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2013-06-21 05:02:45 PM

GhostFish: SpaceBison: Fun fact: Dinosaurs currently live among us! Sorta.

Sorta. It's fun to think about. Especially if you extend this idea to us, because we're not descended only from apes.
We're also descended from synapsids. Maybe even from something like the dimetrodon.


Well, that explains the sail on my back.
 
2013-06-21 05:03:42 PM

Kiler: ciberido: FloydA: There is overwhelming evidence that people lived at the same time as dinosaurs.  Most people don't know about it, but it's true.

Sure, if you mean the whole "birds are dinosaurs" thing.  In which case, I had dinosaur eggs for breakfast today.

I prefer to call them chicken abortions.


Had a friend in high school who was big into vegetarianism.  One time I asked her, "Hey, if you're a vegetarian, why do you eat eggs?"

"It's ok," she replied, "I also believe in abortion."

(And, no, I wasn't seriously trying to argue the point; I was just messing with her.)
 
2013-06-21 05:04:51 PM

FloydA: KiltedBastich:

Srsly. The stuff I love is the research that's been done on African Grey parrots that indicates that some of these birds with brains the size of walnuts have reasoning abilities in the same range as a 4 year old human, including abstraction and language abilities.

If they can do that with that little brain, I find myself seriously wondering what it could do with a brain scaled up in size and complexity to near our own.

Build a museum in Kentucky?


img.fark.net
Would have liked to have seen that museum.
 
2013-06-21 05:09:08 PM

give me doughnuts: Pitabred: ...incentives aren't subsidies?

In this case, no. Everyone is all "Ehrmagerd! Terx merneies go to Erk Perk!"
No funds are being paid to the creation museum, or this ark thing. They aren't getting any state money, they simply don't have to pay as much.

"Tax subsidy" and tax "incentive" are used interchangably, which is somewhat inaccurate.
sub·si·dize/ˈsəbsəˌdīz/VerbSupport (an organization or activity) financially.Pay part of the cost of producing (something) to reduce prices for the buyer.


The problem being that those are the same thing. If they're not paying it to the state, other taxpayers have to subsidize the shortfall elsewhere. Just because you say "It's not a subsidy!" doesn't make it so.
 
2013-06-21 05:14:07 PM
I don't think you're supposed to troll that hard in a soft target like a creationism thread FloydA. That has to be a violation of all sorts of arms limitation treaties. Expect deportation to the internet Hague soon.
 
2013-06-21 05:25:16 PM
You know what frustrates me?  I have to give them a point for remembering that pterosaurs don't count as dinosaurs.

I can quickly take that point away again if any of their theropods have pronated wrists, though.
 
2013-06-21 05:33:33 PM

Abuse Liability: megarian: Pointy Tail of Satan: There should be a whole section on these creationist pylons in the DSM-V.

Albert Ellis thought so, too. Smart guy.

You better lookout, Magorn is in this thread and he's making your similar-appearing name look bad.  He fell for the troll (in his own words) hook, line and sinker


Oh no....

Now I need a clever alt.

But I've been drinking. So...so that's nice. I forgot what the question was.

/*shakes fist* damn you, Magorn! You had better be way hotter and smarter than me!
//if people are confused, I'd rather them think I'm magnificently sexy and clever
 
2013-06-21 05:36:50 PM

Gonz: TheGogmagog: Also found out that my wife is 'undecided' on creation/evolution, she says it doesn't matter which is right and chooses to not decide.

Then she still has made a choice.


She can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill?
 
2013-06-21 05:38:13 PM

Delawheredad: I AM NOT defending these nut jobs BUT it is very possible that myths of dragons originated in part from dinosaur bones found back when man was more superstitious then MOST folks are today.


For instance, back in the backwardfarkistan make-a-mythology-from-whatever-period, there's a rock-slide near some river that opens up the rock strata underneath, which just happen to contain a T-rex skull.

