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(Inside Higher Ed)   U. of Colorado investigated for lack of faculty political diversity. Faculty: But we have leftists, radicals, progressives, socialists, communists, Stalinists, Marxists, Bolsheviks, Trotskyites, Maoists...how much more diversity do you want?   (insidehighered.com ) divider line
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2013-06-21 09:23:07 PM  
Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.
 
2013-06-21 09:37:28 PM  
How many little Eichmanns do they have?
 
2013-06-21 09:47:04 PM  
Yawn. This is the same kind of shiat the local College Republicans always complained about when I was in college.

/that and the bake sales
 
2013-06-21 09:54:51 PM  
So, the wingers say the faculty isn't politically correct enough, and demand affirmative action to hire people they claim are being discriminated against.
 
2013-06-21 09:57:09 PM  
What a bunch of snobs.
 
2013-06-21 10:01:57 PM  
Obviously fascists and Nazis are underrepresented

/but I repeat myself
 
2013-06-21 10:40:01 PM  
Subby, you're sounding oppressed. Are you feeling oppressed?
 
2013-06-21 11:39:45 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.


That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.
 
2013-06-22 12:06:54 AM  
Here, subby. I found a bunker for you to both hide in and recirculate derp.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative
 
2013-06-22 12:36:24 AM  

gameshowhost: Here, subby. I found a bunker for you to both hide in and recirculate derp.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative


Yawn. It seems to be the same old crap the Fark Independents™ post.
 
2013-06-22 12:41:45 AM  
I'm sure in business schools and engineering programs most schools have a larger conservative population in the faculty. However, as Republicans are now really into their anti-intellectual phase, do they really expect to be populating the most intellectual of university departments? How may conservatives are going into doctoral studies in sociology and philosophy? With the anti-science streak of modern Republicanism, how many hard core conservatives are going into doctoral studies in life and environmental sciences? I would guess you might find some fiscally conservative types, but I doubt you would find many fundamentalist types there.

And what is your angle here, conservatives? Do you want an affirmative action program set up in universities for an underrepresented population (conservatives) to perhaps get jobs they might not be as qualified for based on their minority status in academia? Do you want a quota system based on political ideology?
 
2013-06-22 12:52:30 AM  
Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur
 
2013-06-22 12:58:34 AM  

WorldCitizen: I'm sure in business schools and engineering programs most schools have a larger conservative population in the faculty. However, as Republicans are now really into their anti-intellectual phase, do they really expect to be populating the most intellectual of university departments? How may conservatives are going into doctoral studies in sociology and philosophy? With the anti-science streak of modern Republicanism, how many hard core conservatives are going into doctoral studies in life and environmental sciences? I would guess you might find some fiscally conservative types, but I doubt you would find many fundamentalist types there.

And what is your angle here, conservatives? Do you want an affirmative action program set up in universities for an underrepresented population (conservatives) to perhaps get jobs they might not be as qualified for based on their minority status in academia? Do you want a quota system based on political ideology?


Heck, all the the business history professors I had in my History program (University of Maryland) were pretty conservative.  I have no idea what the others were since it never really came up.
 
2013-06-22 01:32:34 AM  
I dont think there is a lack of political diversity

I just think that there are those who just dont speak up and voice their political concerns as they are more interested in teaching rather than impressing young students with propaganda
 
2013-06-22 01:43:27 AM  
The single best advocate for the conservative viewpoint I had in college was a card-carrying member of the communist party. It was a history of Latin America class, and he absolutely eviscerated the liberal kids who put forth leftist views without really understanding the drawbacks of their own positions or the merits of the opposing views; the open minded ones got the point. There is no perfect ideology, and you need to know what the imperfections of yours are and have well-reasoned arguments as to why the benefits of your chosen ideology outweigh the weaknesses. And when it comes to those weaknesses, you acknowledge them, are willing to look outside your ideology for better solutions, and doing so makes your final position stronger.
 
2013-06-22 01:46:03 AM  
My history professor, of all subjects, was fairly conservative, but seeing as he'd marched with Dr King as a young Air Force lieutenant, he'd probably be a RINO now.  He was a retired full-bird Colonel, had marched with King, commanded a squadron on the DMZ in Korea, but couldn't get tenure because (his reason) he'd not gotten his PhD until his late 40's.  He never seemed to blame it on being conservative, although he did laughingly say that all of the professors he knew that had worked before teaching were conservatives, and the ones that had gone straight into teaching were liberals.

Wish I could talk to him now about the Teatard movement and hear his opinion - he seemed rather level-headed and  I doubt he'd be in the pants-on-head now.
 
2013-06-22 01:47:44 AM  

WorldCitizen: I'm sure in business schools and engineering programs most schools have a larger conservative population in the faculty. However, as Republicans are now really into their anti-intellectual phase, do they really expect to be populating the most intellectual of university departments? How may conservatives are going into doctoral studies in sociology and philosophy? With the anti-science streak of modern Republicanism, how many hard core conservatives are going into doctoral studies in life and environmental sciences? I would guess you might find some fiscally conservative types, but I doubt you would find many fundamentalist types there.

And what is your angle here, conservatives? Do you want an affirmative action program set up in universities for an underrepresented population (conservatives) to perhaps get jobs they might not be as qualified for based on their minority status in academia? Do you want a quota system based on political ideology?


Are engineers known for being politically conservative?  My school had pretty big Chem E and Computer/Electrical Engineering programs and most of the guys I knew were more liberal than not.
 
2013-06-22 01:48:54 AM  

WorldCitizen: I'm sure in business schools and engineering programs most schools have a larger conservative population in the faculty. However, as Republicans are now really into their anti-intellectual phase, do they really expect to be populating the most intellectual of university departments? How may conservatives are going into doctoral studies in sociology and philosophy? With the anti-science streak of modern Republicanism, how many hard core conservatives are going into doctoral studies in life and environmental sciences? I would guess you might find some fiscally conservative types, but I doubt you would find many fundamentalist types there.

And what is your angle here, conservatives? Do you want an affirmative action program set up in universities for an underrepresented population (conservatives) to perhaps get jobs they might not be as qualified for based on their minority status in academia? Do you want a quota system based on political ideology?


whoa whoa whoa...don't lump engineers in with the conservatives.

My engineering professors, and indeed a good number of my classmates and my now colleagues are the libbiest libs whoever libbed.
 
2013-06-22 01:49:26 AM  
Awesome. Then they'll be investigating the Colorado Highway Patrol, too, right?
 
2013-06-22 01:50:38 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: WorldCitizen: I'm sure in business schools and engineering programs most schools have a larger conservative population in the faculty. However, as Republicans are now really into their anti-intellectual phase, do they really expect to be populating the most intellectual of university departments? How may conservatives are going into doctoral studies in sociology and philosophy? With the anti-science streak of modern Republicanism, how many hard core conservatives are going into doctoral studies in life and environmental sciences? I would guess you might find some fiscally conservative types, but I doubt you would find many fundamentalist types there.

And what is your angle here, conservatives? Do you want an affirmative action program set up in universities for an underrepresented population (conservatives) to perhaps get jobs they might not be as qualified for based on their minority status in academia? Do you want a quota system based on political ideology?

Are engineers known for being politically conservative?  My school had pretty big Chem E and Computer/Electrical Engineering programs and most of the guys I knew were more liberal than not.


No. He's casting stereotypes. On what basis, I don't know.

Being an engineer requires critical thinking and the ability to reason and do higher order math. Those three things don't really lend themselves to the conservative mindset these days.
 
2013-06-22 01:50:57 AM  
Sorry, but if conservatism and other right-leaning political ideologies weren't such moribund racist sexist socially-impeding philosophies, it would undoubtably be taught there.

No tears for someone who complains that there aren't enough classes where the teacher is fellaiting Ronald Reagan or some other overglorified loser mostly old people hail as some sort of hero.
 
2013-06-22 01:58:03 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.


There was an article about that on here a couple years back.  Some "conservative" who claimed to be a "mathematician."  This "mathematician" whined about how he was discriminated against because his papers weren't taken seriously by "the mathematical establishment." He also admitted that his mathematical papers "may show his 'conservative beliefs.'"

Newsflash: If you're paper, being submitted for approval in a peer-reviewed mathematical journal, so much as gives even the slightest clue as to your personal political views, then that pile of sh*t has no place being published in a math journal and belongs nowhere except in a f*cking recycling bin.  I can't even put it into words how laughable that sh*t is.
 
2013-06-22 01:59:55 AM  
My econ professor was a conservative.

I don't see him supporting the modern republican party. He taught us trickle down was a farking joke.

/didn't like high deficit spending either fwiw.
 
2013-06-22 02:00:35 AM  

whidbey: Sorry, but if conservatism and other right-leaning political ideologies weren't such moribund racist sexist socially-impeding philosophies, it would undoubtably be taught there.

No tears for someone who complains that there aren't enough classes where the teacher is fellaiting Ronald Reagan or some other overglorified loser mostly old people hail as some sort of hero.


Wow, dude; has anyone told you that you might have anger issues?
 
2013-06-22 02:03:10 AM  

WorldCitizen: I'm sure in business schools and engineering programs most schools have a larger conservative population in the faculty. However, as Republicans are now really into their anti-intellectual phase, do they really expect to be populating the most intellectual of university departments? How may conservatives are going into doctoral studies in sociology and philosophy? With the anti-science streak of modern Republicanism, how many hard core conservatives are going into doctoral studies in life and environmental sciences? I would guess you might find some fiscally conservative types, but I doubt you would find many fundamentalist types there.

