of courage.
 
2013-06-22 05:55:28 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Clicking through...

"Those who don't have a liberal viewpoint don't share their viewpoints - they're in hiding because their views are made fun of by their peers. ... They're called stupid."

So, the problem is not so much a lack of diversity as it is a lack of courage.


"All I said was that global warming is a myth, the Earth is 6000 years old, and Obama is literally Satan, and they called me stupid!"
 
2013-06-22 06:10:50 AM  

LordJiro: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Clicking through...

"Those who don't have a liberal viewpoint don't share their viewpoints - they're in hiding because their views are made fun of by their peers. ... They're called stupid."

So, the problem is not so much a lack of diversity as it is a lack of courage.

"All I said was that global warming is a myth, the Earth is 6000 years old, and Obama is literally Satan, and they called me stupid!"


STAN....I said his name was STAN...damn my dyslexia!
 
2013-06-22 06:25:49 AM  
 
2013-06-22 06:30:14 AM  

cman: I dont think there is a lack of political diversity

I just think that there are those who just dont speak up and voice their political concerns as they are more interested in teaching rather than impressing young students with propaganda


Stop bringing common sense into this. We're just about to get outraged about something.
 
2013-06-22 06:49:07 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Don't Troll Me Bro!: TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.

There was an article about that on here a couple years back.  Some "conservative" who claimed to be a "mathematician."  This "mathematician" whined about how he was discriminated against because his papers weren't taken seriously by "the mathematical establishment." He also admitted that his mathematical papers "may show his 'conservative beliefs.'"

Newsflash: If you're paper, being submitted for approval in a peer-reviewed mathematical journal, so much as gives even the slightest clue as to your personal political views, then that pile of sh*t has no place being published in a math journal and belongs nowhere except in a f*cking recycling bin.  I can't even put it into words how laughable that sh*t is.

Oh, and here's a sample of a recently published mathematical research paper.  If anyone can point out to me any sort of hint at the author's political views, I'll buy you a year of TF: Have fun trying to read this, teabaggers.


I was told there would be no math.

queue the I'll just be a stripper.jpg
 
2013-06-22 06:56:07 AM  
I just had a revelation that maybe a certain political group wants to be all bootstrappy but they are just to damn fat to pull up their bootstraps?

/jus sayin

and honestly one side is a bunch of whiny babies and the other side is a bunch of spineless idiots

i leave it to you to decide which is which

/why not both?
 
2013-06-22 06:59:31 AM  
Instead of whining for government welfare why don't conservatives urge professors to use the power of the free market and seek a position at Liberty or Bob Jones?
 
2013-06-22 07:05:50 AM  

soia: I just had a revelation that maybe a certain political group wants to be all bootstrappy but they are just to damn fat to pull up their bootstraps?


'To pull oneself up by one's bootstraps' - literally means to reach down, grab your bootstraps, and lift yourself off the ground.  Which, of course, is impossible.
 
2013-06-22 07:09:31 AM  
Political association is a choice, no matter how many times you link mental illness with genetics.
 
2013-06-22 07:09:56 AM  
It's college, not political indoctrination camp. Teach the damn subject already.
 
2013-06-22 07:12:55 AM  

kyrg: It's college, not political indoctrination camp. Teach the damn subject already.


People who have never been to college tend to view it through a junior high lens of suspicion and anathema, especially if they were stupid to begin with.
 
2013-06-22 07:25:05 AM  

ib_thinkin: The political right: renowned the world over for their intellectually-rigorous arguments, and status-quo-challenging theories.

The problem with universities is they hate that sort of thing. It's just a brown folk's and women's club in there. Always keeping the old white man down.


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2013-06-22 07:34:39 AM  

kyrg: It's college, not political indoctrination camp. Teach the damn subject already.


So it's ok to teach evolution now?
 
2013-06-22 07:48:50 AM  

fusillade762: You mean people who think the Earth is 6000 years old don't make good geology professors?!?  Or biology, or climatology, or anthropology, or archaeology, or...


Liberty and Bob Jones Universities always have a tough time hiring qualified biologists for their faculty.  I wonder why?
 
2013-06-22 07:49:37 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: ib_thinkin: The political right: renowned the world over for their intellectually-rigorous arguments, and status-quo-challenging theories.

