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(BBC)   War comic featuring heroic tales of British troops fighting Germans to move printing offices to Germany, following what had to be the most awkward business meeting ever   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 38
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2013-06-21 12:36:05 PM
Germans have a weird disconnect with the whole WWII thing. If you try to label them German forces you will quickly be corrected that they were Nazi forces not German. The fact that German and Nazi are interchangeable to most the rest of the world (when talking about that time period) is unthinkable to modern Germans.
 
2013-06-21 01:38:58 PM
"Don't mention the war!"
 
2013-06-21 01:39:04 PM
Why were British troops moving a printing office in the middle of a war?
 
2013-06-21 01:41:13 PM
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 01:41:18 PM

DeathLemur: "Don't mention the war!"


beat me to it
 
2013-06-21 01:42:04 PM
There was no war, everyone was invited and tea was served
 
2013-06-21 01:44:50 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Germans have a weird disconnect with the whole WWII thing. If you try to label them German forces you will quickly be corrected that they were Nazi forces not German. The fact that German and Nazi are interchangeable to most the rest of the world (when talking about that time period) is unthinkable to modern Germans.


Yep, Had a German roommate, and I gathered that much... over the course of a year, because they don't seem to like discussing that part of their history. I suppose it's still recent compared to the waves of genocide the US has committed.
 
2013-06-21 01:45:59 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Germans have a weird disconnect with the whole WWII thing. If you try to label them German forces you will quickly be corrected that they were Nazi forces not German. The fact that German and Nazi are interchangeable to most the rest of the world (when talking about that time period) is unthinkable to modern Germans.


the grandfather of one of my best friends from high school was an engineer who designed aircraft for the Nazis. whenever someone gave him a hard time about it, he'd point out that his grandfather designed aircraft for the Weimar Republic as well and complained that for some reason no one ever focuses on that. So basically his grandfather would design aircraft for whoever was the recognized German government no matter what. I once asked him what his grandmother did... he got real quiet, gave me a wierd look and warned me that there's just some things that are best left unkonwn.
 
2013-06-21 01:46:30 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: There was no war, everyone was invited and tea was served


Check with Poland!
 
2013-06-21 01:46:33 PM
FAIL tag is screaming.
 
2013-06-21 01:48:04 PM
Meh - it's all water under the bridge (that got blown to smithereens by the Jerries).
 
2013-06-21 01:49:33 PM
Did the meeting feature the traditional warm German welcome followed by a fate worse than a fate worse than death?
 
2013-06-21 01:53:14 PM

DeathLemur: "Don't mention the war!"


I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it.
 
2013-06-21 01:55:43 PM
anyone actually read this comic?

If it's been around since 1961 and is still about this subject matter, yet still selling copies... either the people reading it are loons, or it's well written and worth a read.
 
2013-06-21 02:04:51 PM
Bet they did nazi that coming.
 
2013-06-21 02:08:40 PM
Imagine being an air traffic controller working at Ronald Reagan Airport.
 
2013-06-21 02:11:23 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Germans have a weird disconnect with the whole WWII thing. If you try to label them German forces you will quickly be corrected that they were Nazi forces not German. The fact that German and Nazi are interchangeable to most the rest of the world (when talking about that time period) is unthinkable to modern Germans.


Because only the Nazis invaded countries and committed atrocities. The regular Wermacht sat at home gobbling up plates of schnitzel and never shot anyone ever at all.


Uh huh.

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 02:14:50 PM

Gabrielmot: anyone actually read this comic?

If it's been around since 1961 and is still about this subject matter, yet still selling copies... either the people reading it are loons, or it's well written and worth a read


My great uncle, who served during WWII, had a huge collection of these comics. I loved hem when I was about 10,  but that's their maturity level
 
2013-06-21 02:16:32 PM
Doesn't present day Germany have the most hatred of the Nazis than any other group?
 
2013-06-21 02:33:02 PM

DuncanMhor: Gabrielmot: anyone actually read this comic?

If it's been around since 1961 and is still about this subject matter, yet still selling copies... either the people reading it are loons, or it's well written and worth a read

My great uncle, who served during WWII, had a huge collection of these comics. I loved hem when I was about 10,  but that's their maturity level


Thanks.
 
2013-06-21 03:03:43 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Germans have a weird disconnect with the whole WWII thing. If you try to label them German forces you will quickly be corrected that they were Nazi forces not German. The fact that German and Nazi are interchangeable to most the rest of the world (when talking about that time period) is unthinkable to modern Germans.