And what is your angle here, conservatives? Do you want an affirmative action program set up in universities for an underrepresented population (conservatives) to perhaps get jobs they might not be as qualified for based on their minority status in academia? Do you want a quota system based on political ideology?


I don't know about engineering, but in my experience most of the professors who are in business, finance or anything related are quite conservative to the point of being rather sycophantic towards 'job creators' and conservative political string-pullers. It's mostly the fields that conservatives think are useless, snobby, evil and possibly sent to us directly by Satan that are filled with liberals.

It takes a special kind of brass ones to decry whole fields of study as 'lies from the pit of hell' and then complain that a school isn't hiring enough geology professors who think that so called carbon dating is a trick played on all of us by Satan, because obviously people are being mean to them by insisting that people who teach science understand what the scientific method is and think it's a good idea to use it.

The reason more people don't hate the Amish is because they aren't out harassing bus lines that they aren't hiring enough Amish drivers, who would then get paid to sit in their bus in the parking lot for 8 hours a day because actually DRIVING it would be evil, and by sitting in it during their shift to keep it from being driven they are doing the Lord's work.
 
2013-06-22 02:04:37 AM  
'Not enough diversity' is a bit vague.. what, do you need more people who will slut-shame their students?

No evidence of an actual problem.
 
2013-06-22 02:09:56 AM  
Conservatives are under-represented in higher education.  In other news: Atheists are under-represented in church leadership.
 
2013-06-22 02:11:11 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.

There was an article about that on here a couple years back.  Some "conservative" who claimed to be a "mathematician."  This "mathematician" whined about how he was discriminated against because his papers weren't taken seriously by "the mathematical establishment." He also admitted that his mathematical papers "may show his 'conservative beliefs.'"

Newsflash: If you're paper, being submitted for approval in a peer-reviewed mathematical journal, so much as gives even the slightest clue as to your personal political views, then that pile of sh*t has no place being published in a math journal and belongs nowhere except in a f*cking recycling bin.  I can't even put it into words how laughable that sh*t is.


Oh, and here's a sample of a recently published mathematical research paper.  If anyone can point out to me any sort of hint at the author's political views, I'll buy you a year of TF: Have fun trying to read this, teabaggers.
 
2013-06-22 02:13:29 AM  
FTFA discrimination based on political perspectives, particularly at the flagship Boulder campus

Yes.

/see - save you guys tons of money
//there is a reason Boulder is called East Berkeley
 
2013-06-22 02:20:34 AM  

Smackledorfer: My econ professor was a conservative.

I don't see him supporting the modern republican party. He taught us trickle down was a farking joke.

/didn't like high deficit spending either fwiw.


Nobody likes high deficit spending. Some are just more willing to accept it as a minor 'evil' than others.


I liked the little kicker at the end of TFA. "There is no evidence this problem exists, but it will cost 40k to study it."
 
2013-06-22 02:23:00 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Are engineers known for being politically conservative?


I don't know if they lean more conservative/Republican, but there does seem to be a strong correlation between engineers and people who are

1) Global warming deniers
2) 911 Truthers
3) Creationists

Engineers are the only type of professional who consider themselves experts on other professions. The dangerous thing about this is due to their highly technical field they posit some very strong arguments that are technically sound, backed by reason, evidence, and even experimentation....... even though they're still wrong. That makes their position very persuasive among those who are too busy, lazy or stupid to critically analyze their arguments. I've often said that a smart person in possession of a stupid idea is always more dangerous than a million stupid people in possession of a stupid idea. Stupid people you can easily ignore.

But every time I hear of a petition or a list of "scientists" who deny global warming or claim evolution is false, it's almost always completely full of engineers. No actual scientists. I don't know what it is about engineers that makes them vocal critics of other professions. It's like a dentist telling you how to fix your car. If I want an expert opinion on climate science, I'll ask a climatologist, not someone with a Masters in Engineering.
 
2013-06-22 02:24:55 AM  

Ishkur: If I want an expert opinion on climate science, I'll ask a climatologist, not someone with a Masters in Engineering.


Yeah, but they studied it out.
 
2013-06-22 02:24:59 AM  
The best prof I had was very conservative.  This was in a very libby lib lib PoliSci dept...a bit north of CU-Boulder.  Ended up TA-ing for him in grad school stats for social sciences.

/sadly he passed away a few years ago.
 
2013-06-22 02:26:45 AM  
While I'm a libby lib in almost all aspects, that website makes me want to punch people:

College is Scary:
"Monsters University," more than being a comment on higher education, is a film about the limits of hard work and the value of diversity. It's also "Revenge of the Nerds" with brighter colors and more limbs.

???Climate Change:
Interested in making your department more inclusive? Here's how to improve the climate for LGBT colleagues and students.

That was painful to read. It hurts. It just hurts so much. Why would you write that?
 
2013-06-22 02:27:36 AM  
When did ones political party become a protected class?
 
2013-06-22 02:28:55 AM  
You mean people who think the Earth is 6000 years old don't make good geology professors?!?  Or biology, or climatology, or anthropology, or archaeology, or...
 
2013-06-22 02:30:28 AM  

Ishkur: TuteTibiImperes: Are engineers known for being politically conservative?

I don't know if they lean more conservative/Republican, but there does seem to be a strong correlation between engineers and people who are

1) Global warming deniers
2) 911 Truthers
3) Creationists

Engineers are the only type of professional who consider themselves experts on other professions. The dangerous thing about this is due to their highly technical field they posit some very strong arguments that are technically sound, backed by reason, evidence, and even experimentation....... even though they're still wrong. That makes their position very persuasive among those who are too busy, lazy or stupid to critically analyze their arguments. I've often said that a smart person in possession of a stupid idea is always more dangerous than a million stupid people in possession of a stupid idea. Stupid people you can easily ignore.

But every time I hear of a petition or a list of "scientists" who deny global warming or claim evolution is false, it's almost always completely full of engineers. No actual scientists. I don't know what it is about engineers that makes them vocal critics of other professions. It's like a dentist telling you how to fix your car. If I want an expert opinion on climate science, I'll ask a climatologist, not someone with a Masters in Engineering.


Heh, something tells me you've never tried to do business with a real estate agent (*shivers*).

You may be right in a correlation between engineers and nuts, but I wonder if more if it isn't from there being a heck of a lot more people with engineering degrees than those who pursue careers in academia in the sciences.  You can be an engineer with a bachelor's degree, to be a science professor who gets any attention you need a PhD and a healthy list of published papers.

On the other hand, fields heavy in math and numbers tend to attract those who are uncomfortable in social situations, so that may align with the personality traits of conspiracy theorists.
 
2013-06-22 02:32:24 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.


The issue is not the proportion of conservatives on staff, but how they are treated and whether that results in students not getting both kinds of derp.
 
2013-06-22 02:33:58 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Heh, something tells me you've never tried to do business with a real estate agent (*shivers*).


I did say "professional".
 
2013-06-22 02:36:56 AM  

Ishkur: Engineers are the only type of professional who consider themselves experts on other professions.


My father is/was a Chemical Engineer.. yeah, he thinks he can do anything, and often pulls it off.

Politically, he was very independent.. until we both became Democrats around 2004 to oppose the Bush Administration.  Though I don't think they did very well at that.
 
2013-06-22 02:37:43 AM  
Subby forgot right handed people and albinos. Left handed teachers and albinos are underrepresented!
 
2013-06-22 02:39:33 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: While I'm a libby lib in almost all aspects, that website makes me want to punch people:

College is Scary:
"Monsters University," more than being a comment on higher education, is a film about the limits of hard work and the value of diversity. It's also "Revenge of the Nerds" with brighter colors and more limbs.

???Climate Change:
Interested in making your department more inclusive? Here's how to improve the climate for LGBT colleagues and students.

That was painful to read. It hurts. It just hurts so much. Why would you write that?


What website are you talking about?
 
2013-06-22 02:45:54 AM  
How about some Native Americans, whitey?

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-22 02:55:23 AM  

Ishkur: Engineers are the only type of professional who consider themselves experts on other professions.


You must be amazingly healthy, as it seems you have never met a physician.

The sentiment regarding them was best encapsulated by my dear ol' dad, who told me so many years ago, "not only do they know more about practicing medicine than you do, but they also know more about your Winnebago than you do."
 
2013-06-22 03:03:41 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Don't Troll Me Bro!: TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.

There was an article about that on here a couple years back.  Some "conservative" who claimed to be a "mathematician."  This "mathematician" whined about how he was discriminated against because his papers weren't taken seriously by "the mathematical establishment." He also admitted that his mathematical papers "may show his 'conservative beliefs.'"

Newsflash: If you're paper, being submitted for approval in a peer-reviewed mathematical journal, so much as gives even the slightest clue as to your personal political views, then that pile of sh*t has no place being published in a math journal and belongs nowhere except in a f*cking recycling bin.  I can't even put it into words how laughable that sh*t is.

Oh, and here's a sample of a recently published mathematical research paper.  If anyone can point out to me any sort of hint at the author's political views, I'll buy you a year of TF: Have fun trying to read this, teabaggers.



"Remark 2.5. In this paper, V will be either a Bk or Sk x I and X = @Bk or Sk x1."


This was the libby lib part, right?  That whole remark looks communist...
 
2013-06-22 03:07:47 AM  

Ishkur: I don't know if they lean more conservative/Republican, but there does seem to be a strong correlation between engineers and people who are

1) Global warming deniers
2) 911 Truthers
3) Creationists


Interestingly enough, this is true.  There was a study a few years ago that said among the technical and scientific fields, Electrical Engineers had by far the highest percentage of creationists.

/EE
//Definitely not a nutbag
 
2013-06-22 03:09:17 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Ishkur: TuteTibiImperes: Are engineers known for being politically conservative?

