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(CBC)   Whiny, self entitled "millennials" who wasted their time and put themselves in crushing debt chasing useless degrees STILL complaining about lack of jobs in their chosen fields... like nursing, law, teaching, etc   (cbc.ca) divider line 200
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2013-06-21 12:52:44 PM  
Surely in this conservative economy there are job opportunities.  Such as sweater vest maker or kitten wrangler.
 
2013-06-21 01:21:47 PM  
Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.
 
2013-06-21 01:21:49 PM  
time to get bootstrappy
 
2013-06-21 01:21:53 PM  
You know it's scary out there when Canadian graduates can't find jobs in their fields.


/I'm very close to giving up on finding work in mine.
 
2013-06-21 01:22:06 PM  
I am quite sure with their skills they will have no trouble finding a top flight job in either the food service or house keeping industries.
 
2013-06-21 01:25:04 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.


But they would have to get h1b visas to come to georgia
 
2013-06-21 01:25:20 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.


A couple of young nurses I know are being furloughed. They also say thanks Obama which makes me laugh oddly.

/north east
 
2013-06-21 01:25:29 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.


"Georgia". I think I found your problem right there.
 
2013-06-21 01:25:37 PM  
Experienced nurses are in high demand, but it's tough for new grads. Lots of competition. The older nurses who didn't retire when the economy crashed are still working.
 
2013-06-21 01:26:07 PM  
img.fark.net

I'll take a job from her, if you know what I'm saying.
 
2013-06-21 01:26:14 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.


It is completely a regional thing. I live near a state border. We have no nursing jobs in our portion of the state, but move across the border about half an hour and they can't find enough nurses.
 
2013-06-21 01:26:47 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.


Nobody is going to hire a nurse with her nose buried in her phone 18 hours a day
 
2013-06-21 01:27:32 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.


They're paying that for nurses with years of experience, not for people fresh out of school.
 
2013-06-21 01:28:17 PM  

FatherChaos: I'll take a job from her, if you know what I'm saying.


Wow, she is remarkably attractive.
 
2013-06-21 01:29:36 PM  
It's probably very easy for Canadians to find work in the US. There's more opportunity in the US compared to Canada. For employment in acting, fashion, software engineering and programing, you need migrate to the US.

Yeah you definitely need to start at the bottom. Nurses looking for work need to find janitor jobs at hospitals.
 
2013-06-21 01:29:38 PM  
It seems to me that one of the biggest problems with this recession in the US has been people who were out of work were also tied up in their homes and unable to sell so they can move to somewhere with more jobs in their field.  This sort of problem doesn't exist for young people so I would expect there to be a lot of young folks moving these days to areas with positive job markets.  Now when the market sucks in general it can be very hard for newbies to find work so I do sympathize.

/graduated in 2001 looking for programming job after .com bubble burst
//moved to NoVA from Indy
 
2013-06-21 01:29:43 PM  

pkellmey: Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.

It is completely a regional thing. I live near a state border. We have no nursing jobs in our portion of the state, but move across the border about half an hour and they can't find enough nurses.


Yep. When my daughter graduated from Georgetown's RN (second degree) program, she was one of only three who had jobs waiting for them in metro areas. Everyone else got recruited for places like Tick Corner or Hogwallow Branch.
 
2013-06-21 01:30:04 PM  
No, every generation is not seen the same. As a Generation Xer, I can say we were not generally characterized as whiny and entitled, but instead  lazy and apathetic. Still bad, but slightly less annoying.
 
2013-06-21 01:30:41 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.


A lot of people move to Florida and Georgia to retire. Nursing and elder care in general is a booming business there.
 
2013-06-21 01:31:05 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.


As said before it's regional and country boundary markets.

When I worked at UCLA I worked with a lot of nurses from Canada, New Zealand, etc...  They don't get paid as well at home as here (or at least Los Angeles).  So they do exactly what other foreign workers do, move here temporarily, makes tons of cash, go back home in semi-retirement or at least with a huge nest egg.

Same as migrant farm workers and tech H1bs.
 
2013-06-21 01:32:11 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.

Nobody is going to hire a nurse with her nose buried in her phone 18 hours a day


Okay, and who is that supposed to apply to? I see that from women at every age.
 
2013-06-21 01:32:11 PM  
It all depends on WHERE you are and WHAT you have a degree in.  Chances are - you can find work if these two work out.

For example, If you want to teach - you can move to Vegas, Tennessee, California, Alaska, etc where they are always looking for teachers.  You may not want to do it - but you can and you will get some experience.

If you just can't find a job you want in your area, you are going to have to settle if you don't have experience.  It has always been like that.  You can't always get what you want.
 
2013-06-21 01:33:49 PM  

doubled99: No, every generation is not seen the same. As a Generation Xer, I can say we were not generally characterized as whiny and entitled, but instead  lazy and apathetic. Still bad, but slightly less annoying.


Agreed....these millennial hipster douchbags make the X'ers look like fine upstanding citizens.

/Judge Smails was wise beyond his years.
 
2013-06-21 01:33:54 PM  
These young kids are not boot strappy enough to create their own businesses. If you can't find a job create your own job.
 
2013-06-21 01:34:19 PM  
The main problem I'm seeing is that there are tons of jobs out there, but they want experience even for entry level positions and that makes it hard for new grads to get into their desired field.
 
2013-06-21 01:34:19 PM  
"Follow your passion!"*

*As long as your passion is in a marketable field. Otherwise, good luck, and I'll have that burger medium rare.



"Find something you love doing and make that into a job!"*

*If what you love matches up with industry expectations. Otherwise, good luck, and I'll have that burger medium rare.



"In order to succeed in life, you must pursue higher education!"*

*This statement is opinion of the Canadian College Accreditation Board and is not a guarantee of success. Your results may vary.. and I want whipped cream and a dash of cinnamon on my coffee drink.


"You earn more money by having a college degree under your belt."*

*The college & the banks earn more money by you having a college degree under your belt. We've managed to flood the market with "graduates", and now you're no longer special enough. Try another student loan, something larger, maybe in the Doctorate size? Sign here.
 
2013-06-21 01:34:33 PM  
One of the few industries in my region (by that I mean 2 states) is nursing.
And also more specialized medical jobs.
They are practically hiring people off the streets.
 
2013-06-21 01:34:48 PM  

gnosis301: Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.

"Georgia". I think I found your problem right there.



You may be surprised to learn that not all of Georgia is rural and populated with hillbillies.
 
2013-06-21 01:35:47 PM  
Hmm... technology increases making the economy too efficient, so there's not enough jobs for everyone. Color me surprised. This will keep on happening, and get worse as technology gets more efficient.
 
2013-06-21 01:36:04 PM  
Well, a lot of students who would otherwise have gotten a pure liberal arts degree switched their major to teaching when the economy tanked, and now there's a surplus in this field.
 
2013-06-21 01:36:23 PM  
I have a son, so I am paying attention. Honestly. I shall not make fill his little head with promises of undeniable happiness and success.

1. Son, you cannot do anything you set your mind to
2. Son, do not follow your passions, but make time for them instead
3. Son, do not stick your dick in crazy
4. Son, you need not reproduce unless you have a friend to reproduce with

/easier said than done
 
2013-06-21 01:37:14 PM  
Yet another story of The Old biatching about The Young out of jealousy.

/Same as it ever was
 
2013-06-21 01:37:24 PM  

FatherChaos: if you know what I'm saying


I do.
 
2013-06-21 01:37:39 PM  

thecpt: Smeggy Smurf: Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.

Nobody is going to hire a nurse with her nose buried in her phone 18 hours a day

Okay, and who is that supposed to apply to? I see that from women at every age.


The twits that won't get off their phone long enough to learn how to be a real nurse.
 
2013-06-21 01:37:45 PM  
I know, lets add 20+ million more people to the job pool and see how that works out.
 
2013-06-21 01:38:29 PM  

Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: I have a son, so I am paying attention. Honestly. I shall not make fill his little head with promises of undeniable happiness and success.

1. Son, you cannot do anything you set your mind to
2. Son, do not follow your passions, but make time for them instead
3. Son, do not stick your dick in crazy
4. Son, you need not reproduce unless you have a friend to reproduce with

/easier said than done


5.  Do anything you want, but get a fallback trade first.

/best advice my dad gave me
 
2013-06-21 01:38:43 PM  

Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: I have a son, so I am paying attention. Honestly. I shall not make fill his little head with promises of undeniable happiness and success.

1. Son, you cannot do anything you set your mind to
2. Son, do not follow your passions, but make time for them instead
3. Son, do not stick your dick in crazy give crazy your real phone number
4. Son, you need not reproduce unless you have a friend to reproduce with

/easier said than done


FTFY
 
2013-06-21 01:39:36 PM  

Kristoph57: "Follow your passion!"*

*As long as your passion is in a marketable field. Otherwise, good luck, and I'll have that burger medium rare.


"Find something you love doing and make that into a job!"*

*If what you love matches up with industry expectations. Otherwise, good luck, and I'll have that burger medium rare.


"In order to succeed in life, you must pursue higher education!"*

*This statement is opinion of the Canadian College Accreditation Board and is not a guarantee of success. Your results may vary.. and I want whipped cream and a dash of cinnamon on my coffee drink.

"You earn more money by having a college degree under your belt."*

*The college & the banks earn more money by you having a college degree under your belt. We've managed to flood the market with "graduates", and now you're no longer special enough. Try another student loan, something larger, maybe in the Doctorate size? Sign here.



I feel like such a sucker.

My plan to get even...find full-time work in a non-profit, get into an income based repayment plan for the loans, and pay a small percentage of what I actually owe back over ten years.
 
2013-06-21 01:40:13 PM  

ltdanman44: time to get bootstrappy


Well, it works.  I couldn't find a job in the field that I went to school for so I got a crap job and went back to school for something else.  When I graduated I had extra time on my hands so I worked two crap jobs until I found one that would pay the bills on its own.  This was done with two kids and a mortgage to worry about.  You can make fun of "boot strappy" all you want but (GASP!) abandoning a dead end and working hard, rather than whining, pays off.
 
2013-06-21 01:40:22 PM  
well, as a recent graduate of law school, who made more money before going to law school, worked less, wasn't stressed, didn't have to pay exorbitant fees just to keep my license, very little professional liability, had paid vacations, employer provided health care, vision care, and zero debt...

i'm getting a real kick...

/ here's the real problem... i actually love practicing law.  so, i'm like the reverse artist, who gives up a life of sure thing money to struggle as a starving lawyer.
// the whole woe is me millennial nonsense has existed throughout time in every generation.  there will always be people who don't work as hard as they can... the only difference, now they have the internet.  back in the day, they couldn't read or write, so no one heard them.
 
2013-06-21 01:40:44 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Well, a lot of students who would otherwise have gotten a pure liberal arts degree switched their major to teaching when the economy tanked, and now there's a surplus in this field.


Because frak teachers, right?
 
2013-06-21 01:40:46 PM  

Kristoph57: "You earn more money by having a college degree under your belt."*


You learn more on average with a college degree.  If you don't actually understand the difference between that and a guarantee that you, personally will earn more with a degree than without, you're probably failing at life because the degree you took is essentially useless.

WTF major doesn't involve even basic concepts of probability?  I had half a minor in philosophy and the full credits for a minor in English and both of them brought it up many times.  Is the world full of recreation science and education majors or something now?
 
2013-06-21 01:41:19 PM  
I wasted all my time chasing useless degrees, digging myself in debt, and struggling to find jobs. I don't mind it though; I put myself in this position and must learn it the hard way.

The only thing I ask is for people to stop lumping us Generation Y folks with the farking millennials.
 
2013-06-21 01:43:20 PM  

ThreeEdgedSword: Yet another story of The Old biatching about The Young out of jealousy.

/Same as it ever was


Jealous? Of what - those tatts & nose-piercings?
I'm getting a tad tired of today's youth telling me to `Hurry up & die!' so they can have my jorb.
 
2013-06-21 01:43:40 PM  

thecpt: Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.

A couple of young nurses I know are being furloughed. They also say thanks Obama which makes me laugh oddly.

/north east


Hospitals like their bottom line. Obamacare cuts into that bottom line, and he refuses to consider an exemption for hospitals. End result: FAIL.

Take it this way: Your a hospital's head of HR. You have a budget of five apples. The government takes an apple because your alive, they take an apple because your working, they take an apple because success is a Mortal Sin, and they need to feed someone who isn't successful or working... because you can't hire them. They just took that apple... and then they take another apple because you have people working for you in a hospital, "But it's a hospital... can't I just have the employee EAT THE DAMN APPLE YOU'RE GIVING THEM ANYWAY?!"

"No. That's our job. It goes to Sploofy, she's a 22-year-old mother of nine-by-six-different-fathers-and-farm-animals who's stuck outside of Memphis in a mobile home with a CNA."

"...why can't I just hire her, put her on the hospital's insurance plan and then you don't have to pay for it?"

"Our plan is undeniably better because we say so, without any data relevant to the problem at hand."
 
2013-06-21 01:43:41 PM  
We need another Vietnam to thin out their ranks a little
 
2013-06-21 01:44:11 PM  
The problem I'm running into, isn't a lack of jobs, but rather a lack of appropriate salaries.   housing/food/utility costs haven't gone down, but for some reason companies and govt. agencies are thinking that they can get employees for half the pay they should be getting.
 
2013-06-21 01:44:12 PM  

raerae1980: Kristoph57: "Follow your passion!"*

My plan to get even...find full-time work in a non-profit, get into an income based repayment plan for the loans, and pay a small percentage of what I actually owe back over ten years.


You still may not have thought your cunning plan all the way through.

I work for a "non-profit" and was surprised by a salary offer that exceeded the "start from here and negotiate down" figure that was in my head.

Many non-profits pay their staff industry standard or better.
 
2013-06-21 01:44:26 PM  

BafflerMeal: Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: I have a son, so I am paying attention. Honestly. I shall not make fill his little head with promises of undeniable happiness and success.