Germany's weird about WW II, man. On the one hand, they have a national memorial in Berlin devoted to the victims of the Holocaust, which...the US flips out every time the Smithsonian wants to do something about Hiroshima, Nagasaki or, say, Hamburg. I don't think Japan has anything about the "Rape of Nanking," say. So in that sense, Germany has done more to get out in front of the more troubling parts of their history than the other aggressors in that conflict have done.

On the other, between the West Germany/East Germany split during the Cold War (and the politics that went along with that) and the sort of forced disassociation you mention - Nazis did it, not Germans! - it's hard to tell whether they've accepted responsibility or are trying to expunge the feelings of guilt without addressing it directly.
 
2013-06-21 03:26:44 PM

FatherChaos: img.fark.net

First thing i thought of: ALAN Moore ALAN Davis

 
2013-06-21 03:39:59 PM
Thats as dumb as having China make American Fla... Never mind.
 
2013-06-21 03:47:31 PM

Pichu0102: Doesn't present day Germany have the most hatred of the Nazis than any other group?


Well, they have the most hatred of being reminded that they were all Nazis. Nazis who happily set out to exterminate millions of people. Because they felt they were superior to everyone else and had a moral birthright to rule all of Europe with an iron fist.

Quite similar to the Eurozone politics of today, actually. Hell, the Finns and Austrians are still their allies.

Whoops, that reminds me - actually, the Austrians have an even bigger hatred of being reminded they were also all Nazis. But at least they can hide it behind the lie that they were an "occupied" country.
 
2013-06-21 03:58:20 PM

Pichu0102: Doesn't present day Germany have the most hatred of the Nazis than any other group?


The NPD is the Neo-Nazi political party in Germany; they've been trying to ban it for quite some time without success. Wikipedia has more info.
 
2013-06-21 05:45:22 PM

martin55: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Germans have a weird disconnect with the whole WWII thing. If you try to label them German forces you will quickly be corrected that they were Nazi forces not German. The fact that German and Nazi are interchangeable to most the rest of the world (when talking about that time period) is unthinkable to modern Germans.

Germany's weird about WW II, man. On the one hand, they have a national memorial in Berlin devoted to the victims of the Holocaust, which...the US flips out every time the Smithsonian wants to do something about Hiroshima, Nagasaki or, say, Hamburg. I don't think Japan has anything about the "Rape of Nanking," say. So in that sense, Germany has done more to get out in front of the more troubling parts of their history than the other aggressors in that conflict have done.

On the other, between the West Germany/East Germany split during the Cold War (and the politics that went along with that) and the sort of forced disassociation you mention - Nazis did it, not Germans! - it's hard to tell whether they've accepted responsibility or are trying to expunge the feelings of guilt without addressing it directly.


I think Germany and Germans have been far more willing to deal with what happened in WWII than the Japanese.

And when the British producers were trying to get funding to make Enigma the potential US backers wanted the story changed to make an American the hero (As happened with the film Memphis Belle which was originally about a RAF Lancaster crew). They eventually got funding from people who let the story stay as it was. From Germany.
 
2013-06-21 06:12:51 PM

Flint Ironstag: I think Germany and Germans have been far more willing to deal with what happened in WWII than the Japanese.


Ya don't say there, Ric Romero.

 The Japanese only regret two things about the war, losing it and people reminding them they lost it. They won't apologize for the genocide of other cultures because most still tacitly support it and wished their grandfathers had better succeeded.

 I love Japan, I love the culture, and really liked the time I lived there, but holy crap is there a rich vein of xenophobia and supremacism in that culture not far under the surface at all.
 There is no real concerted attempt to hide it either, as the culture is not to the point much that anyone thinks its wrong yet. Think about the American Deep South 50 years ago - that attitude of 'Of course we discriminate. Blacks are inferior, why wouldn't we?'. Same thing. There is no shame in being a supremacist douchebag there, its just so obvious to them they are superior it just seems the common sense way to act.
 It only reinforces the idea how stupid and inferior all the other cultures around them are that those peoples are too dense to see how obviously superior the Japanese are.
 
2013-06-21 07:25:11 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Well, they have the most hatred of being reminded that they were all Nazis. Nazis who happily set out to exterminate millions of people. Because they felt they were superior to everyone else and had a moral birthright to rule all of Europe with an iron fist.