I don't know if they lean more conservative/Republican, but there does seem to be a strong correlation between engineers and people who are

1) Global warming deniers
2) 911 Truthers
3) Creationists

Engineers are the only type of professional who consider themselves experts on other professions. The dangerous thing about this is due to their highly technical field they posit some very strong arguments that are technically sound, backed by reason, evidence, and even experimentation....... even though they're still wrong. That makes their position very persuasive among those who are too busy, lazy or stupid to critically analyze their arguments. I've often said that a smart person in possession of a stupid idea is always more dangerous than a million stupid people in possession of a stupid idea. Stupid people you can easily ignore.

But every time I hear of a petition or a list of "scientists" who deny global warming or claim evolution is false, it's almost always completely full of engineers. No actual scientists. I don't know what it is about engineers that makes them vocal critics of other professions. It's like a dentist telling you how to fix your car. If I want an expert opinion on climate science, I'll ask a climatologist, not someone with a Masters in Engineering.

Heh, something tells me you've never tried to do business with a real estate agent (*shivers*).

You may be right in a correlation between engineers and nuts, but I wonder if more if it isn't from there being a heck of a lot more people with engineering degrees than those who pursue careers in academia in the sciences.  You can be an engineer with a bachelor's degree, to be a science professor who gets any attention you need a PhD and a healthy list of published papers.

On the other hand, fields heavy in math and numbers tend to attract those who are uncomfortable in social situations, so that may align with the pers ...


Engineers? Try anyone military.  There is about a 70% chance that they are absolutely sure that their training and experience in the desert has left them capable of, with mere seconds of pondering, quickly finding the easy solution to the most difficult of problems. I work with guys who pass up on their 401k matching and have a retirement plan of "pay off my house" but they are positive they understand the complexities of macro-economics as well as climate science. But they are marines damnit, so unless you've shot someone you don't know shiat about shiat.

This could be similar to your point of being able to become an engineer with so much less study than a scientist.  A military guy is convinced he is an expert with a single academy.

Other gems include "I spent four years in the army, so I think I know more about the constitution than you do".
 
2013-06-22 03:20:08 AM  
Interrogating political science professors about their political beliefs would strike me as disturbingly close to McCarthyism, but at least I could see where the regents' concerns were coming from.

Interrogating Engineering professors about their political beliefs is classic, full-bore McCarthyism.

In either case, if a resolution to allow students to claim discrimination based on political philosophy were passed, it would make it frightfully easy to fire a teacher simply for being left-wing ("When we were alone during office hours he said things that were terribly Marxist, creating a hostile environment").
 
2013-06-22 03:32:38 AM  
It's not just that conservatives are anti-intellectual, though I'm sure that plays a part. There's also a lot of structural problems for conservatives who want to be professors.

For example, one of my very good friends in college was in grad school to be a Classic professor, and he was very conservative. In the end, getting married and starting a family were more important to him so he left after his MA and before his Ph.d., and he now teaches Latin at a private high school. It's really hard to make it all the way through a doctoral program, and it conflicts with many of the things that conservatives value.
 
2013-06-22 03:37:24 AM  

themindiswatching: Yawn. This is the same kind of shiat the local College Republicans always complained about when I was in college.

/that and the bake sales


Yep. Just like how this guy I knew my first year of law school was constantly complaining about how hard it was to be a conservative and a Christian on campus. At the same time he was busy complaining, he was running the Federalist Society chapter, which was and is by far the largest and best funded student group on campus.

Anything but a right wing echo chamber is persecution.
 
2013-06-22 03:53:50 AM  
How can they be represented at a school when conservatives notoriously hate education?
 
2013-06-22 04:41:57 AM  
So is this lack of political diversity? Or a lack of lunatics subscribing to a specific agenda?

Because what was considered conservative in Eisenhower's time is apparently communist today.

I'm a bit concerned when someone wants the political temperatures of state universities to keep pace with wherever the current self-disenfranchising minority political party has been able to push their echo chambers Overton Window.

What are the discriminating factors here?
What, specifically, is the litmus test itself?
Are we examining these instructors on their personal beliefs or specific classroom actions?

This is one of those that reeks "solution in search of a problem". I have no doubt there are a vast majority of liberals at Colorado U. Both in the faculty and the student body. I've never been there but it just sounds logical. I'd say the same about nearly any State U.

And maybe their staff does have a problem!

The problem comes into play when you stop trying to identify specific faults with the specific actions of a specific teacher and start thinking that someone (from the government) should be able to come in and set a "fair" political/ideological tone. (In fact, I thought this was the type of thing conservative were against)

If this is a someone telling me not enough biology teachers think highly of intelligent design, or that not enough musical arts teachers are promoting non-secular arts, or that they can't find an economics professor that is willing to espouse all the great tenants of supply-side economics... yeah, no one cares about how persecuted you are because no one will back your insanity outside of private schools where education means closing your mind to certain ideas.

That's why conservatives that feel the need to brainwash their children into clones of themselves have been sending them to private schools since MY DAD went to school. (he's old)

His parents did it to him. He went to Wheaton. Established in 1860 they weren't even allowed to have co-ed dances until a carefully revised rules change in 2003.

/Can you imagine being 20 years old, married and not allowed to dance?
//Yeah, that's an education alright. It taught me a lesson anyways
///conservatives are whackballs
 
2013-06-22 04:44:54 AM  
An atheist is someone who lacks religious faith.
A conservative is someone who lacks knowledge.
 
2013-06-22 05:02:15 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.

There was an article about that on here a couple years back.  Some "conservative" who claimed to be a "mathematician."  This "mathematician" whined about how he was discriminated against because his papers weren't taken seriously by "the mathematical establishment." He also admitted that his mathematical papers "may show his 'conservative beliefs.'"

Newsflash: If you're paper, being submitted for approval in a peer-reviewed mathematical journal, so much as gives even the slightest clue as to your personal political views, then that pile of sh*t has no place being published in a math journal and belongs nowhere except in a f*cking recycling bin.  I can't even put it into words how laughable that sh*t is.


Math has a liberal bias.
 
2013-06-22 05:28:31 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.


I do have to say, it can be very hard for normal conservatives to make it in any kind of liberal university setting. At my law school, we had a quite conservative (Mormon, Republican) law professor, who was quite popular with us students, fairly outspoken politically, but hardly rubbing his politics in anyone's face and certainly never prosletyzing either his faith or his Republicanism in the classroom or on campus. He was more or less railroaded out of the faculty when the new dean took over mostly because he openly leaned right in a faculty that was predominately lefty.

It was sad, because he was a very good Civ Pro professor.
 
2013-06-22 05:36:41 AM  
The political right: renowned the world over for their intellectually-rigorous arguments, and status-quo-challenging theories.

The problem with universities is they hate that sort of thing. It's just a brown folk's and women's club in there. Always keeping the old white man down.
 
2013-06-22 05:53:28 AM  
Clicking through...

"Those who don't have a liberal viewpoint don't share their viewpoints - they're in hiding because their views are made fun of by their peers. ... They're called stupid."

So, the problem is not so much a lack of diversity as it is a lack of courage.
 
2013-06-22 05:55:28 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Clicking through...

"Those who don't have a liberal viewpoint don't share their viewpoints - they're in hiding because their views are made fun of by their peers. ... They're called stupid."

So, the problem is not so much a lack of diversity as it is a lack of courage.


"All I said was that global warming is a myth, the Earth is 6000 years old, and Obama is literally Satan, and they called me stupid!"
 
2013-06-22 06:10:50 AM  

LordJiro: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Clicking through...

"Those who don't have a liberal viewpoint don't share their viewpoints - they're in hiding because their views are made fun of by their peers. ... They're called stupid."

So, the problem is not so much a lack of diversity as it is a lack of courage.

"All I said was that global warming is a myth, the Earth is 6000 years old, and Obama is literally Satan, and they called me stupid!"


STAN....I said his name was STAN...damn my dyslexia!
 
2013-06-22 06:25:49 AM  
 
2013-06-22 06:30:14 AM  

cman: I dont think there is a lack of political diversity

I just think that there are those who just dont speak up and voice their political concerns as they are more interested in teaching rather than impressing young students with propaganda


Stop bringing common sense into this. We're just about to get outraged about something.
 
2013-06-22 06:49:07 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Don't Troll Me Bro!: TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.

There was an article about that on here a couple years back.  Some "conservative" who claimed to be a "mathematician."  This "mathematician" whined about how he was discriminated against because his papers weren't taken seriously by "the mathematical establishment." He also admitted that his mathematical papers "may show his 'conservative beliefs.'"

Newsflash: If you're paper, being submitted for approval in a peer-reviewed mathematical journal, so much as gives even the slightest clue as to your personal political views, then that pile of sh*t has no place being published in a math journal and belongs nowhere except in a f*cking recycling bin.  I can't even put it into words how laughable that sh*t is.

Oh, and here's a sample of a recently published mathematical research paper.  If anyone can point out to me any sort of hint at the author's political views, I'll buy you a year of TF: Have fun trying to read this, teabaggers.


I was told there would be no math.

queue the I'll just be a stripper.jpg
 
2013-06-22 06:56:07 AM  
I just had a revelation that maybe a certain political group wants to be all bootstrappy but they are just to damn fat to pull up their bootstraps?

/jus sayin

and honestly one side is a bunch of whiny babies and the other side is a bunch of spineless idiots

i leave it to you to decide which is which

/why not both?
 
2013-06-22 06:59:31 AM  
Instead of whining for government welfare why don't conservatives urge professors to use the power of the free market and seek a position at Liberty or Bob Jones?
 