1. Son, you cannot do anything you set your mind to
2. Son, do not follow your passions, but make time for them instead
3. Son, do not stick your dick in crazy
4. Son, you need not reproduce unless you have a friend to reproduce with

/easier said than done

5.  Do anything you want, but get a fallback trade first.

/best advice my dad gave me


My dad's only advice was:

"I don't know what I'm doing, Son. Don't come to me for advice.You figure it out"

/better than clichés, I guess
 
2013-06-21 01:45:21 PM  
FTFA:"the majority of [millennials] have their faces buried in their cellphones instead of doing their job"

From what I see on a daily basis everybody has their faces buried in their phones. Definitely not confined to any one generation.
 
2013-06-21 01:45:40 PM  

Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: I have a son, so I am paying attention. Honestly. I shall not make fill his little head with promises of undeniable happiness and success.

1. Son, you cannot do anything you set your mind to
2. Son, do not follow your passions, but make time for them instead
3. Son, do not stick your dick in crazy
4. Son, you need not reproduce unless you have a friend to reproduce with

/easier said than done


See if you can get him interested in a trade. You can't outsource plumbing, HVAC, electrical etc. Start working and learning right out of highschool and if he is smart and learns all he can he will be in disposable and making $100k a year before he's 30. (Or whatever the equivalent will be by that time)
 
2013-06-21 01:45:42 PM  

raerae1980: Kristoph57: "Follow your passion!"*

*As long as your passion is in a marketable field. Otherwise, good luck, and I'll have that burger medium rare.


"Find something you love doing and make that into a job!"*

*If what you love matches up with industry expectations. Otherwise, good luck, and I'll have that burger medium rare.


"In order to succeed in life, you must pursue higher education!"*

*This statement is opinion of the Canadian College Accreditation Board and is not a guarantee of success. Your results may vary.. and I want whipped cream and a dash of cinnamon on my coffee drink.

"You earn more money by having a college degree under your belt."*

*The college & the banks earn more money by you having a college degree under your belt. We've managed to flood the market with "graduates", and now you're no longer special enough. Try another student loan, something larger, maybe in the Doctorate size? Sign here.


I feel like such a sucker.

My plan to get even...find full-time work in a non-profit, get into an income based repayment plan for the loans, and pay a small percentage of what I actually owe back over ten years.


Why do you feel like a sucker? Would you not have gotten your education given the circumstances when you started?

Lot of capt hindsight exists in these threads
 
2013-06-21 01:46:26 PM  

thecpt: Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.

A couple of young nurses I know are being furloughed. They also say thanks Obama which makes me laugh oddly.

/north east


Really?  That's a shame.  Everywhere I've looked for employment (I have a degree in HIM) I've seen hospitals desperately looking for nurses.

usernameguy: They're paying that for nurses with years of experience, not for people fresh out of school.


It depends.  I've seen some that do want experience, others that don't care how many years of experience the nurse has.
 
2013-06-21 01:46:48 PM  

Jedekai: thecpt: Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.

A couple of young nurses I know are being furloughed. They also say thanks Obama which makes me laugh oddly.

/north east

Hospitals like their bottom line. Obamacare cuts into that bottom line, and he refuses to consider an exemption for hospitals. End result: FAIL.

Take it this way: Your a hospital's head of HR. You have a budget of five apples. The government takes an apple because your alive, they take an apple because your working, they take an apple because success is a Mortal Sin, and they need to feed someone who isn't successful or working... because you can't hire them. They just took that apple... and then they take another apple because you have people working for you in a hospital, "But it's a hospital... can't I just have the employee EAT THE DAMN APPLE YOU'RE GIVING THEM ANYWAY?!"

"No. That's our job. It goes to Sploofy, she's a 22-year-old mother of nine-by-six-different-fathers-and-farm-animals who's stuck outside of Memphis in a mobile home with a CNA."

"...why can't I just hire her, put her on the hospital's insurance plan and then you don't have to pay for it?"

"Our plan is undeniably better because we say so, without any data relevant to the problem at hand."


Two workers and a CEO are sitting at a table with a dozen donuts.  The CEO takes eleven donuts.  The first worker takes the last donut and the CEO turns to the second worker and says 'Hey, he's trying to take your donut'.
 
2013-06-21 01:46:53 PM  
Then when they apply for food service jobs, they won't get one unless they erase all those years of higher education off it. Managers want teenagers and middled aged women who will follow orders. They don't want an educated adult who will often question how things are done, have a backbone, and become suicidally depressed they are making tacos or burgers.
 
2013-06-21 01:47:40 PM  
Claire Ferris, a 24-year-old from Fergus, Ont., who now lives in Windsor, is a prime example. After graduating from the University of Windsor with a degree in drama and creative writing


im SHOCKED she cant find work.
 
2013-06-21 01:48:00 PM  
IIRC there was a fark story about how there was a glut of lawyers out there in most major markets. When my brother finished nursing school he had 4 offers that I knew about.
 
2013-06-21 01:48:10 PM  

Pangea: raerae1980: Kristoph57: "Follow your passion!"*

My plan to get even...find full-time work in a non-profit, get into an income based repayment plan for the loans, and pay a small percentage of what I actually owe back over ten years.

You still may not have thought your cunning plan all the way through.

I work for a "non-profit" and was surprised by a salary offer that exceeded the "start from here and negotiate down" figure that was in my head.

Many non-profits pay their staff industry standard or better.


I'm already working for a non-profit at the part-time level.   A full-time position was offered and I applied for it.   Trust me...it's retail and does not pay much.  I'm more worried about hubby's income, as his is significantly higher.   But, without the repayment plan, my payment each month would be over $1,000, with it it's around $600.     Fark the student loan industry!!
 
2013-06-21 01:48:22 PM  
there's lots of jobs whiny libs just look for the ones that say "sry can't pay but this will look good on your resume" and/or "work 80 hours per week 25,000 a year no benefits"
 
2013-06-21 01:49:15 PM  
People spend so much time trying to fit in, only to discover that power is being different and having something unique to offer.
 
2013-06-21 01:50:17 PM  

Semi-Sane: These young kids are not boot strappy enough to create their own businesses. If you can't find a job create your own job.


Yeah, just borrow the necessary money from your parents.

What?  Someone said that already?

Oh well...
 
2013-06-21 01:50:26 PM  
I have been feeling this same crunch in the states...  I got layed off in late 07 when the economy took a dump, and then bounced around for a couple of years.  Now it is almost impossible to get back into my career field with all the new over educated kids up for grabs and the imported people from all over the country swamping the Texas job market that I cant hope to compete with.  Add to that the illegal aliens bringing down wages while congress is trying to make them permanent so I can get farked even harder...
 
2013-06-21 01:50:50 PM  

Skraeling: Claire Ferris, a 24-year-old from Fergus, Ont., who now lives in Windsor, is a prime example. After graduating from the University of Windsor with a degree in drama and creative writing

im SHOCKED she cant find work.


Unless you hit it big with a novel or screenplay, writers are screwed.
 
2013-06-21 01:51:18 PM  

Skraeling: Claire Ferris, a 24-year-old from Fergus, Ont., who now lives in Windsor, is a prime example. After graduating from the University of Windsor with a degree in drama and creative writing

im SHOCKED she cant find work.


I'm sure she leverage her creative writing education in updating the daily specials on the chalkboard near the hostess stand or register.
 
2013-06-21 01:51:56 PM  

Eponymous: doubled99: No, every generation is not seen the same. As a Generation Xer, I can say we were not generally characterized as whiny and entitled, but instead  lazy and apathetic. Still bad, but slightly less annoying.

Agreed....these millennial hipster douchbags make the X'ers look like fine upstanding citizens.

/Judge Smails was wise beyond his years.


I'll put it this way, anyone I knew who was worth hiring out of college has had steady employment since they graduated, STEM, LA, or random degree. These were also the kids who got internships and had some modicum of motivation to achieve than a ged ed diploma*. Of the people I know who suffered through bouts of unemployment, most I would not recommend for an open position in my company if they exceed the requirements twofold (shiatty personality, lazy, mean, dumb, et al).

tldr version: Most of the people my age, whom I'm acquainted with, are unemployed are underemployed because they suck, not because companies are conspiring against them.

I have plenty of friends who have gotten the shaft from companies in the past 4 years (laid off or fired), but they picked up a new job before their severance or next paycheck. Then again, I'm sure some mileage may vary

* I'm talking a 3.0 GPA and some internships, more or less average grades and basic proof you won't poison the coffee on the first day
 
2013-06-21 01:52:06 PM  
There are jobs out there, you just have to be able to pass a drug test.

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 01:52:07 PM  

Jedekai: thecpt: Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.

A couple of young nurses I know are being furloughed. They also say thanks Obama which makes me laugh oddly.

/north east

Hospitals like their bottom line. Obamacare cuts into that bottom line, and he refuses to consider an exemption for hospitals. End result: FAIL.

Take it this way: Your a hospital's head of HR. You have a budget of five apples. The government takes an apple because your alive, they take an apple because your working, they take an apple because success is a Mortal Sin, and they need to feed someone who isn't successful or working... because you can't hire them. They just took that apple... and then they take another apple because you have people working for you in a hospital, "But it's a hospital... can't I just have the employee EAT THE DAMN APPLE YOU'RE GIVING THEM ANYWAY?!"

"No. That's our job. It goes to Sploofy, she's a 22-year-old mother of nine-by-six-different-fathers-and-farm-animals who's stuck outside of Memphis in a mobile home with a CNA."

"...why can't I just hire her, put her on the hospital's insurance plan and then you don't have to pay for it?"


"Our plan is undeniably better because we say so, without any data relevant to the problem at hand."

You must be exhausted from setting up all those straw men.
 
2013-06-21 01:52:15 PM  
As a soon-to-be 1L attending a third tier law school at sticker price I am getting a kick out of stories like these.

/special snowflake
 
2013-06-21 01:54:20 PM  
Thanks, Obama!
 
2013-06-21 01:55:26 PM  

thecpt: Why do you feel like a sucker? Would you not have gotten your education given the circumstances when you started?

Lot of capt hindsight exists in these threads


Nope.  I already had an Associates and was working full-time in a field that I generally liked.  I got laid off, was told if I had a BA that wouldn't have happened (thanks Dad!).   So, I chose a field I 'imagined' my self in for well over retirement age.   But then I had the bright idea of going to grad school.  And that is what I really regret because I didn't have to go.
 
2013-06-21 01:55:37 PM  

hasty ambush: There are jobs out there, you just have to be able to pass a drug test.


Happened in my backyard. They wanted truck drivers and laboreres mainly. No engineers out of school.
 
2013-06-21 01:57:18 PM  

titwrench: Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: I have a son, so I am paying attention. Honestly. I shall not make fill his little head with promises of undeniable happiness and success.

1. Son, you cannot do anything you set your mind to
2. Son, do not follow your passions, but make time for them instead
3. Son, do not stick your dick in crazy
4. Son, you need not reproduce unless you have a friend to reproduce with

/easier said than done

See if you can get him interested in a trade. You can't outsource plumbing, HVAC, electrical etc. Start working and learning right out of highschool and if he is smart and learns all he can he will be in disposable and making $100k a year before he's 30. (Or whatever the equivalent will be by that time)


This ^^^

I know kids from high school that have been making more per annum since 19 than most of my college graduate friends make now at 26/27. It might not be awesome or a name dropper, but you can make a shiat ton of money. I'd have to double check but IIRC the two "richest" friends of mine from growing up had a a dad who started out as an plumber turned GC and an electrician turned SW developer. Neither father went to college.
 
2013-06-21 01:58:05 PM  

doubled99: No, every generation is not seen the same. As a Generation Xer, I can say we were not generally characterized as whiny and entitled, but instead  lazy and apathetic. Still bad, but slightly less annoying.


As a fellow Gen Xer, I'd come up with a witty rebuke, but it's too much work and I guess I really don't care.
 
2013-06-21 01:58:19 PM  

OldManDownDRoad: Skraeling: Claire Ferris, a 24-year-old from Fergus, Ont., who now lives in Windsor, is a prime example. After graduating from the University of Windsor with a degree in drama and creative writing

im SHOCKED she cant find work.

Unless you hit it big with a novel or screenplay, writers are screwed.


Sure but that's been true forever. It's shouldn't be a shock to anyone.
 
2013-06-21 01:58:52 PM  
As a nursing school applicant, there are a TON of jobs where I live. We have four hospitals here (Tulsa) that are constantly hiring, regardless of experience.

I just wish I would've done this earlier, but it is what it is.
 
2013-06-21 01:58:57 PM  

Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: BafflerMeal: Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: I have a son, so I am paying attention. Honestly. I shall not make fill his little head with promises of undeniable happiness and success.

1. Son, you cannot do anything you set your mind to
2. Son, do not follow your passions, but make time for them instead
3. Son, do not stick your dick in crazy
4. Son, you need not reproduce unless you have a friend to reproduce with

/easier said than done

5.  Do anything you want, but get a fallback trade first.

/best advice my dad gave me

My dad's only advice was:

"I don't know what I'm doing, Son. Don't come to me for advice.You figure it out"

/better than clichés, I guess


Best advice I gave to my son was: "If I stop moving, don't touch me. Go get mommy, because I cut into a live wire."
 
2013-06-21 01:59:04 PM  

OldManDownDRoad: Skraeling: Claire Ferris, a 24-year-old from Fergus, Ont., who now lives in Windsor, is a prime example. After graduating from the University of Windsor with a degree in drama and creative writing

im SHOCKED she cant find work.

Unless you hit it big with a novel or screenplay, writers are screwed.


That article primarily covers non-fiction spec pieces, although your general point stands.  It's not a rich industry, writers are treated like pondscum regardless of your target market, and many writers themselves are complicit in putting themselves in a poorhouse hole because they are writers, not businesspeople.  I prefer Harlan Ellison's advice on getting paid - do nothing for free and fight for every scrap of silver to cross your palm.  He's a scrappy, angry old man, but he's right on that score.
 
