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2013-06-21 01:31:48 PM  
Why the fark would I want a backup camera?
 
2013-06-21 01:41:51 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Why the fark would I want a backup camera?


Having one in my Toyota for 2 years now, it is really missed when I rent a car while away on business that doesn't have the camera.
 
2013-06-21 01:42:50 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Why the fark would I want a backup camera?


Why do you hate children?
 
2013-06-21 01:43:22 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Why the fark would I want a backup camera?


For the same reason you want radar guided cruise control, lane departure warnings, proximity detectors, and self-applying brakes: because you're a farking retard who shouldn't be behind the wheel.

My daughter is 5. In 11 years her first car will be a manual, early to mid-2000's Golf TDi. She'll get good fuel mileage, not be able to hoon, have cheap insurance, learn to drive a stick, check her bind-spots, pay attention to the car(s) in front of her, generally be aware of the world outside her car. She'll be a better driver, and person, because of it.

/By the way, subby: NIce!
 
2013-06-21 01:48:01 PM  
So Bush signs a law to help protect people.  And the Obama administration delays, delays and delays it's implementation.  Nice.

/sorry, feeling trolly
 
2013-06-21 01:49:00 PM  

netizencain: So Bush signs a law to help protect people.  And the Obama administration delays, delays and delays it's implementation.  Nice.

/sorry, feeling trolly


And you're the guy biatching all morning about the political topics.
 
2013-06-21 02:23:10 PM  
So they mandate that the cameras are installed in all new cars the expense passed to you, the consumer...for the sake of the

dj_bigbird: children


And when one fails, will they mandate that it be fixed for free?
 
2013-06-21 02:36:09 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Voiceofreason01: Why the fark would I want a backup camera?

For the same reason you want radar guided cruise control, lane departure warnings, proximity detectors, and self-applying brakes: because you're a farking retard who shouldn't be behind the wheel.

My daughter is 5. In 11 years her first car will be a manual, early to mid-2000's Golf TDi. She'll get good fuel mileage, not be able to hoon, have cheap insurance, learn to drive a stick, check her bind-spots, pay attention to the car(s) in front of her, generally be aware of the world outside her car. She'll be a better driver, and person, because of it.

/By the way, subby: NIce!


I learned how to drive on a stick, one of my cars is a stick right now, I'm a great parallel parker, and I've never been in an accident in my life. By any metric, I'm a very good driver.

That said, I'd never want to own another vehicle without a backup camera. They f*cking rule.
 
2013-06-21 02:39:19 PM  

sigdiamond2000: That said, I'd never want to own another vehicle without a backup camera. They f*cking rule.


Drove my Brother's car with one. Next year I get a new car and this is on my must have list.
 
2013-06-21 02:42:33 PM  

Red Shirt Blues: sigdiamond2000: That said, I'd never want to own another vehicle without a backup camera. They f*cking rule.

Drove my Brother's car with one. Next year I get a new car and this is on my must have list.


Why wouldn't anyone want one?

It's like people who refuse to use GPS.

What is the f*cking point? What are you trying to prove? That you'll be able to navigate the empty dystopian landscape once the bombs fall and the satellites crash to earth?
 
2013-06-21 03:05:25 PM  
Backup cameras are cheap, easy, and don't keep the car from getting you where you want to be if they break.

Between the one on my car and the one on the 16' truck I drive, I've gotten really spoiled. And yes, I am very good at using my mirrors. So much so that I think the whole 'turn around in the seat and look out the back window' technique for backing up is really stupid.

It's just a nice addition to the mirrors, and being able to see where the back bumper is can be damn nice.
 
2013-06-21 04:07:06 PM  
It's just a nice addition to the mirrors, and being able to see where the back bumper is can be damn nice.

#BostonBump videos trending
 
2013-06-21 04:22:07 PM  
THANKS OB..ush?
 
2013-06-21 04:31:26 PM  
The back window visibility just isn't good out of my back windows. It was one of the things consumer reports said, and I probably should have got the option with a backup camera. But screw consumer reports.
 
2013-06-21 04:32:04 PM  
Yet more dumbing down of society. If you need a camera, you shouldn't drive.
 
2013-06-21 04:32:06 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Why the fark would I want a backup camera?


So you can aim better and actually HIT the kids.