The problem with universities is they hate that sort of thing. It's just a brown folk's and women's club in there. Always keeping the old white man down.

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No, just incredibly sarcastic. And tired of the whining from the right. If no serious academic institution likes your ideas, maybe it's because your ideas aren't serious.
 
2013-06-22 07:52:03 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

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 Hey guys, after this landing  let's go join Lionel at the SDS rally .

// So that the latest talking point Liberals are all rational scientific thinkers and conservatives are anti-science.
Hello - hello - hello !  Is this echo chamber working.....
 
2013-06-22 07:55:29 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Is this echo chamber working.....


Apparently not, your idiocy is getting out of it.
 
2013-06-22 07:57:04 AM  
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What now I am a conservative !
What will my hollywood friends think of me ?
 
2013-06-22 07:59:00 AM  
They gonna get Paula Dean and the 1980 US Hockey Team.
 
2013-06-22 08:03:37 AM  
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I'll bet there not one rational ,scientific ,engineer to be found on the whole continent .
 
2013-06-22 08:06:16 AM  
All they want is a faculty that's fair and balanced. One professor who teaches women's studies. One professor who teaches legitimate rape. And so on.
 
2013-06-22 08:08:25 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.


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2013-06-22 08:09:08 AM  
If they did that shiat on my campus I'd put the derpiest derp on the survey. Announcing the political aim of your survey before conducting it is going to compromise the integrity of the results. Perhaps they should have asked a sociologist before implementing this plan...
 
2013-06-22 08:12:39 AM  
Nothing new here. When I was a kid, the "Young Republicans" who were hiding out from the draft on college campuses were whining that those campuses were overpopulated with plebes and peasants who disagreed with them, and failed to sufficiently respect their parents wealth.
 
2013-06-22 08:12:44 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.
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 Hey guys, after this landing  let's go join Lionel at the SDS rally .

// So that the latest talking point Liberals are all rational scientific thinkers and conservatives are anti-science.
Hello - hello - hello !  Is this echo chamber working.....


Is that a picture of a roomful of government employees? Because they tend to vote for Democrats.

What is that? Are you trying to say the political climate was different 50 years ago when that photo was taken?

Even if I conceded that everyone in that room voted for the Republican candidate in the closest Presidential election to the date of that pic was taken, that would mean they voted for a candidate that would create the EPA, OSHA, endorse universal healthcare, a ban on civilian handgun ownership, and reopen trade with Red China.

I guess that makes me an early 60s Republican.
 
2013-06-22 08:15:01 AM  

gameshowhost: Here, subby. I found a bunker for you to both hide in and recirculate derp.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative


Article at the top about the long debunked 1.4 billion royal perks story of the Obama family. Reddit conservatives keeping it intellectual.
 
2013-06-22 08:17:02 AM  
What no houngans?
Appalling.
 
2013-06-22 08:37:14 AM  
Reality has a liberal bias.

But we should be tolerant of the other, non-reality based point of view as well.
 
2013-06-22 08:42:04 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: [img.fark.net image 192x262][img.fark.net image 259x194]
I'll bet there not one rational ,scientific ,engineer to be found on the whole continent .


In a country of 1.2 billion people, of course you'll find one or two rational people.  Of course, in India, the most religious conservatives tend to look like this:

amazingdata.com

India is a prime example of why religion, any religion, is stunting of intellectual, scientific advancement.  With 1.3 billion people, they should be putting rovers on Mars.  Instead, they're bathing in rivers full of dead people to get "pure."
 
2013-06-22 08:51:14 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.
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 Hey guys, after this landing  let's go join Lionel at the SDS rally .

// So that the latest talking point Liberals are all rational scientific thinkers and conservatives are anti-science.
Hello - hello - hello !  Is this echo chamber working.....

Is that a picture of a roomful of government employees? Because they tend to vote for Democrats.

What is that? Are you trying to say the political climate was different 50 years ago when that photo was taken?

Even if I conceded that everyone in that room voted for the Republican candidate in the closest Presidential election to the date of that pic was taken, that would mean they voted for a candidate that would create the EPA, OSHA, endorse universal healthcare, a ban on civilian handgun ownership, and reopen trade with Red China.