2013-06-22 07:05:50 AM  

soia: I just had a revelation that maybe a certain political group wants to be all bootstrappy but they are just to damn fat to pull up their bootstraps?


'To pull oneself up by one's bootstraps' - literally means to reach down, grab your bootstraps, and lift yourself off the ground.  Which, of course, is impossible.
 
2013-06-22 07:09:31 AM  
Political association is a choice, no matter how many times you link mental illness with genetics.
 
2013-06-22 07:09:56 AM  
It's college, not political indoctrination camp. Teach the damn subject already.
 
2013-06-22 07:12:55 AM  

kyrg: It's college, not political indoctrination camp. Teach the damn subject already.


People who have never been to college tend to view it through a junior high lens of suspicion and anathema, especially if they were stupid to begin with.
 
2013-06-22 07:25:05 AM  

ib_thinkin: The political right: renowned the world over for their intellectually-rigorous arguments, and status-quo-challenging theories.

The problem with universities is they hate that sort of thing. It's just a brown folk's and women's club in there. Always keeping the old white man down.


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2013-06-22 07:34:39 AM  

kyrg: It's college, not political indoctrination camp. Teach the damn subject already.


So it's ok to teach evolution now?
 
2013-06-22 07:48:50 AM  

fusillade762: You mean people who think the Earth is 6000 years old don't make good geology professors?!?  Or biology, or climatology, or anthropology, or archaeology, or...


Liberty and Bob Jones Universities always have a tough time hiring qualified biologists for their faculty.  I wonder why?
 
2013-06-22 07:49:37 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: ib_thinkin: The political right: renowned the world over for their intellectually-rigorous arguments, and status-quo-challenging theories.

The problem with universities is they hate that sort of thing. It's just a brown folk's and women's club in there. Always keeping the old white man down.

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No, just incredibly sarcastic. And tired of the whining from the right. If no serious academic institution likes your ideas, maybe it's because your ideas aren't serious.
 
2013-06-22 07:52:03 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

img.fark.net

 Hey guys, after this landing  let's go join Lionel at the SDS rally .

// So that the latest talking point Liberals are all rational scientific thinkers and conservatives are anti-science.
Hello - hello - hello !  Is this echo chamber working.....
 
2013-06-22 07:55:29 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Is this echo chamber working.....


Apparently not, your idiocy is getting out of it.
 
2013-06-22 07:57:04 AM  
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What now I am a conservative !
What will my hollywood friends think of me ?
 
2013-06-22 07:59:00 AM  
They gonna get Paula Dean and the 1980 US Hockey Team.
 
2013-06-22 08:03:37 AM  
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I'll bet there not one rational ,scientific ,engineer to be found on the whole continent .
 
2013-06-22 08:06:16 AM  
All they want is a faculty that's fair and balanced. One professor who teaches women's studies. One professor who teaches legitimate rape. And so on.
 
2013-06-22 08:08:25 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-22 08:09:08 AM  
If they did that shiat on my campus I'd put the derpiest derp on the survey. Announcing the political aim of your survey before conducting it is going to compromise the integrity of the results. Perhaps they should have asked a sociologist before implementing this plan...
 
2013-06-22 08:12:39 AM  
Nothing new here. When I was a kid, the "Young Republicans" who were hiding out from the draft on college campuses were whining that those campuses were overpopulated with plebes and peasants who disagreed with them, and failed to sufficiently respect their parents wealth.
 
2013-06-22 08:12:44 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.
[img.fark.net image 420x326]

 Hey guys, after this landing  let's go join Lionel at the SDS rally .

// So that the latest talking point Liberals are all rational scientific thinkers and conservatives are anti-science.
Hello - hello - hello !  Is this echo chamber working.....


Is that a picture of a roomful of government employees? Because they tend to vote for Democrats.

What is that? Are you trying to say the political climate was different 50 years ago when that photo was taken?

Even if I conceded that everyone in that room voted for the Republican candidate in the closest Presidential election to the date of that pic was taken, that would mean they voted for a candidate that would create the EPA, OSHA, endorse universal healthcare, a ban on civilian handgun ownership, and reopen trade with Red China.

I guess that makes me an early 60s Republican.
 
2013-06-22 08:15:01 AM  

gameshowhost: Here, subby. I found a bunker for you to both hide in and recirculate derp.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative


Article at the top about the long debunked 1.4 billion royal perks story of the Obama family. Reddit conservatives keeping it intellectual.
 
2013-06-22 08:17:02 AM  
What no houngans?
Appalling.
 
2013-06-22 08:37:14 AM  
Reality has a liberal bias.

But we should be tolerant of the other, non-reality based point of view as well.
 
2013-06-22 08:42:04 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: [img.fark.net image 192x262][img.fark.net image 259x194]
I'll bet there not one rational ,scientific ,engineer to be found on the whole continent .


In a country of 1.2 billion people, of course you'll find one or two rational people.  Of course, in India, the most religious conservatives tend to look like this:

amazingdata.com

India is a prime example of why religion, any religion, is stunting of intellectual, scientific advancement.  With 1.3 billion people, they should be putting rovers on Mars.  Instead, they're bathing in rivers full of dead people to get "pure."
 
2013-06-22 08:51:14 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.
[img.fark.net image 420x326]

 Hey guys, after this landing  let's go join Lionel at the SDS rally .

// So that the latest talking point Liberals are all rational scientific thinkers and conservatives are anti-science.
Hello - hello - hello !  Is this echo chamber working.....

Is that a picture of a roomful of government employees? Because they tend to vote for Democrats.

What is that? Are you trying to say the political climate was different 50 years ago when that photo was taken?

Even if I conceded that everyone in that room voted for the Republican candidate in the closest Presidential election to the date of that pic was taken, that would mean they voted for a candidate that would create the EPA, OSHA, endorse universal healthcare, a ban on civilian handgun ownership, and reopen trade with Red China.

I guess that makes me an early 60s Republican.


WOW ! You should have seen what that Right Wing nut Kennedy was saying about taxes and space.
Just before that Ring Winger Oswald took him out. Or that other fundie right winger that shot his brother out years later.

Maybe you can post a cool pic of the conservatives dancing around VW buses and tripping balls were doing back in the day.
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Non Government employees (conservatives ) protesting math & science.

// My heavy handed point enough with this BS that the Conservative plank is anti-science.
Hell even the Catholic Church doesn't teach the Earth is only 6000 years nonsense.
Spreading falsehoods and lies that are echo backed is in itself the antithesis of the scientific method.
 
2013-06-22 08:55:24 AM  
there's always some Republican and/or conservative faculty, at least in the economics, business and poli sci departments. Even in the most libby-lib institutions.

Maybe not a whole lot of derpy teabagger and theocrat types though, I guess that still counts as discrimination to those constituencies.
 
2013-06-22 08:56:47 AM  
// My heavy handed point enough with this BS that the Conservative plank is anti-science.
Hell even the Catholic Church doesn't teach the Earth is only 6000 years nonsense.
Spreading falsehoods and lies that are echo backed is in itself the antithesis of the scientific method.


Of course.  And Bobby Jindal's America:Land I Love textbook is rock-solid science.  So is Todd Akin's views on a woman's reproductive biology.

Not every conservative is an A1 jackass, but fark me if you can prove your point.
 
2013-06-22 09:03:55 AM  
This is like complaining about their lack of intellectual diversity because they don't hire enough idiots.

Isn't this a golden opportunity for conservatives to demonstrate their bootstrappiness, and prove that the only thing keeping you from attaining your dream-job is your lack of discipline and willingness to work for it?
 
2013-06-22 09:14:04 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.


Republicans whining about something stupid?  The hell you say!
 
2013-06-22 09:23:48 AM  

gottagopee: // My heavy handed point enough with this BS that the Conservative plank is anti-science.
Hell even the Catholic Church doesn't teach the Earth is only 6000 years nonsense.
Spreading falsehoods and lies that are echo backed is in itself the antithesis of the scientific method.

Of course.  And Bobby Jindal's America:Land I Love textbook is rock-solid science.  So is Todd Akin's views on a woman's reproductive biology.

Not every conservative is an A1 jackass, but fark me if you can prove your point.


There was a point?
 
2013-06-22 09:29:05 AM  

gottagopee: // My heavy handed point enough with this BS that the Conservative plank is anti-science.
Hell even the Catholic Church doesn't teach the Earth is only 6000 years nonsense.
Spreading falsehoods and lies that are echo backed is in itself the antithesis of the scientific method.

Of course.  And Bobby Jindal's America:Land I Love textbook is rock-solid science.  So is Todd Akin's views on a woman's reproductive biology.

Not every conservative is an A1 jackass, but fark me if you can prove your point.


Nice post, libtard.  I guess next time there's an earthquake or tornado, we know who to blame.
 
2013-06-22 09:54:09 AM  

Ishkur: TuteTibiImperes: Are engineers known for being politically conservative?

I don't know if they lean more conservative/Republican, but there does seem to be a strong correlation between engineers and people who are

1) Global warming deniers
2) 911 Truthers
3) Creationists

Engineers are the only type of professional who consider themselves experts on other professions. The dangerous thing about this is due to their highly technical field they posit some very strong arguments that are technically sound, backed by reason, evidence, and even experimentation....... even though they're still wrong. That makes their position very persuasive among those who are too busy, lazy or stupid to critically analyze their arguments. I've often said that a smart person in possession of a stupid idea is always more dangerous than a million stupid people in possession of a stupid idea. Stupid people you can easily ignore.

