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2013-06-21 10:10:17 AM
Should I read the article and make an informed comment about such things or sit here waiting for the departure of the hate train?

You get to decide.
 
2013-06-21 10:17:40 AM
As an IT employee for a school district that is planning to do the same, I am NOT getting a kick out of this.

They want to give laptops to every high school kid, and iPad to every elementary kid. Meanwhile, our health insurance went up and no raises in sight.
 
2013-06-21 10:19:19 AM

Dinobot: As an IT employee for a school district that is planning to do the same, I am NOT getting a kick out of this.

They want to give laptops to every high school kid, and iPad to every elementary kid. Meanwhile, our health insurance went up and no raises in sight.


Oh yeah, and the test scores keep going down and down even if we have increased technology in the classrooms already, thrice fold vis a vis 10 years ago.

/teachers using pcs and laptops and iPads as a nanny for the kids
 
2013-06-21 10:20:50 AM

Dinobot: As an IT employee for a school district that is planning to do the same, I am NOT getting a kick out of this.

They want to give laptops to every high school kid, and iPad to every elementary kid. Meanwhile, our health insurance went up and no raises in sight.


I would be more upset at the lack of enterprise management on the iPads. It's getting better now that some new vendors are creating Windows/Linux-based enterprise management servers, but it's still a chunk of added cost on top of an already expensive unit.
 
2013-06-21 10:20:56 AM
They recently did this in the school district I grew up going to and they're now considered one of the best ones in the country. National Superintendent of the Year, President Obama visiting and everything.

Not 100% of the iPads, but you get the idea.

/I think they only did the iPads for 4th grade on up, however
 
2013-06-21 10:27:15 AM

FunkyBlue: Dinobot: As an IT employee for a school district that is planning to do the same, I am NOT getting a kick out of this.

They want to give laptops to every high school kid, and iPad to every elementary kid. Meanwhile, our health insurance went up and no raises in sight.

I would be more upset at the lack of enterprise management on the iPads. It's getting better now that some new vendors are creating Windows/Linux-based enterprise management servers, but it's still a chunk of added cost on top of an already expensive unit.


We use absolute apps for the management and push down the supervision profile to the apps. But the guy that manages the Mdm server is a moron, and our CTO is even worse, he opened YouTube, Skype and wants as little restrictions as possible on the equipment so the kids use it.

He prefers the kids to use the gear for the wrong reasons than the gear being secure/restricted to the point the kids prefer to use their phones instead.

There is already a conflux of principals that are getting upset over that but he won't budge.
 
2013-06-21 10:31:55 AM
They're paying $678 per tablet - this does include software and I'm assuming the warranty is in there too.  Still seems like a hell of a lot since they're only getting ~45,000 devices for $30mil while the district has over a half million kids.

How this is more effective than text books and a shared computer lab is sort of beyond me but I what do I know?  In elementary school we learned computers on an Apple IIGS once a week and we liked it.

Much more informative article here:  http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lausd-chooses-ipads-for-p i lot-20130618,0,6957151.story
 
2013-06-21 10:32:17 AM

Dinobot: Dinobot: As an IT employee for a school district that is planning to do the same, I am NOT getting a kick out of this.

They want to give laptops to every high school kid, and iPad to every elementary kid. Meanwhile, our health insurance went up and no raises in sight.

Oh yeah, and the test scores keep going down and down even if we have increased technology in the classrooms already, thrice fold vis a vis 10 years ago.

/teachers using pcs and laptops and iPads as a nanny for the kids


A large part of the problem in my district is that they spend all kinds of money on acquiring the technology and zero dollars training teachers how to use it. We have 'smartboards' in every school and I've only ever seen them used as really expensive screens for LCD projectors.
 
2013-06-21 10:39:48 AM

Glenford: Dinobot: Dinobot: As an IT employee for a school district that is planning to do the same, I am NOT getting a kick out of this.

They want to give laptops to every high school kid, and iPad to every elementary kid. Meanwhile, our health insurance went up and no raises in sight.

Oh yeah, and the test scores keep going down and down even if we have increased technology in the classrooms already, thrice fold vis a vis 10 years ago.

/teachers using pcs and laptops and iPads as a nanny for the kids

A large part of the problem in my district is that they spend all kinds of money on acquiring the technology and zero dollars training teachers how to use it. We have 'smartboards' in every school and I've only ever seen them used as really expensive screens for LCD projectors.


We got those too. Mimiostudio and activboards from promethean.