I guess that makes me an early 60s Republican.


WOW ! You should have seen what that Right Wing nut Kennedy was saying about taxes and space.
Just before that Ring Winger Oswald took him out. Or that other fundie right winger that shot his brother out years later.

Maybe you can post a cool pic of the conservatives dancing around VW buses and tripping balls were doing back in the day.
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Non Government employees (conservatives ) protesting math & science.

// My heavy handed point enough with this BS that the Conservative plank is anti-science.
Hell even the Catholic Church doesn't teach the Earth is only 6000 years nonsense.
Spreading falsehoods and lies that are echo backed is in itself the antithesis of the scientific method.
 
2013-06-22 08:55:24 AM  
there's always some Republican and/or conservative faculty, at least in the economics, business and poli sci departments. Even in the most libby-lib institutions.

Maybe not a whole lot of derpy teabagger and theocrat types though, I guess that still counts as discrimination to those constituencies.
 
2013-06-22 08:56:47 AM  
// My heavy handed point enough with this BS that the Conservative plank is anti-science.
Hell even the Catholic Church doesn't teach the Earth is only 6000 years nonsense.
Spreading falsehoods and lies that are echo backed is in itself the antithesis of the scientific method.


Of course.  And Bobby Jindal's America:Land I Love textbook is rock-solid science.  So is Todd Akin's views on a woman's reproductive biology.

Not every conservative is an A1 jackass, but fark me if you can prove your point.
 
2013-06-22 09:03:55 AM  
This is like complaining about their lack of intellectual diversity because they don't hire enough idiots.

Isn't this a golden opportunity for conservatives to demonstrate their bootstrappiness, and prove that the only thing keeping you from attaining your dream-job is your lack of discipline and willingness to work for it?
 
2013-06-22 09:14:04 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.


Republicans whining about something stupid?  The hell you say!
 
2013-06-22 09:23:48 AM  

gottagopee: // My heavy handed point enough with this BS that the Conservative plank is anti-science.
Hell even the Catholic Church doesn't teach the Earth is only 6000 years nonsense.
Spreading falsehoods and lies that are echo backed is in itself the antithesis of the scientific method.

Of course.  And Bobby Jindal's America:Land I Love textbook is rock-solid science.  So is Todd Akin's views on a woman's reproductive biology.

Not every conservative is an A1 jackass, but fark me if you can prove your point.


There was a point?
 
2013-06-22 09:29:05 AM  

gottagopee: // My heavy handed point enough with this BS that the Conservative plank is anti-science.
Hell even the Catholic Church doesn't teach the Earth is only 6000 years nonsense.
Spreading falsehoods and lies that are echo backed is in itself the antithesis of the scientific method.

Of course.  And Bobby Jindal's America:Land I Love textbook is rock-solid science.  So is Todd Akin's views on a woman's reproductive biology.

Not every conservative is an A1 jackass, but fark me if you can prove your point.


Nice post, libtard.  I guess next time there's an earthquake or tornado, we know who to blame.
 
2013-06-22 09:54:09 AM  

Ishkur: TuteTibiImperes: Are engineers known for being politically conservative?

I don't know if they lean more conservative/Republican, but there does seem to be a strong correlation between engineers and people who are

1) Global warming deniers
2) 911 Truthers
3) Creationists

Engineers are the only type of professional who consider themselves experts on other professions. The dangerous thing about this is due to their highly technical field they posit some very strong arguments that are technically sound, backed by reason, evidence, and even experimentation....... even though they're still wrong. That makes their position very persuasive among those who are too busy, lazy or stupid to critically analyze their arguments. I've often said that a smart person in possession of a stupid idea is always more dangerous than a million stupid people in possession of a stupid idea. Stupid people you can easily ignore.

But every time I hear of a petition or a list of "scientists" who deny global warming or claim evolution is false, it's almost always completely full of engineers. No actual scientists. I don't know what it is about engineers that makes them vocal critics of other professions. It's like a dentist telling you how to fix your car. If I want an expert opinion on climate science, I'll ask a climatologist, not someone with a Masters in Engineering.



The process of going through Engineering school with all of its textbook problem solving messes with your mind a little bit. When you're done, you're convinced that you're brilliant, capable, and able to solve any problem you come across. It's why, once upon a time, electrocution while trying to fix a microwave oven was a statistically significant cause of death for Electrical Engineers.