But every time I hear of a petition or a list of "scientists" who deny global warming or claim evolution is false, it's almost always completely full of engineers. No actual scientists. I don't know what it is about engineers that makes them vocal critics of other professions. It's like a dentist telling you how to fix your car. If I want an expert opinion on climate science, I'll ask a climatologist, not someone with a Masters in Engineering.



The process of going through Engineering school with all of its textbook problem solving messes with your mind a little bit. When you're done, you're convinced that you're brilliant, capable, and able to solve any problem you come across. It's why, once upon a time, electrocution while trying to fix a microwave oven was a statistically significant cause of death for Electrical Engineers.

(Possibly. No citation handy for this, it's something I heard back in the 80s.)

Sometimes this gets beaten out of us after a humiliating episode or two once we join the workforce... but the cleverer the engineer the more likely he is to be an arrogant prick in lots of different ways.
 
2013-06-22 09:55:20 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: This is like complaining about their lack of intellectual diversity because they don't hire enough idiots.


No like to it, that's pretty much exactly what's going on. Same crap as College Republicans -- say dumb, illogical, and incorrect stuff, get excoriated by peers and colleagues, then whine to anyone with a camera, microphone, or ink and pen of discrimination and liberalism. That's what happens in an institution that nominally (because let's face it, the contemporary university system has some real problems) values learning, critical thought, and knowledge more than political ideology.

That said, there  are Conservative (note the big-C), classical Republican, and classical Liberal, professors out there, in practically every field, especially poli sci. They also happen to have been ran wholesale out of the party in its vehemently anti-intellectual, anti-education, theocratic, demagogue fervor; more importantly,  befitting their big-C Conservative beliefs they simply don't feel personal political belief has a place in the classroom, at least on the part of the educator;  and lastly, are confident enough in their beliefs they don't feel the need to continually affirm them by spewing a little-C conservative viewpoint on absolutely, positively everything.

Maybe, just  maybe, were the GOP not so batshiat insane ideology would be "better represented" in academia. Big-C Conservatives, I'd wager in fact, would be  over-represented in political science. Professors speak out against the batshiat beliefs held by "conservatives", many of which are the antithesis of the principles held by academia and when applied as policy represent an existential threat to higher education, not conservatism itself.
 
2013-06-22 10:01:19 AM  
Just speaking for my own field (social psychology), this study shows that there is in fact a lack of diversity, and that liberals openly admit to discriminating against qualified applicants based on their political ideology.

http://m.pps.sagepub.com/content/7/5/ 496.short
 
2013-06-22 10:04:16 AM  
They call themselves progressive, but were there also rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shiat-kickers and Methodists?


Dean Hedley Lamarr wants to keep diverse, you know.
 
2013-06-22 10:04:58 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Have fun trying to read this, teabaggers.


Are you kidding me? This guy's political bias is all over that paper. The author's clearly a liberal, you can tell by the way he makes propositions then backs them up with logic and math instead of making statements then backing them up with unicorn farts and the bible.
 
2013-06-22 10:05:10 AM  
 
2013-06-22 10:06:51 AM  

phaseolus: Ishkur: TuteTibiImperes: Are engineers known for being politically conservative?

I don't know if they lean more conservative/Republican, but there does seem to be a strong correlation between engineers and people who are

1) Global warming deniers
2) 911 Truthers
3) Creationists

Engineers are the only type of professional who consider themselves experts on other professions. The dangerous thing about this is due to their highly technical field they posit some very strong arguments that are technically sound, backed by reason, evidence, and even experimentation....... even though they're still wrong. That makes their position very persuasive among those who are too busy, lazy or stupid to critically analyze their arguments. I've often said that a smart person in possession of a stupid idea is always more dangerous than a million stupid people in possession of a stupid idea. Stupid people you can easily ignore.

But every time I hear of a petition or a list of "scientists" who deny global warming or claim evolution is false, it's almost always completely full of engineers. No actual scientists. I don't know what it is about engineers that makes them vocal critics of other professions. It's like a dentist telling you how to fix your car. If I want an expert opinion on climate science, I'll ask a climatologist, not someone with a Masters in Engineering.


The process of going through Engineering school with all of its textbook problem solving messes with your mind a little bit. When you're done, you're convinced that you're brilliant, capable, and able to solve any problem you come across. It's why, once upon a time, electrocution while trying to fix a microwave oven was a statistically significant cause of death for Electrical Engineers.

(Possibly. No citation handy for this, it's something I heard back in the 80s.)

Sometimes this gets beaten out of us after a humiliating episode or two once we join the workforce... but the cleverer the engineer the more likely he ...


I'll take issue with #2. Any engineer who's education included any study of structures pretty much finds the claims of  the 911 Truthers to be laughable.
 
2013-06-22 10:08:44 AM  

gottagopee: // My heavy handed point enough with this BS that the Conservative plank is anti-science.
Hell even the Catholic Church doesn't teach the Earth is only 6000 years nonsense.
Spreading falsehoods and lies that are echo backed is in itself the antithesis of the scientific method.

Of course.  And Bobby Jindal's America:Land I Love textbook is rock-solid science.  So is Todd Akin's views on a woman's reproductive biology.

Not every conservative is an A1 jackass, but fark me if you can prove your point.


Here's a liberal college professor and using farkie logic therefore every liberal college professor  published the same manifesto
.img.fark.net
 
2013-06-22 10:11:16 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Is that a picture of a roomful of government employees? Because they tend to vote for Democrats.

What is that? Are you trying to say the political climate was different 50 years ago when that photo was taken?


I'm glad I wasn't the only one who didn't get the point that he was trying to make.
 
2013-06-22 10:15:50 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: gottagopee: // My heavy handed point enough with this BS that the Conservative plank is anti-science.
Hell even the Catholic Church doesn't teach the Earth is only 6000 years nonsense.
Spreading falsehoods and lies that are echo backed is in itself the antithesis of the scientific method.

Of course.  And Bobby Jindal's America:Land I Love textbook is rock-solid science.  So is Todd Akin's views on a woman's reproductive biology.

Not every conservative is an A1 jackass, but fark me if you can prove your point.

Here's a liberal college professor and using farkie logic therefore every liberal college professor  published the same manifesto
.[img.fark.net image 259x194]


You do know that the Unabomber spends a sizable chunk of his manifesto railing against liberals and leftists?
 
2013-06-22 10:17:35 AM  

Son of Thunder: Just speaking for my own field (social psychology), this study shows that there is in fact a lack of diversity, and that liberals openly admit to discriminating against qualified applicants based on their political ideology.

http://m.pps.sagepub.com/content/7/5/ 496.short


Maybe they just want to have the biggest chance of hiring somebody smart.

Why Liberals and Atheists Are More Intelligent
 
2013-06-22 10:17:59 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Uranus Is Huge!: Is that a picture of a roomful of government employees? Because they tend to vote for Democrats.

What is that? Are you trying to say the political climate was different 50 years ago when that photo was taken?

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who didn't get the point that he was trying to make.


His point is that he's a moron that tries to put meaning into his pathetic life by getting people to respond to his stupid posts.  That's it.  That's all.
 
2013-06-22 10:19:16 AM  

that bosnian sniper: Maybe, just  maybe, were the GOP not so batshiat insane ideology would be "better represented" in academia.


I think a lot of it simply has to do with conservatives not wanting to be in academia.  There's a lot of cut-throat ladder climbing, fraud, abuse, petty politics, and nepotism in academia, but not as much as they like.
 
2013-06-22 10:26:02 AM  
Can't see the point ?
Let me put on my MSNBC glasses and you'll just accept anything I say.

img.fark.net

" Hypnotic music "  The scientists at NASA versus the hippie at Haight Ashbury .
 Which of these two groups would you guess were conservative and which were liberal ?

How many times have you heard a conservative candidate pledge to cut millions wasted on space program  ?
 
2013-06-22 10:30:18 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: [img.fark.net image 192x262][img.fark.net image 259x194]
I'll bet there not one rational ,scientific ,engineer to be found on the whole continent .


The hell are you babbling about? You probably be first in line to beat Gandhi.
 
2013-06-22 10:37:55 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: How many times have you heard a conservative candidate pledge to cut millions wasted on space program  ?


A Washington Post analysis of Rep. Paul Ryan's (R-WI) FY2013shows that the part of the budget that includes NASA would be cut six percent more than the budget proposed by President Obama over the next 10 years.  Significant cuts to the part of the budget that includes NOAA also are proposed.  Overall, the Ryan plan protects defense spending, but makes deeper cuts overall to the federal budget than what was agreed to last year in the Budget Control Act.

All of NASA's activities except aeronautics are in function 250 -- General Science, Space and Technology.  That category also includes the National Science Foundation and the Department of Energy's science programs.  For FY2013, the Ryan plan calls for allocating $28 billion, down from $29.1 billion in FY2012.  The Obama budget calls for $29.5 billion in FY2013.  Over the 10-year period, the Washington Post says the total for function 250 is six percent less in the Ryan budget
 
2013-06-22 10:41:44 AM  

SevenizGud: Ishkur: Engineers are the only type of professional who consider themselves experts on other professions.

You must be amazingly healthy, as it seems you have never met a physician.

The sentiment regarding them was best encapsulated by my dear ol' dad, who told me so many years ago, "not only do they know more about practicing medicine than you do, but they also know more about your Winnebago than you do."


I've known a couple of blue collar guys like that. The worst is a welder, who also happens to be extremely conservative. And for a guy who has repeatedly benefited in a number of ways from his union membership, seems awfully quick to attack any labor union.
 
2013-06-22 10:53:36 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: gottagopee: // My heavy handed point enough with this BS that the Conservative plank is anti-science.
Hell even the Catholic Church doesn't teach the Earth is only 6000 years nonsense.
Spreading falsehoods and lies that are echo backed is in itself the antithesis of the scientific method.