Now, some dude comes walking buy and has the living bejesusing shait scared out of him by what appears to be some HORRIFYING BEAST WITH HUGE TEETH coming out of the rock, only to realize they're bones. But of what?

And so would begin the storytelling.
 
2013-06-21 06:47:58 PM

Gonz: TheGogmagog: Also found out that my wife is 'undecided' on creation/evolution, she says it doesn't matter which is right and chooses to not decide.

Then she still has made a choice.


img.fark.net
Agrees.
 
2013-06-21 07:05:41 PM

megarian: Abuse Liability: megarian: Pointy Tail of Satan: There should be a whole section on these creationist pylons in the DSM-V.

Albert Ellis thought so, too. Smart guy.

You better lookout, Magorn is in this thread and he's making your similar-appearing name look bad.  He fell for the troll (in his own words) hook, line and sinker

Oh no....

Now I need a clever alt.

But I've been drinking. So...so that's nice. I forgot what the question was.

/*shakes fist* damn you, Magorn! You had better be way hotter and smarter than me!
//if people are confused, I'd rather them think I'm magnificently sexy and clever


Without knowing what you look like or even you gender, I'm gonna say it's a very safe bet I am in no way hotter than you, and as for smarter? Well I did get suckered by the troll didn't I?
 
2013-06-21 07:11:50 PM

Magorn: megarian: Abuse Liability: megarian: Pointy Tail of Satan: There should be a whole section on these creationist pylons in the DSM-V.

Albert Ellis thought so, too. Smart guy.

You better lookout, Magorn is in this thread and he's making your similar-appearing name look bad.  He fell for the troll (in his own words) hook, line and sinker

Oh no....

Now I need a clever alt.

But I've been drinking. So...so that's nice. I forgot what the question was.

/*shakes fist* damn you, Magorn! You had better be way hotter and smarter than me!
//if people are confused, I'd rather them think I'm magnificently sexy and clever

Without knowing what you look like or even you gender, I'm gonna say it's a very safe bet I am in no way hotter than you, and as for smarter? Well I did get suckered by the troll didn't I?


Alright....without knowing you, I can tell you that you are smarter than me. My first major is an art major. And I don't even click the politics tab because...well, as much as I like S&M, I'm not THAT into pain.

So it's not hard to be smarter than me. Also, I live in Detroit. By choice.

As far as hot goes...pics or it didn't happen.
 
2013-06-21 07:29:06 PM

gimmegimme: Cythraul: gimmegimme: Your tax dollars at work...

Tax dollars?! Tax dollars pay for that place?

Link

Link


Your links do not support your claim.     The Creation Museum was built with private funding.  And the "museum" was open several years prior to those incentives.

Those incentives that the State of Kentucky gave were for an entirely different project which is a partnership between AiG and a for-profit religiously-themed park that has yet to be built.   State governments give such incentives in hopes the state will recoup the lost revenue by increased spending by tourists who come to the state to visit the attraction.  My understanding is that the progress on that project has been really lackluster and with any luck it won't happen.  But on the other hand, there are enough dumb rich people out there...
 
2013-06-21 07:45:02 PM

megarian: Magorn: megarian: Abuse Liability: megarian: Pointy Tail of Satan: There should be a whole section on these creationist pylons in the DSM-V.

Albert Ellis thought so, too. Smart guy.

You better lookout, Magorn is in this thread and he's making your similar-appearing name look bad.  He fell for the troll (in his own words) hook, line and sinker

Oh no....

Now I need a clever alt.

But I've been drinking. So...so that's nice. I forgot what the question was.

/*shakes fist* damn you, Magorn! You had better be way hotter and smarter than me!
//if people are confused, I'd rather them think I'm magnificently sexy and clever

Without knowing what you look like or even you gender, I'm gonna say it's a very safe bet I am in no way hotter than you, and as for smarter? Well I did get suckered by the troll didn't I?

Alright....without knowing you, I can tell you that you are smarter than me. My first major is an art major. And I don't even click the politics tab because...well, as much as I like S&M, I'm not THAT into pain.

