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(Talking Points Memo)   Republicans blame the Democrats for the House failure to pass a farm bill. Yes, Republicans, who control the House. The House, where a simple majority has complete control   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 82
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2013-06-21 10:14:51 AM
To be fair, Republicans aren't so good with math.
 
2013-06-21 10:20:43 AM
How dare Democrats be in the minority and tempt Republicans to vote against a bill that attached an amendment to hurt folks in their states who are in trouble, and had little to do with the bill in question...
 
2013-06-21 10:27:07 AM
And all their derptastic worshipers  will hear is "Democrats bad!".

/Mission accomplished
 
2013-06-21 10:34:08 AM
to be fair, the GOP effectively controls the senate, too.
 
2013-06-21 10:48:48 AM
"I'm very disappointed that people who said they wouldn't vote for this legislation, and who are not in my party, did not vote for this legislation."

Yeah, that makes sense.
 
2013-06-21 11:11:24 AM

nmrsnr: "I'm very disappointed that people who said they wouldn't vote for this legislation, and who are not in my party, did not vote for this legislation."

Yeah, that makes sense.


It's easier than turning on folks within your own party, and alienating them, and eroding your power within the coalition to the point of being entirely ineffectual. Of course, considering how much the House has actually passed, pretty much Cantor has got to be feeling some heat at this point. Mind you, at this point, part of his job for the folks that he is really representing--as opposed to his constituents--really don't want a lot passed at this point, so he's doing his job--just not the one he was sent to do by the folks who voted for him.
 
2013-06-21 11:13:41 AM
...and the stupid Foxtards will lap it up.

in before "0bongo had a complete majority for two years and didn't fix every single problem!!1!  Thus, BSABSVR"
 
2013-06-21 11:18:51 AM
Let's see.
The House has 242 Republicans and 193 Democrats.
The bill failed with 234 votes against it.

Assuming every Democrat voted against it, that still means that 41 Republicans voted against it too.
If nearly 20% of your own party did not support the bill then it had bigger issues than your dislike of Democrats Mr Cantor.

And I use the term 'mister' loosely.
 
2013-06-21 11:19:08 AM

hubiestubert: and eroding your power within the coalition to the point of being entirely ineffectual.


I think worrying about becoming ineffectual is like closing the barn doors after the cows have left at this point.

hubiestubert: so he's doing his job--just not the one he was sent to do by the folks who voted for him.


He's actually not doing the job he was appointed to by the House, either. He's the House Majority Whip, it's his job to negotiate, convince, scare, cajole, whatever he has to do to get the vote count. He just sucks at his job. If he did his job right, and Boehner did his job in any way competently, they'd never lose a floor vote.
 
2013-06-21 11:27:05 AM
Republicans:  Ha!  We put a poison pill in this legislation that will prevent the Democrats from voting for it!
Democrats:  Fine, we won't vote for it.
Republicans:  What- but- I- you- SCREW YOU!
 
2013-06-21 11:35:35 AM
What about the individuals who will suffer from the failure to pass the bill.Who will care for them?
1. Former President Jimmy Carter - His family collected $272,288 in subsidy payments from 1995 to 2012.
2. U.S. Department of Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack - He received $82,874 in USDA benefits for his family farm from 1995 to 2012.
3. USDA Under Secretary Michael T. Scuse - He "owns 20.8 percent of a farm upon which taxpayers have lavished $1,051,107 from 1995 to 2012."
4. TheRockefellerFamily -Two members of the family have received $356,018 and $591,057 respectively.
5. Beverly Hills comedian Jack Benny -He raked in $18,120 for his farm in CA.
6. Former Miss America of 1959, Mary Ann Mobley -$142,933 were given to her for a farm in Mississippi.
7. Riceland Foods, Inc.- This farm - self-described as "the world's largest miller and marketer of rice" - raked in $554,343,039 between 1995 and 2012.
8. Members of Congress and their families -House Agriculture Committee chairman Frank Lucas (R-OK) must be pretty pleased with the pretty penny taxpayers paid to his wife, Lynda L. Lucas, who collected $40,613.
 
