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2013-06-21 08:00:46 AM
No, it's made with real froot
 
2013-06-21 09:07:48 AM
I thought Froot Loops were made from sugar and red dye #2.
 
2013-06-21 09:27:24 AM
At least sawdust is technically a vegetable

/so they have that going for them
 
2013-06-21 09:32:58 AM
Ever since I started reading labels and taking high fructose corn syrup out of my diet I've been appalled at some of what I see going into our food. And I'm not even a hippie either. I just wanna be less fat.
 
2013-06-21 09:34:04 AM
There are no grapes in Grape Nuts.
 
2013-06-21 09:54:13 AM
Too many chemicals!  Some of them have as many as forty chemicals.  That's as many as four tens.  And that's terrible.

But I think the problem is the wrong chemicals, not too many chemicals.
 
2013-06-21 10:07:25 AM
On another message board this was posted via BuzzFeed yesterday:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ashleyperez/8-foods-we-eat-in-the-us-that-ar e- banned-in-other-countries

And, because I actually spent ten minutes on it, here is my response:

1) Food dye may be made from a petroleum product. So? This is part of a larger trend: "(X) chemical is used in SCARY THING so it MUST BE EVIL!" Well, did you know that DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE is used in the PRODUCTION OF TIRES and it's still in our WATER SUPPLY? Plus, without sources, this fails: Food dye, for instance, is not actually banned in Norway (or the other countries listed). Certain dyes have been banned in various countries, including the United States, but to say that an entire category has been unilaterally blacklisted is ridiculous. Really? The author thinks that this photo (taken in Norway) of a candy shelf is maybe black market or something?

static.flickr.com

2) OLESTRA CAUSES ANAL LEAKAGE! Scare-mongering. "Anal leakage" is such a big, scary term, isn't it? Never mind that in the late 90s we witnessed essentially the modern commercial death of Olean because of this hype. It's still used in a few products in a few countries and has been refined, but it's not exactly a universal thing. And you know what? It's a fat substitute. Here's a revelation: Neither potato chips nor "light" potato chips are health foods! Plus, to see any real side effects, you'd have to consume a ton of the stuff in a short time. Regarding a study of 3,000 consumers, "The FDA concluded that "subjects eating olestra-containing chips were no more likely to report having had loose stools, abdominal cramps, or any other GI symptom compared to subjects eating an equivalent amount of [potato] chips.""

3) "Bromine is a chemical used to stop CARPETS FROM CATCHING ON FIRE." More hyperbole. Bromine has all sorts of uses. In the '70s its use in foods was heavily restricted, but that shouldn't stop the hype! I mean, seriously. MAGNESIUM CARBONATE is used in FIREPROOFING materials, and THEY put it in your TOOTHPASTE! It's like if a product has one industrial application it must be pure evil to use it in other ways. Again, though, if you think that any soft drink is a healthy choice, well, maybe this article is right up your alley anyway.

I'm writing this in reaction to each point as I read them. God help me if they get to aspartame and that bullsh*t.

4) Their source doesn't even corroborate the story they're pushing about potassium bromate. When you have to extrapolate a falsehood based on a cautionary article, you're doing a disservice. The source says that only negligible amounts of potassium promate (<20ppb) may remain, and that's an amount that the FDA has determined to be insignificant. That didn't let the author of this dreck from concluding that its presence at all would kill you. You know what else can kill you? CARBON. You know how you can ingest carbon? By making harmless BREAD into EVIL TOAST. The Maillard effect, which is responsible for the change in organic composition of food exposed to a heat source, does more than change the flavor and texture of a food product: It can create harmful carbon deposits that can cause cancer! (This is true.) Solution? Don't, y'know, eat a truckload of horribly burnt toast?

5) Azodicarbonamide: It has a chemical name, and is therefore scary! However, the World Health Organization reaches this conclusion: "Toxicological studies of the reactions of azodicarbonamide show that it is rapidly converted in dough to biurea, which is a stable compound not decomposed upon cooking." Yes, the reactant can lead to asthma problems -- if it's consumed in its non-decomposed form. So don't eat your yoga mat, folks.

6) "Used to keep food from becoming rancid, butylated hydroxyanisole (BHA) and butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT) are known to cause cancer in rats. And we're next!" Apparently these folks missed the memo that human physiology != rat physiology.
Furthemore, from Wiki: "In mice, there is no carcinogenic effect, and even evidence of a protective effect against the carcinogenicity of other chemicals. When examining human population statistics, the usual low intake levels of BHA shows no significant association with an increased risk of cancer."