Of course.  And Bobby Jindal's America:Land I Love textbook is rock-solid science.  So is Todd Akin's views on a woman's reproductive biology.

Not every conservative is an A1 jackass, but fark me if you can prove your point.

Here's a liberal college professor and using farkie logic therefore every liberal college professor  published the same manifesto
.


You seem to have a really hard time understanding sets and subsets. A few logic and math classes should help you with that.

I'll go ahead and give you your first lesson. Everything in a subset exists in a set, but not everything in a set exists in a subset.

You really should have learned that in middle school.
 
2013-06-22 10:57:19 AM  
It should be too obvious to point out, but then again, I'm a faculty member so I'll do it anyway: The personal politics of professors are not what should be surveyed. The question, if any, lies in how courses are being taught. What they need to do is survey the course syllabus with some targeted class observation. Its the same in journalism--what views journalists have don't matter--the importance lies in how news stories are written, edited and chosen in the first place. That's a much more difficult task to survey but ultimately its the only way to find out what you want to know. The fact that the Regents probably won't be doing such an accurate survey suggests they already know what they want to find. Prove me wrong, Regents. Prove me wrong.
 
2013-06-22 10:57:49 AM  

Dougie AXP: Being an engineer requires critical thinking and the ability to reason and do higher order math. Those three things don't really lend themselves to the conservative mindset these days.


My impression is that there is a significant subset of engineers who are libertarians though.
 
2013-06-22 10:59:21 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Uranus Is Huge!: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.
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 Hey guys, after this landing  let's go join Lionel at the SDS rally .

// So that the latest talking point Liberals are all rational scientific thinkers and conservatives are anti-science.
Hello - hello - hello !  Is this echo chamber working.....

Is that a picture of a roomful of government employees? Because they tend to vote for Democrats.

What is that? Are you trying to say the political climate was different 50 years ago when that photo was taken?

Even if I conceded that everyone in that room voted for the Republican candidate in the closest Presidential election to the date of that pic was taken, that would mean they voted for a candidate that would create the EPA, OSHA, endorse universal healthcare, a ban on civilian handgun ownership, and reopen trade with Red China.

I guess that makes me an early 60s Republican.

WOW ! You should have seen what that Right Wing nut Kennedy was saying about taxes and space.
Just before that Ring Winger Oswald took him out. Or that other fundie right winger that shot his brother out years later.

Maybe you can post a cool pic of the conservatives dancing around VW buses and tripping balls were doing back in the day.
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Non Government employees (conservatives ) protesting math & science.

// My heavy handed point enough with this BS that the Conservative plank is anti-science.
Hell even the Catholic Church doesn't teach the Earth is only 6000 years nonsense.
Spreading falsehoods and lies that are echo backed is in itself the antithesis of the scientific method.


Got some news for you,  William F. Buckley is a long time dead (he pretty much kept his pope on a leash).  Now, it is accurate that both parties tend to treat science as a red headed step child but, whereas the Dems pretty much go whistling past passively safe reactor technology (yeah, terawatts of carbon neutrality in only a decade) to pursue lower output solutions.  The Repubs tend to reject the facts out of hand as a significant portion of their base are wanabee bible beaters.  Nixon understood what he had inherited from George Wallace.  He appointed a Fed. Prosecutor by the name of Shafer to head a Commission comprised of the most `conservative' `scientists' to `study out' marijuana.  They recommended decriminialization.  Nixon (on the tapes) is heard whining to Art Linkletter about betrayal and, apparently asked his buttboy Haldeman (rhetorically?) `Bob, why do these Jewish doctors hate me?'Nixon knew who he needed to pander to, f*ck the science:  He immediately initiated the War on Some Drugs (Operation Intercept for an opening salvo - FBN transformed into DEA - etc.).

Today?  I simply refer you to Lamar Smith (R), Chairman of the House Committee on Science and Technology:  "All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell"

/Now Colorado commies?  Or cannibals (yeah, inadvertant voter suppression - study it out):   http://umc.colorado.edu/dining/aprg
 
2013-06-22 11:07:11 AM  
"The range contains rocks deposited before the Cambrian Period 540 million years ago..."  LIBERAL BIAS!
 
2013-06-22 11:28:00 AM  
No, your conservatism is not why you weren't hired as a geology professor or an astrophysics professor... the fact you think the earth is only 7,000 years old has a whole lot more to do with it. Seriously, are they proposing affirmative action for stupidity?
 
2013-06-22 11:29:00 AM  
Dr.Mxyzptlk.: *from the depths of the Derpiverse*

Poor thing.  Touched a wee nerve, eh?  As I said, not EVERY conservative is a jackass, but you are going far to disprove me.
 
2013-06-22 11:37:48 AM  
Dr.Mxyzptlk.: blah blah blah

Yeah, it isn't like Republicans in this country have ever been the party that has wanted to cut the education budget, budget for NASA, or budget for scientific grants, right?  And religious conservatives have never been known to be anti-science, right?
 
2013-06-22 11:39:34 AM  

Crazy Lee: /Now Colorado commies? Or cannibals (yeah, inadvertant voter suppression - study it out): http://umc.colorado.edu/dining/aprg


That's just awesome!

I'm guessing the students suggested it and the school decided to run with it. I love the gift cards myself.

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2013-06-22 11:41:17 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: " Hypnotic music " The scientists at NASA versus the hippie at Haight Ashbury .
Which of these two groups would you guess were conservative and which were liberal ?


I dunno, John Glenn was a Democrat himself so I guess that means the folks at NASA were liberal?

/Boring troll is boring
 
2013-06-22 11:42:18 AM  
1: Show open disdain for higher education
2: Whine that you're underrepresented in higher education
3: Profit?
 
2013-06-22 11:45:16 AM  

Ilmarinen: Son of Thunder: Just speaking for my own field (social psychology), this study shows that there is in fact a lack of diversity, and that liberals openly admit to discriminating against qualified applicants based on their political ideology.

http://m.pps.sagepub.com/content/7/5/ 496.short

Maybe they just want to have the biggest chance of hiring somebody smart.

Why Liberals and Atheists Are More Intelligent


I found the full article you linked to. Setting aside the post-hoc theoretical masturbation, horrible psychometric weaknesses, ideosyncratic definitions, and small effect sizes in that article, along with its ignoring of contradictory prior research, the fact that the author used an encyclopedia to argue that communism caused atheism, and his finding that more "intelligent" (scare quotes due to the author pretending that a ten-item synonym-finding multiple-choice test is a valid indicator of general intelligence) participants were actually LESS likely to endorse liberal government policies...

you missed the part where they were willing to discriminate against qualified applicants in the original study.
 
2013-06-22 11:45:23 AM  
I only got 2 Cs in college.  One of them was in a Traditions class that was essentially "social work and why it is good".  The class consisted of doing some type of social work as well as in class tests/essays.  I completed the social work, averaged a 98 on tests, but got a C.  After a year of finding out why, the TA basically admitted that the teacher would mark grades down if he deemed essay/test answers as "not in the spirit of the class."  So while I got a 98 average on actual work, my non-liberal inference got me marked down with a vague grading technique not in the syllabus.  Teacher was let go 2 years later after numerous examples of this.
 
2013-06-22 11:46:22 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.


Your life must be so easy in a made up fantasy world of what your enemies believe.
 
2013-06-22 11:50:39 AM  

Shakin_Haitian: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: gottagopee: // My heavy handed point enough with this BS that the Conservative plank is anti-science.
Hell even the Catholic Church doesn't teach the Earth is only 6000 years nonsense.
Spreading falsehoods and lies that are echo backed is in itself the antithesis of the scientific method.

Of course.  And Bobby Jindal's America:Land I Love textbook is rock-solid science.  So is Todd Akin's views on a woman's reproductive biology.

Not every conservative is an A1 jackass, but fark me if you can prove your point.

Here's a liberal college professor and using farkie logic therefore every liberal college professor  published the same manifesto
.

You seem to have a really hard time understanding sets and subsets. A few logic and math classes should help you with that.

I'll go ahead and give you your first lesson. Everything in a subset exists in a set, but not everything in a set exists in a subset.

You really should have learned that in middle school.


Middle school was taught by libby mc libbersons, so he told them teachers the only letters he needed to know were U, S, and A.
 
2013-06-22 11:53:05 AM  

MyRandomName: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

Your life must be so easy in a made up fantasy world of what your enemies believe.


OK, we'll globally replace 'conservative' with Republican throughout the thread.

There.  Reads much more true-to-life now.
 
2013-06-22 11:55:06 AM  

MyRandomName: I only got 2 Cs in college.  One of them was in a Traditions class that was essentially "social work and why it is good".  The class consisted of doing some type of social work as well as in class tests/essays.  I completed the social work, averaged a 98 on tests, but got a C.  After a year of finding out why, the TA basically admitted that the teacher would mark grades down if he deemed essay/test answers as "not in the spirit of the class."  So while I got a 98 average on actual work, my non-liberal inference got me marked down with a vague grading technique not in the syllabus.  Teacher was let go 2 years later after numerous examples of this.


That's pretty douchy

Maybe it's because I went to school in the Midwest and I was a business major but it seemed to me that more of my professors in college were more conservative than they were liberal.

Except for the social science classes I took, they were liberal.
 
2013-06-22 11:56:16 AM  
I thought the idea was to prevent some kind of centrally place anonymous bureaucrat from playing favorites in our cherished halls of learning. A logical conclusion would be to debate the differing opinions and let the informed student body decide what they want to pay for, in terms of professorship.
 
