abfalter: This makes me sad. I see no chance of him being convicted. And he should be, he really should be.
Mid_mo_mad_man: I have a question for the Farkers claim Zimmerman stalked and killed Martin. If the thug was scared of Zimmerman why didn't he call 911? He had a phone on him.
Magnanimous_J: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I see the Stormfront contingent is up early today.When the facts aren't on your side, cry racism.Go fark yourself with a rake.
Phinn: gimmegimme: Remember...no one HAD to be shot that night.Everything you say on these threads is wrong. Wrong factually. Wrong legally.Here's the bottom line -- There is insufficient evidence to rebut the presumption that Zimmerman reasonably believed he HAD to shoot Martin to stop Martin's use of force against him.
Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I see the Stormfront contingent is up early today.
Nutsac_Jim: gimmegimme: Zimmy started the fight by stalking the 17-year-old boy. If someone is following you around in this manner, you have the right to stand your ground and to defend yourself from the armed man who won't stop following you, first in a vehicle and then on foot.Interesting. Where is your evidence that Mr Martin asked Mr Zimmerman to stop following him.
Phinn: gimmegimme: Zimmy started the fight by stalking the 17-year-old boy. If someone is following you around in this manner, you have the right to stand your ground and to defend yourself from the armed man who won't stop following you, first in a vehicle and then on foot.No, you don't. The attack must be imminent. There's no evidence Martin was attacked, or under imminent attack.
IdBeCrazyIf: I'm a little surprised they got all women
Nutsac_Jim: jaytkay: Nutsac_Jim: jaytkay: gimmegimme: Some Zim fans claim that Martin was never assaulted.Nutsac_Jim: I know of no people who assert that Zimmerman did not kill MartinIs that an ignorant response or intentional dishonesty?OK. Show me one person post in this thread or some other thread that saysthat the one armed man killed Treyvon Martin, not Zimmerman.So dishonest. Thanks for clearing that up.Show me the post in this thread that states that someone else killed Treyvon or else you are a sac of dung.
Phinn: gimmegimme: For the eightieth time, I'm very happy we'll have the criminal justice system sort the issue out.That's patently untrue. You're making dozens of assertions about the legal significance of everything from GZ's conversation with the police, to GZ's car, his gun, and his movements, etc. All of which have been completely wrong.You're clearly not waiting for the criminal justice system to operate. You have reached a highly-emotional, ill-informed, legally-baseless conclusion about Zimmerman's supposed guilt, and you're defending it like it's the last shred of your dignity.gimmegimme: You must admit that some of your self-defense discussion applies to Martin.I do. The law applies to everyone, all the time. Unfortunately, you don't know what the law is, and so in the place of that knowledge, all you have are wild guesses and a profoundly contorted sense of equity.gimmegimme: He didn't know what the fark Zimmy was up to. He didn't know if Zimmy wanted to kidnap him, rape him, shoot him...whatever. If Zimmy had a right to self-defense, why didn't Martin?Not knowing what someone is up to is not the same thing as an imminent threat of bodily harm. It's suspicion. Why can't you understand this basic concept?Martin DID have the right to self-defense. And, more importantly, if he had lived and GZ had died, he would also have the presumption of innocence as to any self-defense claim he may have made.The problem you have been unable to resolve is that there is no evidence to disprove GZ's claim that he acted in self-defense.
gimmegimme: For the eightieth time, I'm very happy we'll have the criminal justice system sort the issue out.
gimmegimme: You must admit that some of your self-defense discussion applies to Martin.
gimmegimme: He didn't know what the fark Zimmy was up to. He didn't know if Zimmy wanted to kidnap him, rape him, shoot him...whatever. If Zimmy had a right to self-defense, why didn't Martin?