So it's not hard to be smarter than me. Also, I live in Detroit. By choice.

As far as hot goes...pics or it didn't happen.


Yeah, it just occured to me its pretty cowardly to hide behind a blank profile.  Especially with all the shiat I was talking in the speedo thread.

/corrected
 
2013-06-21 07:56:55 PM

Abuse Liability: megarian: Magorn: megarian: Abuse Liability: megarian: Pointy Tail of Satan: There should be a whole section on these creationist pylons in the DSM-V.

Albert Ellis thought so, too. Smart guy.

You better lookout, Magorn is in this thread and he's making your similar-appearing name look bad.  He fell for the troll (in his own words) hook, line and sinker

Oh no....

Now I need a clever alt.

But I've been drinking. So...so that's nice. I forgot what the question was.

/*shakes fist* damn you, Magorn! You had better be way hotter and smarter than me!
//if people are confused, I'd rather them think I'm magnificently sexy and clever

Without knowing what you look like or even you gender, I'm gonna say it's a very safe bet I am in no way hotter than you, and as for smarter? Well I did get suckered by the troll didn't I?

Alright....without knowing you, I can tell you that you are smarter than me. My first major is an art major. And I don't even click the politics tab because...well, as much as I like S&M, I'm not THAT into pain.

So it's not hard to be smarter than me. Also, I live in Detroit. By choice.

As far as hot goes...pics or it didn't happen.

Yeah, it just occured to me its pretty cowardly to hide behind a blank profile.  Especially with all the shiat I was talking in the speedo thread.

/corrected


Thanks for the cute overload/diabetes ya jerk.
 
2013-06-21 08:44:53 PM
Thread fails without Jeebus riding a raptor.
 
2013-06-21 08:53:14 PM
Creationists basically work by distraction.

They want you to avoid looking at scientific evidence, bc that is overwhelmingly (1 billion to zero) anti Creationism

They have a constituency - people who want to believe that all the bible is literally true, bc other bits of the bible promise them that they will go to Heaven if they believe.

So the Creationists invent consoling stories which all have the same theme: "Look this might be true, so therefore Jesus"

And that is enough for their flock.
 
2013-06-21 08:59:03 PM

Oldiron_79: Thread fails without Jeebus riding a raptor.


Doesn't everything fail without Jesus riding a raptor?
 
2013-06-21 09:09:16 PM

FloydA: gimmegimme: FloydA: There is overwhelming evidence that people lived at the same time as dinosaurs.  Most people don't know about it, but it's true.

Dude, The Flintstones was not a documentary.

Even evolutionists like Jack Horner and Ernst Mayr admit that humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time.  There are a small minority of scientists, like Alan Feduccia and Larry Martin, who deny it, but if you ask most scientists, in private, they will admit that humans and dinosaurs are contemporaries.  The famous evolutionist Jared Diamond has even gone to places like New Guinea in search of living dinosaurs.


Well, if you want to get technical about it, humans and dinosaurs are contemporaries NOW.  There are even people who explicitly keep house dinosaurs as enjoyable and intelligent companion animals:

upload.wikimedia.org

There is an increasingly large hobby (and a very large industry) of people raising various kinds of domesticated dinosaurs as food animals:

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(Hell, here in Kentucky we even had a few folks who got downright famous for the things they did with dinosaur meat when introduced to spices, breading and a deep fryer.)

There are folks who actively feed wild dinosaurs so as to encourage them to come closer to human areas:

upload.wikimedia.org

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There are even people who have explicitly domesticated and/or tamed wild predatory theropod dinosaurs for purposes of hunting OTHER dinosaurs as well as small mammals:

upload.wikimedia.org

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(Of note--the lady's companion predatory dinosaur is the fastest creature known to exist, capable of hunting its prey (other dinosaurs) at speeds very close to that of an IRL car. :D)

upload.wikimedia.org

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(I would post a pic of one of these human-habituated predatory dinosaurs having successfully caught another dinosaur, but the pics I have found were a bit gory and probably would be in Violation Of The Rules here.  Predatory dinosaurs, as a rule, are somewhat messy eaters.)

