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2013-06-21 10:27:13 AM  
6 votes:

abfalter: This makes me sad.  I see no chance of him being convicted.  And he should be, he really should be.


Exactly why you never belong on a jury.
2013-06-21 10:40:11 AM  
3 votes:
So tired of hearing these arguments,  Zimmerman sounds like a coward that got in way over his head pretending to be a badass.  At which point, Treyvon, after losing zimmerman, decided to confront the super sleuth, ended up attacking him (as evidenced by the wounds to the back of the scalp) and zimmerman shot him in self-defense.  Obviously, this is up for the jury to decide after hearing the evidence, but he'll likely walk (as he should), because being a wannabe badass isn't a crime. Just makes him a really disappointing human being.
2013-06-21 12:38:50 PM  
2 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: I have a question for the Farkers claim Zimmerman stalked and killed Martin. If the thug was scared of Zimmerman why didn't he call 911? He had a phone on him.


You should be a criminal defense attorney.

You: "Your honor, the young girl did not call 911. Therefore she could not have been raped"
Judge: "I see your point. Case closed. Not guilty!"

Conservative logic. Always good for laughs.
2013-06-21 11:50:35 AM  
2 votes:
When did "race baiter" become such a favorite term among white-power enthusiasts?

Did that come from AM radio?
2013-06-21 11:42:50 AM  
2 votes:

Magnanimous_J: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I see the Stormfront contingent is up early today.


When the facts aren't on your side, cry racism.


Go fark yourself with a rake.



Looks to me like he targeted him because he was black.  Evidence is the racial slurs(supposedly unintelligible)  in the 911 call.  If it was a 17 yo white kid wearing his letter jacket Z would have headed home to watch reruns of Cops and read the latest Guns and Ammo.

Z was told not to pursue from police and he did anyway.  That's why this kid id dead.
2013-06-21 11:10:34 AM  
2 votes:

Phinn: gimmegimme: Remember...no one HAD to be shot that night.

Everything you say on these threads is wrong.  Wrong factually.  Wrong legally.

Here's the bottom line -- There is insufficient evidence to rebut the presumption that Zimmerman reasonably believed he HAD to shoot Martin to stop Martin's use of force against him.


If Zimmy had followed the advice of the 911 operator...no one would have been shot.  If Zimmy hadn't decided he was going to play lawman...no one would have been shot.   If Zimmy hadn't gotten out of the car to continue his armed pursuit on foot...no one would have been shot.  If Zimmy had waited in his car for the cops to arrive...no one would have been shot.   If Zimmy hadn't followed his prey between the houses...no one would have been shot.

Please admit that you can at least see how Martin could have been scared of the creepy weirdo who was following him around for so long in a vehicle and then on foot.
2013-06-21 10:51:44 AM  
2 votes:

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I see the Stormfront contingent is up early today.



When the facts aren't on your side, cry racism.


Go fark yourself with a rake.
2013-06-21 10:44:01 AM  
2 votes:

Nutsac_Jim: gimmegimme:  
Zimmy started the fight by stalking the 17-year-old boy.  If someone is following you around in this manner, you have the right to stand your ground and to defend yourself from the armed man who won't stop following you, first in a vehicle and then on foot.


Interesting.   Where is your evidence that Mr Martin asked Mr Zimmerman to stop following him.


I never said he asked Zimmy to back off.  We just don't know for sure.  It is clear, however, that Martin took evasive maneuvers to get away from the weirdo who was following him for so long.  If I ride up alongside a woman who is walking on the sidewalk...then I get out of the car and follow her on foot...and she tries to get away from me and I continue pursuit...I'm probably going to have a conversation with some police.

You know, unless I shoot the woman in cold blood first.  Then I get a Band-Aid and head home.
2013-06-21 10:43:28 AM  
2 votes:
I see the Stormfront contingent is up early today.
2013-06-21 10:35:48 AM  
2 votes:

Phinn: gimmegimme: Zimmy started the fight by stalking the 17-year-old boy. If someone is following you around in this manner, you have the right to stand your ground and to defend yourself from the armed man who won't stop following you, first in a vehicle and then on foot.

No, you don't.  The attack must be imminent.  There's no evidence Martin was attacked, or under imminent attack.