7) Their source contradicts their fear-mongering about RGBh, too. I'm going to go ahead and quote.
From their junk science:
"Why it's dangerous: Growth hormones are bad for cows and people, causing infertility, weakened muscle growth, and a whole array of cancers. "
From their own freaking source:
"Neither natural nor synthetic BGH has been found to affect human growth hormone receptors. "
"Before approving the use of rBGH in 1993, the FDA calculated a worst case scenario based on an infant drinking 1.5 liters (1.6 quarts) of milk daily, with complete absorption of intact IGF-1 protein and the maximum increase in IGF-1. Under these conditions, milk from rBGH-treated cows would contribute far less than 1% of the infant's normal daily production of IGF-1."
"Department of Agriculture survey conducted in 2007 found that less than 1 in 5 cows (17%) were being injected with rBGH."
" It is not clear that drinking milk produced using rBGH significantly increases IGF-1 levels in humans or adds to the risk of developing cancer. "
"The American Cancer Society (ACS) has no formal position regarding rBGH. Together with its advocacy affiliate, the ACS Cancer Action Network (ACS CAN), the Society supports open, fair and transparent regulatory oversight of products containing rBGH. "

Basically, there have been no repeatable links found between RGBh use in cows and a rise in hormones or cancers in people. However, this hasn't stopped dairy farmers from greatly reducing RGBh usage anyway -- so even if it were a problem, it's unlikely that it still is anyway.

Furthermore, IGF-1 is not necessarily a bad thing anyway. Outside of testosterone, IGF-1 (insulin-like growth-factor 1) is the most anabolic hormone produced by the human body. As an athlete, I'd love to naturally increase my IGF levels!

I'm surprised that this article didn't try to link milk consumption to precocious puberty, another common scary myth that has been debunked; RGBh is occasionally said to inspire early-onset puberty in humans, but this has been proven false.

8) Yes, arsenic is a poison. Holy Jesus tits, though, this listicle is bad. It cites an NPR article as its source; here are some key points from that cited article:
-The chemical causing trace amounts of arsenic in chicken was voluntarily pulled from the market 2 years ago.
-The trace amounts of arsenic found were roughly 2 ppb (versus .8 ppb in non-treated poultry); the FDA's tolerance level is 500 ppb. So the amount increased from .16% to .4% of the (already conservative) acceptable limit. Wow.

So, again, what's the problem?

Seriously, for f*ck's sake.

//
For the record, completely organic foods are problematic, too. You know what else is scary? Even the ORGANIC-est APPLE in the world contains the EVIL TOXIN CYANIDE! And tapioca has even way more cyanide than apples!
http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/apples.asp

Point being, this article has extremely low scientific rigor. I am NOT suggesting that processed foods are great -- in fact, all of my produce comes from my own massive organic farmlet in the back yard -- but I am suggesting that hyperbole and fear-mongering should be avoided. Rational principles and research need to be applied, and huge exaggeration of source material is entirely tantamount to fabrication and prevarication.
 
2013-06-21 10:43:36 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: At least sawdust is technically a vegetable

/so they have that going for them


And technically speaking the rat feces is still organic
 
2013-06-21 10:46:24 AM
So eating bread will kill me?  Worth it...
 
2013-06-21 10:46:36 AM
Oh FFS...
 
WGJ
2013-06-21 10:47:02 AM
It's a good thing I was sitting down before I read that.
 
2013-06-21 10:47:53 AM

TwistedIvory: On another message board this was posted via BuzzFeed yesterday:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ashleyperez/8-foods-we-eat-in-the-us-that-ar e- banned-in-other-countries

And, because I actually spent ten minutes on it, here is my response:

1) Food dye may be made from a petroleum product. So? This is part of a larger trend: "(X) chemical is used in SCARY THING so it MUST BE EVIL!" Well, did you know that DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE is used in the PRODUCTION OF TIRES and it's still in our WATER SUPPLY? Plus, without sources, this fails: Food dye, for instance, is not actually banned in Norway (or the other countries listed). Certain dyes have been banned in various countries, including the United States, but to say that an entire category has been unilaterally blacklisted is ridiculous. Really? The author thinks that this photo (taken in Norway) of a candy shelf is maybe black market or something?

[static.flickr.com image 500x333]

2) OLESTRA CAUSES ANAL LEAKAGE! Scare-mongering. "Anal leakage" is such a big, scary term, isn't it? Never mind that in the late 90s we witnessed essentially the modern commercial death of Olean because of this hype. It's still used in a few products in a few countries and has been refined, but it's not exactly a universal thing. And you know what? It's a fat substitute. Here's a revelation: Neither potato chips nor "light" potato chips are health foods! Plus, to see any real side effects, you'd have to consume a ton of the stuff in a short time. Regarding a study of 3,000 consumers, "The FDA concluded that "subjects eating olestra-containing chips were no more likely to report having had loose stools, abdominal cramps, or any other GI symptom compared to subjects eating an equivalent amount of [potato] chips.""

