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(CNN)   Monogamy is unnatural -- which is why God gave us two hands   (cnn.com) divider line 173
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2013-06-21 03:37:11 PM  
Anyone interested in this should check out  the book Sex at Dawn.
 
2013-06-21 03:37:26 PM  
Somebody's marriage didn't work out; so monogamy is unnatural.


/ ta-da!
 
2013-06-21 03:37:28 PM  
The author sounds like a sexually frustrated wannabe slut who can't pull it off.  Face it broad, all you need to do is let every swinging dick bone you and voila! you're a slut.
 
2013-06-21 03:37:57 PM  
Damn. I just finished that bag of popcorn. . . .
 
2013-06-21 03:38:23 PM  

iheartscotch: Somebody's marriage didn't work out; so monogamy is unnatural.


/ ta-da!


This.
 
2013-06-21 03:38:28 PM  
Why is it when humans do something animals don't do it's considered "unnatural"?
Are we not part of nature?
 
2013-06-21 03:39:41 PM  
STDs are also natural.
The dozens of strains of herpes are also natural.
 
2013-06-21 03:40:06 PM  
I have a restraining order against my right hand.  Oh well.
 
2013-06-21 03:40:29 PM  
My ears are ringing
 
2013-06-21 03:40:39 PM  

iheartscotch: Somebody's marriage didn't work out; so monogamy is unnatural.


/ ta-da!


Yep, sounds like a rationalization.

It's amazing what people can make themselves believe.
 
2013-06-21 03:40:56 PM  

ChaosStar: Why is it when humans do something animals don't do it's considered "unnatural"?
Are we not part of nature?


Why bother using the word "nature" at all if you're going to use a definition that allows for no non-natural things?
 
2013-06-21 03:41:40 PM  

Diogenes: I have a restraining order against my right hand.  Oh well.


At least your left isnt having an affair behind your back.
 
2013-06-21 03:41:51 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: My ears are ringing


My balls are tingling.
 
2013-06-21 03:42:52 PM  
Since we are comparing humans to animals, when can i expect to read the article "Flinging poo is natural"
 
2013-06-21 03:43:15 PM  
And yet monogamy has been a norm in various human cultures for at least 20,000 years.
 
2013-06-21 03:43:18 PM  
one is enough ... thanks.
 
2013-06-21 03:43:28 PM  

ikanreed: ChaosStar: Why is it when humans do something animals don't do it's considered "unnatural"?
Are we not part of nature?

Why bother using the word "nature" at all if you're going to use a definition that allows for no non-natural things?


If you believe in the supernatural (admittedly I don't) then that definition does allow for non-natural things.

/Nice to know my potato chips don't use ghost-derived ingredients, thanks Frito-Lay
 
2013-06-21 03:44:12 PM  

ikanreed: ChaosStar: Why is it when humans do something animals don't do it's considered "unnatural"?
Are we not part of nature?

Why bother using the word "nature" at all if you're going to use a definition that allows for no non-natural things?


How does it allow for no non-natural things?
Lab created chemicals, additives, and materials would all be non-natural.
 
2013-06-21 03:44:34 PM  
Biologically, we humans are animals. So it makes sense to look to the animal kingdom for clues as to what we are built for.

Chemically, we humans are mostly oxygen and carbon. So it makes sense to look at party balloons and coal for clues as to what we are built for.
 
2013-06-21 03:44:40 PM  
Infanticide, violent attack and murder of a potential mate, and the elimination of competition through killing are also natural parts of the animal kingdom.
 
2013-06-21 03:44:47 PM  

DORMAMU: Diogenes: I have a restraining order against my right hand.  Oh well.

At least your left isnt having an affair behind your back.


My right hand had sex with someone else just today, so I'm getting a kick...
 
2013-06-21 03:45:32 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: ikanreed: ChaosStar: Why is it when humans do something animals don't do it's considered "unnatural"?
Are we not part of nature?

Why bother using the word "nature" at all if you're going to use a definition that allows for no non-natural things?

If you believe in the supernatural (admittedly I don't) then that definition does allow for non-natural things.

/Nice to know my potato chips don't use ghost-derived ingredients, thanks Frito-Lay


Pretty much everyone who believes in supernatural bullshiat believes human decisions are affected by supernatural bullshiat, so humans aren't strictly natural either.
 
2013-06-21 03:45:40 PM  
Mahogany is natural and it is a very hard wood.


Ha ha I said hard-wood.
 
2013-06-21 03:45:46 PM  
Even if humanity were the only species to practice lifelong monogamy, would it be unnatural?

The thing is, what penguins or any other species does is irrelevant. Sure, it can shed some insight on how other species handle pair bonding, but those species don't have the peculiarities humanity does- even in those that have a long adolescence, they don't have the need for resources that humanity does. They don't have our own psyches. We're different, just like everybody else.

