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2013-06-21 01:06:12 PM
Paperbacks are still the best for taking to places like the beach. I love my ebooks, but I don't want to take any of my ereaders.
 
2013-06-21 01:45:51 PM
The library will just be thirty empty shelves with a lonely Kindle on one.
 
2013-06-21 01:50:04 PM
You can have my paperbacks when you pry them out of my cold, dead hands.
 
2013-06-21 01:57:03 PM
Midget Diarrhea Bazooka is the future of publisihing!
 
2013-06-21 01:58:49 PM

EvilEgg: Paperbacks are still the best for taking to places like the beach. I love my ebooks, but I don't want to take any of my ereaders.


big ass ziploc bag and voila, waterproof ereader.
 
2013-06-21 02:16:50 PM
I thought the trend was getting rid of the normal $8-10 paperbacks and replacing them with "Trade" paperbacks that are twice as expensive and much less portable?
 
2013-06-21 02:36:55 PM
I want to give 10,000 paper cuts to the asshole of the asshole that decided to start making paperbacks the size of hardbacks.  I buy paperbacks so they fit in a pocket and fly accurately at spiders on the wall.
 
2013-06-21 02:43:43 PM

frepnog: EvilEgg: Paperbacks are still the best for taking to places like the beach. I love my ebooks, but I don't want to take any of my ereaders.

big ass ziploc bag and voila, waterproof ereader.


also works in bathtubs!
 
2013-06-21 02:45:42 PM
I could see it happening.  You want cheap, get digital, you want physical, get hardback.  But I've still resisted digital for books because there's plenty of bargain and used selection out there for cheaper.  That's subject to change in the future.

I've embraced digital for music though because at least for non-radio stuff I listen to, it's a lot cheaper than CDs (some bands don't even have them, or if foreign you have to import with all those ridiculous fees and waiting time) and used would be incredibly hard to find.
 
2013-06-21 02:48:59 PM

12349876: I could see it happening.  You want cheap, get digital, you want physical, get hardback.  But I've still resisted digital for books because there's plenty of bargain and used selection out there for cheaper.  That's subject to change in the future.

I've embraced digital for music though because at least for non-radio stuff I listen to, it's a lot cheaper than CDs (some bands don't even have them, or if foreign you have to import with all those ridiculous fees and waiting time) and used would be incredibly hard to find.


digital from the library is the best and worst of both worlds. You get free books (legally) without leaving your house from a pretty good selection. The annoying thing is they still make you wait in a line like you would for physical books.
 
2013-06-21 02:57:11 PM

Carth: digital from the library is the best and worst of both worlds. You get free books (legally) without leaving your house from a pretty good selection. The annoying thing is they still make you wait in a line like you would for physical books.


Limited number of licenses.

I still check out ebooks from the Denver library and I haven't lived in Colorado since 2010.  The DRM is easy  removed, too.  Whoever thinks ebooks can kill the second-hand market is delusional.
 
2013-06-21 03:04:28 PM

Galileo's Daughter: You can have my paperbacks when you pry them out of my cold, dead hands.


So much this.
 
2013-06-21 03:12:40 PM
E-readers have killed paperbacks (and magazines) for me.

I still buy nice hardcover editions of my favorite books and authors, and intend to keep doing that.

But I don't buy paperbacks anymore.  Anything that I previously would have bought as "disposable" reading (paperbacks and magazines) I now read on my Nook or iPad.
 
jgi
2013-06-21 03:22:50 PM

Carth: The annoying thing is they still make you wait in a line like you would for physical books.


Artificial scarcity is absolutely stupid. We're pretty much post-scarcity when it comes to digital media. I don't deny that producers need to be paid. And while I don't have the answer to our digital media issues, I don't think artificial scarcity is good at all. Why should you have to wait to watch Game of Thrones from iTunes? You should be able to purchase the episode immediately after it airs. You shouldn't have to wait in line for an ebook. These policies are driving people to piracy because it's just less of a hassle.
 
2013-06-21 03:30:02 PM
In one of my favorite sci/fi books, the protagonists visit a rich mutual friend who had "real books" that had that "scent" to them.
/Funny thing is, most of the "future tech" from that book is already true...
 
2013-06-21 03:38:14 PM
E-book sales are big...in English. And by English, I mean 'North America'. In other languages and countries, not so much. Paperbacks aren't going anywhere for a while.
 