2013-06-21 01:59:21 PM  
 
2013-06-21 02:00:14 PM  

raerae1980: thecpt: Why do you feel like a sucker? Would you not have gotten your education given the circumstances when you started?

Lot of capt hindsight exists in these threads

Nope.  I already had an Associates and was working full-time in a field that I generally liked.  I got laid off, was told if I had a BA that wouldn't have happened (thanks Dad!).   So, I chose a field I 'imagined' my self in for well over retirement age.   But then I had the bright idea of going to grad school.  And that is what I really regret because I didn't have to go.


Ah, thought you meant the undergrad route. Yeah, grad in '10 and A LOT of my friends chose grad school to avoid the market. It seems like only half of them were successful in finding a job of their stature 2 years after obtaining their masters.
 
2013-06-21 02:00:17 PM  
Still not seeing how this is anybody's fault except their own...
 
2013-06-21 02:01:57 PM  

bdm26: As a soon-to-be 1L attending a third tier law school at sticker price I am getting a kick out of stories like these.

/special snowflake


My wife left GWU after her 1L year, with a full scholarship due to medical issues.  We remained friends with people that finished their degree.   Even the valedictorian took 6 months to find a position.   He graduated 3 years ago.    So uhhhhhh good luck.
 
2013-06-21 02:03:14 PM  

Maul555: I have been feeling this same crunch in the states...  I got layed off in late 07 when the economy took a dump, and then bounced around for a couple of years.  Now it is almost impossible to get back into my career field with all the new over educated kids up for grabs and the imported people from all over the country swamping the Texas job market that I cant hope to compete with.  Add to that the illegal aliens bringing down wages while congress is trying to make them permanent so I can get farked even harder...


I forgot to add that I am non-military living in a military town where everyone and their uncle is screaming "HIRE VETERANS".... and I am not a minority so that hurts me in an affirmative action world...   Basically, everyone else is put at the front of the line before me no matter how early I get there.

/I guess I need to find a 2nd industry to try and get into
 
2013-06-21 02:03:40 PM  

sovietski: As a nursing school applicant, there are a TON of jobs where I live. We have four hospitals here (Tulsa) that are constantly hiring, regardless of experience.

I just wish I would've done this earlier, but it is what it is.



St. Johns was a good home.
 
2013-06-21 02:03:50 PM  

thecpt: hasty ambush: There are jobs out there, you just have to be able to pass a drug test.

Happened in my backyard. They wanted truck drivers and laboreres mainly. No engineers out of school.


Those truck drivers and laborers are making good money $62K not $100K depending on location, just need a CDL for the truck driving and of course pass the drug screening
 
2013-06-21 02:05:20 PM  

hasty ambush: thecpt: hasty ambush: There are jobs out there, you just have to be able to pass a drug test.

Happened in my backyard. They wanted truck drivers and laboreres mainly. No engineers out of school.

Those truck drivers and laborers are making good money $62K not to $100K depending on location, just need a CDL for the truck driving and of course pass the drug screening

 
2013-06-21 02:06:27 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.


I thought the same thing.  There is something else to that particular girl's story.  Perhaps a criminal record.
 
2013-06-21 02:08:52 PM  
Many Canadians would not, even if able to, move to the U.S. because healthcare.
 
2013-06-21 02:09:03 PM  

hasty ambush: thecpt: hasty ambush: There are jobs out there, you just have to be able to pass a drug test.

Happened in my backyard. They wanted truck drivers and laboreres mainly. No engineers out of school.

Those truck drivers and laborers are making good money $62K not $100K depending on location, just need a CDL for the truck driving and of course pass the drug screening


Not saying its a bad job at all, just that they're not likely to be hired in that field and its hardly beneficial to their careers.
 
2013-06-21 02:10:19 PM  

Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: BafflerMeal: Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: I have a son, so I am paying attention. Honestly. I shall not make fill his little head with promises of undeniable happiness and success.

1. Son, you cannot do anything you set your mind to
2. Son, do not follow your passions, but make time for them instead
3. Son, do not stick your dick in crazy
4. Son, you need not reproduce unless you have a friend to reproduce with

/easier said than done

5.  Do anything you want, but get a fallback trade first.

/best advice my dad gave me

My dad's only advice was:

"I don't know what I'm doing, Son. Don't come to me for advice.You figure it out"

/better than clichés, I guess


my dad's advice, a quote from someone smarter, 80% of success is showing up.

it had some corollaries:

it is better to overdress (if not sure, wear a suit, better to be an asshole than an idiot)

be nice.

when looking for a job. no one hires people from a resume or a phone call (applies to online apps).  go in to the place everyday to meet whoever is hiring.  get to know the the secretary.  if you have to, bring cookies.  be annoying. at least they won't forget you.  even if they don't hire you, check up on them frequently in case they have another position open.  this degree of nuisance will get you something productive.  maybe not a job, but at least some new contacts.  (essentially, be shameless)

finally, never stop looking for a new job.  my dad stayed with the same place for 20 years, but always had another job lined up, just in case.  you never know when a company is about to be acquired or insolvent.  better to assume the ship is sinking.
 
2013-06-21 02:10:38 PM  

Eponymous: Skraeling: Claire Ferris, a 24-year-old from Fergus, Ont., who now lives in Windsor, is a prime example. After graduating from the University of Windsor with a degree in drama and creative writing

im SHOCKED she cant find work.

I'm sure she leverage her creative writing education in updating the daily specials on the chalkboard near the hostess stand or register.



Most 'round these here parts call that sort, "Two16's ex".

/go Plath yourself
 
2013-06-21 02:11:33 PM  

pute kisses like a man: Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: BafflerMeal: Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: I have a son, so I am paying attention. Honestly. I shall not make fill his little head with promises of undeniable happiness and success.

1. Son, you cannot do anything you set your mind to
2. Son, do not follow your passions, but make time for them instead
3. Son, do not stick your dick in crazy
4. Son, you need not reproduce unless you have a friend to reproduce with

/easier said than done

5.  Do anything you want, but get a fallback trade first.

/best advice my dad gave me

My dad's only advice was:

"I don't know what I'm doing, Son. Don't come to me for advice.You figure it out"

/better than clichés, I guess

my dad's advice, a quote from someone smarter, 80% of success is showing up.

it had some corollaries:

it is better to overdress (if not sure, wear a suit, better to be an asshole than an idiot)

be nice.

when looking for a job. no one hires people from a resume or a phone call (applies to online apps).  go in to the place everyday to meet whoever is hiring.  get to know the the secretary.  if you have to, bring cookies.  be annoying. at least they won't forget you.  even if they don't hire you, check up on them frequently in case they have another position open.  this degree of nuisance will get you something productive.  maybe not a job, but at least some new contacts.  (essentially, be shameless)

finally, never stop looking for a new job.  my dad stayed with the same place for 20 years, but always had another job lined up, just in case.  you never know when a company is about to be acquired or insolvent.  better to assume the ship is sinking.


Your dad's 4th corollary is highly ill-advised.
 
2013-06-21 02:14:20 PM  
Galileo's Daughter:
Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.

Sorry, Canadian article.  Most of our young people can do the math: those thousands in signing bonuses don't pay for as much health insurance as our taxes do in Canada (not to mention living in a fundamentalist-infested "right-to-work" state).
 
2013-06-21 02:14:37 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.


There's a lack of nurses now.  Once Obamacare kicks in fully, there will be plenty of them around since (like all other direct patient care positions), there's going to be massive layoffs so health care providers can remain profitable.  As for you people waiting hours to have your blood drawn, enjoy socialism !
 
2013-06-21 02:15:24 PM  

graeth: Still not seeing how this is anybody's fault except their own...


If I could melt away the cataracts of your ignorance, I would...

pute kisses like a man: it is better to overdress (if not sure, wear a suit, better to be an asshole than an idiot)

be nice.


LOL PORQUE
 
2013-06-21 02:16:10 PM  
thecpt:
hasty ambush: thecpt: hasty ambush: There are jobs out there, you just have to be able to pass a drug test.

Happened in my backyard. They wanted truck drivers and laboreres mainly. No engineers out of school.

Those truck drivers and laborers are making good money $62K not $100K depending on location, just need a CDL for the truck driving and of course pass the drug screening

Not saying its a bad job at all, just that they're not likely to be hired in that field and its hardly beneficial to their careers.


Wait, you're saying that spending three years driving a dump truck in Ft. McMurray might hinder someone's attempts to become a molecular biologist?  You lazy hipster.
 
2013-06-21 02:16:34 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.


This.  If you can't get a job in nursing, you must be really, really terrible at it.

KhamanV: I prefer Harlan Ellison's advice on getting paid - do nothing for free and fight for every scrap of silver to cross your palm.  He's a scrappy, angry old man, but he's right on that score.


That is very short-term thinking.  Doing things for free can often be very profitable.
 
2013-06-21 02:16:38 PM  
But corporate profits are at an all-time high, and the stock market is at its highest level ever.  Doesn't that mean there are lots of jobs?
 
2013-06-21 02:17:18 PM  
redmid17:
I know kids from high school that have been making more per annum since 19 than most of my college graduate friends make now at 26/27. It might not be awesome or a name dropper, but you can make a shiat ton of money. I'd have to double check but IIRC the two "richest" friends of mine from growing up had a a dad who started out as an plumber turned GC and an electrician turned SW developer. Neither father went to college.

My best friend from college became a GC and did very well - at one point he was running five crews and sitting in a very nice office, answering the phone while they raked in the bucks for him.

The other side of that coin was the collapse of the housing industry starting in 2006. By 2009 he was back to swinging a hammer during the day and staying up all night taking care of the paperwork (contracts, take-offs, estimates, supplier bills, etc). He finally gave up and took a job teaching shop at the local high school. He still does remodels and repairs and keeps his license up-to-date, but he says he'll never build another house.

Which is a shame, because he built solid houses and a lot of his business was return customers. But every industry has its weak points.

And besides, you can't fart or tell dirty jokes in shop class.
 
2013-06-21 02:17:23 PM  

elvindeath: As for you people waiting hours to have your blood drawn, enjoy socialism !


Also.... jackbooted unionized perverts wearing hammer and sickle armbands will be taking motorized wheelchair using Tea Party patriots to FEMA concentration camps.
 
2013-06-21 02:18:25 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: elvindeath: As for you people waiting hours to have your blood drawn, enjoy socialism !

Also.... jackbooted unionized perverts wearing hammer and sickle armbands will be taking motorized wheelchair using Tea Party patriots to FEMA concentration camps.


TROLOLOL
 
2013-06-21 02:19:03 PM  

OldManDownDRoad: redmid17:
I know kids from high school that have been making more per annum since 19 than most of my college graduate friends make now at 26/27. It might not be awesome or a name dropper, but you can make a shiat ton of money. I'd have to double check but IIRC the two "richest" friends of mine from growing up had a a dad who started out as an plumber turned GC and an electrician turned SW developer. Neither father went to college.

My best friend from college became a GC and did very well - at one point he was running five crews and sitting in a very nice office, answering the phone while they raked in the bucks for him.

The other side of that coin was the collapse of the housing industry starting in 2006. By 2009 he was back to swinging a hammer during the day and staying up all night taking care of the paperwork (contracts, take-offs, estimates, supplier bills, etc). He finally gave up and took a job teaching shop at the local high school. He still does remodels and repairs and keeps his license up-to-date, but he says he'll never build another house.

Which is a shame, because he built solid houses and a lot of his business was return customers. But every industry has its weak points.

And besides, you can't fart or tell dirty jokes in shop class.


Man school has changed since I graduated in 2004.
 
2013-06-21 02:21:17 PM  

pute kisses like a man: Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: BafflerMeal: Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: I have a son, so I am paying attention. Honestly. I shall not make fill his little head with promises of undeniable happiness and success.

1. Son, you cannot do anything you set your mind to
2. Son, do not follow your passions, but make time for them instead
3. Son, do not stick your dick in crazy
4. Son, you need not reproduce unless you have a friend to reproduce with

/easier said than done

5.  Do anything you want, but get a fallback trade first.

/best advice my dad gave me

My dad's only advice was:

"I don't know what I'm doing, Son. Don't come to me for advice.You figure it out"

/better than clichés, I guess

my dad's advice, a quote from someone smarter, 80% of success is showing up.

it had some corollaries:

it is better to overdress (if not sure, wear a suit, better to be an asshole than an idiot)

be nice.

when looking for a job. no one hires people from a resume or a phone call (applies to online apps).  go in to the place everyday to meet whoever is hiring.  get to know the the secretary.  if you have to, bring cookies.  be annoying. at least they won't forget you.  even if they don't hire you, check up on them frequently in case they have another position open.  this degree of nuisance will get you something productive.  maybe not a job, but at least some new contacts.  (essentially, be shameless)

finally, never stop looking for a new job.  my dad stayed with the same place for 20 years, but always had another job lined up, just in case.  you never know when a company is about to be acquired or insolvent.  better to assume the ship is sinking.


Please tell me how it's to my benefit to annoy the gate guards at a govt. agency or company that's large enough to have a fenced in campus?

This is stupid advice for anyone looking for a real job, this might work if you're looking to become an overhead cost for a company.
 
2013-06-21 02:22:59 PM  

BMFPitt: Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.

This.  If you can't get a job in nursing, you must be really, really terrible at it.

KhamanV: I prefer Harlan Ellison's advice on getting paid - do nothing for free and fight for every scrap of silver to cross your palm.  He's a scrappy, angry old man, but he's right on that score.

That is very short-term thinking.  Doing things for free can often be very profitable.


Unless you have to eat.

Also, you might be surprised at the weird politics that come into play in being hired in Canada.
 
2013-06-21 02:24:08 PM  

Girion47: pute kisses like a man: Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: BafflerMeal: Agnes Gonxha's Confidant: I have a son, so I am paying attention. Honestly. I shall not make fill his little head with promises of undeniable happiness and success.