2013-06-21 11:37:19 AM

simplicimus: What about the individuals who will suffer from the failure to pass the bill.Who will care for them?
1. Former President Jimmy Carter - His family collected $272,288 in subsidy payments from 1995 to 2012.
2. U.S. Department of Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack - He received $82,874 in USDA benefits for his family farm from 1995 to 2012.
3. USDA Under Secretary Michael T. Scuse - He "owns 20.8 percent of a farm upon which taxpayers have lavished $1,051,107 from 1995 to 2012."
4. TheRockefellerFamily -Two members of the family have received $356,018 and $591,057 respectively.
5. Beverly Hills comedian Jack Benny -He raked in $18,120 for his farm in CA.
6. Former Miss America of 1959, Mary Ann Mobley -$142,933 were given to her for a farm in Mississippi.
7. Riceland Foods, Inc.- This farm - self-described as "the world's largest miller and marketer of rice" - raked in $554,343,039 between 1995 and 2012.
8. Members of Congress and their families -House Agriculture Committee chairman Frank Lucas (R-OK) must be pretty pleased with the pretty penny taxpayers paid to his wife, Lynda L. Lucas, who collected $40,613.


What about Michelle Bachman.  Is she still getting that sweet, sweet tax money?
 
2013-06-21 11:55:25 AM

simplicimus: What about the individuals who will suffer from the failure to pass the bill.Who will care for them?
1. Former President Jimmy Carter - His family collected $272,288 in subsidy payments from 1995 to 2012.
2. U.S. Department of Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack - He received $82,874 in USDA benefits for his family farm from 1995 to 2012.
3. USDA Under Secretary Michael T. Scuse - He "owns 20.8 percent of a farm upon which taxpayers have lavished $1,051,107 from 1995 to 2012."
4. TheRockefellerFamily -Two members of the family have received $356,018 and $591,057 respectively.
5. Beverly Hills comedian Jack Benny -He raked in $18,120 for his farm in CA.
6. Former Miss America of 1959, Mary Ann Mobley -$142,933 were given to her for a farm in Mississippi.
7. Riceland Foods, Inc.- This farm - self-described as "the world's largest miller and marketer of rice" - raked in $554,343,039 between 1995 and 2012.
8. Members of Congress and their families -House Agriculture Committee chairman Frank Lucas (R-OK) must be pretty pleased with the pretty penny taxpayers paid to his wife, Lynda L. Lucas, who collected $40,613.


Don't forget Representative Stephen Fischer, who quotes the Bible to justify cutting food stamps, but has received $3.5 million in farm subsidies.

Because, if Jesus can be summed up in one principle, it's "take from the poor and give to the rich"
 
2013-06-21 11:56:09 AM
You would think that, what ever else they may think of Pelosi, Boehner and Cantor would take a page out of her book and COUNT THE F*CKING VOTES BEFORE BRINGING A BILL TO THE FLOOR

Voting FOR the bill:
     24 Democrats
     171 Republicans

Voting AGAINST the bill
     172 Democrats
     62 Republicans
 
2013-06-21 12:01:40 PM

gimmegimme: simplicimus: What about the individuals who will suffer from the failure to pass the bill.Who will care for them?
1. Former President Jimmy Carter - His family collected $272,288 in subsidy payments from 1995 to 2012.
2. U.S. Department of Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack - He received $82,874 in USDA benefits for his family farm from 1995 to 2012.
3. USDA Under Secretary Michael T. Scuse - He "owns 20.8 percent of a farm upon which taxpayers have lavished $1,051,107 from 1995 to 2012."
4. TheRockefellerFamily -Two members of the family have received $356,018 and $591,057 respectively.
5. Beverly Hills comedian Jack Benny -He raked in $18,120 for his farm in CA.
6. Former Miss America of 1959, Mary Ann Mobley -$142,933 were given to her for a farm in Mississippi.
7. Riceland Foods, Inc.- This farm - self-described as "the world's largest miller and marketer of rice" - raked in $554,343,039 between 1995 and 2012.
8. Members of Congress and their families -House Agriculture Committee chairman Frank Lucas (R-OK) must be pretty pleased with the pretty penny taxpayers paid to his wife, Lynda L. Lucas, who collected $40,613.