Mid_mo_mad_man: Thug acted all gangster
Mid_mo_mad_man: If it wasn't for Jesse Jackass and the like this would have never gone to trail.
s2s2s2: gimmegimme: Hey, it's not me determining the extent of Zimmy's injuries. The doctors kept him in the hospital for several weeks for a reason, right? The surgeons who put his face back together knew what they were doing. They're heroes.Guy following you? License to kill!Guy beating you up? HEY! He's just an unarmed kid!
gimmegimme: Some Zim fans claim that Martin was never assaulted.
Nutsac_Jim: I know of no people who assert that Zimmerman did not kill Martin
RisaTravelAgent: Looks to me like he targeted him because he was black. Evidence is the racial slurs(supposedly unintelligible) in the 911 call. If it was a 17 yo white kid wearing his letter jacket Z would have headed home to watch reruns of Cops and read the latest Guns and Ammo.Z was told not to pursue from police and he did anyway. That's why this kid id dead.
gimmegimme: Five of the jurors are mothers; here's hoping they'll think about what it's like when your 17-year-old kid is shot down in cold blood with a can of iced tea in his hand.
Nutsac_Jim: gimmegimme: Nutsac_Jim: gimmegimme: Nutsac_Jim: gimmegimme: At the very least, I would just like Zim fans to admit that it's a really pussy move to pretend you're Dirty Harry and then shoot a kid in the chest when you're losing the fight you started.Where is your evidence that one person started assaulting the other? If it is just in your mind, it is irrelevant.If you look at the autopsy, you'll find that Martin was shot in the chest at intermediate range.Well, why dont you post us a link? I have never seen it.What does that have to do with backing up your statement that Zimmerman started the battery?An autopsy report, it just shows us who won. We already know that one.But just for giggle. Fatty Mcfat was in fisticuffs lost, somehow outgrappled and outran the football player.then says, 'im gonna get you sukka 'and shoots Martinin the chest. (why is Martin not running and thus, shot in the back?)Hey, how far is 'intermediate range'? That seems kind of vague.Are your Google fingers broken? Zimmy shot Martin from "inches away from the teenager."How does being 'inches away from the teenager' prove who started the assault?
Profedius: Given Martin's lifestyle at the time of the attack I feel really comfortable in concluding that society is much better off without him as a member.
gimmegimme: If Zimmy had followed the advice of the 911 operator...no one would have been shot.
gimmegimme: If Zimmy hadn't decided he was going to play lawman...no one would have been shot.
gimmegimme: If Zimmy hadn't gotten out of the car to continue his armed pursuit on foot...no one would have been shot.
gimmegimme: If Zimmy had waited in his car for the cops to arrive...no one would have been shot.
gimmegimme: If Zimmy hadn't followed his prey between the houses...no one would have been shot.
gimmegimme: Please admit that you can at least see how Martin could have been scared of the creepy weirdo who was following him around for so long in a vehicle and then on foot.
gimmegimme: Who threw the first punch and how do you know?
jfivealive: occamswrist: I love these threads...Martin was probably looking around at the houses because it was his first time there and he didn't know where he was going and Zimmerman misinterpreted it as a kid unnecesarily standing around in the rain casing the houses.Yep both of them made incorrect perceptions as to what was going on. Its really too bad Zimmerman didn't just stay in his care and wait for the police. Poor decision on his part, but still not illegal, just stupid.
Abuse Liability: So tired of hearing these arguments, Zimmerman sounds like a coward that got in way over his head pretending to be a badass. At which point, Treyvon, after losing zimmerman, decided to confront the super sleuth, ended up attacking him (as evidenced by the wounds to the back of the scalp) and zimmerman shot him in self-defense. Obviously, this is up for the jury to decide after hearing the evidence, but he'll likely walk (as he should), because being a wannabe badass isn't a crime. Just makes him a really disappointing human being.
Nutsac_Jim: gimmegimme: Five of the jurors are mothers; here's hoping they'll think about what it's like when your 17-year-old kid is shot down in cold blood with a can of iced tea in his hand.Dont forget that he was carrying his grandfathers medicine to him, and going to make a donation to Mother Teresa's charity and ignore the beating.
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