1. Son, you cannot do anything you set your mind to
2. Son, do not follow your passions, but make time for them instead
3. Son, do not stick your dick in crazy
4. Son, you need not reproduce unless you have a friend to reproduce with

/easier said than done

5.  Do anything you want, but get a fallback trade first.

/best advice my dad gave me

My dad's only advice was:

"I don't know what I'm doing, Son. Don't come to me for advice.You figure it out"

/better than clichés, I guess

my dad's advice, a quote from someone smarter, 80% of success is showing up.

it had some corollaries:

it is better to overdress (if not sure, wear a suit, better to be an asshole than an idiot)

be nice.

when looking for a job. no one hires people from a resume or a phone call (applies to online apps).  go in to the place everyday to meet whoever is hiring.  get to know the the secretary.  if you have to, bring cookies.  be annoying. at least they won't forget you.  even if they don't hire you, check up on them frequently in case they have another position open.  this degree of nuisance will get you something productive.  maybe not a job, but at least some new contacts.  (essentially, be shameless)

finally, never stop looking for a new job.  my dad stayed with the same place for 20 years, but always had another job lined up, just in case.  you never know when a company is about to be acquired or insolvent.  better to assume the ship is sinking.

Please tell me how it's to my benefit to annoy the gate guards at a govt. agency or company that's large enough to have a fenced in campus?

This is stupid advice for anyone looking for a real job, this might work if you're looking to become an overhead cost for a company.


for real... I tried this at rack-space recently, when a few years ago you could actually get to the front desk.  the gate guard basically told me that anyone that makes unannounced visits is automatically not considered for employment.   That place is like sentient brick wall that refuses any and all attempts at communication.
 
2013-06-21 02:25:47 PM  
The only advise I can give college kids is do SOMETHING other than "just studying". Part-time job, internship, or extracirriculars. Our hiring team is willing to meet with new grads even if they don't meet the experience, but when asked what all you did in college and we hear "just studied" we immediately think all you did was play video games, drink, go to parties, smoke pot, and generally good around. Then you won't be hired.
 
2013-06-21 02:25:50 PM  
All this advice for the trades, for truck driving, for this and that is great, and young people making these types of decisions should know their options. There is, however, one question that has been avoided in the discussion, especially by those who have issues with education in general and college education in particular: "Is this what you want to do for the next twenty years?"

The answer to that one question is why some people choose college, and some people don't. If you've chosen a field of employment just for the money and know you're going to hate the next twenty years of your life, you had better be earning a good salary with medical insurance, as you'll need it for all the medications for high blood pressure, hypertension, heart disease, ulcers, and other stress related illness.
 
2013-06-21 02:27:32 PM  

BafflerMeal: sovietski: As a nursing school applicant, there are a TON of jobs where I live. We have four hospitals here (Tulsa) that are constantly hiring, regardless of experience.

I just wish I would've done this earlier, but it is what it is.


St. Johns was a good home.


I'll keep that in mind.

Thoughts on St. Francis?
 
2013-06-21 02:29:39 PM  

OldManDownDRoad: Skraeling: Claire Ferris, a 24-year-old from Fergus, Ont., who now lives in Windsor, is a prime example. After graduating from the University of Windsor with a degree in drama and creative writing

im SHOCKED she cant find work.

Unless you hit it big with a novel or screenplay, writers are screwed.


meh.

I had a several friends that were working on their doctorates in English at Rice in Houston. I entered a contest to write a radio commercial and won. -It was actually fairly funny as far as radio advertisements go.

My friends pointed out to me that I have a degree in CS and I was the only one in the room who had actually had a *paid* writing gig.

I also entered a screen writing contest for a new series on TV a while back and got towards the final rounds. While I didn't win, I noticed that another show with almost exactly the same title as the one I had submitted had been created into a sitcom on a sister network the following year.

I'd give this advice to aspiring writers...

1. Do it in your spare time, not as a career unless you *really* know a way to make money off of it.
2. While work is rare, rewards are great, unless you get screwed over, and then there's really no way of proving it. So see #1 again.
 
2013-06-21 02:33:46 PM  
"Oh man, things are turning out the way I told them youths/my kids/my students they would, better shout entitlement to make them look bad for expecting better"

/Joel Stein is a hack
 
2013-06-21 02:34:28 PM  
Getting a kick out of the article since I'm the same age as most of the people in the article and I'm sitting at my current job playing Candy Crush and sending out resumes.

When I was little I told my mom I wanted to be a film critic.  I got 2 degrees in Media Studies.

/at least I have 3 job interviews next week
//I've sent about 100 resumes out in the past 6 months or so
 
2013-06-21 02:38:18 PM  

No Such Agency: Galileo's Daughter:
Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.

Sorry, Canadian article.  Most of our young people can do the math: those thousands in signing bonuses don't pay for as much health insurance as our taxes do in Canada (not to mention living in a fundamentalist-infested "right-to-work" state).


^^^^^^^
THIS.

Better to stay in Canadia.
 
2013-06-21 02:38:45 PM  

miss jinxed: Getting a kick out of the article since I'm the same age as most of the people in the article and I'm sitting at my current job playing Candy Crush and sending out resumes.


You sound like a perfect candidate for me to hire for my imaginary firm.  I can tell who is loyal and diligent from the most cursory exposure.

We'll give you a top secret clearance, $122K a year, an office in Hawaii and complete, unfettered access to all of our most intimate information.
 
2013-06-21 02:43:03 PM  

Maul555: Maul555: I have been feeling this same crunch in the states...  I got layed off in late 07 when the economy took a dump, and then bounced around for a couple of years.  Now it is almost impossible to get back into my career field with all the new over educated kids up for grabs and the imported people from all over the country swamping the Texas job market that I cant hope to compete with.  Add to that the illegal aliens bringing down wages while congress is trying to make them permanent so I can get farked even harder...

I forgot to add that I am non-military living in a military town where everyone and their uncle is screaming "HIRE VETERANS".... and I am not a minority so that hurts me in an affirmative action world...   Basically, everyone else is put at the front of the line before me no matter how early I get there.

/I guess I need to find a 2nd industry to try and get into


I think you need to find the whaaaambulance to try and get into.
 
2013-06-21 02:44:09 PM  

oldfarthenry: ThreeEdgedSword: Yet another story of The Old biatching about The Young out of jealousy.

/Same as it ever was

Jealous? Of what - those tatts & nose-piercings?
I'm getting a tad tired of today's youth telling me to `Hurry up & die!' so they can have my jorb.


Wow.  I mean, I say that to my stepdad but not because I want his job... I just want the beatings to stop.

/redhead
 
2013-06-21 02:45:14 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: FatherChaos: I'll take a job from her, if you know what I'm saying.

Wow, she is remarkably attractive.


FARK translation: I would hit it angry fist penis Duke sucks.
 
2013-06-21 02:47:20 PM  
Even new nursing graduates can find work easily, though they might have to live in the middle of nowhere for a while to gain experience.  Once you have a year or two under your belt, you're good to go almost anywhere.
 
2013-06-21 02:48:55 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: miss jinxed: Getting a kick out of the article since I'm the same age as most of the people in the article and I'm sitting at my current job playing Candy Crush and sending out resumes.

You sound like a perfect candidate for me to hire for my imaginary firm.  I can tell who is loyal and diligent from the most cursory exposure.

We'll give you a top secret clearance, $122K a year, an office in Hawaii and complete, unfettered access to all of our most intimate information.


In a position like mine, that's a perfectly valid use of time, when the govt contract I'm working on in Dec runs out should I start looking for a job then?   Isn't it smarter to take advantage of a lull in current work and search for something to replace a position that is disappearing?
 
2013-06-21 02:49:37 PM  

redmid17: Eponymous: doubled99: No, every generation is not seen the same. As a Generation Xer, I can say we were not generally characterized as whiny and entitled, but instead  lazy and apathetic. Still bad, but slightly less annoying.

Agreed....these millennial hipster douchbags make the X'ers look like fine upstanding citizens.

/Judge Smails was wise beyond his years.

tldr version: Most of the people my age, whom I'm acquainted with, are unemployed are underemployed because they suck, not because companies are conspiring against them.


^^^^^
img.ffffound.com

I went to an Art School for 5 years (because I took a chunk of time doing paid and unpaid internships while in school. I can write a 2 page resume with the relevant experience I've gained) and I can't tell you how much my classmates farking SUCKED at everything.

I once went to a computer lab and saw someone save a resume on the desktop. I clicked it and nearly vomited at the spelling, grammar, and basic math errors that littered the page. The idiot couldn't even spell the name of our school right! And this was a resume that she was writing to get jobs?

Most recent example: I wrote a long-winded rant at 2 a.m to my Career Services Adviser (Who I'm required to keep up-to-date with my job status for the next six months) when I was half-asleep and almost drunk about having to quit my most recent internship due to the company's shady financial practices. She replied that it was the most coherent, thoughtful and well-written e-mail that she has ever gotten from a recent graduate. If something that I shiat out of my A$$ would garner praise from an experienced professional, I can only wonder about my fellow graduates......
 
2013-06-21 02:50:20 PM  

Maul555: Please tell me how it's to my benefit to annoy the gate guards at a govt. agency or company that's large enough to have a fenced in campus?

This is stupid advice for anyone looking for a real job, this might work if you're looking to become an overhead cost for a company.

for real... I tried this at rack-space recently, when a few years ago you could actually get to the front desk.  the gate guard basically told me that anyone that makes unannounced visits is automatically not considered for employment.   That place is like sentient brick wall that refuses any and all attempts at communication.


well... the places I look for work are not so secure.  i'm a lawyer.  the people i seek out are accessible.  i live in a city, there really aren't a lot of fenced in campuses.  there are buildings.  sometimes you have to sign a sheet with a security guard or show id... but, that's a third party security company hired by the building within which whoever I am trying to see owns/leases space.  it's hardly an issue for the employer.  even federal court houses are easy to get into (as long as you don't bring a gun)

/ glad to know only jobs for the government or out in the burbs are real jobs.
 
2013-06-21 02:58:42 PM  

FatherChaos: [img.fark.net image 220x220]

I'll take a job from her, if you know what I'm saying.


I have multiple positions available for her.
 
2013-06-21 03:01:03 PM  

ng2810:  If something that I shiat out of my A$$ would garner praise from an experienced professional, I can only wonder about my fellow graduates......


CSB to match yours:
I took Bio 101 as a Junior instead of Freshman like most folks, so I took it pass/fail.  That semester also turned into my...um...alcoholic semester and I can honestly tell you I don't remember much of it.  I attended class once every two weeks and only showed up to half the labs.  Of the four tests our grades were based on, I got a 48% on one of them.

Once the final grades were curved, I had an 87% in that class.  When I read the scores, with the masses behind me, I just turned around and said "What the holy hell have you people been doing all semester?"

This is essentially what is meant by the "student loan debt problem": people who had no business being there now owe exorbitant sums for something that isn't ever going to help them.
 
2013-06-21 03:04:02 PM  

TelemonianAjax: ng2810:  If something that I shiat out of my A$$ would garner praise from an experienced professional, I can only wonder about my fellow graduates......

CSB to match yours:
I took Bio 101 as a Junior instead of Freshman like most folks, so I took it pass/fail.  That semester also turned into my...um...alcoholic semester and I can honestly tell you I don't remember much of it.  I attended class once every two weeks and only showed up to half the labs.  Of the four tests our grades were based on, I got a 48% on one of them.

Once the final grades were curved, I had an 87% in that class.  When I read the scores, with the masses behind me, I just turned around and said "What the holy hell have you people been doing all semester?"

This is essentially what is meant by the "student loan debt problem": people who had no business being there now owe exorbitant sums for something that isn't ever going to help them.


I took Bio 101 my last semester of school, that too was my alcohol daze semester, and having passed Honors Bio my freshman year of high school, I figured I didn't need to attend lecture except for the tests.   I went to the lab, but they took attendance.    When I showed up for the final the prof thought I wasn't even one of his students.   Anyways, I passed the class, and some people didn't.   I worry for those people.
 
2013-06-21 03:06:46 PM  

Pangea: gnosis301: Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.

"Georgia". I think I found your problem right there.


You may be surprised to learn that not all of Georgia is rural and populated with hillbillies.


True, but all of Georgia is miserably hot and humid in the summertime.
 
2013-06-21 03:07:08 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: miss jinxed: Getting a kick out of the article since I'm the same age as most of the people in the article and I'm sitting at my current job playing Candy Crush and sending out resumes.

You sound like a perfect candidate for me to hire for my imaginary firm.  I can tell who is loyal and diligent from the most cursory exposure.

We'll give you a top secret clearance, $122K a year, an office in Hawaii and complete, unfettered access to all of our most intimate information.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-21 03:09:02 PM  
Hearing about this issue makes me so thankful to be in my field - I'm very lucky in that after I get my degree and get licensed I'll have options. Being a psychologist at a college counseling center is my career goal but in the mean time I could always easily find a job in community mental health if positions aren't available when I start looking for something.

I actually lucked out for once - helps me stay optimistic when the stress of work and grad school get me down.
 
2013-06-21 03:10:18 PM  
"Do what you love, and you'll never work a day in your life."

So true.  My son is going to have a little bit more practical advice on choosing a career.  Something more like "being poor sucks, so do something there is a demand for, even if it's not very much fun.  It's easier to have fun when you have money."
 
2013-06-21 03:11:58 PM  

Mr. Breeze: Pangea: gnosis301: Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.

"Georgia". I think I found your problem right there.


You may be surprised to learn that not all of Georgia is rural and populated with hillbillies.

True, but all of Georgia is miserably hot and humid in the summertime.


My oncologist left her swanky life in farking Beverly Hills (not to mention, ME) to treat cancer patients in Georgia. I still feel bitter about it.
 
2013-06-21 03:13:41 PM  
Girion47:
I took Bio 101 my last semester of school, that too was my alcohol daze semester, and having passed Honors Bio my freshman year of high school, I figured I didn't need to attend lecture except for the tests.   I went to the lab, but they took attendance.    When I showed up for the final the prof thought I wasn't even one of his students.   Anyways, I passed the class, and some people didn't.   I worry for those people.

I remember on one test, when I didn't know the short answer I would write, sequentially (because I didn't know a lot), the plot of The Godfather.