I agree on the training. They downsized the tech training dept to half. Not my dept, but it's our sister department as both depts are under the same boss, our CTO.

Gets to the point that teachers ask me to train them and I really can't. I know how to fix things but I really can't train people on software I don't even know how to use. (Like the special Ed software)
 
2013-06-21 10:41:04 AM
They should get the hardened military version.
img.fark.net
with the self-destruct icon.
 
2013-06-21 10:48:17 AM
IT Director here for a school, I wish to echo so many of the previous comments.  Schools just want to check the metric that they put tech in a kids hand and nothing more.  I've been fighting the good fight for the past three years against ipads.  My argument has been show me a curriculum that will use them then I will make the move.  I actually pushed netbooks two years ago due to my cost of MS office being 12$ a machine.  Those netbooks get used nearly every day in almost every class.

No one seems to even think about the ergonomics of touch screen typing oh but wait I can buy a Bluetooth keyboard and stand the ipad up!  Yeah and for the cost of those two units I just bought 3 netbooks that can run more software, allow AD GPO propagation and the security that I need.

Get off the Apple bandwagon and prove to me actual application of the devices.
 
2013-06-21 10:50:04 AM
Apple's political contributions-- money well spent.  So long as you're Apple at least.
 
2013-06-21 11:01:36 AM
They should've waited http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/17/4439576/microsoft-surface-rt-school - discount-199  . They could have got 90,000 for that price sans book software
 
2013-06-21 11:06:14 AM

Dinobot: As an IT employee for a school district that is planning to do the same, I am NOT getting a kick out of this.

They want to give laptops to every high school kid, and iPad to every elementary kid. Meanwhile, our health insurance went up and no raises in sight.


So you're saying that the school district is spending money on educating kids instead of increasing teacher compensation?
 
2013-06-21 11:08:14 AM

dazed420: IT Director here for a school, I wish to echo so many of the previous comments.  Schools just want to check the metric that they put tech in a kids hand and nothing more.  I've been fighting the good fight for the past three years against ipads.  My argument has been show me a curriculum that will use them then I will make the move.  I actually pushed netbooks two years ago due to my cost of MS office being 12$ a machine.  Those netbooks get used nearly every day in almost every class.

No one seems to even think about the ergonomics of touch screen typing oh but wait I can buy a Bluetooth keyboard and stand the ipad up!  Yeah and for the cost of those two units I just bought 3 netbooks that can run more software, allow AD GPO propagation and the security that I need.

Get off the Apple bandwagon and prove to me actual application of the devices.


iPad is a poor choice.  Honestly, you'd want something with a stylus that can run OneNote.  Anything else is a horrible waste of money.
 
2013-06-21 11:31:25 AM

meanmutton: Dinobot: As an IT employee for a school district that is planning to do the same, I am NOT getting a kick out of this.

They want to give laptops to every high school kid, and iPad to every elementary kid. Meanwhile, our health insurance went up and no raises in sight.

So you're saying that the school district is spending money on educating kids instead of increasing teacher compensation?


Teachers educate kids, douchebag, not iPads.
 
2013-06-21 11:40:12 AM

dazed420: Get off the Apple bandwagon and prove to me actual application of the devices.


As a IT guy for a school district, I know exactly what you mean.

We have mobile carts with 30 iPads in each primary school. They don't get used for any real curriculum, they are used to play "educational games". Teachers usually keep their iPad connected to Pandora so they can play music while the kids do their thing. They easily break too. I don't know how many Ive returned to Apple Care for broken screens.

They are nothing more than a toy. A very expensive toy.
 
2013-06-21 12:02:33 PM

Whatthefark: dazed420: Get off the Apple bandwagon and prove to me actual application of the devices.

As a IT guy for a school district, I know exactly what you mean.

We have mobile carts with 30 iPads in each primary school. They don't get used for any real curriculum, they are used to play "educational games". Teachers usually keep their iPad connected to Pandora so they can play music while the kids do their thing. They easily break too. I don't know how many Ive returned to Apple Care for broken screens.

They are nothing more than a toy. A very expensive toy.


ecx.images-amazon.com

book from mid-90s still true today
 
2013-06-21 12:10:51 PM
Dinobot


As an IT employee for a school district that is planning to do the same, I am NOT getting a kick out of this.

They want to give laptops to every high school kid, and iPad to every elementary kid. Meanwhile, our health insurance went up and no raises in sight.

Not to worry, obama has fixed your health care!
 