What about Michelle Bachman.  Is she still getting that sweet, sweet tax money?


I hope so. I hear she's very upset about not being mentioned in the DSM.5.
 
2013-06-21 12:11:21 PM
The right-wing trash are consistent, at least; this is the same logic they use to blame Dems for things like the Iraq War resolution that they like but aren't popular.
 
2013-06-21 12:12:37 PM

simplicimus: What about the individuals who will suffer from the failure to pass the bill.Who will care for them?
1. Former President Jimmy Carter - His family collected $272,288 in subsidy payments from 1995 to 2012.
2. U.S. Department of Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack - He received $82,874 in USDA benefits for his family farm from 1995 to 2012.
3. USDA Under Secretary Michael T. Scuse - He "owns 20.8 percent of a farm upon which taxpayers have lavished $1,051,107 from 1995 to 2012."
4. TheRockefellerFamily -Two members of the family have received $356,018 and $591,057 respectively.
5. Beverly Hills comedian Jack Benny -He raked in $18,120 for his farm in CA.
6. Former Miss America of 1959, Mary Ann Mobley -$142,933 were given to her for a farm in Mississippi.
7. Riceland Foods, Inc.- This farm - self-described as "the world's largest miller and marketer of rice" - raked in $554,343,039 between 1995 and 2012.
8. Members of Congress and their families -House Agriculture Committee chairman Frank Lucas (R-OK) must be pretty pleased with the pretty penny taxpayers paid to his wife, Lynda L. Lucas, who collected $40,613.


Jack Benny? did he take it with him? because that would be awesome
 
2013-06-21 12:14:43 PM
Ha. That's like Harry Reid blaming Republicans if he can't get something through the Senate.
 
2013-06-21 12:15:31 PM
Republicans lie.
 
2013-06-21 12:16:10 PM
These are actual Facebook page names:

"Americans who would like to punch Eric Cantor in the face"

"I Want to Punch Eric Cantor in his Smug B*tch Face"
 
2013-06-21 12:16:34 PM
It's all their fault for doing what we expected them to.
 
2013-06-21 12:16:35 PM

Cletus C.: Ha. That's like Harry Reid blaming Republicans if he can't get something through the Senate.


According to the rules, how many votes are required for a bill to pass the Senate.  What is the current number needed?
 
2013-06-21 12:17:39 PM

Mentat: Republicans:  Ha!  We put a poison pill in this legislation that will prevent the Democrats from voting for it!
Democrats:  Fine, we won't vote for it.
Republicans:  What- but- I- you- SCREW YOU!


The sad thing is that 58 of the Republican nays came from people who voted aye on the poison pill. If I were more cynical, I'd say they intentionally tanked the bill.
 
2013-06-21 12:17:51 PM

Slives: Let's see.
The House has 242 Republicans and 193 Democrats.
The bill failed with 234 votes against it.

Assuming every Democrat voted against it, that still means that 41 Republicans voted against it too.
If nearly 20% of your own party did not support the bill then it had bigger issues than your dislike of Democrats Mr Cantor.

And I use the term 'mister' loosely.


62 voted against it.
 
2013-06-21 12:19:32 PM

gimmegimme: Cletus C.: Ha. That's like Harry Reid blaming Republicans if he can't get something through the Senate.

According to the rules, how many votes are required for a bill to pass the Senate.  What is the current number needed?


It's a simple majority. 51 would suffice.

Now, to actually get the bill to the floor for a vote, that requires 60.
 
2013-06-21 12:20:13 PM

gimmegimme: Cletus C.: Ha. That's like Harry Reid blaming Republicans if he can't get something through the Senate.

According to the rules, how many votes are required for a bill to pass the Senate.  What is the current number needed?


I think it may be more than the current amount of Democratic senators.

But Cleety Cleet knows that. He's just a thread-sh*tting dicknuts.
 
