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(io9)   Will Sally look for the marble in her own basket, or in Anne's box?   (io9.com) divider line 23
    More: Interesting, Sally, theory of mind, complex question, downs syndrome  
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2013-06-21 11:12:15 AM  
The box, of course. You see, Anne's a big fan of Google Glass and Sally works for the NSA, so naturally Sally knew what Anne had done.
 
2013-06-21 11:30:42 AM  
Look for the little man in the canoe.
 
2013-06-21 11:44:02 AM  
What's in the box?!
 
2013-06-21 11:51:47 AM  
I think I have a DVD that starts like this.
 
2013-06-21 11:59:30 AM  
If it's the Anne I'm thinking of, I definitely want to look in her box
 
2013-06-21 12:20:03 PM  
What's your pleasure Mr. Carter?
The box...
 
2013-06-21 12:47:53 PM  
I worked at a group home for developmentally disabled adults for a year.  Helped them manage the house, do chores, go to work, etc...

I am always amazed by running into fully 'normal' adults who have the same ability to understand different physical and logical points of view as someone who I worked with at the home.  Which is to say, not at all.
 
2013-06-21 12:59:35 PM  
While the false belief task described in TFA is interesting, there are several more components to theory of mind that are more informative about the nature of social cognition, including disorders characterized by poor social cognition such as autism. One of the most well-known researchers in this field is Simon Baron-Cohen (fun fact: related to Sacha Baron-Cohen) and he has helped create many widely-used tests to examine theory of mind ability, with a particular focus on finding out what information humans use to accurately determine the mental state of another person. It's an incredibly fascinating line of research, especially when you then consider that we humans also make mental state attributions to things that do not - sometimes even can not - have those mental states, a term called anthropomorphism.
 
2013-06-21 01:03:12 PM  
What Sally and Anne may look like:

www.austinchronicle.com
 
2013-06-21 01:16:31 PM  
Having a son who's borderline autistic, I am familiar to the point of nausea with every possible permutation of this test. Sally and Anne can both FOAD.
 
2013-06-21 01:22:32 PM  

BafflerMeal: I worked at a group home for developmentally disabled adults for a year.  Helped them manage the house, do chores, go to work, etc...

I am always amazed by running into fully 'normal' adults who have the same ability to understand different physical and logical points of view as someone who I worked with at the home.  Which is to say, not at all.


Yeah, we've all been on the Politics tab at one time or another.
 
2013-06-21 01:37:19 PM  
Oh oh I seen this one. It start with just Anne and Sally but then the order a pizza and the cable goes out.....
 
2013-06-21 03:11:23 PM  
Doesn't matter where they look.
Puppet Angel is just gonna kill 'em both.
 
2013-06-21 03:24:45 PM  
I have the exact opposite problem posed by the people who failed the experiment.

They have misperceptions that others have access to the same knowledge they do, while I have misperceptions that others have access to far, far less knowledge than I do about practically everything, and I'm usually right.
 
2013-06-21 04:13:03 PM  

Victoly: BafflerMeal: I worked at a group home for developmentally disabled adults for a year.  Helped them manage the house, do chores, go to work, etc...

I am always amazed by running into fully 'normal' adults who have the same ability to understand different physical and logical points of view as someone who I worked with at the home.  Which is to say, not at all.

Yeah, we've all been on the Politics tab at one time or another.


BA-ZING
 
2013-06-21 04:16:02 PM  
First, all the autstic and Downs kids resent sighting implications about 'lost marbles', 'basket-case', and 'Skinner Box' implicit in the selection of props.

The Downs know that Sally is a greedy biatch, grabbing the only marble and hiding it.  In addition, they believe she is a narc, setting up a entrapment scenario by stashing the marble and then 'taking a walk'.  Likewise, the auties hate Anne as a thieving little slut that wants to shove things that don't belong to her into her box,  Her penchant for putting things in dark, barren places reminds them of the blacked-out 'Quiet Time' closet, of which, they have seen all too much.

Meanwhile, the neuro-typicals are oblivious to any nuance or subtext and blandly believe their parents love them.
 
2013-06-21 09:14:16 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: First, all the autstic and Downs kids resent sighting implications about 'lost marbles', 'basket-case', and 'Skinner Box' implicit in the selection of props.

The Downs know that Sally is a greedy biatch, grabbing the only marble and hiding it.  In addition, they believe she is a narc, setting up a entrapment scenario by stashing the marble and then 'taking a walk'.  Likewise, the auties hate Anne as a thieving little slut that wants to shove things that don't belong to her into her box,  Her penchant for putting things in dark, barren places reminds them of the blacked-out 'Quiet Time' closet, of which, they have seen all too much.

Meanwhile, the neuro-typicals are oblivious to any nuance or subtext and blandly believe their parents love them.


*applause*
 
2013-06-21 09:20:50 PM  

Ishkur: I have the exact opposite problem posed by the people who failed the experiment.

They have misperceptions that others have access to the same knowledge they do, while I have misperceptions that others have access to far, far less knowledge than I do about practically everything, and I'm usually right.


I don't suppose you've ever worked for an IT Help Desk?
 
2013-06-21 10:09:56 PM  

Ishkur: I have the exact opposite problem posed by the people who failed the experiment.

They have misperceptions that others have access to the same knowledge they do, while I have misperceptions that others have access to far, far less knowledge than I do about practically everything, and I'm usually right.


What the hell are you, a computer?
Actually, I think I'm in the same boat as you. I'm regularly proven right after someone ignores me then whatever they ignored me about blows up in their face. No, that's not a double entendre.
 
2013-06-21 10:54:14 PM  

give me doughnuts: Doesn't matter where they look.
Puppet Angel is just gonna kill 'em both.


Yup,

One look at that picture, and I really kind of forgot what TFA was about.

/Great episode
//Or greatest episode?
 
2013-06-22 08:30:22 AM  

ajgeek: Ishkur: I have the exact opposite problem posed by the people who failed the experiment.

They have misperceptions that others have access to the same knowledge they do, while I have misperceptions that others have access to far, far less knowledge than I do about practically everything, and I'm usually right.

What the hell are you, a computer?
Actually, I think I'm in the same boat as you. I'm regularly proven right after someone ignores me then whatever they ignored me about blows up in their face. No, that's not a double entendre.


Is your name Cassandra?
 
2013-06-22 02:36:46 PM  
Is Annie's Box anything like Annie's Boobs?

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-22 06:47:10 PM  
Trick question, and she can stop looking anyway, someone already found it.

img.fark.net
 
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