3) "Bromine is a chemical used to stop CARPETS FROM CATCHING ON FIRE." More hyperbole. Bromine has all sorts of uses. In the '70s its use in foods was heavily restricted, but that shouldn't stop the hype! I mean, seriously. MAGNESIUM CARBONA ...



This post covers my opinion as well.  They used "chemical" as if it were an inherently evil concept.  I don't eat a anything on their list because every single one is over-processed, salt-and-calorie laden garbage, but not one of their points is really fundamentally valid.

"I don't understand science, so this ingredient is scary!"
 
2013-06-21 10:50:06 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: No, it's made with real froot


Heh.
 
2013-06-21 10:50:26 AM
it's actually made with foot not fruit

static.comicvine.com
 
2013-06-21 10:51:45 AM
ah hahha "lots of chemicals"

jesus christ
 
2013-06-21 10:52:30 AM
At least crunchberries are real berries.
 
2013-06-21 10:55:29 AM
well, obviously these countries fail where america excels.  our lobbies would never allow this great nation to outlaw our freedom to eat poison.
 
2013-06-21 10:55:42 AM

Snarfangel: At least crunchberries are real berries.


THE DINGLEBERRIES TASTE LIKE REAL DINGLEBERRIES

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Ant
2013-06-21 11:06:25 AM
Mt. Dew is made with a chemical that also is used to prevent carpets from catching on fire

Water?
 
2013-06-21 11:08:58 AM
Sue THOSE CORPORATIONS!

CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT like the tobacco companies had against them.

They know they are KILLING US.  Other countries know they are KILLING US.  Until they BLEED MONEY, they will NOT STOP.
 
2013-06-21 11:09:37 AM
So the technology used to find a man responsible for attacking us because our culture as a whole embraces excess is going to be use to create excess of things that make us fatter.

There's a joke in there somewhere
 
2013-06-21 11:10:07 AM
I throw the food out and eat the packaging.
 
2013-06-21 11:10:12 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: So the technology used to find a man responsible for attacking us because our culture as a whole embraces excess is going to be use to create excess of things that make us fatter.

There's a joke in there somewhere


Got damnit..wrong thread

Time to actually work I guess
 
2013-06-21 11:10:17 AM
You can not get me to stop drinking mountain dew
 
2013-06-21 11:10:37 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: So the technology used to find a man responsible for attacking us because our culture as a whole embraces excess is going to be use to create excess of things that make us fatter.

There's a joke in there somewhere


That which does not kill us makes us fatter.
 
2013-06-21 11:17:29 AM
In Asia they ban a lot of US products for a very good reason.  The have bans on BHA and BHT which is okay by me.  And in the USA we ban products from other countries that don't have preservatives.  It's a tit for tat response from governments.
 
2013-06-21 11:18:44 AM

Jackson Herring: ah hahha "lots of chemicals"


Yup.  As somebody else noted, even cyanide is all natural.

I look at the "related products" aspect of the article to be simple scaremongering and weak journalism.  If a chemical has a proven detriment to human health, like cancer, at fairly moderate concentrations, then report on that.

And I say moderate concentrations because I question studies where they feed a mouse half its body weight in some substance for a year and then the lab results point to cancer.  Sorry, give me a report that dictates that consuming X grams a year will increase my cancer risk by Y%.  Then I might take your results more seriously and into consideration.


/remembers the big Saccharin scare as a kid
 
2013-06-21 11:19:04 AM
Thanks for the logical explanation TwistedIvory. I was skeptical when reading TFA. I really doubt the FDA is part of some big conspiracy getting paid by Big Food to allow dangerous products into our food -- the same FDA that people are mad at for being overly cautious about approving new drugs.

I have friends who are against food X because it's "full of chemicals" but isn't everything chemicals?

Anyway, question for farkers smarter than me: Is there anything bad about those microwave meals like Health Choice and Lean Cuisine (other than flavor)? I know they're high in sodium but my doctor says that's not a big risk for me. The ingredient list on the products looks fairly normal, though "natural flavors" is always open to interpretation.
 
2013-06-21 11:21:56 AM

Ant: Mt. Dew is made with a chemical that also is used to prevent carpets from catching on fire

Water?


yoga mats?  that's what the McRib has
 
2013-06-21 11:24:08 AM

TwistedIvory: Point being, this article has extremely low scientific rigor. I am NOT suggesting that processed foods are great -- in fact, all of my produce comes from my own massive organic farmlet in the back yard -- but I am suggesting that hyperbole and fear-mongering should be avoided. Rational principles and research need to be applied, and huge exaggeration of source material is entirely tantamount to fabrication and prevarication.