2013-06-21 12:23:38 PM

meat0918: gimmegimme: Cletus C.: Ha. That's like Harry Reid blaming Republicans if he can't get something through the Senate.

According to the rules, how many votes are required for a bill to pass the Senate.  What is the current number needed?

It's a simple majority. 51 would suffice.

Now, to actually get the bill to the floor for a vote, that requires 60.


Wow...it's almost as if Republicans don't give a shiat about the country's rulebook.
 
2013-06-21 12:23:42 PM

Serious Black: Mentat: Republicans:  Ha!  We put a poison pill in this legislation that will prevent the Democrats from voting for it!
Democrats:  Fine, we won't vote for it.
Republicans:  What- but- I- you- SCREW YOU!

The sad thing is that 58 of the Republican nays came from people who voted aye on the poison pill. If I were more cynical, I'd say they intentionally tanked the bill.


I hadn't heard anything about the particulars of this bill.  What was the poison pill they inserted?
 
2013-06-21 12:24:29 PM
Yay!  It's the same old government efficiency that we're used to.
 
2013-06-21 12:25:50 PM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: gimmegimme: Cletus C.: Ha. That's like Harry Reid blaming Republicans if he can't get something through the Senate.

According to the rules, how many votes are required for a bill to pass the Senate.  What is the current number needed?

I think it may be more than the current amount of Democratic senators.

But Cleety Cleet knows that. He's just a thread-sh*tting dicknuts.


No, there are enough Democrats in the Senate to pass any bill. But as pointed out above, getting a bill to a vote can be tricky. So yes, a bit of fun-poking on my part, and a nice bowl of dicknuts with my beer tonight would be great.
 
2013-06-21 12:25:51 PM
This logic is awfully contorted.

Obama can't get anything done, because the Republican minority is able to effectively stop anything from happening, despite having minimal majority in half of one of the three branches of government. Obstructionism, you see.
Even though Democrats have the majority in the Senate, Republicans in the Senate can stop anything.
Even when Democrats had the majority in the House, Republicans in the House could stop anything. (It's a wonder ACA even got through, and they almost stopped that too).

So a minority part in either House of Congress CAN completely defeat the efforts of any other party, as we have been told over and over again for the last half a decade.

Except when it happens the other way around? I'm happy to see the Dems reminding themselves and everyone else that they are not powerless in the House, and that they invented the poison pill maneuver and all.

It's just silly watching some Farkers insisting that Democrats and Republicans have different political playbooks.
 
2013-06-21 12:27:00 PM

Vodka Zombie: Republicans lie.


Both sides lie.
/So Vote Republican
 
2013-06-21 12:27:55 PM

Cletus C.: Obama's Reptiloid Master: gimmegimme: Cletus C.: Ha. That's like Harry Reid blaming Republicans if he can't get something through the Senate.

According to the rules, how many votes are required for a bill to pass the Senate.  What is the current number needed?

I think it may be more than the current amount of Democratic senators.

But Cleety Cleet knows that. He's just a thread-sh*tting dicknuts.

No, there are enough Democrats in the Senate to pass any bill. But as pointed out above, getting a bill to a vote can be tricky. So yes, a bit of fun-poking on my part, and a nice bowl of dicknuts with my beer tonight would be great.


Interesting.  So it's the fault of the Democrats because they can't overcome the crybaby Republican stonewalling.
 
2013-06-21 12:29:49 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Even though Democrats have the majority in the Senate, Republicans in the Senate can stop anything.


Correct.
 
2013-06-21 12:30:43 PM

gimmegimme: Cletus C.: Obama's Reptiloid Master: gimmegimme: Cletus C.: Ha. That's like Harry Reid blaming Republicans if he can't get something through the Senate.

According to the rules, how many votes are required for a bill to pass the Senate.  What is the current number needed?

I think it may be more than the current amount of Democratic senators.

But Cleety Cleet knows that. He's just a thread-sh*tting dicknuts.

No, there are enough Democrats in the Senate to pass any bill. But as pointed out above, getting a bill to a vote can be tricky. So yes, a bit of fun-poking on my part, and a nice bowl of dicknuts with my beer tonight would be great.