2013-06-21 12:15:53 PM
illegal.tender
Teachers educate kids...

Obviously

Record-low SAT scores a wake-up call

SAT reading scores drop to lowest point in decades

And a bang up job of it you're doing.
// Failures deserve raises. Reward failure so we get more of it.
 
2013-06-21 12:25:53 PM

OnlyM3: illegal.tender
Teachers educate kids...
Obviously

Record-low SAT scores a wake-up call

SAT reading scores drop to lowest point in decades

And a bang up job of it you're doing.
// Failures deserve raises. Reward failure so we get more of it.


yet wall street and other companies constantly reward people with raises even if they are part of the problem that caused the economic meltdown.  In fact CEOs were upset that the government was going to restrict bonuses for fear that the coveted employees would leave and go elsewhere.

Until you are in a classroom and experience what the teachers go through you should perhaps not jump to conclusions.  Yes you will hear about the teacher or two that are abusing the system but you never hear about how terrible of a job the administration does in managing the staff or how backwards the process gets when politicians put their nose into the curriculum or the shear FAILURE of parents thinking that the school\teacher are there to teach their kid how to behave.

The failure of scores are shared by everyone in the process blaming the person on the front line that is POORLY compensated compared to the schooling\training they went through to get there is short sighted and shows a lack of ability to properly see the whole picture.

Trust me I see a lot of failure teachers but to place the blame on only them is wrong.  If anything parents need to take most of the blame followed by anyone that wishes to mess with curriculum forcing non science into science classrooms or forcing toys such as Ipads into the classroom to reach an administrative metric.  I constantly experience parents trying to negotiate better grades for their crotch fruit never realizing just how much damage it will do to the brats.  All of the above is just from me being the IT director the stuff I've seen has made me realize just how messed up the entire education system is, private\public, political, administrative, and staffing.
 
2013-06-21 12:48:42 PM
CSB

My wife is a graphic designer that works almost exclusively on an app that is very popular with middle-aged housewives. The company doesn't provide iPads, so she decided to go out and get an iPad mini since no else had one so they could see how things pan out on it and it was cheaper.

So she goes to Best Buy and is sitting with the sales guy going through their usual spiel about protection plans when in walks this dude that plops and iPad down on the table next to her. She looks over and the damn thing has a bullet hole through it. One might ask: How do you know it was a bullet hole? He was open carrying a handgun. It was in PA, so as far as I can tell it was perfectly legal. So he sits down and says "I have the protection plan. I'd like a new iPad." My wife said he was very polite, though she was sort of taken off guard by the gun. The sales guy picked up on her being somewhat uncomfortable so he had the guy wait and they moved to another computer and continued on. In the meantime another associate called the cops as a precaution. The sales guy told my wife that a few weeks before this incident they had someone come in and do the same thing, however he wasn't as polite and actually started making threats while open-carrying, which resulted in a nice visit from the police. According to her salesperson, the protection plan does not cover bullet damage.

End CSB
 
2013-06-21 12:54:00 PM
I'm a longtime Macintosh user, but don't really care for the iPad or tablet format (iPad / Win / Android) in general.  I think a laptop is much more practical.  How is a kid going to write a report on a damn touchscreen?  And if you add in a keyboard you have defeated the purpose of the tablet.

I hate how people think putting a computer in a kid's hand is going to make them smart.   I guess all the old time encyclopedia salesman now work in IT sales.  Same gimmick, different item.

Here in San Diego, this $12,000/yr private school won't issue iPad or computer to elementary kids.  And they have better scores than our public school system that has also spent a fortune on iPads / netbooks.

http://fox5sandiego.com/2013/05/14/waldorf-bans-ipads-from-elementar y- classrooms/#axzz2Wo4maHKh

/ Sister in law works in a school.  She always worries toward the end of the year to make sure she has spent all they money in her departments budget.
 
2013-06-21 01:05:06 PM

Dinobot: Glenford: Dinobot: Dinobot: As an IT employee for a school district that is planning to do the same, I am NOT getting a kick out of this.

They want to give laptops to every high school kid, and iPad to every elementary kid. Meanwhile, our health insurance went up and no raises in sight.

Oh yeah, and the test scores keep going down and down even if we have increased technology in the classrooms already, thrice fold vis a vis 10 years ago.

/teachers using pcs and laptops and iPads as a nanny for the kids

A large part of the problem in my district is that they spend all kinds of money on acquiring the technology and zero dollars training teachers how to use it. We have 'smartboards' in every school and I've only ever seen them used as really expensive screens for LCD projectors.

