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(East Valley Tribune)   You voted Libertarian last election in Arizona? Republicans want to make sure that never happens again   (eastvalleytribune.com) divider line 188
    More: Sick, Arizona Legislature, Republican, reelection, Ann Kirkpatrick, Arizona Democratic Party, general elections  
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2013-06-21 11:54:03 AM  
Yeah. That will take care of the I-won't vote-for-the-Teajadi problem.
 
2013-06-21 12:05:54 PM  
The important thing is that we maintain a two party system.  A viable third, fourth, and fifth party would cause legislatures across the country to start paying attention to their constituents instead of the people that give them suitcases full of money.  And that would be a bad thing.
 
2013-06-21 12:26:44 PM  
But Rep. J.D. Mesnard, R-Chandler, admitted publicly that's precisely the purpose of the change. And the real goal is creating an easier path for GOP candidates to win.
 [...]
And he claimed that at least one congressional race and maybe two did not go "in the direction I would have liked to have seen them go'' -- and would have gone, Mesnard contends, had this law been in place last year.


Well, at least you're a fairly honest worthless shiat stain.
 
2013-06-21 12:28:09 PM  
The GOP fought successfully to keep Gary Johnson off the ballot in Michigan.  This is nothing new...we must maintain the status quo at all costs.
 
2013-06-21 12:38:00 PM  
Thread 7806167 is still live, but this article seems to have better coverage.

I think Arizona is still less restrictive overall than Virginia, even after the change.
 
2013-06-21 12:56:04 PM  
I'm not a political consultant, but I would think the best way to get people to vote for you is to give them a reason to vote for you instead of taking away their options.
 
2013-06-21 01:03:38 PM  
Maybe folks didn't think their clever plan of promoting these folks...
 
2013-06-21 01:14:32 PM  
Vee have vays of making you vote Republican.

Good luck keeping your party from fracturing with bailing wire and chewing gum.
 
2013-06-21 01:24:21 PM  

abb3w: Thread 7806167 is still live, but this article seems to have better coverage.

I think Arizona is still less restrictive overall than Virginia, even after the change.


For this reason alone, I am voting for this link.

also:  img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 02:09:03 PM  
WOW they really do hate Democracy dont they?
 
2013-06-21 02:09:49 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: I'm not a political consultant, but I would think the best way to get people to vote for you is to give them a reason to vote for you instead of taking away their options.


Yes, but that would entail having policies that people want to support, and that would defeat the purpose these evil pieces of shiat have for being in politics, which is to steal from everyone.
 
2013-06-21 02:10:30 PM  
Darn, the blatant hypocrisy of the limited government but I want to know what you're doing with your dick and vagina party is gone?  I wonder where it's adherents will go?
 
2013-06-21 02:12:26 PM  
The ends really justify the means on this one. The libertarian party is stealing legitimate votes from the republicans, really hurting the odds that the GOP controls all branches of government in AZ.
 
2013-06-21 02:14:31 PM  
Shorter GOP: "If we can't win honest and fair elections, we'll tamper with them until we CAN win."

People who call themselves "real Americans" shouldn't be voting GOP if they actually value things like freedom and liberty and all that other pseudo-patriotic crap.
 
2013-06-21 02:16:31 PM  
Wait, but aren't Democrats exactly the same as Republicans?
 
2013-06-21 02:18:13 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: I'm not a political consultant, but I would think the best way to get people to vote for you is to give them a reason to vote for you instead of taking away their options.


Maybe the Republicans are outsourcing their political strategy to China?

http://www.fark.com/comments/7807991
 
2013-06-21 02:19:58 PM  
If third parties want to be taken seriously, they need to stop farking around in elections they cannot win and need to start focusing on local elections first.

That said, I don't give a rat's ass about the Libertarian Party, because they're basically a bunch of whiny, arrogant, individualistic assholes with really poor perceptions of social organization and the need for human interaction.
 
2013-06-21 02:25:01 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: I'm not a political consultant, but I would think the best way to get people to vote for you is to give them a reason to vote for you instead of taking away their options.


But if the only people who are eligible to vote for me are either my family or people who will get rich thanks to me, I get the same result with less of that silly "pandering to my constituents" shiat
 
2013-06-21 02:34:37 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: A viable third, fourth, and fifth party would

very quickly take over the role of one of the existing parties and then return us to the 2 party system.
 
2013-06-21 02:37:36 PM  
Mesnard, in a late-night bid on the House floor last week on to corral necessary votes for the change, argued that people try to "manipulate the outcome of elections by putting third-party candidates on the ballot.''