(Possibly. No citation handy for this, it's something I heard back in the 80s.)

Sometimes this gets beaten out of us after a humiliating episode or two once we join the workforce... but the cleverer the engineer the more likely he is to be an arrogant prick in lots of different ways.
 
2013-06-22 09:55:20 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: This is like complaining about their lack of intellectual diversity because they don't hire enough idiots.


No like to it, that's pretty much exactly what's going on. Same crap as College Republicans -- say dumb, illogical, and incorrect stuff, get excoriated by peers and colleagues, then whine to anyone with a camera, microphone, or ink and pen of discrimination and liberalism. That's what happens in an institution that nominally (because let's face it, the contemporary university system has some real problems) values learning, critical thought, and knowledge more than political ideology.

That said, there  are Conservative (note the big-C), classical Republican, and classical Liberal, professors out there, in practically every field, especially poli sci. They also happen to have been ran wholesale out of the party in its vehemently anti-intellectual, anti-education, theocratic, demagogue fervor; more importantly,  befitting their big-C Conservative beliefs they simply don't feel personal political belief has a place in the classroom, at least on the part of the educator;  and lastly, are confident enough in their beliefs they don't feel the need to continually affirm them by spewing a little-C conservative viewpoint on absolutely, positively everything.

Maybe, just  maybe, were the GOP not so batshiat insane ideology would be "better represented" in academia. Big-C Conservatives, I'd wager in fact, would be  over-represented in political science. Professors speak out against the batshiat beliefs held by "conservatives", many of which are the antithesis of the principles held by academia and when applied as policy represent an existential threat to higher education, not conservatism itself.
 
2013-06-22 10:01:19 AM  
Just speaking for my own field (social psychology), this study shows that there is in fact a lack of diversity, and that liberals openly admit to discriminating against qualified applicants based on their political ideology.

http://m.pps.sagepub.com/content/7/5/ 496.short
 
2013-06-22 10:04:16 AM  
They call themselves progressive, but were there also rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shiat-kickers and Methodists?


Dean Hedley Lamarr wants to keep diverse, you know.
 
2013-06-22 10:04:58 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Have fun trying to read this, teabaggers.


Are you kidding me? This guy's political bias is all over that paper. The author's clearly a liberal, you can tell by the way he makes propositions then backs them up with logic and math instead of making statements then backing them up with unicorn farts and the bible.
 
2013-06-22 10:05:10 AM  
 
2013-06-22 10:06:51 AM  

phaseolus: Ishkur: TuteTibiImperes: Are engineers known for being politically conservative?

I don't know if they lean more conservative/Republican, but there does seem to be a strong correlation between engineers and people who are

1) Global warming deniers
2) 911 Truthers
3) Creationists

Engineers are the only type of professional who consider themselves experts on other professions. The dangerous thing about this is due to their highly technical field they posit some very strong arguments that are technically sound, backed by reason, evidence, and even experimentation....... even though they're still wrong. That makes their position very persuasive among those who are too busy, lazy or stupid to critically analyze their arguments. I've often said that a smart person in possession of a stupid idea is always more dangerous than a million stupid people in possession of a stupid idea. Stupid people you can easily ignore.

But every time I hear of a petition or a list of "scientists" who deny global warming or claim evolution is false, it's almost always completely full of engineers. No actual scientists. I don't know what it is about engineers that makes them vocal critics of other professions. It's like a dentist telling you how to fix your car. If I want an expert opinion on climate science, I'll ask a climatologist, not someone with a Masters in Engineering.


The process of going through Engineering school with all of its textbook problem solving messes with your mind a little bit. When you're done, you're convinced that you're brilliant, capable, and able to solve any problem you come across. It's why, once upon a time, electrocution while trying to fix a microwave oven was a statistically significant cause of death for Electrical Engineers.

(Possibly. No citation handy for this, it's something I heard back in the 80s.)

Sometimes this gets beaten out of us after a humiliating episode or two once we join the workforce... but the cleverer the engineer the more likely he ...


I'll take issue with #2. Any engineer who's education included any study of structures pretty much finds the claims of  the 911 Truthers to be laughable.
 
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