Martin knew he was being followed by some weirdo for quite some time, a man who was rolling in a vehicle and then got out on foot.  Was Zimmerman going to kidnap him?  Rape him?  He had no idea.  Martin tried to elude the stranger, but the man would not stop what turned out to be an armed pursuit.
2013-06-21 10:27:48 AM  
2 votes:

abfalter: This makes me sad.  I see no chance of him being convicted.  And he should be, he really should be.


For defending himself from a  gangsta thug?

Nice, stay classy, libs.
2013-06-21 10:26:19 AM  
2 votes:

abfalter: This makes me sad.  I see no chance of him being convicted.  And he should be, he really should be.


how do you know this.
2013-06-21 10:25:01 AM  
2 votes:

IdBeCrazyIf: I'm a little surprised they got all women



Every man they tried to interview was too busy posting on Fark about how he has sketched up some maps with timeline annotations that prove definitively what happened on the night in question.

Every man.
2013-06-21 10:23:56 AM  
2 votes:
This makes me sad.  I see no chance of him being convicted.  And he should be, he really should be.
2013-06-21 01:51:57 PM  
1 vote:

Nutsac_Jim: jaytkay: Nutsac_Jim: jaytkay: gimmegimme: Some Zim fans claim that Martin was never assaulted.

Nutsac_Jim: I know of no people who assert that Zimmerman did not kill Martin

Is that an ignorant response or intentional dishonesty?

OK.  Show me one person post in this thread or some other thread that says
that the one armed man killed Treyvon Martin, not Zimmerman.

So dishonest. Thanks for clearing that up.

Show me the post in this thread that states that someone else killed Treyvon or else you are a sac of dung.


Someone states the obvious - "Some Zim fans claim that Martin was never assaulted".

And you pretend they said, "Zimmerman did not kill Martin".

And you are deeply offended that someone notices your dishonesty. Man up. Act like an adult.
2013-06-21 01:31:30 PM  
1 vote:

Phinn: gimmegimme: For the eightieth time, I'm very happy we'll have the criminal justice system sort the issue out.

That's patently untrue.  You're making dozens of assertions about the legal significance of everything from GZ's conversation with the police, to GZ's car, his gun, and his movements, etc.  All of which have been completely wrong.

You're clearly not waiting for the criminal justice system to operate.  You have reached a highly-emotional, ill-informed, legally-baseless conclusion about Zimmerman's supposed guilt, and you're defending it like it's the last shred of your dignity.

gimmegimme: You must admit that some of your self-defense discussion applies to Martin.

I do.  The law applies to everyone, all the time.  Unfortunately, you don't know what the law is, and so in the place of that knowledge, all you have are wild guesses and a profoundly contorted sense of equity.

gimmegimme: He didn't know what the fark Zimmy was up to. He didn't know if Zimmy wanted to kidnap him, rape him, shoot him...whatever. If Zimmy had a right to self-defense, why didn't Martin?

Not knowing what someone is up to is not the same thing as an imminent threat of bodily harm.  It's suspicion.  Why can't you understand this basic concept?

Martin DID have the right to self-defense.  And, more importantly, if he had lived and GZ had died, he would also have the presumption of innocence as to any self-defense claim he may have made.

The problem you have been unable to resolve is that there is no evidence to disprove GZ's claim that he acted in self-defense.


You must be psychic, as I assure you that I am quite glad that there will be a trial and I am pleased that the system will follow the verdict, whatever it might be.  That's what we do in this country.  (We don't take the law into our own hands.)

And you acknowledge Martin had a right to self-defense.  If the seventeen-year-old African American males of Sanford, Florida have learned nothing else, it's that they must be armed at all times for their own protection.
2013-06-21 01:28:36 PM  
1 vote:

gimmegimme: For the eightieth time, I'm very happy we'll have the criminal justice system sort the issue out.



That's patently untrue.  You're making dozens of assertions about the legal significance of everything from GZ's conversation with the police, to GZ's car, his gun, and his movements, etc.  All of which have been completely wrong.

You're clearly not waiting for the criminal justice system to operate.  You have reached a highly-emotional, ill-informed, legally-baseless conclusion about Zimmerman's supposed guilt, and you're defending it like it's the last shred of your dignity.

gimmegimme: You must admit that some of your self-defense discussion applies to Martin.