Also, after 12 years, this one still sticks with me:
  Q: How do fish deal with environmental stresses?
  A: A glass of white wine and a fin massage.

That poor TA...
 
2013-06-21 03:14:18 PM  

sugarhi: Hearing about this issue makes me so thankful to be in my field - I'm very lucky in that after I get my degree and get licensed I'll have options. Being a psychologist at a college counseling center is my career goal ...


Stopped reading there.  Holy cow, the real world is about to punch you in the stomach.  Get ready.
 
2013-06-21 03:16:09 PM  

oldfarthenry: ThreeEdgedSword: Yet another story of The Old biatching about The Young out of jealousy.

/Same as it ever was

Jealous? Of what - those tatts & nose-piercings?
I'm getting a tad tired of today's youth telling me to `Hurry up & die!' so they can have my jorb.


Oh, yeah, I'm sure the most proportionally disenfranchised generation in U.S. history is so because of tattoos.  You've totally solved all our social problems.
 
2013-06-21 03:17:08 PM  
pute kisses: like a man  when looking for a job. no one hires people from a resume or a phone call (applies to online apps).  go in to the place everyday to meet whoever is hiring.  get to know the the secretary.  if you have to, bring cookies.  be annoying. at least they won't forget you.  even if they don't hire you, check up on them frequently in case they have another position open.  this degree of nuisance will get you something productive.  maybe not a job, but at least some new contacts.  (essentially, be shameless)

I never, ever talked to people who just showed up like that. It's very rude. You expect me to just drop what I'm doing to talk to you? You have no respect for my time and lack a basic understanding of how people work. You have poor judgement and are clearly willing to waste time doing something pointless.

If someone sent me a resume and followed-up and said they just wanted to talk about the industry, I'd make time to talk to them, at an appointed time and date.

As for sitting there waiting or being a nuisance, I had had a couple of people try that. I had security remove them because they were creeping out the CSRs.
 
2013-06-21 03:18:13 PM  

ng2810: Mr. Breeze: Pangea: gnosis301: Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.

"Georgia". I think I found your problem right there.


You may be surprised to learn that not all of Georgia is rural and populated with hillbillies.

True, but all of Georgia is miserably hot and humid in the summertime.

My oncologist left her swanky life in farking Beverly Hills (not to mention, ME) to treat cancer patients in Georgia. I still feel bitter about it.


That's unfortunate for you. Just comfort yourself with knowing that she is living (and suffering) in Georgia.
 
2013-06-21 03:20:20 PM  

sugarhi: Hearing about this issue makes me so thankful to be in my field - I'm very lucky in that after I get my degree and get licensed I'll have options. Being a psychologist at a college counseling center is my career goal but in the mean time I could always easily find a job in community mental health if positions aren't available when I start looking for something.

I actually lucked out for once - helps me stay optimistic when the stress of work and grad school get me down.


We should network, I'm actually having issues trying to accomplish this in Flori-DUH.

/please, help me escape
 
2013-06-21 03:22:28 PM  

Joe1549: Hmm... technology increases making the economy too efficient, so there's not enough jobs for everyone. Color me surprised. This will keep on happening, and get worse as technology gets more efficient.


Yeah.  There is no way that people will creatively adapt or innovate with new technology to create new jobs that were never even thought of before programming jobs came about from the new invention of some computer thingy that wiped out all the stenographers.

*eyeroll at the one person that watches Golden Girl reruns for the thrills*
 
2013-06-21 03:22:59 PM  

spiderpaz: sugarhi: Hearing about this issue makes me so thankful to be in my field - I'm very lucky in that after I get my degree and get licensed I'll have options. Being a psychologist at a college counseling center is my career goal ...

Stopped reading there.  Holy cow, the real world is about to punch you in the stomach.  Get ready.


Not actually - there are TONS of jobs in community mental health out there, and I'm already working at a private practice. Additionally, the majority of recent graduates from my program have had little difficulty getting jobs in the field, whether it be at hospitals, VAs, group private practices, or college counseling centers.

If you're not in the field yourself how would you know? There's a huge demand for jobs in mental health, and the statistics of graduates from my program and others actually disprove your assumption.
 
2013-06-21 03:23:43 PM  

spiderpaz: "Do what you love, and you'll never work a day in your life."

So true.  My son is going to have a little bit more practical advice on choosing a career.  Something more like "being poor sucks, so do something there is a demand for, even if it's not very much fun.  It's easier to have fun when you have money."


How about "Do what you want, but be really good at it." Distinguishing yourself and finding a market for what you are good at is much more valuable than turning yourself into a commodity. The catch is that getting really good at something usually involves doing stuff that isn't fun at some point.
 
2013-06-21 03:25:16 PM  

What_do_you_want_now: sugarhi: Hearing about this issue makes me so thankful to be in my field - I'm very lucky in that after I get my degree and get licensed I'll have options. Being a psychologist at a college counseling center is my career goal but in the mean time I could always easily find a job in community mental health if positions aren't available when I start looking for something.

I actually lucked out for once - helps me stay optimistic when the stress of work and grad school get me down.

We should network, I'm actually having issues trying to accomplish this in Flori-DUH.

/please, help me escape


Well maybe that's your problem, haha. But sure, shoot me an email if you'd like to chat (in profile) - its always helpful to network!
 
2013-06-21 03:26:54 PM  
My wife just finished getting her very own useless degree and is now seriously considering joining me in the trades. If nothing else, watching her try to bend electrical conduit would be worth what I paid for her schooling.
 
2013-06-21 03:27:34 PM  

TelemonianAjax: ng2810:  If something that I shiat out of my A$$ would garner praise from an experienced professional, I can only wonder about my fellow graduates......

CSB to match yours:
I took Bio 101 as a Junior instead of Freshman like most folks, so I took it pass/fail.  That semester also turned into my...um...alcoholic semester and I can honestly tell you I don't remember much of it.  I attended class once every two weeks and only showed up to half the labs.  Of the four tests our grades were based on, I got a 48% on one of them.

Once the final grades were curved, I had an 87% in that class.  When I read the scores, with the masses behind me, I just turned around and said "What the holy hell have you people been doing all semester?"

This is essentially what is meant by the "student loan debt problem": people who had no business being there now owe exorbitant sums for something that isn't ever going to help them.


I was a CS grad.  Basically didn't have a life all through college to the point of mounting my screen on the head of my bed and not getting out of bed for 2-3 days at a time because I was working on 16 credits where 1 class could be 40-60 hours a week.  Where everyone else was drinking, I was chugging caffeine pills.

Not-CSB 1:

Final project, final class, everyone's about to graduate.  Working in a group.  2 of the group had taken EECS 381, the stupidly hard 60+-hour per week class that teaches you how to really, really, really use C++ and some of the basics of program architecture.  2 of the group hadn't.

We're discussing how to architect our game, and I mention that maybe we should use a virtual function.  The 2 guys who hadn't both look up and say in unison "What's a virtual function?".  And then I was appalled, and then I wasted 20 minutes explaining this simple, incredibly critical idea that's a fundamental underlying concept of C++ OOP.

/So lesson is: Michigan CS grads who haven't taken EECS 381 are probably shiat.  Michigan grads who have taken EECS 381 are on the shortlist (which is still really long) for Google.

Not-CSB2:

I once took a class where the class average on the true-false was less than 50%. I got a 55% and ended up with a B+.

/Mind you, it was a theory class, so that was kind of the point.  One really good theorist is more important than thousands of mediocre theorists.
 
2013-06-21 03:28:26 PM  

kriegsgeist: spiderpaz: "Do what you love, and you'll never work a day in your life."

So true.  My son is going to have a little bit more practical advice on choosing a career.  Something more like "being poor sucks, so do something there is a demand for, even if it's not very much fun.  It's easier to have fun when you have money."

How about "Do what you want, but be really good at it." Distinguishing yourself and finding a market for what you are good at is much more valuable than turning yourself into a commodity. The catch is that getting really good at something usually involves doing stuff that isn't fun at some point.


Sure, go study film, and try to become a movie director - but if you're not in the top %0.001 of people in that field, get ready to be poor.  Or be an averagish engineer, and you can buy a house, have saving, security, retirement etc.  They're really equal options.
 
2013-06-21 03:28:52 PM  

Skraeling: Claire Ferris, a 24-year-old from Fergus, Ont., who now lives in Windsor, is a prime example. After graduating from the University of Windsor with a degree in drama and creative writing

im SHOCKED she cant find work.


I manage a loading dock and we have someone that is sporting a double degree in dance and public speaking.
 
2013-06-21 03:32:54 PM  
If I could, I'd change every Fine Arts program in the country to require a minor in marketing. You don't need to be talented. You need to know how to get out there, and sell your product. Your art is a product too, in spite of what your dipsh*t art professors tell you.

The hungry, driven, and connected get work in the arts. The self-important schlubs don't.
 
2013-06-21 03:34:19 PM  
cleaning poop is a noble career.
 
2013-06-21 03:35:07 PM  

Lokasenna: My wife just finished getting her very own useless degree and is now seriously considering joining me in the trades. If nothing else, watching her try to bend electrical conduit would be worth what I paid for her schooling.


Sounds like my hubby.  He's an electrician paying for my 'useless' degrees.  I actually joked that I should go into the trades but he didn't find it funny.
 
2013-06-21 03:37:31 PM  

Carn: It seems to me that one of the biggest problems with this recession in the US has been people who were out of work were also tied up in their homes and unable to sell so they can move to somewhere with more jobs in their field.  This sort of problem doesn't exist for young people so I would expect there to be a lot of young folks moving these days to areas with positive job markets.  Now when the market sucks in general it can be very hard for newbies to find work so I do sympathize.

/graduated in 2001 looking for programming job after .com bubble burst
//moved to NoVA from Indy


though it's not the case with this article, I think a lot of the problems have also been due to ridiculous education requirements from employers.  I don't know how we ended up trending in that direction, but there are jobs which should pay a living wage and not expect a candidate with a PhD in the field.  I have watched seen decent candidates get passed on because they lacked enough formal education even though their experience and references were fine.
 
2013-06-21 03:37:59 PM  

spiderpaz: Sure, go study film, and try to become a movie director - but if you're not in the top %0.001 of people in that field, get ready to be poor.  Or be an averagish engineer, and you can buy a house, have saving, security, retirement etc.  They're really equal options.


And to buttress this bullsh*t with what I just said, a failed filmmaker can end up as a technician, engineer, producer, designer, assistant director, equipment operator, stage manager, casting director, agent, promoter, teacher - any number of other jobs in the entertainment industry.

But you have to work for it. These jobs do not get posted on Monster.com, and usually require tons of self-initiative, willingness to work weird hours and travel, and are at times feast-or-famine.
 
2013-06-21 03:40:27 PM  

verbaltoxin: spiderpaz: Sure, go study film, and try to become a movie director - but if you're not in the top %0.001 of people in that field, get ready to be poor.  Or be an averagish engineer, and you can buy a house, have saving, security, retirement etc.  They're really equal options.

And to buttress this bullsh*t with what I just said, a failed filmmaker can end up as a technician, engineer, producer, designer, assistant director, equipment operator, stage manager, casting director, agent, promoter, teacher - any number of other jobs in the entertainment industry.

But you have to work for it. These jobs do not get posted on Monster.com, and usually require tons of self-initiative, willingness to work weird hours and travel, and are at times feast-or-famine.


"Can" is the operative word in that sentence.  They can also (and very likely will) end up working in retail with high school educated superiors managing them to pay off all those loans.
 
2013-06-21 03:42:06 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: miss jinxed: Getting a kick out of the article since I'm the same age as most of the people in the article and I'm sitting at my current job playing Candy Crush and sending out resumes.

You sound like a perfect candidate for me to hire for my imaginary firm.  I can tell who is loyal and diligent from the most cursory exposure.

We'll give you a top secret clearance, $122K a year, an office in Hawaii and complete, unfettered access to all of our most intimate information.


OMG, really!!!! When can I come interview?

Actually, I'm handle sensitive information, both personal and office related, for multiple people, it has never been an issue.

But honestly, in the industry I work and the part of the country I work in, work on Friday is just non-existent.  Everyone is already heading off to their weekend summer homes, or getting ready for parties, or something like that.  So  I don't have a lot going on.  And I'm still doing actual real work for my office.
 
2013-06-21 03:46:47 PM  
FTFA:  "We have been told since we were born that we could be anything..."

/Well now there's your problem Missy.

//Proud Gen-Xer
 
2013-06-21 03:48:10 PM  

spiderpaz: verbaltoxin: spiderpaz: Sure, go study film, and try to become a movie director - but if you're not in the top %0.001 of people in that field, get ready to be poor.  Or be an averagish engineer, and you can buy a house, have saving, security, retirement etc.  They're really equal options.

And to buttress this bullsh*t with what I just said, a failed filmmaker can end up as a technician, engineer, producer, designer, assistant director, equipment operator, stage manager, casting director, agent, promoter, teacher - any number of other jobs in the entertainment industry.

But you have to work for it. These jobs do not get posted on Monster.com, and usually require tons of self-initiative, willingness to work weird hours and travel, and are at times feast-or-famine.

"Can" is the operative word in that sentence.  They can also (and very likely will) end up working in retail with high school educated superiors managing them to pay off all those loans.


Way to skip a whole paragraph so you can pour on some more bullsh*t.

Let's say I were a film director. What did I learn in my experiences?

- How to start a project from the ground, which requires budget, financing, equipment, logistics, personnel, and location.
- How to resolve personnel disputes (Can you imagine managing anybody more needy and annoying than actors?).
- How to deal with complex management and work across multiple agencies (Producers, studios, theaters, distributors).
- How to market the product so it can recoup its budget or make a profit.
- How to use graphics and film editing software.
- How to run my own goddamned business, because that's what being a director essentially is, especially if you're independent.

Yeah, there are no companies whatsoever that could use skills like these. None. They're all hiring engineers and only engineers.