I can believe that lifelong monogamy isn't the default state for most of nature, even for humanity. Heck, many people may be flat incapable of it. But so what? Just because others have been unable or unwilling to do it doesn't detract from those who have pulled it off or from those trying to do so.

So really, I just find myself asking "so what?" Our culture is one that has adapted and accepted relationships not based on lifelong monogamy. If you don't want to go for that, well, don't. If you do, more power to you and good luck.
 
2013-06-21 03:45:48 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: And yet pretending to be monogamous while sexing everyone in the room  monogamy has been a norm in various human cultures for at least 20,000 years.


Fixed that for you
 
2013-06-21 03:46:15 PM  
Article can be summarized with the following quote:
"once a cheater, always a cheater," might have as much to do with brain wiring as with a person's moral compass, upbringing or culture.
 
2013-06-21 03:46:45 PM  

ChaosStar: ikanreed: ChaosStar: Why is it when humans do something animals don't do it's considered "unnatural"?
Are we not part of nature?

Why bother using the word "nature" at all if you're going to use a definition that allows for no non-natural things?

How does it allow for no non-natural things?
Lab created chemicals, additives, and materials would all be non-natural.


So human created things, like, say, our cultural institutions, including but not limited to marriage, are unnatural?
 
2013-06-21 03:46:53 PM  

iheartscotch: Somebody's marriage didn't work out; so monogamy is unnatural.
/ ta-da!


Don't knock polyamory until you have tried it.

You can have a great marriage and more than one sex partner easily if you put aside silly social expectations and think for yourself.
 
2013-06-21 03:46:56 PM  

socodog: Infanticide, violent attack and murder of a potential mate, and the elimination of competition through killing are also natural parts of the animal kingdom.


ducks and dolphins rape
 
2013-06-21 03:47:52 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: And yet monogamy has been a norm in various human cultures for at least 20,000 years.


No. no it has not. Not even close.
 
2013-06-21 03:48:41 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: And yet monogamy has been a norm in various human cultures for at least 20,000 years.


No it isn't.  Women being the property of powerful men who have multiple wives has been the norm in various human cultures for most of those years.
 
2013-06-21 03:49:13 PM  

akula: Even if humanity were the only species to practice lifelong monogamy, would it be unnatural?

The thing is, what penguins or any other species does is irrelevant. Sure, it can shed some insight on how other species handle pair bonding, but those species don't have the peculiarities humanity does- even in those that have a long adolescence, they don't have the need for resources that humanity does. They don't have our own psyches. We're different, just like everybody else.


That. I mean, look at their examples. Sure, most aren't monogamous. But then look at the bee example compared to the others: monkeys, lovebirds, penguins, etc don't have a queen and a colony of males; ergo, bees are unnatural?
 
2013-06-21 03:49:16 PM  
Also, maybe monogamy isn't "natural"? So what? It's a social construct. Are any social constructs natural? Money? Government? Time, other than a day and a year?
 
2013-06-21 03:49:36 PM  
There's "monogamy" and then there's monogamy.

"Monogamy" is being in a long-term sexual relationship or marriage with one person that is percieved as exclusive, while engaging in less-fulfilling and often breif or infrequent sexual or emotional relationships with other partners, and keeping it a secret. This is what most people engage in.

Then there's monogamy, which is being in an exclusive sexual and emotional relationship, which is rare.

In my experience, there's really no such thing as real monogamy in any meaningful sense. If people are in a relationship long enough, both parties will usually cheat. The successful couples keep it hidden from each other as best as possible.
 
2013-06-21 03:49:46 PM  

ikanreed: ChaosStar: ikanreed: ChaosStar: Why is it when humans do something animals don't do it's considered "unnatural"?
Are we not part of nature?

Why bother using the word "nature" at all if you're going to use a definition that allows for no non-natural things?

How does it allow for no non-natural things?
Lab created chemicals, additives, and materials would all be non-natural.

So human created things, like, say, our cultural institutions, including but not limited to marriage, are unnatural?


I said lab created, not human created.
You could argue that since monogamy does exist in animals, no matter how slight, that it's perfectly natural. Marriage being a byproduct of monogamy would also be perfect natural.
 
2013-06-21 03:49:48 PM  

SpectroBoy: iheartscotch: Somebody's marriage didn't work out; so monogamy is unnatural.
/ ta-da!

Don't knock polyamory until you have tried it.

You can have a great marriage and more than one sex partner easily if you put aside silly social expectations and think for yourself.


My wife used to manage a swingers club in New Orleans.  We never did try it but we talked about it a few times.  I think most of us are socially repressed.  You should be able to admit to your partner that you find lots of other people attractive and wouldn't mind putting your 'p' in their 'v'
 
2013-06-21 03:50:11 PM  

SpectroBoy: iheartscotch: Somebody's marriage didn't work out; so monogamy is unnatural.
/ ta-da!