2013-06-22 11:56:25 AM  

Dougie AXP: TuteTibiImperes: WorldCitizen: I'm sure in business schools and engineering programs most schools have a larger conservative population in the faculty. However, as Republicans are now really into their anti-intellectual phase, do they really expect to be populating the most intellectual of university departments? How may conservatives are going into doctoral studies in sociology and philosophy? With the anti-science streak of modern Republicanism, how many hard core conservatives are going into doctoral studies in life and environmental sciences? I would guess you might find some fiscally conservative types, but I doubt you would find many fundamentalist types there.

And what is your angle here, conservatives? Do you want an affirmative action program set up in universities for an underrepresented population (conservatives) to perhaps get jobs they might not be as qualified for based on their minority status in academia? Do you want a quota system based on political ideology?

Are engineers known for being politically conservative?  My school had pretty big Chem E and Computer/Electrical Engineering programs and most of the guys I knew were more liberal than not.

No. He's casting stereotypes. On what basis, I don't know.

Being an engineer requires critical thinking and the ability to reason and do higher order math. Those three things don't really lend themselves to the conservative mindset these days.


Such denigration you display of conservatives.  Surely you are the example of critical thinking in painting all your political enemies in the light that you do.  Bravo.

Really is fun watching liberals act like idiots in threads like this.  Offering up their unsupported views of their enemies.  Always amusing.

" Democrats have a huge advantage (63 percent) with voters earning less than $15,000 per year. This advantage carries forward for individuals earning up to $50,000 per year, and then turns in the Republicans' favor - with just 36 percent of individuals earning more than $200,000 per year supporting Democrats. "

Wow, so the poor (often less educated) vote for democrats, go figure.  Bribery was always the best strategy for gaining votes.  D'Toqueville even said as much "America will survive until the day Congress discovers it can bribe the American people with their own money."

"There are two distinct levels of education among Democrats: those without a high school diploma and those with post-graduate degrees. Republicans gain a majority of support from high school graduates, individuals with some college experience, and <a data-cke-saved-href="http://www.debt.org/students/">college graduates. "

Shocking, half of democrats don't have a high school education.  I'm sure that fits in to your narrative that all educated people are democrats.  The funny thing is democrats often have graduate degrees; usually people who can't get a decent job off their work ethic/bachelor's degree or in a degree that requires some sore of post-grad like Humanities to get out of the 30k a year range.  Really liberalism is just those who think they deserve more power (after not earning it) bribing the uneducated to give up their power.

But I'm sure you knew all this.

http://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-in-debt/economic-demographics-dem oc rats/
 
2013-06-22 12:03:59 PM  

Son of Thunder: Ilmarinen: Son of Thunder: Just speaking for my own field (social psychology), this study shows that there is in fact a lack of diversity, and that liberals openly admit to discriminating against qualified applicants based on their political ideology.

http://m.pps.sagepub.com/content/7/5/ 496.short

Maybe they just want to have the biggest chance of hiring somebody smart.

Why Liberals and Atheists Are More Intelligent

I found the full article you linked to. Setting aside the post-hoc theoretical masturbation, horrible psychometric weaknesses, ideosyncratic definitions, and small effect sizes in that article, along with its ignoring of contradictory prior research, the fact that the author used an encyclopedia to argue that communism caused atheism, and his finding that more "intelligent" (scare quotes due to the author pretending that a ten-item synonym-finding multiple-choice test is a valid indicator of general intelligence) participants were actually LESS likely to endorse liberal government policies...

you missed the part where they were willing to discriminate against qualified applicants in the original study.


(Your researcher also claimed, BTW, that being intelligent turns you into a vegetarian. Should universities discriminate against carnivores, since that would, by your logic, increase "the chance of hiring somebody smart"?)
 
2013-06-22 12:06:01 PM  
I read the headline and thought, 'Good. They need some diversity.' Then I read the article and saw that the Republican regents are driving this and I LOLed. Have any of these Regents have even set foot on that campus, let alone worked or taken classes there? I have always said that CU Boulder is The Good Ol' Boys Club. The administration is full of old, white conservative men. Please, please please waste $40K of taxpayer money to find out that CU Boulder is nothing like its surrounding community - something you should already know if you had paid even the slightest bit of attention to the school you were elected to oversee.
 
2013-06-22 12:16:07 PM  
You forgot Alinskyites, Subby.
 
2013-06-22 12:16:41 PM  

MyRandomName: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

Your life must be so easy in a made up fantasy world of what your enemies believe.


Too bad it's not a made up fantasy. Modern conservatives quite willingly share their beliefs (man-made climate change denial; reproductive systems shut down during rape; evolution denial, etc) showing us all that they truly are anti-intellectual douchebags.
 
2013-06-22 12:17:14 PM  
I have a feeling there  is a bias among academia, because Republicans don't  want to be teachers. They honestly think that those who can't do, teach (along with a myriad of other beliefs that make then honestly incompetent in both the sciences and liberal arts). So yeah...you did it to yourselves.
 
2013-06-22 12:31:33 PM  

MyRandomName: I only got 2 Cs in college.  One of them was in a Traditions class that was essentially "social work and why it is good".  The class consisted of doing some type of social work as well as in class tests/essays.  I completed the social work, averaged a 98 on tests, but got a C.  After a year of finding out why, the TA basically admitted that the teacher would mark grades down if he deemed essay/test answers as "not in the spirit of the class."  So while I got a 98 average on actual work, my non-liberal inference got me marked down with a vague grading technique not in the syllabus.  Teacher was let go 2 years later after numerous examples of this.


Cool story Bro, Now tell us the one about the job you didn't get because you were white.
 
2013-06-22 12:36:17 PM  

MyRandomName: Dougie AXP: TuteTibiImperes: WorldCitizen: I'm sure in business schools and engineering programs most schools have a larger conservative population in the faculty. However, as Republicans are now really into their anti-intellectual phase, do they really expect to be populating the most intellectual of university departments? How may conservatives are going into doctoral studies in sociology and philosophy? With the anti-science streak of modern Republicanism, how many hard core conservatives are going into doctoral studies in life and environmental sciences? I would guess you might find some fiscally conservative types, but I doubt you would find many fundamentalist types there.

And what is your angle here, conservatives? Do you want an affirmative action program set up in universities for an underrepresented population (conservatives) to perhaps get jobs they might not be as qualified for based on their minority status in academia? Do you want a quota system based on political ideology?

Are engineers known for being politically conservative?  My school had pretty big Chem E and Computer/Electrical Engineering programs and most of the guys I knew were more liberal than not.

No. He's casting stereotypes. On what basis, I don't know.

Being an engineer requires critical thinking and the ability to reason and do higher order math. Those three things don't really lend themselves to the conservative mindset these days.

Such denigration you display of conservatives.  Surely you are the example of critical thinking in painting all your political enemies in the light that you do.  Bravo.

Really is fun watching liberals act like idiots in threads like this.  Offering up their unsupported views of their enemies.  Always amusing.

" Democrats have a huge advantage (63 percent) with voters earning less than $15,000 per year. This advantage carries forward for individuals earning up to $50,000 per year, and then turns in the Republicans' favor - with just 36 percent of indi ...


So how come the dirt poor and undereducated rural areas vote Republican.

And you're really slamming a post-grad degree? That includes things like doctors and MBA's. I'm sure you think both of those are morons right?
 
2013-06-22 12:36:59 PM  
Son of Thunder:
I found the full article you linked to. Setting aside the post-hoc theoretical masturbation, horrible psychometric weaknesses, ideosyncratic definitions, and small effect sizes in that article, along with its ignoring of contradictory prior research, the fact that the author used an encyclopedia to argue that communism caused atheism, and his finding that more "intelligent" (scare quotes due to the author pretending that a ten-item synonym-finding multiple-choice test is a valid indicator of general intelligence)

As opposed to a short survey among members of a mailing list....
 
2013-06-22 12:40:32 PM  

PsiChick: I have a feeling there  is a bias among academia, because Republicans don't  want to be teachers. They honestly think that those who can't do, teach (along with a myriad of other beliefs that make then honestly incompetent in both the sciences and liberal arts). So yeah...you did it to yourselves.


THIS.  It's like complaining that the NBA doesn't have enough short people who hate basketball in it.
 
2013-06-22 12:50:49 PM  

Ilmarinen: Son of Thunder:
I found the full article you linked to. Setting aside the post-hoc theoretical masturbation, horrible psychometric weaknesses, ideosyncratic definitions, and small effect sizes in that article, along with its ignoring of contradictory prior research, the fact that the author used an encyclopedia to argue that communism caused atheism, and his finding that more "intelligent" (scare quotes due to the author pretending that a ten-item synonym-finding multiple-choice test is a valid indicator of general intelligence)

As opposed to a short survey among members of a mailing list....


Psychometric apple, meet psychometric orange.
 
2013-06-22 01:04:22 PM  
Somacandra: ...The fact that the Regents probably won't be doing such an accurate survey suggests they already know what they want to find...

Yeah, but on the other hand, how many times do universities' administrative and governing bodies  really commission ethically- and intellectually-honest surveys? It's been my experience almost universally, that "we're commissioning a study to explore (X)" means "we've already decided to do (X), we're just looking for excuses to do it".

The most egregious example of which I can think was my former university's decision to ban smoking on campus. The university administered what amounted to an open access push poll devoid of any real methodology, and even then got results that showed just about half the student body just didn't care, and the other half were evenly split between opposition to, or support for, a smoking ban.

I just want to point out, half the responses they got,  in an open access poll, were "no opinion". How the shiat they pulled that off, I have  no idea.