/As my father used to tell us, "Kids, go play in the street now."
 
2013-06-21 04:32:24 PM  
If I lived in the city, they'd be awesome for parallel parking. But I don't. I don't want yet another useless piece of technology that will raise the price of cars and will likely break down the line.

You can't even buy a Wrangler these days without a whole mess of electronic crap to break :/

Charles.
 
2013-06-21 04:33:23 PM  
Gecko Gingrich:

/By the way, subby: NIce!

Seconded.
 
2013-06-21 04:33:42 PM  

Kyosuke: Backup cameras are cheap, easy, and don't keep the car from getting you where you want to be if they break.

Between the one on my car and the one on the 16' truck I drive, I've gotten really spoiled. And yes, I am very good at using my mirrors. So much so that I think the whole 'turn around in the seat and look out the back window' technique for backing up is really stupid.

It's just a nice addition to the mirrors, and being able to see where the back bumper is can be damn nice.


The camera is cheap, the in-dash screen and associated crap, plus the loss of dash real estate is not.

They should just impose a $1000 "because we farking said so" tax on the "car companies" who will secretly pass it on to the customer.
 
2013-06-21 04:34:04 PM  
seriously car maker are complaining about the cost?  what farking cost?  $50 per farking car?

shiat.

assholes.
 
2013-06-21 04:34:27 PM  
In my daily driver, a backup cam would be stupid. The Miata doesn't even have a screen (other than the radio lcd) in the dash. I wouldn't want it to. And with the top down, I can see exactly where the rear bumper is. Top up I still know where it is, but the view is... a touch obscured. That said, in trucks and many sedans, a backup cam is a terrific idea. If only so the idiots aren't scratching my pretty bumpers with their oversized rides.
 
2013-06-21 04:34:55 PM  
I have one on my 2013 Malibu and it's about 99% worthless. The only time I use it is when I pull through a parking spot and then back up slightly.
 
2013-06-21 04:36:04 PM  
A device that makes that piercing "beep, beep, beep" sound when you back up seems more useful.
 
2013-06-21 04:36:14 PM  
It's not a grand option. You can build a touch screen cellphone with cam and sell it for 100 bucks, it's about the same thing with a few feet of wire.
 
2013-06-21 04:36:19 PM  
It would be nice if you could leave it on while traveling forward. I would love to be able to see the expression on the faces of the farking jagoffs I cut off who are backing up traffic for miles by driving in the passing lane and refusing to GTFO of the way.
 
2013-06-21 04:37:01 PM  

dj_bigbird: Voiceofreason01: Why the fark would I want a backup camera?

Why do you hate children?


A) it's easier
B) it's cheaper
C) my lawn is fanfarkingtastic
 
2013-06-21 04:37:08 PM  
Who cares about the article - the headline kicks ass.
 
2013-06-21 04:37:27 PM  

mama2tnt: Gecko Gingrich:

/By the way, subby: NIce!

Seconded.


Thirded. That is a witty headline. It's good for a Headline of the Week, at least.
 
2013-06-21 04:38:30 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: have cheap insurance


Yeah, insurance companies are big on not having the safety features that have been standard on other cars for a quarter century. They find it really saves them a lot of money when they rely exclusively on humans to control the vehicle, rather than on the combination of humans and computers.

If you can't teach your daughter to safely drive a modern vehicle she'll be even less safe in a (by then) ancient one. Additional safety systems don't prevent good driving any more than wet floor signs prevent good walking -- they're both tools to *assist* humans, who we know from centuries of experience are terrible at consistently managing their own safety.
 
2013-06-21 04:38:31 PM  
So, who in congress is heavily invested in companies that make screens for car dashboards?

Backup camera is handy, but you still have to turn around and look for people who are about to walk behind you.

And the screens will just make for another distraction.
 
2013-06-21 04:38:58 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: A device that makes that piercing "beep, beep, beep" sound when you back up seems more useful.


Yep.  That'll get the toddler to look your way before being hit by the bumper.  Perfect.
 
2013-06-21 04:39:11 PM  

Kyosuke: Backup cameras are cheap, easy, and don't keep the car from getting you where you want to be if they break.


Any one individual "feature" is cheap.  When you make them mandatory, you start pricing people out of the low end of new cars.