Because engineers never need project managers, human resources, financial managers, client representatives or any other support personnel to keep their little projects from going over-budget and burning the building to the ground.

Right.
 
2013-06-21 03:50:00 PM  

No Such Agency: Galileo's Daughter:
Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.

Sorry, Canadian article.  Most of our young people can do the math: those thousands in signing bonuses don't pay for as much health insurance as our taxes do in Canada (not to mention living in a fundamentalist-infested "right-to-work" state).


So they'd rather other people pay for their healthcare, then? :-P
 
2013-06-21 03:56:14 PM  

Maul555: I have been feeling this same crunch in the states...  I got layed off in late 07 when the economy took a dump, and then bounced around for a couple of years.  Now it is almost impossible to get back into my career field with all the new over educated kids up for grabs and the imported people from all over the country swamping the Texas job market that I cant hope to compete with.  Add to that the illegal aliens bringing down wages while congress is trying to make them permanent so I can get farked even harder...


You sound uneducated
 
2013-06-21 03:57:15 PM  
News flash: There are way too many farking lawyers students. How do you not know this?
 
2013-06-21 03:58:56 PM  

verbaltoxin: Let's say I were a film director. What did I learn in my experiences?

- How to start a project from the ground, which requires budget, financing, equipment, logistics, personnel, and location.
- How to resolve personnel disputes (Can you imagine managing anybody more needy and annoying than actors?).
- How to deal with complex management and work across multiple agencies (Producers, studios, theaters, distributors).
- How to market the product so it can recoup its budget or make a profit.
- How to use graphics and film editing software.
- How to run my own goddamned business, because that's what being a director essentially is, especially if you're independent.

Yeah, there are no companies whatsoever that could use skills like these. None. They're all hiring engineers and only engineers.

Because engineers never need project managers, human resources, financial managers, client representatives or any other support personnel to keep their little projects from going over-budget and burning the building to the ground.


1) A failed film student might not get that experience, otherwise, they wouldn't really be failed.
2) Why would an engineering firm hire someone with a film degree for that job instead of someone in the engineering field with a logistics background?

It's not like I'm deciding that this is the way the world works.  That's what TFA is about, and a dozen like it every day.  You're perpetuating the same stupid ideas that created this problem with too many kids, with impractical degrees looking for work.
 
2013-06-21 03:59:22 PM  

overlord_mike: The main problem I'm seeing is that there are tons of jobs out there, but they want experience even for entry level positions and that makes it hard for new grads to get into their desired field.


Here's a tip - any job that lists 1-3 years experience wanted is entry level and they're looking for someone fresh out of school. Any job that lists 3-5 years would take you if you're especially impressive. My first job out if college was listed as minimum 3 years experience. Too many recent grads just give up when they don't see any entry level positions. Also, this "I can't get a job because I don't have experience because I can't get a job" thing has been happening since people started working, nothing new or unique.
 
2013-06-21 04:00:26 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: miss jinxed: Getting a kick out of the article since I'm the same age as most of the people in the article and I'm sitting at my current job playing Candy Crush and sending out resumes.

You sound like a perfect candidate for me to hire for my imaginary firm.  I can tell who is loyal and diligent from the most cursory exposure.

We'll give you a top secret clearance, $122K a year, an office in Hawaii and complete, unfettered access to all of our most intimate information.


Not only will I do this job ... I will do it from Hong Kong
 
2013-06-21 04:00:44 PM  
Nursing? That's horseshiat. There's a nursing shortage. If you can't find a job as a nurse, you're apparently unwilling to relocate.
 
2013-06-21 04:01:06 PM  
BgJonson79:
No Such Agency: Galileo's Daughter:
Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.

Sorry, Canadian article.  Most of our young people can do the math: those thousands in signing bonuses don't pay for as much health insurance as our taxes do in Canada (not to mention living in a fundamentalist-infested "right-to-work" state).

So they'd rather other people pay for their healthcare, then? :-P


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TAXES HOW DO THEY WORK

Generally if you're young and healthy enough to work, on the average you're paying for other people's health care, for the time being.
 
2013-06-21 04:01:57 PM  

Joe1549: Hmm... technology increases making the economy too efficient, so there's not enough jobs for everyone. Color me surprised. This will keep on happening, and get worse as technology gets more efficient.


Keep in mind that the last time this happened, it was called the Industrial Revolution.

Large-scale low-labor farming techniques improved yields immensely, forcing millions of small farmers off their land.  They all went inwards to the cities, and worked in hellish conditions in manufacturing.  Eventually, a combination of labor unions, large-scale infrastructure projects to prevent things like dumping raw sewage into the rivers, and the simple fact that increasing industrial production by 2 orders of magnitude over a couple of centuries (while increasing population by 1 order) was eventually going to lift all boats to at least some extent created the modern manufacturing economy we knew and loved during the 1950's.

Since then, a combination of robots and computers on the high end and Chinese workers working for 10 cents a day has wiped out or replaced entire industries (outsourceable manufacturing, secretaries, etc) while leaving others behind (Data entry worker isn't terribly useful).  We're at the "Millions of people get kicked off their land, head to cities and starve while working for pennies a day because they're infinitely replaceable, making the people with money and resources even richer in the process" Gilded Era phase, not the " Modern version of TR shows up and institutes massive reforms now that the new industries have shown up, shaken out and we've eked out another order of magnitude of production on top of the first two (Seriously.  Industrial Revolution numbers are scary.  They're exponential even on log charts. Even Real GDP/Capita did a good order of magnitude between the start and the end.  It wasn't terribly fair, but man there was a lot of money floating around)" phase.

Honestly, what's really screwing people this time around though is that in the First Industrial Revolution, agriculture => manufacturing was an easy transition.  If you were strong and hardworking enough to farm, you were strong and hard-working enough to go work in a factory 12 hours a day.

But this time, the jobs getting wiped out (Manufacturing, secretaries, etc) don't really transition well to the high-paying new jobs (Software programmers).  There's probably a good decade of experience involved in becoming a good engineer.  The newly-useless can't take 5 years off to go back to school.  Even if they have the aptitude, they have kids and a mortgage.  There's some movement between manufacturing and the trades, but  they can't become ditch-diggers or construction workers since these days it's a backhoe and 3 guys with serious tools and (at least in theory) years of experience and training instead of hundreds of guys with picks and hammers (and when theory fails, it's Hispanics who don't speak English working for less than minimum wage).  And the women are screwed.  Any job that requires sheer physical strength is more or less off-limits to 90% of all women.  So if they don't have the education, and they don't have the physical ability, they're screwed.

WIth that said, for the kids entering college:

* T,E, and possibly M are great IFF you have the aptitude and the drive to put in 80-120 hour weeks through much of school.   S has a problem where since it's not directly valuable (and has a massive glut because of all the STEM majors), it's not a great place to make money.

* Look at the average because you are probably average.  Average engineer has an ok house and a nice car in a good neighborhood.  Average actor is waiting tables.  Average PHD in Medieval Lit is overqualified to wait tables and has $200K of student debt they can never get rid of.

* Trades are great because they're not outsourceable.  A plumber here charging $50/hour does me a lot more good than a plumber in China charging 10c/hour.  The second richest of my father's 12 brothers and sisters is a truck driver with a high school diploma (the richest was a mover, went to night school, and ended up a high-up muckity-muck at Ford).  He works 4 days a week, and has a fantastic pension (and is close enough to retirement he'll probably keep it).

* If you're poor, stay the fark away from the coasts.  Your wages stay flat while your rent quadruples.

* If you're rich, get out to the coasts.  Wages go up way faster for programmers/engineers than COL (with the oddball exception of Detroit and surround, which pays like 2x what it "should" be paying given the COL).

* COL matters.  For people from the midwest, $75K/year is not rich in NYC.  It's probably roommate/hour-long commute/both wages.  By the same token, NYC people, $50K in the right midwestern city can be worth a LOT.  My mother just sold the house I grew up in for $150K, and Dad's renting 1000 sq. ft. for $550/month.   And the midwestern cities actually build infrastructure, so commutes aren't hellish nightmares (Chicago doesn't count.  Chicago wishes it was on the East Coast).

* Stay the fark away from political jobs for at least the next few decades.  By "political jobs", I mean any job where your compensation is part of a political debate (healthcare) or partly or wholly government funded(teachers).  The combination of pensions on the state and city level as well as SS and Medicare means that you're about to see a massive crunch.

* Stay the fark away from whatever is hot right now unless you're really, really good.  Everyone else is hearing that it's hot, majoring in it, and then creating a glut 4 years from now when the market crashes and these shiny new grads can't find jobs.

* Don't be afraid to move.  Your local market might be farked, but it doesn't mean that everywhere else is.

* The top end of any market is really farked-up.  Like "Your salary is somewhere between a tenth and a half of your total income depending on what you're doing and how and you have no conception of how actual normal people are doing".   This is especially true for Silicon Valley programmers, where you can create a business, limp it along for a couple years (while paying yourself a "I am quite comfortable, thank you" salary), get noticed by [Insert Large company here] and get acqui-hired at $1 million/head (though not all of that goes to you.  Some goes to your VC.  Between that and taxes, you're lucky to clear a couple hundred K, which is nothing in Silicon Valley).  You can make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year by failing.
 
2013-06-21 04:07:31 PM  

Kristoph57: "Follow your passion!"*

*As long as your passion is in a marketable field. Otherwise, good luck, and I'll have that burger medium rare.


"Find something you love doing and make that into a job!"*

*If what you love matches up with industry expectations. Otherwise, good luck, and I'll have that burger medium rare.


"In order to succeed in life, you must pursue higher education!"*

*This statement is opinion of the Canadian College Accreditation Board and is not a guarantee of success. Your results may vary.. and I want whipped cream and a dash of cinnamon on my coffee drink.

"You earn more money by having a college degree under your belt."*

*The college & the banks earn more money by you having a college degree under your belt. We've managed to flood the market with "graduates", and now you're no longer special enough. Try another student loan, something larger, maybe in the Doctorate size? Sign here.


I tried that with chemistry. Turns out science skills won't pay the bills. Seriously though, they'd rather hire some jag off that barely got a BS/BA in chemistry so they can pay them 12/hr at most on contract and will screw up often instead of somebody who knows shiat and pay them 17-20 an hour. I'll share a situation I had. I was asked if I knew an instrument, they even asked a specific brand and model number, I said yes, I had used that exact instrument for years in research only to be immediately told that it didn't count because it wasn't industry experience. I'd be more pissed with the situation if I had gone to an overpriced university and gotten 5-6 figure amounts of debt, luckily I am debt free. I'm not exactly where I expected I'd be but at least I'm not in some deep hole filling with water.
 
2013-06-21 04:07:57 PM  

spiderpaz: 2) Why would an engineering firm hire someone with a film degree for that job instead of someone in the engineering field with a logistics background?


Exactly. Engineering project managers are a dime a dozen, but even so, the best ones tend to be failed engineers. They have the degree and work experience credentials, but for a large variety of reasons, they prefer project management to actually doing the engineering work. Some couldn't cut it, some were brilliant but got burned out, some didn't keep up with changing tech, some just wanted a change, etc. But if you're looking for an engineering PM, you start with someone who has engineering credentials in your field. I just can't imagine doing anything else, especially in a buyers job market like we have in the economy today, dozens and dozens of qualified people applying for a single position, etc.
 
2013-06-21 04:17:34 PM  
For those of you who are saying "just move to where the jobs are..."

I've made about 6 interstate moves in the past decade both with family and without family (plus numerous in-state).  Moving is hell-on-earth when you have more than yourself to worry about.  Coordinating with a spouse is hard enough, nevermind a child who might be in school or have other ties.  (We're military, so it has even extra complications, but I'm factoring those out.)

And, for those who are not used to dealing with the South, the religious fundies and the ridiculously low pay scale don't really make it worthwhile.  Even if you rationally know it's not everybody, it's still really uncomfortable for people who aren't used to that kind of thing (and/or are Jewish).  The crap pay (comparative to the Northeast) and the fact that most of the public schools are awful don't help.
 
2013-06-21 04:18:36 PM  

No Such Agency: BgJonson79:
No Such Agency: Galileo's Daughter:
Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.

Sorry, Canadian article.  Most of our young people can do the math: those thousands in signing bonuses don't pay for as much health insurance as our taxes do in Canada (not to mention living in a fundamentalist-infested "right-to-work" state).

So they'd rather other people pay for their healthcare, then? :-P

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TAXES HOW DO THEY WORK

Generally if you're young and healthy enough to work, on the average you're paying for other people's health care, for the time being.


Hey, that's how the Canadians decided to do it.  If it works for 'em, then awesome!
 
2013-06-21 04:26:14 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: Lack of jobs in nursing?  Are you kidding?  Here in Georgia, hospitals are paying thousands of dollars in sign-on bonuses to nurses.


Yea, I was thinking that myself

when has there ever been a lack of need for nurses
 
2013-06-21 04:29:23 PM  

loonatic112358: Yea, I was thinking that myself

when has there ever been a lack of need for nurses


Is this were I take a strong demand for experienced nurses with years of experience and extrapolate from there and assume the job market for entry-level nurses is equally strong?
 
2013-06-21 05:09:08 PM  
S.744  -  "Comprehensive Immigration Reform"

This is the new Union-member bill/new voter Bill/lower cost Wages bill

Prepare to find even less work and for lower wages.

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2013-06-21 05:10:57 PM  
I have met a goodly number of Canadian nurses who have moved to the southern U.S.

There is no lack of jobs, the cost of living is lower, taxes are lower, everything costs less and that more than offsets any reduction in wage scale.

As for the south being a cesspool of religious, cultural and racial intolerance:  that is pretty much in the imagination of the beholder, or perhaps people who haven't checked a calendar in the last 50 years.

The south is a live--and--let--live place, and if you don't bother other people they will not bother you.  However if you are a rude overbearing sort, you ill find as much rejection there as anyplace else, and as usual you will blame others for your own shortcomings.

Minorities are moving in at a rapid rate, we must be doing something right.
 