The university's administration claimed the poll was a clear mandate from the student body in support of a smoking ban, because -- get this -- more students strongly supported the ban than strongly opposed it (in other words, of the students who opposed the ban, more weakly than strongly so). That's right, it was a mandate because the quarter of the student body that supported the ban, really supported it!
 
2013-06-22 01:11:38 PM  

Zeno-25: TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.

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I was going to chastise you for using deceptively scaled charts, then I realized the IQ doesn't have anything resembling an upper or lower bound.
 
2013-06-22 01:14:43 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Lionel Mandrake: Maybe if "conservatives" stopped being anti-intellectual douchebags who mock science and denigrate education, things would be different.  But, it's way easier to whine.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.  I'm sure conservatives are over represented in certain programs, and there are schools with a strong conservative bias, but the majority of academia does seem to lean left.  Perhaps the question shouldn't be 'why aren't you hiring more conservatives' but rather 'why aren't there more conservatives who pursue a career path in the academic fields'.


Funny; when people say these things about people you sympathize with, you loudly claim that it's not even possible. But now that those people find themselves in exactly the same situation, you suddenly find a shred of plausibility in the idea.
 
2013-06-22 01:15:04 PM  

that bosnian sniper: I just want to point out, half the responses they got,  in an open access poll, were "no opinion". How the shiat they pulled that off, I have  no idea.


Other shenanigans aside, and there are rare exceptions to this generalization, but "no opinion" is farking retarded. If you believe the behavior hurts you, then the next step is to determine if it hurts enough to justify a ban.  Anything that doesn't justify a ban should result in, wait for it, being AGAINST A farkING BAN.  At the point where you don't care one way or another whether people smoke you should be at the step where you think "gee, should we restrict people's freedoms without good reason?" and the answer should always be "NO"
 
2013-06-22 01:20:29 PM  
"Higher education and rational thought causes our kids to abandon our paleoconservative ideals, so we're going to demand that colleges continue our plan of indoctrination for us."

Pffffffffffft.
 
2013-06-22 01:23:13 PM  
Turns out that well-educated people with high IQs tend to reject the dumb arguments made by wingnuts.  Who would have guessed?
 
2013-06-22 01:38:32 PM  
Universities aren't a place for the willfully and aggressively ignorant.
 
2013-06-22 02:39:47 PM  
I thought Republicans were against affirmative action.
 
2013-06-22 02:41:12 PM  
Well, given that a lot of right wingers seem to value making money above all else/seem to think that being poor is a moral failing:

OF COURSE you are not going to get many conservative PhD students. Being a grad student is akin to being an indentured servant. People who make just above minimum wage probably make more money per hour than I do. (Contract: "Oh, you only need to do 20 hours of research a week" Reality if I want to get out of here in any reasonable amount of time: "HAHA! That's adorable. Try 50. Or 60.")

I sometimes wish I'd decided to bolt when I got my masters, get a law degree, and be a patent lawyer with a masters in Physics. (This is still my ultimate backup plan should I have issues getting a job once I get my PhD.)
 
2013-06-22 02:52:53 PM  

Felgraf: (Contract: "Oh, you only need to do 20 hours of research a week" Reality if I want to get out of here in any reasonable amount of time: "HAHA! That's adorable. Try 50. Or 60.")


Yeah that whole "we only have to pay you for the first 20 hours per week" thing should be criminal.  I remember when a certain grant-funding agency started going on the warpath against universities that allowed 100% academic staff to spend up to 5% of their time mentoring students or sitting on committees - they considered it to be theft of their money which was allocated only for research.  Where's the outrage for the "theft" of every hour of work I was doing as a grad student beyond hour-20 each week?  It's not like the "tuition waiver" you get for being a research assistant means the university doesn't get your tuition dollars, it just comes out of the grant you are funded on.  You get zero compensation for that time.
 
2013-06-22 04:01:18 PM  

bronyaur1: Turns out that well-educated people with high IQs tend to reject the dumb arguments made by wingnuts.  Who would have guessed?


You know what "they" say:

It isn't what you know
but who you know
 
2013-06-22 04:31:24 PM  

themindiswatching: Yawn. This is the same kind of shiat the local College Republicans always complained about when I was in college.

/that and the bake sales


The only difference is that it's the Regents complaining in this case.  The problem is that, in Colorado, the Regents are mostly conservative, while CU Boulder is regarded by their constituents as being 100% hippie, so they basically get elected on a platform of biatching about the flagship and creating annoying mandates.  They have no incentive to help the University.

Meanwhile, state funding only makes up 4% of the total University budget.

It's the ultimate conservative wet dream of lots of power to fark with something they dislike without paying for the privilege.  If only the same system could be applied to those lazy poor people.
 
2013-06-22 04:53:10 PM  
Whatever happened to that crazy indian that use to teach there?
 
2013-06-22 05:28:23 PM  

cchris_39: Whatever happened to that crazy indian that use to teach there?


Fired.  He challenged it in court and lost.
 
2013-06-22 05:32:35 PM  

Somacandra: It should be too obvious to point out, but then again, I'm a faculty member so I'll do it anyway: The personal politics of professors are not what should be surveyed. The question, if any, lies in how courses are being taught. What they need to do is survey the course syllabus with some targeted class observation. Its the same in journalism--what views journalists have don't matter--the importance lies in how news stories are written, edited and chosen in the first place. That's a much more difficult task to survey but ultimately its the only way to find out what you want to know. The fact that the Regents probably won't be doing such an accurate survey suggests they already know what they want to find. Prove me wrong, Regents. Prove me wrong.


This bears repeating.

The professor who taught my history of political theory class in undergrad was legendary at the school for being morally and philosophically opposed to revolutions based on his interpretation of Romans 13 (let every soul be subject to the governing authority). The rest of the history faculty would even crack jokes about it. Yet, when we got to Marxism and then to liberation theology in political theory, he went out of his way to make sure that he was giving us the best versions of those philosophies. We all knew that he didn't believe in any revolutionary political philosophies, but when he taught those to us, if you'd been in the room without knowing context you'd think he believed in violently overthrowing the bourgeois oppressors.
 
2013-06-22 05:39:04 PM  
Well, UC Boulder  did employ Ward Churchill for years. Any other times I've come across the work of philosophy professors there, it's always pretty (extremely) left-leaning. Wouldn't surprise me if they do find significant bias.
 
2013-06-22 05:45:45 PM  
BarkingUnicorn:
What website are you talking about?

Same one in the article. I just went to its mainpage.
 
2013-06-22 06:09:24 PM  

JonZ1618: Well, UC Boulder  did employ Ward Churchill for years. Any other times I've come across the work of philosophy professors there, it's always pretty (extremely) left-leaning. Wouldn't surprise me if they do find significant bias.


Yes, any left leaning thought should be hounded out of existence and our educational institutions purified.
 
2013-06-22 06:23:26 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: JonZ1618: Well, UC Boulder  did employ Ward Churchill for years. Any other times I've come across the work of philosophy professors there, it's always pretty (extremely) left-leaning. Wouldn't surprise me if they do find significant bias.

Yes, any left leaning thought should be hounded out of existence and our educational institutions purified.


I bet he's still trying to figure out why philosophy, a field of academia decried by conservatives as serving absolutely no purpose, isn't brimming with conservative members.
 
2013-06-22 06:30:41 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: cchris_39: Whatever happened to that crazy indian that use to teach there?

Fired.  He challenged it in court and lost.


If I remember right, on a second appeal, he won, but the judge found him so despicable he award Churchill $1.00.
 
2013-06-22 06:31:35 PM  
+ed. He awarded.
 
2013-06-23 01:58:57 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: PsiChick: I have a feeling there  is a bias among academia, because Republicans don't  want to be teachers. They honestly think that those who can't do, teach (along with a myriad of other beliefs that make then honestly incompetent in both the sciences and liberal arts). So yeah...you did it to yourselves.

THIS.  It's like complaining that the NBA doesn't have enough short people who hate basketball in it.


THIS2. Also nice analogy, LDA! I totes LOL'd.
 
2013-06-23 02:43:14 AM  

Smackledorfer: My econ professor was a conservative.

I don't see him supporting the modern republican party. He taught us trickle down was a farking joke.

/didn't like high deficit spending either fwiw.


I'm convinced all of the Traditional VAL-YEWS, Bibley stuff is just a gimmick utilized by the Republicans to get in good with the average Midwestern Churchy voter. (This is so they can hide the fact that they haven't really been for small spending , unobtrusive government for a long time.)
 
2013-06-23 07:18:12 AM  
Because people should be hired based on political ideology than on ability? So basically conservatives are saying they need some sort of "affirmative action" to get jobs in academia?
 
2013-06-23 07:25:42 AM  

heavymetal: Because people should be hired based on political ideology than on ability? So basically conservatives are saying they need some sort of "affirmative action" to get jobs in academia?


Yeah, but their version of affirmative action.  The highly impractical and unbalanced dramatized version that lets street urchins and threats to the gene pool steal jobs from the entitled pristine.
 
2013-06-23 07:26:57 AM  
The Republicans have already almost gotten obesity to minority status, now they want stupidity to be protected too.
 
2013-06-23 10:08:51 AM  

TacitusProximus: Skirl Hutsenreiter: cchris_39: Whatever happened to that crazy indian that use to teach there?

Fired.  He challenged it in court and lost.

If I remember right, on a second appeal, he won, but the judge found him so despicable he award Churchill $1.00.


Well, IIRC, his only argument was that they never would have found his gross academic misconduct if they hasn't gone looking for a reason to fire him after the "little Eichmanns" business.

Not an endearing stance.
 
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