2013-06-21 03:46:53 PM
One annoying property of the nook I recently found - when you follow a footnote, there is a 'back' link on the top of the page that gets you back to the page you left. So far so good; that's great. But if the footnote breaks onto a subsequent page, the back link disappears when you advance the page, so you're stuck there and have to manually navigate back to the page you left. It's very annoying. It boggles my mind that that kind of thing would slip through.

It's rarely a problem with footnotes in print, though endnotes are similarly irritating. Endnotes in print are worse even, when they're all at the end of the book organized by chapter, and there are no headers to tell you where in the endnotes you are, nor to tell you which chapter you were reading when you saw the endnote. It really does amaze me that editors don't make this easier for readers - it's not hard to make it so obvious that no one could possibly waste time trying to find an endnote, so why not do it?

/also, it would be great if subby had linked to the first page of this article (or the option to view as a single page)...
 
2013-06-21 03:48:16 PM
I just wish they would create a system to turn your paperbacks over for e-versions, I would pay a small fee to be able to give over my paper version for an e-version... though I doubt a good number of my paperbooks are going to currently availabe in an e-reader format.  I love all the books that I have and I do not want to get rid of the info but my last move almost made me lose some friends.  Those suckers get heavy quickly.
 
2013-06-21 04:01:13 PM
Do they also want to skip the first part of the article like the link?
 
2013-06-21 04:05:32 PM

12349876: I could see it happening.  You want cheap, get digital, you want physical, get hardback.  But I've still resisted digital for books because there's plenty of bargain and used selection out there for cheaper.  That's subject to change in the future.
.


What if I want cheap and physical?
 
2013-06-21 04:11:23 PM

stevetherobot: 12349876: I could see it happening.  You want cheap, get digital, you want physical, get hardback.  But I've still resisted digital for books because there's plenty of bargain and used selection out there for cheaper.  That's subject to change in the future.
.

What if I want cheap and physical?


That's what submitter's mom is for
 
2013-06-21 04:11:57 PM
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/Obligatory.
 
2013-06-21 04:12:25 PM
Book deleting is not as dramatic as book burning.
 
2013-06-21 04:17:52 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: [img.fark.net image 382x660]

/Obligatory.


Seems like that image has been around a long time. Has VHS tape but not SD card or online storage?
 
2013-06-21 04:19:11 PM

Carth: 12349876: I could see it happening.  You want cheap, get digital, you want physical, get hardback.  But I've still resisted digital for books because there's plenty of bargain and used selection out there for cheaper.  That's subject to change in the future.

I've embraced digital for music though because at least for non-radio stuff I listen to, it's a lot cheaper than CDs (some bands don't even have them, or if foreign you have to import with all those ridiculous fees and waiting time) and used would be incredibly hard to find.

digital from the library is the best and worst of both worlds. You get free books (legally) without leaving your house from a pretty good selection. The annoying thing is they still make you wait in a line like you would for physical books.


Meh. My library doesn't seem to have a limit to the number of digital holds, so I just load it up like a Netflix queue.

Anyway, I haven't bought a physical book in 2 years and doubt I ever will again.

E-book skeptics need to wake up and enter the 21st century.
 
2013-06-21 04:27:35 PM
frepnog
EvilEgg: Paperbacks are still the best for taking to places like the beach. I love my ebooks, but I don't want to take any of my ereaders.

big ass ziploc bag and voila, waterproof ereader.


The guy stealing your ereader while you're swimming will appreciate that idea.
 
2013-06-21 04:32:46 PM

The Voice of Doom: frepnog
EvilEgg: Paperbacks are still the best for taking to places like the beach. I love my ebooks, but I don't want to take any of my ereaders.

big ass ziploc bag and voila, waterproof ereader.

The guy stealing your ereader while you're swimming will appreciate that idea.


Yea, as opposed to my wallet, car keys, sunglasses and cell phone which are in the bag right next to it? You need to either go to better beaches or leave someone with your stuff when you swim.

thornhill: Carth: 12349876: I could see it happening.  You want cheap, get digital, you want physical, get hardback.  But I've still resisted digital for books because there's plenty of bargain and used selection out there for cheaper.  That's subject to change in the future.