/yes, birds are dinosaurs, specifically theropod dinosaurs of a particular clade whose closest non-avian relatives were the likes of Velociraptor and Deinonychus
//yes, I know that's not what people were on about.  I don't CARE.  To quote a certain XKCD comic, "This is a good world."
 
2013-06-21 09:12:06 PM

megarian: Abuse Liability: megarian: Magorn: megarian: Abuse Liability: megarian: Pointy Tail of Satan: There should be a whole section on these creationist pylons in the DSM-V.

Albert Ellis thought so, too. Smart guy.

You better lookout, Magorn is in this thread and he's making your similar-appearing name look bad.  He fell for the troll (in his own words) hook, line and sinker

Oh no....

Now I need a clever alt.

But I've been drinking. So...so that's nice. I forgot what the question was.

/*shakes fist* damn you, Magorn! You had better be way hotter and smarter than me!
//if people are confused, I'd rather them think I'm magnificently sexy and clever

Without knowing what you look like or even you gender, I'm gonna say it's a very safe bet I am in no way hotter than you, and as for smarter? Well I did get suckered by the troll didn't I?

Alright....without knowing you, I can tell you that you are smarter than me. My first major is an art major. And I don't even click the politics tab because...well, as much as I like S&M, I'm not THAT into pain.

So it's not hard to be smarter than me. Also, I live in Detroit. By choice.

As far as hot goes...pics or it didn't happen.

Yeah, it just occured to me its pretty cowardly to hide behind a blank profile.  Especially with all the shiat I was talking in the speedo thread.

/corrected

Thanks for the cute overload/diabetes ya jerk.


You are welcome. Also, my penis is gigantic-ish

/might as well go all out if I'm going to flirt
 
2013-06-21 09:15:16 PM

gimmegimme: FloydA: gimmegimme: FloydA: There is overwhelming evidence that people lived at the same time as dinosaurs.  Most people don't know about it, but it's true.

Dude, The Flintstones was not a documentary.

Even evolutionists like Jack Horner and Ernst Mayr admit that humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time.  There are a small minority of scientists, like Alan Feduccia and Larry Martin, who deny it, but if you ask most scientists, in private, they will admit that humans and dinosaurs are contemporaries.  The famous evolutionist Jared Diamond has even gone to places like New Guinea in search of living dinosaurs.

Well, if you're noting something like Coelacanth, that's fine, but if you're saying that Jack Horner believes that early humans were hanging out with T-Rexes, well, you sillypants.


I think I may have made the point a bit clearer in my post above, birds ARE dinosaurs, and are actually not too terribly distant relatives from ol' T. rex itself--and rather closer still to dromaeosaurs, the "raptors" of movie infamy.  (In fact, birds and dromies are generally considered to be sister groups, and there have been proposals to even frankly reclassify Archaeopteryx as a dromie proper.  Tyrannosaurs are a bit more distant, but still well within the Maniraptora and there are even some older members of the tyrannosaur clade that had feathers and would probably pass as toothy flightless birds if spotted nowadays.  Dromies like Deinonychus and Velociraptor would pass even more so as "toothy birds".)
 
2013-06-21 09:26:36 PM

FloydA: gimmegimme: FloydA: gimmegimme: FloydA: There is overwhelming evidence that people lived at the same time as dinosaurs.  Most people don't know about it, but it's true.

Dude, The Flintstones was not a documentary.

Even evolutionists like Jack Horner and Ernst Mayr admit that humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time.  There are a small minority of scientists, like Alan Feduccia and Larry Martin, who deny it, but if you ask most scientists, in private, they will admit that humans and dinosaurs are contemporaries.  The famous evolutionist Jared Diamond has even gone to places like New Guinea in search of living dinosaurs.

Well, if you're noting something like Coelacanth, that's fine, but if you're saying that Jack Horner believes that early humans were hanging out with T-Rexes, well, you sillypants.