Hahahaha

So this shiat heel has it in his head that the only outcome of elections can be a republican or democrat win.
 
2013-06-21 02:40:52 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Mesnard, in a late-night bid on the House floor last week on to corral necessary votes for the change, argued that people try to "manipulate the outcome of elections by putting third-party candidates on the ballot.''

Hahahaha

So this shiat heel has it in his head that the only outcome of elections can be a republican or democrat win.


Anything else is clearly "fraud" or "manipulation".
 
2013-06-21 02:43:28 PM  
Why do they assume that I'd have voted Republican if there wasn't a third party candidate on the ballot? I know when I'm voting third party that my guy probably won't win, but at least I can cast a ballot that says "I'm not voting for either of you two because you suck".
If it weren't for third party candidates, I'd have probably just stayed home last November rather than standing in that long line.
 
2013-06-21 02:43:55 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: I'm not a political consultant, but I would think the best way to get people to vote for you is to give them a reason to vote for you instead of taking away their options.


Or worse: Having those people whose options you took away from them vote for your opponents.

I'll assume Arizona Libertarians would rather not vote at all than even consider voting Democrat, but stranger things have happened.
 
2013-06-21 02:44:38 PM  

Raging Whore Moans: Wait, but aren't Democrats exactly the same as Republicans?


I actually am asking this... you hear about these types of things all the time with Republicans... either wanted to limit who is on the ballot, or, limit who can go cast a vote.

Are there any strong numbers of democrats who actually support similar measures, especially on the limiting ballot access side (which, arguably, would help them as well in some places.... getting rid of the green and other fringe left parties as well).

I mean, I know people like Ralph Nader like to go "Oh, the two big parties are all the same"... but, unless you are proposing that they are acting like some sort of "Good Cop"/"Bad Cop" routine on a national level, there is some stark differences between the majority of their candidates.

/actually, maybe I just stumbled upon exactly what they are doing.
 
2013-06-21 02:47:24 PM  
I would say this to third-parties:  Get candidates that would move the needle; like it or not, it worked with Jesse Ventura in Minnesota.  He moved the needle to the point where Republicans and Democrats started panicking.  Still won.
 
2013-06-21 02:47:47 PM  
Know who also doesn't like third parties, or second parties for that matter? California Democrats. The state shifted to a "top two" primary system. You're never going to see a third party in the general election again, and most likely the only two people in most general election runoffs will be Democrats.
 
2013-06-21 02:50:09 PM  
more likely they want to stop people from voting for the tea party candidate so they don't split their base and lose the crazies...
 
2013-06-21 02:52:41 PM  
Republicans are very, very concerned about the integrity of the voting system.
 
2013-06-21 02:53:34 PM  
But a two party system is almost *twice* as good as a one party system!
 
2013-06-21 02:56:33 PM  

mat catastrophe: If third parties want to be taken seriously, they need to stop farking around in elections they cannot win and need to start focusing on local elections first.

That said, I don't give a rat's ass about the Libertarian Party, because they're basically a bunch of whiny, arrogant, individualistic assholes with really poor perceptions of social organization and the need for human interaction.


You forgot "simplistic" and "naïve" as well as possessing a "romanticized view of history that mostly never existed, and that which did exist had horrible downsides this view of history refuses to acknowledge"
 
2013-06-21 03:05:55 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Mesnard, in a late-night bid on the House floor last week on to corral necessary votes for the change, argued that people try to "manipulate the outcome of elections by putting third-party candidates on the ballot.''

Hahahaha

So this shiat heel has it in his head that the only outcome of elections can be a republican or democrat win.


Funny part is this is EXACTLY what the Az Republicans tried to do during the Russell Pearce recall, so they know all about dummy candidates.
 
2013-06-21 03:08:33 PM  
Who the hell even lives in Arizona anymore except snowbirds?
 
2013-06-21 03:11:26 PM  
OK so I'll just vote for a democrat when you put a teabagger on the ballot.
 
2013-06-21 03:13:46 PM  

whidbey: Who the hell even lives in Arizona anymore except snowbirds?


Retirees, Mormons, and last but not least, the Mexican-Americans who will turn this state blue within a decade.
 
2013-06-21 03:14:12 PM  

jjorsett: Know who also doesn't like third parties, or second parties for that matter? California Democrats. The state shifted to a "top two" primary system. You're never going to see a third party in the general election again, and most likely the only two people in most general election runoffs will be Democrats.


yes having a run off election where people get to vote on the top runners in the general election is exactly the same as limiting the general election. because we like the way texas does it with a governor that won the election with only 39 percent of those that voted instead of allowing a run off.
 