I've embraced digital for music though because at least for non-radio stuff I listen to, it's a lot cheaper than CDs (some bands don't even have them, or if foreign you have to import with all those ridiculous fees and waiting time) and used would be incredibly hard to find.

digital from the library is the best and worst of both worlds. You get free books (legally) without leaving your house from a pretty good selection. The annoying thing is they still make you wait in a line like you would for physical books.

Meh. My library doesn't seem to have a limit to the number of digital holds, so I just load it up like a Netflix queue.

Anyway, I haven't bought a physical book in 2 years and doubt I ever will again.

E-book skeptics need to wake up and enter the 21st century.


I've gone mostly digital I still prefer hardcopy for anything with a bunch of pictures and cookbooks.
 
2013-06-21 04:42:40 PM

Carth: I've gone mostly digital I still prefer hardcopy for anything with a bunch of pictures and cookbooks.


I strongly prefer e-books for cookbooks because:

1) The bindings tend to break over time from pressing them flat so that they remain open while cooking;
2) Cookbooks tend to be big and bulky, becoming a pain in the ass when you move; and
3) By having all of my cookbooks in the cloud, I can pull them up on my phone or tablet when discussing recipes with friends when I'm away from my house.
 
2013-06-21 05:13:27 PM
Wow. As usual, business school graduates ahve no clue what the book, as an artefact, does. Depressing.
 
2013-06-21 05:15:05 PM
By the time I was 17 I had about 400 hardbound books and worked in a book store to get my discount fix. All I can say is..

This:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The library will just be thirty empty shelves with a lonely Kindle on one.


Let's be honest here folks. Physical libraries will be great and all for the coming Zombie Apocalypse. The truth of the matter is no one cares what you have read. It may be a talking point to fill the void in a conversation, but that's about it.

/If you want a decent and probably unexpected read.. I can't see your body language to determine if you do, so, try this.
//Link goes to kindle book.
 
2013-06-21 05:19:27 PM
My paperbacks won't cause the jet to crash.
 
2013-06-21 05:42:39 PM
EvilEgg: Paperbacks are still the best for taking to places like the beach.

I read more than the average person (I own two kindles), but, why the hell am I reading at the beach?

// I don't even go to beaches here in CA, I was spoiled by the crystal clear waters of my homeland. If I can't see the bottom, I'm not getting in the water.
 
2013-06-21 05:45:20 PM
Ego edo infantia cattus: /Obligatory.

so basically, all media degrades over time, so you have to weigh how often you have to copy that media to new media, against how difficult it is to copy that media to new media.

And I would wager that it's a lot easier to copy a CD/DVD worth of data to a new CD/DVD HD, whatever. Than it is to copy the contents of a stone tablet to another stone tablet.
 
2013-06-21 06:36:44 PM

stevetherobot: 12349876: I could see it happening.  You want cheap, get digital, you want physical, get hardback.  But I've still resisted digital for books because there's plenty of bargain and used selection out there for cheaper.  That's subject to change in the future.
.

What if I want cheap and physical?


Buy the ebook and print it yourself.
 
2013-06-21 06:50:33 PM

thornhill: Meh. My library doesn't seem to have a limit to the number of digital holds, so I just load it up like a Netflix queue.

Anyway, I haven't bought a physical book in 2 years and doubt I ever will again.

E-book skeptics need to wake up and enter the 21st century.


I can still get a lot of the books i want to read cheaper as a dead tree than i can as an ebook. Untill that gets fixed i'll buy what ever is cheaper as the 21st century has proven its full of monopolists as the 20th, 19th, 18th etc etc.
 
2013-06-21 07:09:44 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The library will just be thirty empty shelves with a lonely Kindle on one.


theinfosphere.org
 
2013-06-21 07:53:22 PM

Norfolking Chance: thornhill: Meh. My library doesn't seem to have a limit to the number of digital holds, so I just load it up like a Netflix queue.

Anyway, I haven't bought a physical book in 2 years and doubt I ever will again.

E-book skeptics need to wake up and enter the 21st century.

I can still get a lot of the books i want to read cheaper as a dead tree than i can as an ebook. Untill that gets fixed i'll buy what ever is cheaper as the 21st century has proven its full of monopolists as the 20th, 19th, 18th etc etc.