Just look at the reaction of most Americans when you remind them that their country did its best to exterminate hundreds of thousands if not millions of people for the same moral reasons the Germans did. They tend to do the same mental gymnastics Germans do.
 
2013-06-21 07:39:57 PM

Flint Ironstag: As happened with the film Memphis Belle which was originally about a RAF Lancaster crew)


The Memphis Belle was based on the William Wyler documentary shot in 1943 about the actual Memphis Belle.
 
2013-06-21 08:18:33 PM

Red Shirt Blues: Flint Ironstag: As happened with the film Memphis Belle which was originally about a RAF Lancaster crew)

The Memphis Belle was based on the William Wyler documentary shot in 1943 about the actual Memphis Belle.


David Puttnam originally want to do a story about a RAF Lancaster crew.

From IMDB:
Memphis Belle was originally conceived by its producer, David Puttnam, as a film about a British aircraft bomber and its crew but the film was transformed by its American financial backers into a story of "the youthful crew of a celebrated American B-17 Flying Fortress". Puttnam lamented the fact that because of this a British story could not be told in the way he had conceived it and in all probability would now never be told."

Just as I Robot started off as an original story before the studio decided to work it into a movie based on an Asimov story, the producers of Memphis Belle made it an American story and then decided to base it (very loosely) on the real Memphis belle.
 
2013-06-21 10:09:21 PM

Flint Ironstag: Red Shirt Blues: Flint Ironstag: As happened with the film Memphis Belle which was originally about a RAF Lancaster crew)

The Memphis Belle was based on the William Wyler documentary shot in 1943 about the actual Memphis Belle.

David Puttnam originally want to do a story about a RAF Lancaster crew.

From IMDB:
Memphis Belle was originally conceived by its producer, David Puttnam, as a film about a British aircraft bomber and its crew but the film was transformed by its American financial backers into a story of "the youthful crew of a celebrated American B-17 Flying Fortress". Puttnam lamented the fact that because of this a British story could not be told in the way he had conceived it and in all probability would now never be told."

Just as I Robot started off as an original story before the studio decided to work it into a movie based on an Asimov story, the producers of Memphis Belle made it an American story and then decided to base it (very loosely) on the real Memphis belle.


I did not know that. But I think there are only one or two Lancasters still flying. 1990 cgi was horrible. In The Memphis Belle they tried to use models plus some sort of cgi and it looked awful. Actually outside of the b-17 scenes the movie was horrible. Wooden acting and lousy characters. Twelve O'clock High did it to perfection. But the point I was trying to make it may have been more feasible to do Memphis Belle with the availability of b-17's.

But Peter Jackson is said to be doing a remake of the Dam Busters when he is done with the hobbit trilogy. With his kind of money it should be interesting. I wonder if he will get some static Lancasters flying again. And of course change the name of that dog........cough
 
2013-06-21 11:12:09 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Germans have a weird disconnect with the whole WWII thing. If you try to label them German forces you will quickly be corrected that they were Nazi forces not German. The fact that German and Nazi are interchangeable to most the rest of the world (when talking about that time period) is unthinkable to modern Germans.


The Japanese do the same: It's the Imperial (Japanese) Army(日本帝国軍) , not the Japanese

Gabrielmot: anyone actually read this comic?

If it's been around since 1961 and is still about this subject matter, yet still selling copies... either the people reading it are loons, or it's well written and worth a read.


 I have a load of old ones at home. Used to read them as a kid, then found a place selling them when I was at uni (the newsagent in the local hospital, strangely enough), and got back into them, in an ironical sort of way, of course; before being ironical was popular. Or invented, even.
As DuncanMhor said, they are pretty childish, but they can be pretty funny at the same time. Some tough sergeant taking on a whole regiment of the Jerry armed only with a tin of bully-beef and intense dislike of nazis--a dislike only exceeded by his hatred of incompentent posh British officers. Good stuff. It's the cheesey lines they come out with as they destroy legions of Hun with a single burst: "chew on this with your bratwurst, Jerry" and so on.
The old ones are the best, though. They started to get relatively PC around the late Eighties or early Nineties. The older portrayals of Arabs (crazy fighters, but also all lying, thieving scumbags), Greeks (bandits, basically, who herd sheep all day and fight each other with knives at night), and so on used to crack me up.