It also increases the complexity of a car without actually providing a significant safety benefit.   According to this advocacy website, just about 100 kids a year are killed because they are backed over by a vehicle.

In a nation of 316 million people and 254 million registered motor vehicles, that's a very rare tragedy indeed.
 
2013-06-21 04:39:55 PM  
I want "enter the road" cameras on my front bumper that looks left and right down the road so I can see without having to push my front end into traffic.
 
2013-06-21 04:40:20 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Why the fark would I want a backup camera?


This. Once in my entire 33 years of driving have I had a need for one and that's when my son left his bike lying down behind my car in the driveway. He only made that mistake once.

These things may be more useful if you live in the city and do a lot of parallel parking but for the average person they're kinda useless. Just one more thing to need fixing when it farks up.
 
2013-06-21 04:40:43 PM  

dj_bigbird: Voiceofreason01: Why the fark would I want a backup camera?

Why do you hate children?


Because they are sticky dirty disrespectful little rude loud people that don't pay rent and break shiat.
 
2013-06-21 04:42:09 PM  
What a complete waste.  Just wait for the "journalists" and some stupid government research group to whine about the high cost cheap cars for the poor.

I used to parallel park a full-sized van in downtown Milwaukee with no problem.  Anyone who can't is a pussy who shouldn't be on the road.
 
2013-06-21 04:43:53 PM  

MemeSlave: Kyosuke: Backup cameras are cheap, easy, and don't keep the car from getting you where you want to be if they break.

Between the one on my car and the one on the 16' truck I drive, I've gotten really spoiled. And yes, I am very good at using my mirrors. So much so that I think the whole 'turn around in the seat and look out the back window' technique for backing up is really stupid.

It's just a nice addition to the mirrors, and being able to see where the back bumper is can be damn nice.

The camera is cheap, the in-dash screen and associated crap, plus the loss of dash real estate is not.

They should just impose a $1000 "because we farking said so" tax on the "car companies" who will secretly pass it on to the customer.


LCD screens are cheap, cameras are cheap, the cost of running the wire between the screen and the camera is negligible when the car is being built, and there are solutions for putting the screen in the rear view mirror if there is no dash space available, like this:

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The total cost per automobile would easily be less than $100 worth of parts, which could easily be passed on to the consumer, no one notices a $100 price bump on a car.

The real reason automakers are dragging their feet is that right now they can charge $750+ for that backup camera (and whatever other cheap parts that come in the package).  When it becomes mandated, they can't.  It's why automakers drug their feet so long on Bluetooth, CD players, and USB ports - adding them was cheap long before they become standard features in virtually every vehicle - they just liked being able to charge a lot for the features as options.
 
2013-06-21 04:44:05 PM  
I have an aftermarket Peak wireless backup camera, and it is awesome. I'm about to re-wire the transmitter in order to convert it to a permanent electronic rear-view mirror.
 
2013-06-21 04:45:07 PM  

mrlewish: I want "enter the road" cameras on my front bumper that looks left and right down the road so I can see without having to push my front end into traffic.


If you want to splurge on an upper-end BMW, you could have this today. Or, DIY with a couple of cheap cams in the wheel wells and a small monitor on the dash.
 
2013-06-21 04:45:45 PM  
I had the camera on my 2011 Fusion and when I went to the 2013 Kia Soul I got the same thing.  I don't need the camera to make up for my lack of parallel parking prowess or inability to check my mirrors.  I want the camera so when I have to pull out of a parking spot next to a large SUV or minivan I can see vehicles, carts, strollers, animals or small children coming long before they get into view of any mirrors.
 
2013-06-21 04:46:19 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: My daughter is 5. In 11 years her first car will be a manual, early to mid-2000's Golf TDi. She'll get good fuel mileage, not be able to hoon, have cheap insurance, learn to drive a stick, check her bind-spots, pay attention to the car(s) in front of her, generally be aware of the world outside her car. She'll be a better driver, and person, because of it.


You'd better hope that by then, smartphones are self-aware enough to not function in a moving vehicle when said phone's owner is driving the car.
 
2013-06-21 04:46:49 PM  

dittybopper: Kyosuke: Backup cameras are cheap, easy, and don't keep the car from getting you where you want to be if they break.