I used to be a used book addict, going into a store and picking up a dozen books for several dollars each. But I rather pay more for the e-book so not to have the clutter.

I'm also able to read more often with e-books -- as long as I have my iPhone with me I always have access to what I'm reading -- and it's a lot easier when traveling.
 
2013-06-21 08:42:21 PM
As a former obsessive book buyer, I'll say it's just as satisfying to obsessively accumulate ebooks. Complete library of the classics? Boom. Done. Free. It's pretty easy to get sucked into browsing Calibre for a couple hours when you were just looking for something to read. Is it as cool as a huge library or used book store? No, but the hours are better and you don't need pants.
 
2013-06-21 08:54:08 PM
Even though I have books on my ipad, i much prefer to read books on paper.  Does that make me old and lame?
 
2013-06-21 09:36:43 PM

thornhill: I used to be a used book addict, going into a store and picking up a dozen books for several dollars each. But I rather pay more for the e-book so not to have the clutter.


Sell them back.
 
2013-06-21 10:10:45 PM

12349876: thornhill: I used to be a used book addict, going into a store and picking up a dozen books for several dollars each. But I rather pay more for the e-book so not to have the clutter.

Sell them back.


That's getting harder and harder these days - few used book stores buy books anymore, and those that do pay almost nothing.
 
2013-06-21 10:37:52 PM

lordargent: EvilEgg: Paperbacks are still the best for taking to places like the beach.

I read more than the average person (I own two kindles), but, why the hell am I reading at the beach?

// I don't even go to beaches here in CA, I was spoiled by the crystal clear waters of my homeland. If I can't see the bottom, I'm not getting in the water.


And you need to get there in 26 minutes, I bet.
 
2013-06-21 11:19:39 PM
Patrick Nolan, vice president and associate publisher of Penguin Books-who sent me The Book of Penguin before we spoke-agrees. "Everyone in publishing talks about discoverability," he says, "and no one would argue that it's easier when there aren't physical copies of books around. There's no substitute."

I would argue it's easier online, and I'd argue vehemently.  It's far easier for me to find new books on the Kindle because I don't have to spend hours in a damn bookstore looking at the spines of thousands of books stacked haphazardly around a room, only to grab one because of the archaic concept of cover art (or spine art).  Online, I can search by subject matter, look for recommendations, see what friends are reading, or just start clicking at random.

People who make statements like that are people who think shopping for a book is as important as reading a book.  I'd rather read a bad book for two hours instead of spending two hours searching for a bad book.

Also:

 The purpose of print books will evolve, too, Nash believes. They will become art objects imbued with nostalgia, akin to vinyl records and Polaroid cameras. As e-books increasingly become our main means of digesting literature, print books of every binding will stop being mass-produced and start becoming more "bespoke," Nash says. But he hastens to add that it's at least another decade before that happens. "Physical books have a tremendous hold on our imaginations. The changes will be quite slow and incremental."

He's almost right, but he's dead wrong on the last point.  Five years, tops, and most of the book sales will be digital.  Books that still require paper, like art and reference, will be around.  Lee Child's 30th Jack Reacher novel?  All digital, with a limited run for old people who refuse to adjust.
 
2013-06-22 12:52:53 AM

HighZoolander: 12349876: thornhill: I used to be a used book addict, going into a store and picking up a dozen books for several dollars each. But I rather pay more for the e-book so not to have the clutter.

Sell them back.

That's getting harder and harder these days - few used book stores buy books anymore, and those that do pay almost nothing.


Half Price will buy anything.  Of course the price is shiatty, but it's easy and it clears up clutter, which was the problem I was responding to.
 
2013-06-22 12:54:45 AM

12349876: HighZoolander: 12349876: thornhill: I used to be a used book addict, going into a store and picking up a dozen books for several dollars each. But I rather pay more for the e-book so not to have the clutter.

Sell them back.

That's getting harder and harder these days - few used book stores buy books anymore, and those that do pay almost nothing.

Half Price will buy anything.  Of course the price is shiatty, but it's easy and it clears up clutter, which was the problem I was responding to.


And it's more than you would get selling your ebook at this point in time.  I'm well aware that technology to sell digital stuff like you would in the used market is being developed.
 
2013-06-22 12:55:05 AM

Alonjar: Even though I have books on my ipad, i much prefer to read books on paper.  Does that make me old and lame?