I do.  The law applies to everyone, all the time.  Unfortunately, you don't know what the law is, and so in the place of that knowledge, all you have are wild guesses and a profoundly contorted sense of equity.

gimmegimme: He didn't know what the fark Zimmy was up to. He didn't know if Zimmy wanted to kidnap him, rape him, shoot him...whatever. If Zimmy had a right to self-defense, why didn't Martin?



Not knowing what someone is up to is not the same thing as an imminent threat of bodily harm.  It's suspicion.  Why can't you understand this basic concept?

Martin DID have the right to self-defense.  And, more importantly, if he had lived and GZ had died, he would also have the presumption of innocence as to any self-defense claim he may have made.

The problem you have been unable to resolve is that there is no evidence to disprove GZ's claim that he acted in self-defense.
2013-06-21 12:59:32 PM  
1 vote:

Mid_mo_mad_man: Thug acted all gangster


Mid_mo_mad_man: If it wasn't for Jesse Jackass and the like this would have never gone to trail.


Your stormfront is showing.
2013-06-21 12:54:01 PM  
1 vote:

s2s2s2: gimmegimme: Hey, it's not me determining the extent of Zimmy's injuries.  The doctors kept him in the hospital for several weeks for a reason, right?  The surgeons who put his face back together knew what they were doing.  They're heroes.

Guy following you? License to kill!
Guy beating you up? HEY! He's just an unarmed kid!


Black kid walking down the street? License to kill
2013-06-21 12:16:31 PM  
1 vote:
Regardless of the outcome Zim will go down in history as a murderer and a coward. His life is still ruined if he walks. Although not quite as ruined as Martin's.
2013-06-21 12:09:29 PM  
1 vote:

gimmegimme: Some Zim fans claim that Martin was never assaulted.


Nutsac_Jim: I know of no people who assert that Zimmerman did not kill Martin


Is that an ignorant response or intentional dishonesty?
2013-06-21 12:04:09 PM  
1 vote:
gimmegimme:
Wow...we're pretending that folks who throw the term "thug" around in Zimmy threads are implying that Martin was from India?

I guess that song about "strange fruit" could be referring to the mangoes that hang from the trees in Mumbai.


Don't look at me, I was just being snarky.  I don't think Zimmerman is a crazed racist who was hunting for blacks to murder, and I don't think Martin was doing anything illegal that merited being accosted with a gun.

I just think this whole tragedy could have been easily avoided if certain people who are not police hadn't been driving around armed and trying to act like police.
2013-06-21 12:01:59 PM  
1 vote:

RisaTravelAgent: Looks to me like he targeted him because he was black. Evidence is the racial slurs(supposedly unintelligible) in the 911 call. If it was a 17 yo white kid wearing his letter jacket Z would have headed home to watch reruns of Cops and read the latest Guns and Ammo.

Z was told not to pursue from police and he did anyway. That's why this kid id dead.



1. Being racist is not a crime, nor does it deprive you of the right to self-defense, nor is it even relevant in a self-defense case.  There is no law against assuming blacks are more likely to commit crimes.  GZ was not a government agent, and had no obligation whatsoever to go about his life in a race-neutral way.  The law of self-defense applies to everyone, whether they are die-hard racist or the purest-hearted of libby libs.

2. What he was "told by the police" is also not relevant.

  a. GZ was not given an order about what to do or not do,

  b. Even if he had be so "ordered," GZ was not legally obligated to follow the instructions of a police telephone operator, and

  c. There is no evidence that he did not, in fact, actually stop pursuing Martin at that very moment.  Based on the recorded call, he said, "OK" and stopped running.  The altercation occurred very close to that spot only moments later.

Just like gimmegimme, everything you've said is wrong.
2013-06-21 12:00:37 PM  
1 vote:

gimmegimme: Five of the jurors are mothers; here's hoping they'll think about what it's like when your 17-year-old kid is shot down in cold blood with a can of iced tea in his hand.


Actually "Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail" and it's not as innocent as you might think. He bought ingredients for a drug cocktail.
2013-06-21 11:48:47 AM  
1 vote:

Nutsac_Jim: gimmegimme: Nutsac_Jim: gimmegimme: Nutsac_Jim: gimmegimme: At the very least, I would just like Zim fans to admit that it's a really pussy move to pretend you're Dirty Harry and then shoot a kid in the chest when you're losing the fight you started.