The Coelacanth is a fish, not a dinosaur.  Many people have seen dinosaurs, and some even claim to have eaten dinosaur meat, but the media don't talk about it much.  It's an open secret among taxonomists though - they all know.


I have eaten different kinds of dinosaur meat, and (by and large) they are all awesome. :D

Archaic-body-form theropod dinosaur, interestingly, does tend to taste a bit like very lean beef--cooked rare, it's not bad at all.  Water-based dinosaur is better yet, though (and tends to be surprisingly good with sweet stuffings and dressings; the water-living dinosaurs tend to be just a bit fatty and a good citrus or plum sauce complements the rich meat nicely).

We also seem to have a wee bit of a gift for preparing a particular clade of theropod dinosaur (Galliformes)--there was a guy (who also made a big deal out of being a member of a certain honourary order in Kentucky of Good Fellows) who did some real wonders with pressure-cooked dinosaur, and there were also some very interesting things done by his rather less-well-known wife and brother (honestly, I prefer his brother's recipe for Southern Dinosaur, but that's my own two pence).  Even the likes of Stephen Colbert have sang the praises of dinosauriform a la Kentucky.  (That said--some nice herbs and a rotisserie oven also work very well for it.)

And then there's also a larger galliform theropod that tends to make some good eating--not just in the traditional manner as supposedly introduced by the Narrangassett First Nation (who had apparently hunted wild dinosaurs for food and had even domesticated them in part) but even--get ready for this--things like dinosaur cold-cuts and dinosaur sausage.

(There are also some other little galliform dinosaurs that are good eating as well, as well as some Columbiformes theropod dinosaurs, but generally you need more than one of those for a meal unless you're going for a small one or have a number of sides.  There are people who do truly sing the praises of a meal of the smaller galliforms or columbiforms, though, enough that there are established Dinosaur Hunting Seasons for them in much of this country.)
 
2013-06-21 09:30:29 PM

Abuse Liability: megarian: Abuse Liability: megarian: Magorn: megarian: Abuse Liability: megarian: Pointy Tail of Satan: There should be a whole section on these creationist pylons in the DSM-V.

Albert Ellis thought so, too. Smart guy.

You better lookout, Magorn is in this thread and he's making your similar-appearing name look bad.  He fell for the troll (in his own words) hook, line and sinker

Oh no....

Now I need a clever alt.

But I've been drinking. So...so that's nice. I forgot what the question was.

/*shakes fist* damn you, Magorn! You had better be way hotter and smarter than me!
//if people are confused, I'd rather them think I'm magnificently sexy and clever

Without knowing what you look like or even you gender, I'm gonna say it's a very safe bet I am in no way hotter than you, and as for smarter? Well I did get suckered by the troll didn't I?

Alright....without knowing you, I can tell you that you are smarter than me. My first major is an art major. And I don't even click the politics tab because...well, as much as I like S&M, I'm not THAT into pain.

So it's not hard to be smarter than me. Also, I live in Detroit. By choice.

As far as hot goes...pics or it didn't happen.

Yeah, it just occured to me its pretty cowardly to hide behind a blank profile.  Especially with all the shiat I was talking in the speedo thread.

/corrected

Thanks for the cute overload/diabetes ya jerk.

You are welcome. Also, my penis is gigantic-ish

/might as well go all out if I'm going to flirt


Well, go big or go home.

And my penis is gigantic-ish, too!
 
2013-06-21 09:41:15 PM
/corrected

Thanks for the cute overload/diabetes ya jerk.

You are welcome. Also, my penis is gigantic-ish

/might as well go all out if I'm going to flirt

Well, go big or go home.

And my penis is gigantic-ish, too!


Pics or it didn't happen
 
2013-06-21 10:08:33 PM
I've seen this billboard in Oregon.
img.fark.net

Remember, outside of the cities, Oregon is very much a red state.
 