2013-06-21 05:28:01 PM  

groppet: Skraeling: Claire Ferris, a 24-year-old from Fergus, Ont., who now lives in Windsor, is a prime example. After graduating from the University of Windsor with a degree in drama and creative writing

im SHOCKED she cant find work.

I manage a loading dock and we have someone that is sporting a double degree in dance and public speaking.


I bet he waves the trucks in real nice...
 
2013-06-21 05:43:53 PM  
If you can't get a job as a nurse there is something very wrong with your personality.  Most places are begging for new people.
 
2013-06-21 05:48:13 PM  

redmid17: OldManDownDRoad: redmid17:
I know kids from high school that have been making more per annum since 19 than most of my college graduate friends make now at 26/27. It might not be awesome or a name dropper, but you can make a shiat ton of money. I'd have to double check but IIRC the two "richest" friends of mine from growing up had a a dad who started out as an plumber turned GC and an electrician turned SW developer. Neither father went to college.

My best friend from college became a GC and did very well - at one point he was running five crews and sitting in a very nice office, answering the phone while they raked in the bucks for him.

The other side of that coin was the collapse of the housing industry starting in 2006. By 2009 he was back to swinging a hammer during the day and staying up all night taking care of the paperwork (contracts, take-offs, estimates, supplier bills, etc). He finally gave up and took a job teaching shop at the local high school. He still does remodels and repairs and keeps his license up-to-date, but he says he'll never build another house.

Which is a shame, because he built solid houses and a lot of his business was return customers. But every industry has its weak points.

And besides, you can't fart or tell dirty jokes in shop class.

Man school has changed since I graduated in 2004.


Are we seriously at the point where someone out of high school for less than a decade is telling us about the gold old days? Fark me, I'm old a dirt.

/born at the very tail end of the 60s
 
2013-06-21 05:49:51 PM  

meyerkev: Joe1549: Hmm... technology increases making the economy too efficient, so there's not enough jobs for everyone. Color me surprised. This will keep on happening, and get worse as technology gets more efficient.

Keep in mind that the last time this happened, it was called the Industrial Revolution.

Large-scale low-labor farming techniques improved yields immensely, forcing millions of small farmers off their land.  They all went inwards to the cities, and worked in hellish conditions in manufacturing.  Eventually, a combination of labor unions, large-scale infrastructure projects to prevent things like dumping raw sewage into the rivers, and the simple fact that increasing industrial production by 2 orders of magnitude over a couple of centuries (while increasing population by 1 order) was eventually going to lift all boats to at least some extent created the modern manufacturing economy we knew and loved during the 1950's.

Since then, a combination of robots and computers on the high end and Chinese workers working for 10 cents a day has wiped out or replaced entire industries (outsourceable manufacturing, secretaries, etc) while leaving others behind (Data entry worker isn't terribly useful).  We're at the "Millions of people get kicked off their land, head to cities and starve while working for pennies a day because they're infinitely replaceable, making the people with money and resources even richer in the process" Gilded Era phase, not the " Modern version of TR shows up and institutes massive reforms now that the new industries have shown up, shaken out and we've eked out another order of magnitude of production on top of the first two (Seriously.  Industrial Revolution numbers are scary.  They're exponential even on log charts. Even Real GDP/Capita did a good order of magnitude between the start and the end.  It wasn't terribly fair, but man there was a lot of money floating around)" phase.

Honestly, what's really screwing people this time around though is ...


wow.  less is more.
 
2013-06-21 06:02:45 PM  

Jument: redmid17: OldManDownDRoad: redmid17:
I know kids from high school that have been making more per annum since 19 than most of my college graduate friends make now at 26/27. It might not be awesome or a name dropper, but you can make a shiat ton of money. I'd have to double check but IIRC the two "richest" friends of mine from growing up had a a dad who started out as an plumber turned GC and an electrician turned SW developer. Neither father went to college.

My best friend from college became a GC and did very well - at one point he was running five crews and sitting in a very nice office, answering the phone while they raked in the bucks for him.

The other side of that coin was the collapse of the housing industry starting in 2006. By 2009 he was back to swinging a hammer during the day and staying up all night taking care of the paperwork (contracts, take-offs, estimates, supplier bills, etc). He finally gave up and took a job teaching shop at the local high school. He still does remodels and repairs and keeps his license up-to-date, but he says he'll never build another house.

Which is a shame, because he built solid houses and a lot of his business was return customers. But every industry has its weak points.

And besides, you can't fart or tell dirty jokes in shop class.

Man school has changed since I graduated in 2004.

Are we seriously at the point where someone out of high school for less than a decade is telling us about the gold old days? Fark me, I'm old a dirt.

/born at the very tail end of the 60s


I blame school administrators, zero tolerance, and lack of dodge ball during passing period.
 
2013-06-21 06:04:03 PM  

olddinosaur: As for the south being a cesspool of religious, cultural and racial intolerance: that is pretty much in the imagination of the beholder, or perhaps people who haven't checked a calendar in the last 50 years.


I think you need to visit the Paula Deen thread and educate yourself about the state of racism in the south present day.  It hasn't changed THAT much.  Strom Therman, (R) S. Carolina (the man who filibustered for a record 24 hours against a civil rights bill) was re-elected over and over until he died in office in 2003 at the age of 101.  Racism is still quite popular down there.  They're still dragging their feet and resisting implementing aspects of the Civil Rights until they are forced.  And what do you think the real purpose is for all the laws trying to address the imaginary voter fraud problem is?  It's the modern day version of the literacy test, meant to disenfranchise blacks and keep them from voting.
 
2013-06-21 06:05:49 PM  

Maul555: Maul555: I have been feeling this same crunch in the states...  I got layed off in late 07 when the economy took a dump, and then bounced around for a couple of years.  Now it is almost impossible to get back into my career field with all the new over educated kids up for grabs and the imported people from all over the country swamping the Texas job market that I cant hope to compete with.  Add to that the illegal aliens bringing down wages while congress is trying to make them permanent so I can get farked even harder...

I forgot to add that I am non-military living in a military town where everyone and their uncle is screaming "HIRE VETERANS".... and I am not a minority so that hurts me in an affirmative action world...   Basically, everyone else is put at the front of the line before me no matter how early I get there.

/I guess I need to find a 2nd industry to try and get into


You are either in an industry so specialized that only a federal contractor can do it, or you have no farking clue what Affirmative Action is. Guess which is more likely?
 
2013-06-21 06:13:48 PM  

Semi-Sane: These young kids are not boot strappy enough to create their own businesses. If you can't find a job create your own job.


Actually, not so much. I moved because my husband's job is the kind you have to move for, and since it was to an area with abso-effing-lutely nothing in my field, I spent a month retraining myself, took tests and got some certifications, got into a new field and started a small business. And then my only local competitor hired me into management, which was actually great because it meant I wasn't absolutely alone with no back-up if two or more clients needed me at once.

We recently had to move again, once more for hubby's work, and I've used my savings to start the business back up again, this time in a new state and with a deeper specialization so I really don't have any competitors. It's been three months and already I have ten bread-and-butter clients who have me on retainer and several other hourly and once-a-week appointments, as well as enough revenue to take a paycheck two months out of the three while still investing heavily into the business itself. I've kept the overhead very low and by advertising to an under-served demographic, I really think I have something going here.

My plan, if I can get enough money together and find a company or cooperative group plan that will let me offer decent benefits, is to hire my first two employees by next February, in time for my twenty-eighth birthday.

Millenials are not lazy or entitled as a generation so much as those of us who are neither are far too busy to talk to reporters. It's like how you never hear from Christians who aren't sanctimonious anti-gay assholes or from retail employees who are paid decently and given fair benefits. Millenials who are willing to work, innovate and even say "Well, can't use THAT degree here, better train myself in something I can pair with it easily and keep going," aren't rare, we're just...quiet.

A 24-year-old friend of mine is into real estate now and owns a small apartment building with all units save her own rented to people older than she is, and a fellow 27-year-old saw the writing on the wall, spent her 2 and 3L years night-classing it at community college and is now a licensed,  attorney with her electrician and plumber's licenses...which both saw her through the bad days of unemployment my making it self-employment and got her into a firm that specializes in going after crooked contractors and landlords. And still another friend is 28, took a degree in, I shiat you not, English Lit (there was a scholarship involved,) and parleyed that and a fondness for working on older Japanese cars into a modest buy-here, pay-here car dealership that employs four people and has kept her clients able to get to work. (Her sole indulgence was paying off her aging parents' mortgage four years early as a gift and the car she drives is still the same sort of high-mileage Toyota or Honda she's always had, because her advertising tagline is "I won't sell you a car I wouldn't drive myself.") I don't agree with her interest rates, but I can't argue with her success, and she does TRY to give people who stop paying the chance to keep their cars, which is more than I can say for her competitors.

Of course, we're all married to guys in the STEM fields, so we had health benefits from our husbands to keep us safe from financial ruin and, in some cases, cover the student-loans while we pursued these dreams, but fix the healthcare problem and any Millenial with brains and drive can succeed in the post-crash economy. Because we whiny Millenials do have a point about the tuition costs, the student loans and the inaccessibility of decent healthcare. A lot of us can't responsibly even consider having ANY children, let alone enough to replace the dying and retiring workers, so the joke's on you Boomers when Social Security takes a hit in your seventies.
 
2013-06-21 06:18:30 PM  

verbaltoxin: Way to skip a whole paragraph so you can pour on some more bullsh*t.

Let's say I were a film director. What did I learn in my experiences?

- How to start a project from the ground, which requires budget, financing, equipment, logistics, personnel, and location.
- How to resolve personnel disputes (Can you imagine managing anybody more needy and annoying than actors?).
- How to deal with complex management and work across multiple agencies (Producers, studios, theaters, distributors).
- How to market the product so it can recoup its budget or make a profit.
- How to use graphics and film editing software.
- How to run my own goddamned business, because that's what being a director essentially is, especially if you're independent.

Yeah, there are no companies whatsoever that could use skills like these. None. They're all hiring engineers and only engineers.

Because engineers never need project managers, human resources, financial managers, client representatives or any other support personnel to keep their little projects from going over-budget and burning the building to the ground.

Right.


The experience you just listed might get an interview as graphic designer. Anything actually related to an engineering project or technology project is looking for someone who actually knows the field. It's counterproductive to get a PM who knows nothing about what they are trying to coordinate. Your experience balancing budgets on a movie set isn't going to be very useful either as the company will likely be looking for someone with a CPA or an investment background.
 
2013-06-21 06:24:42 PM  

FuzedBox: The only thing I ask is for people to stop lumping us Generation Y folks with the farking millennials.


You may not be as smart as you think you are.

Gen Y was a placeholder name, Millennials seems to be the consensus permanent one, and I generally think of 1980-1995 as the range for birth years. The name for the cohort younger than that us as yet undecided, but I've been trying to start a movement to stick them with Generation Bieber out of spite.
 
2013-06-21 06:25:56 PM  

redmid17: Eponymous: doubled99: No, every generation is not seen the same. As a Generation Xer, I can say we were not generally characterized as whiny and entitled, but instead  lazy and apathetic. Still bad, but slightly less annoying.

Agreed....these millennial hipster douchbags make the X'ers look like fine upstanding citizens.

/Judge Smails was wise beyond his years.

I'll put it this way, anyone I knew who was worth hiring out of college has had steady employment since they graduated, STEM, LA, or random degree. These were also the kids who got internships and had some modicum of motivation to achieve than a ged ed diploma*. Of the people I know who suffered through bouts of unemployment, most I would not recommend for an open position in my company if they exceed the requirements twofold (shiatty personality, lazy, mean, dumb, et al).

tldr version: Most of the people my age, whom I'm acquainted with, are unemployed are underemployed because they suck, not because companies are conspiring against them.

I have plenty of friends who have gotten the shaft from companies in the past 4 years (laid off or fired), but they picked up a new job before their severance or next paycheck. Then again, I'm sure some mileage may vary

* I'm talking a 3.0 GPA and some internships, more or less average grades and basic proof you won't poison the coffee on the first day


This is pretty accurate.  I generally take myself as an exception:

Bored, slept through HS.  Dropped out as a 5th year senior (after 1 week).  Dicked around working at a resort for about 2 years.  Decided to get my GED and got hired on for a major software company as a temp in a very very low rung customer service type job.  Decided to apply myself.  Since then, I have received several promotions and after 10 years  I am making about 50% more than the median house hold income for my state (And I am not even in the higher pay area for the state).  I even have ppl attempting to recruit me from time-to-time.
 
2013-06-21 06:27:42 PM  

cptjeff: FuzedBox: The only thing I ask is for people to stop lumping us Generation Y folks with the farking millennials.

You may not be as smart as you think you are.

Gen Y was a placeholder name, Millennials seems to be the consensus permanent one, and I generally think of 1980-1995 as the range for birth years. The name for the cohort younger than that us as yet undecided, but I've been trying to start a movement to stick them with Generation Bieber out of spite.


That's just mean.
 
2013-06-21 06:28:06 PM  

cptjeff: The name for the cohort younger than that us as yet undecided,


That should be: "The name for the cohort younger than us is as yet undecided..."

That's what I get for trying to make two different edits at once, I suppose.
 
2013-06-21 06:30:46 PM  

redmid17: cptjeff: FuzedBox: The only thing I ask is for people to stop lumping us Generation Y folks with the farking millennials.

You may not be as smart as you think you are.

Gen Y was a placeholder name, Millennials seems to be the consensus permanent one, and I generally think of 1980-1995 as the range for birth years. The name for the cohort younger than that us as yet undecided, but I've been trying to start a movement to stick them with Generation Bieber out of spite.

That's just mean.


Yes, but think of how funny it'll be when they're in their late 50's and all the media talking heads start talking about how Generation Bieber is approaching retirement age, is going to stress Social Security, ect. Or whatever the hot topic happens to be.
 
2013-06-21 06:35:40 PM  

Kali-Ma: For those of you who are saying "just move to where the jobs are..."