Where is your evidence that one person started assaulting the other?    If it is just in your mind, it is irrelevant.

If you look at the autopsy, you'll find that Martin was shot in the chest at intermediate range.

Well, why dont you post us a link?  I have never seen it.

What does that have to do with backing up your statement that Zimmerman started the battery?
An autopsy report, it just shows us who won.  We already know that one.

But just for giggle.  Fatty Mcfat was in fisticuffs lost,  somehow outgrappled and outran the football player.
then says, 'im gonna get you sukka 'and shoots Martinin the chest.  (why is Martin not running and thus, shot in the back?)

Hey, how far is 'intermediate range'?  That seems kind of vague.

Are your Google fingers broken? Zimmy shot Martin from "inches away from the teenager."

How does being 'inches away from the teenager' prove who started the assault?


Some Zim fans claim that Martin was never assaulted.  They're forgetting the gunshot wound in his chest.
2013-06-21 11:37:40 AM  
1 vote:
So I guess the jury's menstrual cycles will all sync up then.

Kinda like in the Politics tab.
2013-06-21 11:31:42 AM  
1 vote:

Profedius: Given Martin's lifestyle at the time of the attack I feel really comfortable in concluding that society is much better off without him as a member.


Zimmerman was the one with the documented history of violence.
2013-06-21 11:25:52 AM  
1 vote:

gimmegimme: If Zimmy had followed the advice of the 911 operator...no one would have been shot.



That's not part of the law of self-defense.

gimmegimme: If Zimmy hadn't decided he was going to play lawman...no one would have been shot.



That's not part of the law of self-defense.

gimmegimme: If Zimmy hadn't gotten out of the car to continue his armed pursuit on foot...no one would have been shot.



That's not part of the law of self-defense.

gimmegimme: If Zimmy had waited in his car for the cops to arrive...no one would have been shot.



That's not part of the law of self-defense.

gimmegimme: If Zimmy hadn't followed his prey between the houses...no one would have been shot.



You haven't proven he was "prey."  People who "prey" on others do not call the police on a recorded line and give them a play-by-play account of their activities and movements.  So, let's say Zimmerman "followed" Martin.  That fact is admitted.

Here, the evidence is that GZ was following Martin at such a distance that he lost sight of him.  That's not an "imminent" attack.

As to what happened exactly after the recorded call ended, when they came to a point when they were close enough that one could possibly pose an imminent threat to the other, there is no evidence as to exactly what happened, and thus no evidence to rebut the presumption that GZ acted in self-defense.

The only evidence that exists is in GZ's favor -- DeeDee the girlfriend has already stated that Martin decided to verbally confront GZ, did so by saying "Why are you following me?" and then violence followed.  Since she was on the phone, she has no means of determining who attacked whom.

gimmegimme: Please admit that you can at least see how Martin could have been scared of the creepy weirdo who was following him around for so long in a vehicle and then on foot.



Being "scared" is not enough to use force in self-defense.  The law says that a person must reasonably believe that force is necessary to prevent an imminent use of force.  (To use lethal force, the standard is the same, except that the threat must also be lethal in nature (i.e., pose a threat of death or serious injury)).

You have no evidence to prove that occurred.
2013-06-21 11:25:05 AM  
1 vote:
An all female jury, with half being minority?  This sounds like a farking setup.   I bet money the prosecutor's argument will go something like this; "Shot this child... more talking... This was somebody's son... more talking...  Defenseless child...  more talking... this childs mother... more talking... killed this mothers child ... more talking... Killed her son...  mothers grief... child... mother.... child... mother... child... mother... child... horrible racist child killing monster...
2013-06-21 11:04:32 AM  
1 vote:

gimmegimme: Who threw the first punch and how do you know?



I don't know.  No one knows (based on the evidence released so far).

Since Zimmerman is presumed innocent, and the evidence is inconclusive, he cannot be convicted.

Pretty simple, really.
2013-06-21 10:57:45 AM  
1 vote:
img.fark.net

When he was shot, Trayvon Martin was not the baby-faced boy in the photo, and the mugshot of George is from a criminal charge 7 years ago, later dropped. (new window)
2013-06-21 10:52:02 AM  
1 vote:

jfivealive: occamswrist: I love these threads...