2013-06-21 11:06:47 PM

Pitabred: give me doughnuts: big pig peaches: Valiente: make me some tea: gimmegimme: Cythraul: gimmegimme: Your tax dollars at work...

Tax dollars?! Tax dollars pay for that place?

Link

Link

Oh...

wow.

Welcome to Ameriran, chump. The reversible osmosis of church and state is in full effect.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. The money was probably for roads and other infrastructure. They do the same for stadiums and malls. Tourist tax dollars are good even if it comes from stupid people.

A couple of things:

1) Tax incentives are not subsidies: (from the wiki) In May 2011, the Kentucky Tourism Development Finance Authority voted unanimously to grant sales tax rebates of up to 25 percent of project capital costs over a 10-year period up to $43.1 million for the $172 million project that's otherwise being financed by a group of private investors. Ark Encounter will not receive any money up front, but will get a rebate of the sales tax collected after the first year and every year after that for ten years. Groundbreaking for the $172 million Ark Encounter project is expected in August, 2011, at the Grant County site because of approval for tax rebates

2) As of June 2013, ground has not been broken to begin construction of this arson target eyesore.

...incentives aren't subsidies? A subsidy is a reduction of cost to encourage something to happen. So... a rebate of 25% of sales tax on capital costs is pretty much exactly what a subsidy is. If BobCo isn't taxed as much as AliceCo but they ostensibly do similar things, then BobCo is being subsidized. What's worse is that it's the government subsidizing a religious institution. Do they give any new museum that kind of tax incentive?


Yeah, they gave NASCAR a similar exemption.  It's to generate revenue and jobs, not to subsidize development.

A tax break a is not a direct subsidy, as if the state is paying someone to be there.  Instead, the state is collecting less sales tax as an incentive to generate more revenue from jobs and tourist dollars.   It's an indirect subsidy at best, but if the local economy garners more money in income tax from jobs generated then it may end up not being any subsidy at all.  It's lost potential revenue for a limited time, which is a more than normal offering for any business looking to move into an area.  And at the end of the day - that museum is a business.

IIRC, the Democratic governor treated it like a theme park opening.  The only problem people seem to have with it is the subject matter, but if it ends up being a financial net positive for the state, then Kentucky was within its rights to offer a tax break.  Even the NY Times pointed out there wasn't enough wrong with the breaks to sue about them.

Also, this isn't the Ark project.  The Creation Museum is operating at full force.  The Ark Encounter is another nutter project in Kentucky.
 
2013-06-22 03:36:54 AM

Wrath of Heaven: Oh my, this would be a fun PS contest : )

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That would look great as an Abortion-plex.
 
2013-06-22 01:25:04 PM

Lsherm: Pitabred: give me doughnuts: big pig peaches: Valiente: make me some tea: gimmegimme: Cythraul: gimmegimme: Your tax dollars at work...


Yeah, they gave NASCAR a similar exemption.  It's to generate revenue and jobs, not to subsidize development.

A tax break a is not a direct subsidy, as if the state is paying someone to be there.  Instead, the state is collecting less sales tax as an incentive to generate more revenue from jobs and tourist dollars.   It's an indirect subsidy at best, but if the local economy garners more money in income tax from jobs generated then it may end up not being any subsidy at all.  It's lost potential revenue for a limited time, which is a more than normal offering for any business looking to move into an area.  And at the end of the day - that museum is a business.

IIRC, the Democratic governor treated it like a theme park opening.  The only problem people seem to have with it is the subject matter, but if it ends up being a financial net positive for the state, then Kentucky was within its rights to offer a tax break.  Even the NY Times pointed out there wasn't enough wrong with the breaks to sue about them.

Also, this isn't the Ark project.  The Creation Museum is operating at full force.  The Ark Encounter is another nutter project in Kentucky


The biggest issue is that it's a religious institution, and the government is theoretically secular.
 
2013-06-22 07:18:15 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Someone in Kentucky should float the idea of a Muslim museum funded by taxpayer money, and see what happens. Should be good for a few laughs...


If it was a for-profit business they would have to.
 
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