I've made about 6 interstate moves in the past decade both with family and without family (plus numerous in-state).  Moving is hell-on-earth when you have more than yourself to worry about.  Coordinating with a spouse is hard enough, nevermind a child who might be in school or have other ties.  (We're military, so it has even extra complications, but I'm factoring those out.)

And, for those who are not used to dealing with the South, the religious fundies and the ridiculously low pay scale don't really make it worthwhile.  Even if you rationally know it's not everybody, it's still really uncomfortable for people who aren't used to that kind of thing (and/or are Jewish).  The crap pay (comparative to the Northeast) and the fact that most of the public schools are awful don't help.


You sound like you might be our new neighbors across the street.  They are a black family that refuses to acknowledge our presence.   I have tried to just give a friendly wave in the morning or evening, but they most be uncomfortable because I must be a southern religious fundy bigot.
 
2013-06-21 06:38:06 PM  

BetterMetalSnake: Maul555: Maul555: I have been feeling this same crunch in the states...  I got layed off in late 07 when the economy took a dump, and then bounced around for a couple of years.  Now it is almost impossible to get back into my career field with all the new over educated kids up for grabs and the imported people from all over the country swamping the Texas job market that I cant hope to compete with.  Add to that the illegal aliens bringing down wages while congress is trying to make them permanent so I can get farked even harder...

I forgot to add that I am non-military living in a military town where everyone and their uncle is screaming "HIRE VETERANS".... and I am not a minority so that hurts me in an affirmative action world...   Basically, everyone else is put at the front of the line before me no matter how early I get there.

/I guess I need to find a 2nd industry to try and get into

You are either in an industry so specialized that only a federal contractor can do it, or you have no farking clue what Affirmative Action is. Guess which is more likely?


Neither?
 
2013-06-21 07:45:30 PM  
Ah, another ageist article bashing young people, projecting your flaws on to us and justifying the massive screw-job you're shoving down our throats.

/Yeah, I know.  Welcome to fark
 
2013-06-21 08:33:34 PM  
Gobama.

Good thing all those dumbass college kids swoon for him, look at the awesome future they have!!!

Wait....
 
2013-06-21 09:12:27 PM  
I work in healthcare as clinical staff (medical imaging), and can hardly get my place of employment to stop trying to get me to work 50-60+ hours/week.  We actually have a couple of CT techs who regularly work 60-70 hours/week.  The money is good, the work is hard, and we have a constant problem that we cannot find enough staff (especially nurses).

I'm not sure if my experiences are just out of the ordinary, but from where I'm standing it looks like there are jobs out there if you have the right skills and are willing to work hard.
 
2013-06-21 09:36:33 PM  

Xetal: I work in healthcare as clinical staff (medical imaging), and can hardly get my place of employment to stop trying to get me to work 50-60+ hours/week.  We actually have a couple of CT techs who regularly work 60-70 hours/week.  The money is good, the work is hard, and we have a constant problem that we cannot find enough staff (especially nurses).

I'm not sure if my experiences are just out of the ordinary, but from where I'm standing it looks like there are jobs out there if you have the right skills and are willing to work hard.


This is the critical point.

I'm a software programmer.  It's one thing to say "We train", it's another thing to say "We train from scratch".  There's about 2-3 years worth of stuff you have to know before I'd even consider hiring you as a trainee.  Luckily, that's the first couple years of a good degree program or about 5 years of "home programming where I actually did stuff and made reasonably-sized projects".  I might need to teach you Python, I shouldn't have to teach you data structures and basic Linux commands.

And the problem a lot of people are seeing is that in a lot of industries, you can't acquire that experience in any other way than showing up.  And since no one wants entry-level, you can't show up.  With software programming, you can spend a few hundred extra bucks getting a good laptop, dual boot Ubuntu, install gcc and have at it totally free.  With welding or medical imaging, that's a bit harder and more expensive.
 
2013-06-21 10:37:20 PM  
Heh, I was watching this evolve 25 years ago:

"There's going to be a huge demand for computer programmers in the next five years...come to Getintodebt College and learn to be a programmer!" So everyone did, and five years later, there was such a glut of half-trained "programmers" in the entry-level market, you couldn't buy your way into the market; and anyway, the next big thing was "There's going to be a huge demand in the Nursing/Medical Office Administration field!" and off they went for their "nursing" degrees....or was it Criminal Justice? About the time I was leaving law school--yep, everyone wants to become a lawyer now, or a teacher.

You can't go into school based on what seems to be the "next in-demand field," kiddies. By the time you get done with  your degree, whether it's from an accredited top-tier university or ITT Tech, that "in-demand field" is going to be chock-full of useless grads, and you'll be just another inexperienced 20-something looking for work. Or, you'll get halfway through and discover you absolutely hate that in-demand job, and wind up not only with a useless degree, but crippling debt AND no other training or experience in anything you do like and wind up job-hopping or college hopping, looking for something you both can do and want to do.

The real trick is to realize early that what you think you want probably isn't really what you're going to school for. Like all those poor wannabe "CSIs" when I was getting my second bachelor's (B.S., Criminal Justice). I was using it as a springboard into law school; they had all these dreams of being "CSIs, like on TV". I killed a lot of dreams the day I said, "You know, you're going to have to go on from here and get your masters, probably in advanced biology or something. Those guys aren't just cops.".....REALLY?! One girl was just devastated. Here she thought all you needed to grow up to be Gil Grissom was two years at a for-profit college.
 
2013-06-21 10:45:59 PM  

meyerkev: Xetal: I work in healthcare as clinical staff (medical imaging), and can hardly get my place of employment to stop trying to get me to work 50-60+ hours/week.  We actually have a couple of CT techs who regularly work 60-70 hours/week.  The money is good, the work is hard, and we have a constant problem that we cannot find enough staff (especially nurses).

I'm not sure if my experiences are just out of the ordinary, but from where I'm standing it looks like there are jobs out there if you have the right skills and are willing to work hard.

This is the critical point.

I'm a software programmer.  It's one thing to say "We train", it's another thing to say "We train from scratch".  There's about 2-3 years worth of stuff you have to know before I'd even consider hiring you as a trainee.  Luckily, that's the first couple years of a good degree program or about 5 years of "home programming where I actually did stuff and made reasonably-sized projects".  I might need to teach you Python, I shouldn't have to teach you data structures and basic Linux commands.

And the problem a lot of people are seeing is that in a lot of industries, you can't acquire that experience in any other way than showing up.  And since no one wants entry-level, you can't show up.  With software programming, you can spend a few hundred extra bucks getting a good laptop, dual boot Ubuntu, install gcc and have at it totally free.  With welding or medical imaging, that's a bit harder and more expensive.


There is state and federal bodies that require you to already be registered in your area before you can work, so training typically involves a "this is the way we do things" and "get used to this brand/model of equipment" rather than training from scratch.

Right out of school a lot of the imaging people get the "crap jobs" that are 2nd/3rd shift, weekends, or variable.  A lot of the nurses right out of school get the same shifts and get the less desirable positions (like floor nursing).  Programming is a whole different beast, but if you go to school for something useful, it seems like there are jobs out there.

The psychology/english/underwater basket waving degree holders are probably in a different boat.
 
2013-06-21 11:10:50 PM  

Xetal: The psychology/english/underwater basket waving degree holders are probably in a different boat.


Poli-sci grad working in politics here. Took some doing (and parental support to make a key unpaid internship possible), but it can be done.

Make fun of us all you want, but we rule the world. Literally.
 
2013-06-22 12:12:55 AM  

cptjeff: Xetal: The psychology/english/underwater basket waving degree holders are probably in a different boat.

Poli-sci grad working in politics here. Took some doing (and parental support to make a key unpaid internship possible), but it can be done.

Make fun of us all you want, but we rule the world. Literally.


If I may pick your brain as proxy for my sister, who is a Poli-Sci major  (Sophomore, active in the college Democrats, got an internship in Ottawa as unpaid aide to some MP, so it sounds like she's doing everything right)

What would you have told your younger self?  What really stupid mistakes did you make that you'd want to learn from?
 
2013-06-22 12:59:48 AM  

meyerkev: cptjeff: Xetal: The psychology/english/underwater basket waving degree holders are probably in a different boat.

Poli-sci grad working in politics here. Took some doing (and parental support to make a key unpaid internship possible), but it can be done.

Make fun of us all you want, but we rule the world. Literally.

If I may pick your brain as proxy for my sister, who is a Poli-Sci major  (Sophomore, active in the college Democrats, got an internship in Ottawa as unpaid aide to some MP, so it sounds like she's doing everything right)

What would you have told your younger self?  What really stupid mistakes did you make that you'd want to learn from?


Do that big internship to give your resume instant credibility, but don't focus on trying to land a prestigious job right out of it. If you intern with an MP, the inclination is to try and get, in effect, a promotion. Yes, apply for and try for those jobs, they do exist and you may the person who gets it. But being a big fish in a small pond has a lot to offer. Go to a small nonprofit that does advocacy work (Washington has a zillion, so must Ottawa), and you get your hands in a hell of a lot, with a lot of responsibility, but in a fairly low pressure setting. There are advantages to being a junior staffer in Congress/Parliament/White House/PM's Office, but if you do an internship there you get most of those benefits in some measure.

Oh, network, network, network. Go to events. Find the right job lists- if she's using the monster.com type stuff, it's not going to work. Idealist for nonprofits, and I have no idea what the Canadian equivalents of the Tom Manatos/ Brad Traverse lists are, but there should be some private or less widely distributed lists around for serious candidates. Oh, and your resume matters. Everybody looks similar on paper, so make sure your paper is neatly arranged, attractive, and clear.

But I really should emphasize the small pond bit. Really feel out nonprofits, trade associations, that sort of thing. They're not large, but there are a lot of them, and a lot less people apply to the lobbying arm of the mattress industry than to a junior job at a big think tank, even though that mattress job might have them meeting with MPs in 2 months

None of it's terribly original, but there you go. Good luck to her.
 
2013-06-22 01:01:55 AM  

cptjeff: meeting with MPs in 2 months


Where the fark did my period go? I could swear I typed one. It's late, I suppose. Here are some extras to make up for it........
 
2013-06-22 01:13:16 AM  

cptjeff: Where the fark did my period go?


My wife said the same thing a few months back. The new baby will be here in November.
 
2013-06-22 01:13:43 AM  
It all comes down to:
1. Shovel other people's shiat. Lots of it.
2. Know when to stop. No, it's not when you're so sick of it you want to kill yourself. It's when you can afford to stop.

This is applying yourself.
 
2013-06-22 01:17:30 AM  

cptjeff: meyerkev: cptjeff: Xetal: The psychology/english/underwater basket waving degree holders are probably in a different boat.

Poli-sci grad working in politics here. Took some doing (and parental support to make a key unpaid internship possible), but it can be done.

Make fun of us all you want, but we rule the world. Literally.

If I may pick your brain as proxy for my sister, who is a Poli-Sci major  (Sophomore, active in the college Democrats, got an internship in Ottawa as unpaid aide to some MP, so it sounds like she's doing everything right)

What would you have told your younger self?  What really stupid mistakes did you make that you'd want to learn from?

Do that big internship to give your resume instant credibility, but don't focus on trying to land a prestigious job right out of it. If you intern with an MP, the inclination is to try and get, in effect, a promotion. Yes, apply for and try for those jobs, they do exist and you may the person who gets it. But being a big fish in a small pond has a lot to offer. Go to a small nonprofit that does advocacy work (Washington has a zillion, so must Ottawa), and you get your hands in a hell of a lot, with a lot of responsibility, but in a fairly low pressure setting. There are advantages to being a junior staffer in Congress/Parliament/White House/PM's Office, but if you do an internship there you get most of those benefits in some measure.

Oh, network, network, network. Go to events. Find the right job lists- if she's using the monster.com type stuff, it's not going to work. Idealist for nonprofits, and I have no idea what the Canadian equivalents of the Tom Manatos/ Brad Traverse lists are, but there should be some private or less widely distributed lists around for serious candidates. Oh, and your resume matters. Everybody looks similar on paper, so make sure your paper is neatly arranged, attractive, and clear.

But I really should emphasize the small pond bit. Really feel out nonprofits, trade associations, t ...


Thanks.  No matter what happens, I'm fairly secure (Computer Science, Silicon Valley.  If you do it right, you can make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year by continually failing at startups), and I'm more worried about her odds than mine.
 
2013-06-22 01:23:43 AM  

meyerkev: Thanks. No matter what happens, I'm fairly secure (Computer Science, Silicon Valley. If you do it right, you can make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year by continually failing at startups), and I'm more worried about her odds than mine.


Yeah, I just found it more easy to write as a piece directly addressing someone, my brain is pretty fried. I was up at 6 this morning and really should be in bed right now.

Yeah, in politics, you can make a pretty good living for yourself if you're willing to completely sell your soul, but I don't really suggest that. But if she wants to work for big tobacco, lobbying for an oil company, defense contractor, bank, or anyone else nasty that happens to be looking for a corporate giveaway pays pretty well.
 
2013-06-22 03:05:21 AM  

Thunderpipes: Gobama.

Good thing all those dumbass college kids swoon for him, look at the awesome future they have!!!

Wait....


Yes, Obama, the President of Canada. For chrissakes, you didn't even need to RTFA to know it was about Canadians, the god damned CBC logo was right next to the headline.

farking dolt.
 
2013-06-22 01:19:12 PM  

randomjsa: Nursing? That's horseshiat. There's a nursing shortage. If you can't find a job as a nurse, you're apparently unwilling to relocate.


Whenever I hear someone say (unqualified) there's a "shortage of workers" I want to punch them in the face. There is no shortage of workers.

There is a shortage of workers willing to work for $5.00/hr in a position that requires a college education.
There is a shortage of workers willing (or able) to move to Frog Jump, Alabama for work.
There is a shortage of workers with 10 years of experience on a system that's been around for 5 years.
There is a shortage of fresh college grads with 3 years of experience (duh).
 
2013-06-22 07:36:28 PM  
It's all over. Everything is ending.
 
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