We got those too. Mimiostudio and activboards from promethean.

I agree on the training. They downsized the tech training dept to half. Not my dept, but it's our sister department as both depts are under the same boss, our CTO.

Gets to the point that teachers ask me to train them and I really can't. I know how to fix things but I really can't train people on software I don't even know how to use. (Like the special Ed software)


---Exactly.  Sister in law (see above post) just told me that the union was hearing arguments from the Librarians.  The school  district wanted to reclassify them as Media Techs?, so they would encompass books and computers and they could cut back on the IT department.  Now some of these IT people are fixing things like projectors and TVs, and not just computers but still show how screwed up the priorities are with the school districts.

BTW, said sister in law who works in administration gets a school issued laptop that is mostly used by my niece to play games.
 
2013-06-21 01:45:24 PM

Dinobot: As an IT employee for a school district that is planning to do the same, I am NOT getting a kick out of this.

They want to give laptops to every high school kid, and iPad to every elementary kid. Meanwhile, our health insurance went up and no raises in sight.


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Dinobot: Dinobot: As an IT employee for a school district that is planning to do the same, I am NOT getting a kick out of this.

They want to give laptops to every high school kid, and iPad to every elementary kid. Meanwhile, our health insurance went up and no raises in sight.

Oh yeah, and the test scores keep going down and down even if we have increased technology in the classrooms already, thrice fold vis a vis 10 years ago.

/teachers using pcs and laptops and iPads as a nanny for the kids


While it's being poorly implemented and ineffective at this time, this is going in the direction of job loss in favor of automation, as it is in many industries. At this rate, we won't be producing  many graduates who know how to make automated systems though...
 
2013-06-21 01:59:16 PM

natgab: Dinobot: Glenford: Dinobot: Dinobot: As an IT employee for a school district that is planning to do the same, I am NOT getting a kick out of this.

They want to give laptops to every high school kid, and iPad to every elementary kid. Meanwhile, our health insurance went up and no raises in sight.

Oh yeah, and the test scores keep going down and down even if we have increased technology in the classrooms already, thrice fold vis a vis 10 years ago.

/teachers using pcs and laptops and iPads as a nanny for the kids

A large part of the problem in my district is that they spend all kinds of money on acquiring the technology and zero dollars training teachers how to use it. We have 'smartboards' in every school and I've only ever seen them used as really expensive screens for LCD projectors.

We got those too. Mimiostudio and activboards from promethean.

I agree on the training. They downsized the tech training dept to half. Not my dept, but it's our sister department as both depts are under the same boss, our CTO.

Gets to the point that teachers ask me to train them and I really can't. I know how to fix things but I really can't train people on software I don't even know how to use. (Like the special Ed software)

---Exactly.  Sister in law (see above post) just told me that the union was hearing arguments from the Librarians.  The school  district wanted to reclassify them as Media Techs?, so they would encompass books and computers and they could cut back on the IT department.  Now some of these IT people are fixing things like projectors and TVs, and not just computers but still show how screwed up the priorities are with the school districts.

BTW, said sister in law who works in administration gets a school issued laptop that is mostly used by my niece to play games.


We don't fix Tvs but we replace projector lamps, or ship them out for repair if still under warranty. Although I think some classes abuse the projector.

I have had middle school math teachers tell me their class is ruined if they cannot use a projector, one time I got so upset I told the teacher that my mother taught algebra and trigonometry using only the old trigonometric tables (she banned the use of calculators in her class) and if she taught like that for 20 years without problems, surely the she (the whiny teacher) could cope without the projector for something as simple as fractions.

I earned a warning in my file for that but it was so gratifying to put her in her place in front of others.

/I regret nothing!
//cscope is a piece if shiat.
 
2013-06-21 02:08:25 PM

dazed420: IT Director here for a school, I wish to echo so many of the previous comments.  Schools just want to check the metric that they put tech in a kids hand and nothing more.  I've been fighting the good fight for the past three years against ipads.  My argument has been show me a curriculum that will use them then I will make the move.  I actually pushed netbooks two years ago due to my cost of MS office being 12$ a machine.  Those netbooks get used nearly every day in almost every class.

No one seems to even think about the ergonomics of touch screen typing oh but wait I can buy a Bluetooth keyboard and stand the ipad up!  Yeah and for the cost of those two units I just bought 3 netbooks that can run more software, allow AD GPO propagation and the security that I need.