Interesting.  So it's the fault of the Democrats because they can't overcome the crybaby Republican stonewalling.


If they'd stop calling them crybaby stonewallers they might have a better chance of working with them. To your corners, children.
 
2013-06-21 12:31:31 PM
Ha. That's like Harry Reid blaming Republicans if he can't get something through the Senate.

holy shiat have you ever been right about anything? like even the simplest thing?
 
2013-06-21 12:32:51 PM

Cletus C.: gimmegimme: Cletus C.: Obama's Reptiloid Master: gimmegimme: Cletus C.: Ha. That's like Harry Reid blaming Republicans if he can't get something through the Senate.

According to the rules, how many votes are required for a bill to pass the Senate.  What is the current number needed?

I think it may be more than the current amount of Democratic senators.

But Cleety Cleet knows that. He's just a thread-sh*tting dicknuts.

No, there are enough Democrats in the Senate to pass any bill. But as pointed out above, getting a bill to a vote can be tricky. So yes, a bit of fun-poking on my part, and a nice bowl of dicknuts with my beer tonight would be great.

Interesting.  So it's the fault of the Democrats because they can't overcome the crybaby Republican stonewalling.

If they'd stop calling them crybaby stonewallers they might have a better chance of working with them. To your corners, children.


That's cool.  Blame the victim.

And which part of "crybaby stonewallers" is factually incorrect?

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 12:33:09 PM
This is just another exhibit of how the Republican "leadership" is totally unqualified for their job. Yes, Democrats voted against it because they for some reason thought it a bad idea to take food away from poor people, but actual conservatives voted against it as well because they didn't like the subsidies.
 
2013-06-21 12:33:33 PM
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) slammed Republicans after the chamber voted down their farm bill on Thursday afternoon, calling it "major amateur hour."


"It's silly. It's sad. It's juvenile. It's unprofessional. It's amateur hour," she told reporters.


Listen to this lady, Johnny Boy. She actually had control over her caucus.
 
2013-06-21 12:34:11 PM

Weatherkiss: Vodka Zombie: Republicans lie.

Both sides lie.



Are you sure about that?
 
2013-06-21 12:35:41 PM

Cletus C.: If they'd stop calling them crybaby stonewallers they might have a better chance of working with them. To your corners, children.


If they'd just do everything the Republicans want, always, they'd be able to pass legislation! Also this paste is making my teeth stick together!
 
2013-06-21 12:36:03 PM

Karac: Serious Black: Mentat: Republicans:  Ha!  We put a poison pill in this legislation that will prevent the Democrats from voting for it!
Democrats:  Fine, we won't vote for it.
Republicans:  What- but- I- you- SCREW YOU!

The sad thing is that 58 of the Republican nays came from people who voted aye on the poison pill. If I were more cynical, I'd say they intentionally tanked the bill.

I hadn't heard anything about the particulars of this bill.  What was the poison pill they inserted?


It cut SNAP (food stamp) funding by $2 billion. In years past this bill has been a legislative sausage of increases in both food stamps and farm subsidies to get both liberal urban Democrats and rural conservative Republicans alike to vote on it. Now it's "punch women and children and you'll like it", and unsuprisingly, the urban liberal Democrats wouldn't touch it.
 
2013-06-21 12:36:16 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Even when Democrats had the majority in the House, Republicans in the House could stop anything. (It's a wonder ACA even got through, and they almost stopped that too).


No the problems were the blue dogs.

BojanglesPaladin: So a minority part in either House of Congress CAN completely defeat the efforts of any other party, as we have been told over and over again for the last half a decade.

Except when it happens the other way around? I'm happy to see the Dems reminding themselves and everyone else that they are not powerless in the House, and that they invented the poison pill maneuver and a


You do realize that the bill failed because numerous Republicans voted against it? Or are you just being dishonest once again?
 