2013-06-21 03:17:07 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: mat catastrophe: If third parties want to be taken seriously, they need to stop farking around in elections they cannot win and need to start focusing on local elections first.

That said, I don't give a rat's ass about the Libertarian Party, because they're basically a bunch of whiny, arrogant, individualistic assholes with really poor perceptions of social organization and the need for human interaction.

You forgot "simplistic" and "naïve" as well as possessing a "romanticized view of history that mostly never existed, and that which did exist had horrible downsides this view of history refuses to acknowledge"


It's funny you use those terms.
 
2013-06-21 03:17:44 PM  

buzzcut73: Why do they assume that I'd have voted Republican if there wasn't a third party candidate on the ballot? I know when I'm voting third party that my guy probably won't win, but at least I can cast a ballot that says "I'm not voting for either of you two because you suck".
If it weren't for third party candidates, I'd have probably just stayed home last November rather than standing in that long line.


This is why I vote 3rd party.  I do not vote for a 3rd party because I am enamored with their cause/platforms.  I vote 3rd party because the two "viable" candidates are so bad that I will not vote for them....  I cannot remember the last time I actually voted for someone.
 
2013-06-21 03:21:47 PM  

jjorsett: Know who also doesn't like third parties, or second parties for that matter? California Democrats. The state shifted to a "top two" primary system. You're never going to see a third party in the general election again, and most likely the only two people in most general election runoffs will be Democrats.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

/wrong
//I got a choice between two teabaggers
///much like most people in the eastern half of the state
 
2013-06-21 03:24:56 PM  
Didn't both D and R get court orders/restraining orders etc barring third parties from the ballot/debates in a couple states for the presidential election back in 08?
 
2013-06-21 03:25:07 PM  

thurstonxhowell: Marcus Aurelius: A viable third, fourth, and fifth party would very quickly take over the role of one of the existing parties and then return us to the 2 party system.


While true, the fact that Republicans are so concerned about 3rd parties suggests this practice is getting close.
 
2013-06-21 03:25:35 PM  
What does Jan Brewer say to the Arizona libertarians?

"Hit the light switch when you leave, Ron."

scrapetv.com
 
2013-06-21 03:28:32 PM  

jjorsett: Know who also doesn't like third parties, or second parties for that matter? California Democrats. The state shifted to a "top two" primary system. You're never going to see a third party in the general election again, and most likely the only two people in most general election runoffs will be Democrats.


Isn't that just for runoff elections, not the general?
 
2013-06-21 03:35:08 PM  

studs up: PC LOAD LETTER: mat catastrophe: If third parties want to be taken seriously, they need to stop farking around in elections they cannot win and need to start focusing on local elections first.

That said, I don't give a rat's ass about the Libertarian Party, because they're basically a bunch of whiny, arrogant, individualistic assholes with really poor perceptions of social organization and the need for human interaction.

You forgot "simplistic" and "naïve" as well as possessing a "romanticized view of history that mostly never existed, and that which did exist had horrible downsides this view of history refuses to acknowledge"

It's funny you use those terms.


I think it's funny you constantly avoid fatal criticisms concerning your self-professed ideology.

No really it's entertaining. Sort of.
 
2013-06-21 03:40:21 PM  

whidbey: I think it's funny you constantly avoid fatal criticisms


I will endeavor to run head long into fatal criticisms.
 
2013-06-21 03:46:34 PM  
As long the the GOP stays with their message, everything will be just fine. Why adjust their failed platform in any way when they can adjust the voter's ability to cast a ballot?

/wishes they'd focus on voter rights as fastidiously as they focus on the 2nd amendment. You know, democracy and all.
 
2013-06-21 03:48:15 PM  

studs up: whidbey: I think it's funny you constantly avoid fatal criticisms

I will endeavor to run head long into fatal criticisms.


Let me guess: if and when you feel like it.
 
2013-06-21 03:50:06 PM  

Raging Whore Moans: Wait, but aren't Democrats exactly the same as Republicans?


No, they take their money from an mostly different set of corporations. But you should vote Republican.
 
2013-06-21 03:50:46 PM  
THANKS OBAMA!
 
2013-06-21 03:54:23 PM  
I don't really see how trying to shoehorn additional parties into a system clearly designed to only support two is good for anyone. If you want more viable options, you have to change to some sort of runoff-voting instead of plurality.
 
2013-06-21 03:55:17 PM  
Lot of repeats this week.
 
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