Don't knock polyamory until you have tried it.

You can have a great marriage and more than one sex partner easily if you put aside silly social expectations and think for yourself.


You're not fooling anyone. Your wife is probably from Canada, we wouldn't know her.

/ I keed, I keed
 
2013-06-21 03:50:21 PM  

mr0x: iheartscotch: Somebody's marriage didn't work out; so monogamy is unnatural.


/ ta-da!

Yep, sounds like a rationalization.

It's amazing what people can make themselves believe.


Like creationists?
 
2013-06-21 03:51:35 PM  

ChaosStar: Why is it when humans do something animals don't do it's considered "unnatural"?
Are we not part of nature?



We like to pretend we're not-- which is the cause of all sorts of problems.
 
2013-06-21 03:51:36 PM  

Pontious Pilates: Also, maybe monogamy isn't "natural"? So what? It's a social construct. Are any social constructs natural? Money? Government? Time, other than a day and a year?


Is society itself natural? If it is, then aren't all the constructs thereof as well?
If it's not, what is it? Clearly society cannot be a social construct.
 
2013-06-21 03:51:40 PM  
it's why we invented jobs like traveling salesman, international business man, and rockstar.
 
2013-06-21 03:51:46 PM  
TFA: Many are quick to label a person who strays from his or her marriage or relationship as a "cheater," but it's really not that simple.

Yeah, no. It really is.
 
2013-06-21 03:51:47 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: socodog: Infanticide, violent attack and murder of a potential mate, and the elimination of competition through killing are also natural parts of the animal kingdom.

ducks and dolphins rape


I know ducks duck and goose.
 
2013-06-21 03:52:34 PM  

Evil Mackerel: mr0x: iheartscotch: Somebody's marriage didn't work out; so monogamy is unnatural.


/ ta-da!

Yep, sounds like a rationalization.

It's amazing what people can make themselves believe.

Like creationists?


We're talking about sexing, stop driving the conversation to wedon'tgiveafarkville
 
2013-06-21 03:53:07 PM  

akula: Even if humanity were the only species to practice lifelong monogamy, would it be unnatural?


One thing arguments about "naturalness" in terms of human behavior ignore is the fact that we are so much more advanced in terms of our social natures and interactions. Our being able to be social and communicate ideas is what has brought about architecture, science, math, government, etc. But it also means we have things like jealousy and fighting for resources and knowing when to bow down to "the greater good". Sure, its in my natural sex drive to fark every attractive man who comes my way but it is also my natural need for stability, love, respect for my partner, and social connection to not do so.
 
2013-06-21 03:53:36 PM  

ProfessorOhki: Pontious Pilates: Also, maybe monogamy isn't "natural"? So what? It's a social construct. Are any social constructs natural? Money? Government? Time, other than a day and a year?

Is society itself natural? If it is, then aren't all the constructs thereof as well?
If it's not, what is it? Clearly society cannot be a social construct.


Philosophy 101 called, they also want you to jump off a bridge
 
2013-06-21 03:54:26 PM  
2 hands for hooter honkin'?
 
2013-06-21 03:54:58 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: There's "monogamy" and then there's monogamy.

"Monogamy" is being in a long-term sexual relationship or marriage with one person that is percieved as exclusive, while engaging in less-fulfilling and often breif or infrequent sexual or emotional relationships with other partners, and keeping it a secret. This is what most people engage in.

Then there's monogamy, which is being in an exclusive sexual and emotional relationship, which is rare.

In my experience, there's really no such thing as real monogamy in any meaningful sense. If people are in a relationship long enough, both parties will usually cheat. The successful couples keep it hidden from each other as best as possible.


WTF kind of friends do you have? Everyone I know is in #2 or they are divorced.

I mean, people flirt outside of marriage and that is normal (if that's what you mean by infrequent sexual or emotional relationship with other partners) .
 
2013-06-21 03:57:44 PM  

Lollipop165: Sure, its in my natural sex drive to fark every attractive man who comes my way but it is also my natural need for stability, love, respect for my partner, and social connection to not do so.


"Sex at Dawn"'s thesis was that as group-living hunter-gatherers, better social cohesion was achieved by everybody (in the tribe) doing everybody else. If you live in a group, paternity certainty isn't the kind of big deal it would be in an agricultural society with private property.
 
2013-06-21 03:58:23 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: socodog: Infanticide, violent attack and murder of a potential mate, and the elimination of competition through killing are also natural parts of the animal kingdom.

ducks and dolphins rape


Indeed.

Ducks have evolved several adaptations to prevent rape babies.

With helpful video: totally not safe for work, copy/pasta

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k01DIVDJlY&sns=em
 
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