2013-06-21 12:37:18 PM

Lionel Mandrake: simplicimus: What about the individuals who will suffer from the failure to pass the bill.Who will care for them?
1. Former President Jimmy Carter - His family collected $272,288 in subsidy payments from 1995 to 2012.
2. U.S. Department of Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack - He received $82,874 in USDA benefits for his family farm from 1995 to 2012.
3. USDA Under Secretary Michael T. Scuse - He "owns 20.8 percent of a farm upon which taxpayers have lavished $1,051,107 from 1995 to 2012."
4. TheRockefellerFamily -Two members of the family have received $356,018 and $591,057 respectively.
5. Beverly Hills comedian Jack Benny -He raked in $18,120 for his farm in CA.
6. Former Miss America of 1959, Mary Ann Mobley -$142,933 were given to her for a farm in Mississippi.
7. Riceland Foods, Inc.- This farm - self-described as "the world's largest miller and marketer of rice" - raked in $554,343,039 between 1995 and 2012.
8. Members of Congress and their families -House Agriculture Committee chairman Frank Lucas (R-OK) must be pretty pleased with the pretty penny taxpayers paid to his wife, Lynda L. Lucas, who collected $40,613.

Don't forget Representative Stephen Fischer, who quotes the Bible to justify cutting food stamps, but has received $3.5 million in farm subsidies.

Because, if Jesus can be summed up in one principle, it's "take from the poor and give to the rich"


Just googled this guy -- it's "Fincher", not "Fischer".

//"Douchebag" is also acceptable.
 
2013-06-21 12:38:39 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Even when Democrats had the majority in the House, Republicans in the House could stop anything. (It's a wonder ACA even got through, and they almost stopped that too).


Um, when Dems controlled the House, they passed a ton of bills, and were pissed the Senate couldn't get their shiat together in order to pass their version. What are you talking about?
 
2013-06-21 12:39:55 PM

Jackson Herring: Ha. That's like Harry Reid blaming Republicans if he can't get something through the Senate.

holy shiat have you ever been right about anything? like even the simplest thing?


Considering the source...no.
 
2013-06-21 12:40:36 PM

Car_Ramrod: She actually had control over her caucus.


I find using two hands helps
 
2013-06-21 12:46:38 PM

gimmegimme: meat0918: gimmegimme: Cletus C.: Ha. That's like Harry Reid blaming Republicans if he can't get something through the Senate.

According to the rules, how many votes are required for a bill to pass the Senate.  What is the current number needed?

It's a simple majority. 51 would suffice.

Now, to actually get the bill to the floor for a vote, that requires 60.

Wow...it's almost as if Republicans don't give a shiat about the country's rulebook.


It's all A-OK according to the country's rulebook (I assume you mean the Constitution).

"Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings"

They could require you to dance the chicken dance as one of their rules for bringing a vote to the floor.
 
2013-06-21 12:50:13 PM

Wooly Bully: These are actual Facebook page names:

"Americans who would like to punch Eric Cantor in the face"

"I Want to Punch Eric Cantor in his Smug B*tch Face"


If I used Facebook, I would have a page entitled:  "I want to tell Zombie Bruce Lee that Eric Cantor killed his master."
 
2013-06-21 01:04:46 PM

gimmegimme: Cletus C.: gimmegimme: Cletus C.: Obama's Reptiloid Master: gimmegimme: Cletus C.: Ha. That's like Harry Reid blaming Republicans if he can't get something through the Senate.

According to the rules, how many votes are required for a bill to pass the Senate.  What is the current number needed?

I think it may be more than the current amount of Democratic senators.

But Cleety Cleet knows that. He's just a thread-sh*tting dicknuts.

No, there are enough Democrats in the Senate to pass any bill. But as pointed out above, getting a bill to a vote can be tricky. So yes, a bit of fun-poking on my part, and a nice bowl of dicknuts with my beer tonight would be great.

Interesting.  So it's the fault of the Democrats because they can't overcome the crybaby Republican stonewalling.

If they'd stop calling them crybaby stonewallers they might have a better chance of working with them. To your corners, children.

That's cool.  Blame the victim.

And which part of "crybaby stonewallers" is factually incorrect?

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