Funnily enough, if you read the obits of some of these WWII soldiers, you can often see they did stuff similar to the Commando stories; some of the stories were based on an albeit small kernel of truth. Many of the original artists were also ex-WWII soldiers themselves, so the artwork is usually pretty detailed.

For a quality war story, there was Charlie's War (in a comic called "Battle Action", I think), which was set in WWI. It had all the usual stuff, including the tough sargeant who came out with lines like "GIve it to them like my old Ma used to serve tea: hot and strong!", but also went into the psychological side of war, and the particular horrors of the Great War. It was somewhat more realistic than the usual fare. Don't know if it's on e-Bay or somewhere, but I wouldn't mind reading it again.
 
2013-06-21 11:44:14 PM
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2013-06-22 01:42:16 AM

No Catchy Nickname: For a quality war story, there was Charlie's War (in a comic called "Battle Action", I think), which was set in WWI. It had all the usual stuff, including the tough sargeant who came out with lines like "GIve it to them like my old Ma used to serve tea: hot and strong!", but also went into the psychological side of war, and the particular horrors of the Great War. It was somewhat more realistic than the usual fare. Don't know if it's on e-Bay or somewhere, but I wouldn't mind reading it again.


The last of the collected editions is due out at the end of this year;
  http://forbiddenplanet.com/graphic-novels/titan-books/charleys-war /
 
2013-06-22 01:56:16 AM

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: No Catchy Nickname: For a quality war story, there was Charlie's War (in a comic called "Battle Action", I think), which was set in WWI. It had all the usual stuff, including the tough sargeant who came out with lines like "GIve it to them like my old Ma used to serve tea: hot and strong!", but also went into the psychological side of war, and the particular horrors of the Great War. It was somewhat more realistic than the usual fare. Don't know if it's on e-Bay or somewhere, but I wouldn't mind reading it again.

The last of the collected editions is due out at the end of this year;
  http://forbiddenplanet.com/graphic-novels/titan-books/charleys-war /


Thanks. I may have to get that, for nostalagia alone.
 
2013-06-22 01:57:33 AM
You'd turn it off when I was halfway across:

And it would also make a great present for my Dad, who used to love reading it with us. He's normally impossible to buy for, so nice one!
 
2013-06-22 03:15:12 AM

No Catchy Nickname: Funnily enough, if you read the obits of some of these WWII soldiers, you can often see they did stuff similar to the Commando stories; some of the stories were based on an albeit small kernel of truth. Many of the original artists were also ex-WWII soldiers themselves, so the artwork is usually pretty detailed


Ironically. my grandfather was a commando in WWII, he fought in Burma and other places (the old guy subscribed to the "you don't blow your own trumpet" school of thought)

The only real story I have from him is this. Before the war broke out, Papa was a police officer, this was a reserved occupation, meaning you could join the armed forces only in positions that were needed more than police. He had the choice of Royal Naval Officer, Spitfire pilot, or commando. He got seasick, and was waaaay to big for the spitfire (6'6") so he joined the commandos. Eventually he ended up a sergeant instructor at the training school in Achnacarry.

One thing that never changed was his pay; he continued to receive his police-level salary, no matter what rank he was. ON one occaision, he was marrched into the C.O.'s hut, promoted to sergeant, marched out, back in again, and demoted to corporal. He had a bit of a smart mouth :)

He was on a troop ship in the Indian Ocean that was torpedoed. Had to swim to shore. In an interview he gave when he retired as director of studies at the Hong Kong police academy, he said it was the "best afternoon's swim I'd ever had"

/Big brass ones
//Wish I had more of the stories, and from the horse's mouth
///CSB
 
2013-06-22 01:47:46 PM

DuncanMhor: ON one occaision, he was marrched into the C.O.'s hut, promoted to sergeant, marched out, back in again, and demoted to corporal. He had a bit of a smart mouth :)


My Grandpa did the same, but he did it three times.  He earned the promotions, but he sad he didn't want to be responsible for the lives of the "half-trained kids" the army was sending them by that point.
He lied about his age and joined up at 16 in January of 41'.  So he got the benefit of an actual Boot Camp, not the rushed version they had later.
Fought all the way through, from Africa to Germany, and stayed 'till 45'.  Then re-enlisted to be an MP in Germany because he thought "there might be trouble with the Russians".
All those guys are heroes.
 
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