Martin was probably looking around at the houses because it was his first time there and he didn't know where he was going and Zimmerman misinterpreted it as a kid unnecesarily standing around in the rain casing the houses.

Yep both of them made incorrect perceptions as to what was going on.  Its really too bad Zimmerman didn't just stay in his care and wait for the police.  Poor decision on his part, but still not illegal, just stupid.


At the very least, I would just like Zim fans to admit that it's a really pussy move to pretend you're Dirty Harry and then shoot a kid in the chest when you're losing the fight you started.

It's like pushing over a row of motorcycles and then shooting all of the bikers with a flamethrower when you start getting your ass kicked.
2013-06-21 10:48:15 AM  
1 vote:

Abuse Liability: So tired of hearing these arguments,  Zimmerman sounds like a coward that got in way over his head pretending to be a badass.  At which point, Treyvon, after losing zimmerman, decided to confront the super sleuth, ended up attacking him (as evidenced by the wounds to the back of the scalp) and zimmerman shot him in self-defense.  Obviously, this is up for the jury to decide after hearing the evidence, but he'll likely walk (as he should), because being a wannabe badass isn't a crime. Just makes him a really disappointing human being.



I feel pretty much the same way. I think the popular consensus of Zimmerman as a wannabe cop is probably accurate. I just feel the need to defend him a little bit because of how thoroughly he was railroaded on this whole thing. From showing Martin's five year old picture over and over, to the doctored 911 tapes, to the professional race baiters stirring up trouble.


Both of these men were idiots. One is dead. It's Florida for Christ's sake. What do you exect?
2013-06-21 10:46:26 AM  
1 vote:
Zimmerman's gonna walk because he didnt break the law.  He's just a dickhead. A law abiding dick head.
2013-06-21 10:44:02 AM  
1 vote:

Abuse Liability: So tired of hearing these arguments,  Zimmerman sounds like a coward that got in way over his head pretending to be a badass.  At which point, Treyvon, after losing zimmerman, decided to confront the super sleuth, ended up attacking him (as evidenced by the wounds to the back of the scalp) and zimmerman shot him in self-defense.  Obviously, this is up for the jury to decide after hearing the evidence, but he'll likely walk (as he should), because being a wannabe badass isn't a crime. Just makes him a really disappointing human being.


Bullshiat.
Zimmerman attacked HIM, as evidenced by the corpse.
2013-06-21 10:30:43 AM  
1 vote:

Nutsac_Jim: gimmegimme: Five of the jurors are mothers; here's hoping they'll think about what it's like when your 17-year-old kid is shot down in cold blood with a can of iced tea in his hand.

Dont forget that he was carrying his grandfathers medicine to him, and going to make a donation to Mother Teresa's charity and ignore the beating.


Zimmy started the fight by stalking the 17-year-old boy.  If someone is following you around in this manner, you have the right to stand your ground and to defend yourself from the armed man who won't stop following you, first in a vehicle and then on foot.
2013-06-21 10:27:22 AM  
1 vote:

abfalter: This makes me sad.  I see no chance of him being convicted.  And he should be, he really should be.


Oh, I don't know... I think if some large black man was smashing your head on the sidewalk, you would probably shoot him to.
2013-06-21 10:26:43 AM  
1 vote:

gimmegimme: Five of the jurors are mothers; here's hoping they'll think about what it's like when your 17-year-old kid is shot down in cold blood with a can of iced tea in his hand.


Because appealing to illogical emotion is the only chance the prosecution has.

Or maybe the jurors will think about what it's like to be attacked in your own neighborhood by a violent thug. I hear women aren't big fans of that.
2013-06-21 10:26:10 AM  
1 vote:
I'd try my best to get out of that jury.  You're painting a big target on yourself and someone is going to be unhappy with the verdict.  Next thing you know you would have a busload of protesters on your front lawn.  Or worse.
2013-06-21 10:24:33 AM  
1 vote:
Five of the jurors are mothers; here's hoping they'll think about what it's like when your 17-year-old kid is shot down in cold blood with a can of iced tea in his hand.
2013-06-21 10:22:59 AM  
1 vote:
I'm a little surprised they got all women
 
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