Yes, we are
 
2013-06-22 01:13:54 AM

12349876: HighZoolander: 12349876: thornhill: I used to be a used book addict, going into a store and picking up a dozen books for several dollars each. But I rather pay more for the e-book so not to have the clutter.

Sell them back.

That's getting harder and harder these days - few used book stores buy books anymore, and those that do pay almost nothing.

Half Price will buy anything.  Of course the price is shiatty, but it's easy and it clears up clutter, which was the problem I was responding to.


Yeah, it's a good way to clear up clutter, but you'd do just as well to donate them or throw them away - it's barely worth the effort to sell them (I can think of one place near me that buys used books, but it can take an hour or two for the buyer to get to them, and it's almost not worth the time for the amount they pay).
 
2013-06-22 01:40:25 AM

HighZoolander: 12349876: HighZoolander: 12349876: thornhill: I used to be a used book addict, going into a store and picking up a dozen books for several dollars each. But I rather pay more for the e-book so not to have the clutter.

Sell them back.

That's getting harder and harder these days - few used book stores buy books anymore, and those that do pay almost nothing.

Half Price will buy anything.  Of course the price is shiatty, but it's easy and it clears up clutter, which was the problem I was responding to.

Yeah, it's a good way to clear up clutter, but you'd do just as well to donate them or throw them away - it's barely worth the effort to sell them (I can think of one place near me that buys used books, but it can take an hour or two for the buyer to get to them, and it's almost not worth the time for the amount they pay).


I've never waited more than a half hour at Half Price Books (and it can be a lot shorter depending on the traffic), and I'm spending all that time looking for books to buy.  Every clearance book in the genres I like get a look, you never know what gems you'll find.  You would be wasting a lot of time though if you don't build up at least a shopping bag full of stuff before you go.
 
2013-06-22 01:44:50 AM

12349876: HighZoolander: 12349876: HighZoolander: 12349876: thornhill: I used to be a used book addict, going into a store and picking up a dozen books for several dollars each. But I rather pay more for the e-book so not to have the clutter.

Sell them back.

That's getting harder and harder these days - few used book stores buy books anymore, and those that do pay almost nothing.

Half Price will buy anything.  Of course the price is shiatty, but it's easy and it clears up clutter, which was the problem I was responding to.

Yeah, it's a good way to clear up clutter, but you'd do just as well to donate them or throw them away - it's barely worth the effort to sell them (I can think of one place near me that buys used books, but it can take an hour or two for the buyer to get to them, and it's almost not worth the time for the amount they pay).

I've never waited more than a half hour at Half Price Books (and it can be a lot shorter depending on the traffic), and I'm spending all that time looking for books to buy.  Every clearance book in the genres I like get a look, you never know what gems you'll find.  You would be wasting a lot of time though if you don't build up at least a shopping bag full of stuff before you go.


And to clarify that, you wouldn't want to take 1 book a week in there, but doing 26 books twice a year is fine.

/adjust based on personal reading habits
 
2013-06-22 02:53:42 AM

12349876: 12349876: HighZoolander: 12349876: HighZoolander: 12349876: thornhill: I used to be a used book addict, going into a store and picking up a dozen books for several dollars each. But I rather pay more for the e-book so not to have the clutter.

Sell them back.

That's getting harder and harder these days - few used book stores buy books anymore, and those that do pay almost nothing.

Half Price will buy anything.  Of course the price is shiatty, but it's easy and it clears up clutter, which was the problem I was responding to.

Yeah, it's a good way to clear up clutter, but you'd do just as well to donate them or throw them away - it's barely worth the effort to sell them (I can think of one place near me that buys used books, but it can take an hour or two for the buyer to get to them, and it's almost not worth the time for the amount they pay).

I've never waited more than a half hour at Half Price Books (and it can be a lot shorter depending on the traffic), and I'm spending all that time looking for books to buy.  Every clearance book in the genres I like get a look, you never know what gems you'll find.  You would be wasting a lot of time though if you don't build up at least a shopping bag full of stuff before you go.

And to clarify that, you wouldn't want to take 1 book a week in there, but doing 26 books twice a year is fine.

/adjust based on personal reading habits


Half price books may be decent, but the closest one to me is about 350 miles away, so that's not going to work too well.
 
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