You'll love this:
Link

Plutonium 210 - Atomic bomb initiator
 
2013-06-21 11:26:28 AM

Ant: Mt. Dew is made with a chemical that also is used to prevent carpets from catching on fire

Water?


LOL! And that's why I get for reading Fark while eating scrambled eggs... egg on my keyboard. Gross!
 
2013-06-21 11:32:06 AM
Purple really is the best tasting fruit.
 
2013-06-21 11:35:48 AM
Eat anything artificially colored red or pink? It's made from bug juice. Oh, and ladies you are rubbing it on your lips because it's in lipstick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochineal
 
2013-06-21 11:37:11 AM
If you're relying on Buzzfeed for anything other than Lolcats and celebrity tweets, you are seriously in for a hard life.
 
2013-06-21 11:40:49 AM

Ant: Mt. Dew is made with a chemical that also is used to prevent carpets from catching on fire

Water?


I lol'd and you owe me a coffee
 
2013-06-21 11:41:03 AM
Nothing about the lead filled food China ships out?
 
2013-06-21 11:41:53 AM

pkellmey: Purple really is the best tasting fruit.


grape is the best kind of (r)ape
 
2013-06-21 11:44:51 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: No, it's made with "real froot

TM"

Fixed that for you...
 
2013-06-21 11:46:12 AM
If Michael Pollan had been around in 1980, billions of people in Africa and Asia who were saved by the agricultural innovations of Dr. Norman Borlag would be dead today.
 
2013-06-21 12:06:25 PM
Froot loops are to die for
 
2013-06-21 12:07:26 PM

Weaver95: Ever since I started reading labels and taking high fructose corn syrup out of my diet I've been appalled at some of what I see going into our food. And I'm not even a hippie either. I just wanna be less fat.


I feel your pain. That's what happens when the farming lobbyists have the politicians in their pockets. Trying to find a find a prepackaged product that uses sugar as a sweetener is needle in a haystack time.
 
2013-06-21 12:08:00 PM
Don't forget steroid- and pesticide- loaded US beef, which isn't allowed anywhere with a functioning public health system.
 
2013-06-21 12:09:19 PM
"X is a compound used to make Y" is a blaze-orange flag with hands that have fluorescent green flags for fingers, and in those hands are bright red flags that are waved to warn people of specious arguments.
 
2013-06-21 12:10:53 PM

ReapTheChaos: Trying to find a find a prepackaged product that uses sugar as a sweetener is needle in a haystack time.


FYI, HFCS is sugar.

If you mean sucrose, replacing HFCS with sucrose gains you very little.

What you want to look for are products that don't ADD sweetener.
 
2013-06-21 12:11:16 PM
2) OLESTRA CAUSES ANAL LEAKAGE! Scare-mongering. "Anal leakage" is such a big, scary term, isn't it? Never mind that in the late 90s we witnessed essentially the modern commercial death of Olean because of this hype. It's still used in a few products in a few countries and has been refined, but it's not exactly a universal thing. And you know what? It's a fat substitute. Here's a revelation: Neither potato chips nor "light" potato chips are health foods! Plus, to see any real side effects, you'd have to consume a ton of the stuff in a short time. Regarding a study of 3,000 consumers, "The FDA concluded that "subjects eating olestra-containing chips were no more likely to report having had loose stools, abdominal cramps, or any other GI symptom compared to subjects eating an equivalent amount of [potato] chips.""

My band, Anal Leakage and the Manpons, is available for weddings, school dances and Bar Mitzvahs.
 
2013-06-21 12:23:40 PM
Obligatory repost: http://dhmo.org/
 
2013-06-21 12:26:47 PM
themavesite.com
 
2013-06-21 12:52:29 PM
Extreme! Mt. Dew is made with a chemical that also is used to prevent carpets from catching on fire

Water?
 
2013-06-21 01:02:32 PM
Who cares? Fruit Loops are delicious.

/I blame Obama
 
2013-06-21 01:03:27 PM

ameeriklane: Thanks for the logical explanation TwistedIvory. I was skeptical when reading TFA. I really doubt the FDA is part of some big conspiracy getting paid by Big Food to allow dangerous products into our food -- the same FDA that people are mad at for being overly cautious about approving new drugs.

I have friends who are against food X because it's "full of chemicals" but isn't everything chemicals?

Anyway, question for farkers smarter than me: Is there anything bad about those microwave meals like Health Choice and Lean Cuisine (other than flavor)? I know they're high in sodium but my doctor says that's not a big risk for me. The ingredient list on the products looks fairly normal, though "natural flavors" is always open to interpretation.


Other than the fact that they are on plastic trays?  Plastic should not be heated as it will leach pthalates and possibly probably BPAs into your food, causing hormone disruption and/or toxicity.

Natural flavors are also problematic, hormone-wise.
 
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