Any one individual "feature" is cheap.  When you make them mandatory, you start pricing people out of the low end of new cars.

It also increases the complexity of a car without actually providing a significant safety benefit.   According to this advocacy website, just about 100 kids a year are killed because they are backed over by a vehicle.

In a nation of 316 million people and 254 million registered motor vehicles, that's a very rare tragedy indeed.


The low end is what used vehicles are for.  Show me a new car for $13,000 and I'll show you a late model used vehicle still under warranty that offers a lot more for the money.

They're great for more than just avoiding hitting kids.  They make backing into parking spots 10x easier, executing 3 points turns much faster, and likely save a ton of money in terms of fender benders avoided.
 
2013-06-21 04:47:20 PM  

fickenchucker: Just wait for the "journalists" and some stupid government research group to whine about the high cost cheap cars for the poor.


All vehicles in the USA must meet the strict compliance standards as put forth by the enhancement requests of fat ass soccer moms, in mom jeans who live in paved mazes in little pink houses which are the only little pink things in their lives, outside of their sperm donor's useless dangle toy. These concerned gunt farmers know what is best for you no matter what the cost. Think of the crotch droppings.
 
2013-06-21 04:49:12 PM  
One more thing that will cost $600 to fix when it breaks.
 
2013-06-21 04:50:29 PM  

vudukungfu: concerned gunt farmers


I'm using that one.

/Could be a punk band, or welfare advocacy group.
 
2013-06-21 04:50:50 PM  

vudukungfu: fickenchucker: Just wait for the "journalists" and some stupid government research group to whine about the high cost cheap cars for the poor.

All vehicles in the USA must meet the strict compliance standards as put forth by the enhancement requests of fat ass soccer moms, in mom jeans who live in paved mazes in little pink houses which are the only little pink things in their lives, outside of their sperm donor's useless dangle toy. These concerned gunt farmers know what is best for you no matter what the cost. Think of the crotch droppings.


Someone has issues.
 
2013-06-21 04:52:15 PM  

goatleggedfellow: So, who in congress is heavily invested in companies that make screens for car dashboards?

Backup camera is handy, but you still have to turn around and look for people who are about to walk behind you.

And the screens will just make for another distraction.


Even with a camera you shouldn't ignore mirrors.  I know I don't.  I'm not sure how the cameras differ between models, but I can say my Fusion had a very wide angle.  My Kia isn't quite as wide, but because the camera is all the way in the back, I get a better view of stuff moving through a parking lot when there are other cars/trucks parked next to me.  That's the value to me.
 
2013-06-21 04:55:46 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: dittybopper: Kyosuke: Backup cameras are cheap, easy, and don't keep the car from getting you where you want to be if they break.

Any one individual "feature" is cheap.  When you make them mandatory, you start pricing people out of the low end of new cars.

It also increases the complexity of a car without actually providing a significant safety benefit.   According to this advocacy website, just about 100 kids a year are killed because they are backed over by a vehicle.

In a nation of 316 million people and 254 million registered motor vehicles, that's a very rare tragedy indeed.

The low end is what used vehicles are for.  Show me a new car for $13,000 and I'll show you a late model used vehicle still under warranty that offers a lot more for the money.

They're great for more than just avoiding hitting kids.  They make backing into parking spots 10x easier, executing 3 points turns much faster, and likely save a ton of money in terms of fender benders avoided.


It's funny how this issue is largely being ignored. Sure, the number of kids that die when a car backs up is small and taking about the cost in terms of lives saved is idiotic. However, when a little scratch on a bumber costs $500 because the whole bumper has to be replaced and you bet your ass everyone is going to replace it if it's not their fault and the other person's insurance has to cover it, the camera makes sense.
 
2013-06-21 04:57:27 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: The real reason automakers are dragging their feet is that right now they can charge $750+ for that backup camera (and whatever other cheap parts that come in the package).  When it becomes mandated, they can't.  It's why automakers drug their feet so long on Bluetooth, CD players, and USB ports - adding them was cheap long before they become standard features in virtually every vehicle - they just liked being able to charge a lot for the features as options.


Now that explanation makes sense. They were not too happy about airbags either, although those are expensive to produce.
 
2013-06-21 04:58:20 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: So th


you mean like seat belts were?
 
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