Get off the Apple bandwagon and prove to me actual application of the devices.


Can you be my CTO? You actually have common sense.

He just wants to be known as the guy that gave everyone shiny things.

His latest farkup was that he chose a new laptop for the teachers and he chose one of those swivel style ones that convert to tablet, Cept that they don't come with a VGA port, so now they gotta buy USB to VGA so the teachers can connect their laptops to the projectors. Oh yeah, and also a USB NIC because they don't have Ethernet either and they need it because the district runs its own Internet channels but they are so bandwidth intensive that they don't work over the wireless and the laptop must be wired if the teacher needs to use the Internet channels.
 
2013-06-21 02:33:50 PM
dazed420

Until you are in a classroom and experience what the teachers go through you should perhaps not jump to conclusions.


Riiight

Yes you will hear about the teacher or two that are abusing the system

Riiiight. Just like cops, it's "one bad apple". Surely the Teacher's unions wouldn't oppose a bill that protected children from rapists.... oh, wait... yes they did.

Teacher's Union Blocks Bill That Makes Firing Child Molesters Easier
 
2013-06-21 02:45:42 PM
Waste of money, IMO.

Also - for those who want to bash the teachers - the truth of the matter is the teacher doesn't matter that much.  If the kids don't want to learn - they won't and there isn't anything the teacher can do.  Tying teacher's pay to test scores is silly.

Imagine if you got paid for what those under you do instead of what you do - and you can't fire any of them.  That is what most people are asking teachers to do.
 
2013-06-21 03:39:32 PM
You can throw as much hardware at students as you want and you're still not going to have "a strong technology focus." Same crap they did before. I remember my school getting their hands on 120 some 1st gen iBooks and this fancy new "airport" technology. Maybe once a month a teacher would have a class type something. But damn if it wasn't presented as "state-of-the-art technology with a focus on hands-on teaching" while they sat in a locked cart in the corner.

There's great educational stuff you can do with tech, but throwing hardware at idiot teachers with no knowledge of it themselves is not the way to do it. Set up a proper lab, find an instructor who knows what they're doing, and teach something besides farking powerpoint.

/Maybe my experience is just dated
//I hope so
 
2013-06-21 03:41:50 PM

Dinobot: dazed420: IT Director here for a school, I wish to echo so many of the previous comments.  Schools just want to check the metric that they put tech in a kids hand and nothing more.  I've been fighting the good fight for the past three years against ipads.  My argument has been show me a curriculum that will use them then I will make the move.  I actually pushed netbooks two years ago due to my cost of MS office being 12$ a machine.  Those netbooks get used nearly every day in almost every class.

No one seems to even think about the ergonomics of touch screen typing oh but wait I can buy a Bluetooth keyboard and stand the ipad up!  Yeah and for the cost of those two units I just bought 3 netbooks that can run more software, allow AD GPO propagation and the security that I need.

Get off the Apple bandwagon and prove to me actual application of the devices.

Can you be my CTO? You actually have common sense.

He just wants to be known as the guy that gave everyone shiny things.

His latest farkup was that he chose a new laptop for the teachers and he chose one of those swivel style ones that convert to tablet, Cept that they don't come with a VGA port, so now they gotta buy USB to VGA so the teachers can connect their laptops to the projectors. Oh yeah, and also a USB NIC because they don't have Ethernet either and they need it because the district runs its own Internet channels but they are so bandwidth intensive that they don't work over the wireless and the laptop must be wired if the teacher needs to use the Internet channels.


Wait, they have no video out except for over USB? Or you guys are using projectors from the early 90s?
 
2013-06-21 03:44:31 PM

ProfessorOhki: Dinobot: dazed420: IT Director here for a school, I wish to echo so many of the previous comments.  Schools just want to check the metric that they put tech in a kids hand and nothing more.  I've been fighting the good fight for the past three years against ipads.  My argument has been show me a curriculum that will use them then I will make the move.  I actually pushed netbooks two years ago due to my cost of MS office being 12$ a machine.  Those netbooks get used nearly every day in almost every class.

No one seems to even think about the ergonomics of touch screen typing oh but wait I can buy a Bluetooth keyboard and stand the ipad up!  Yeah and for the cost of those two units I just bought 3 netbooks that can run more software, allow AD GPO propagation and the security that I need.

Get off the Apple bandwagon and prove to me actual application of the devices.

Can you be my CTO? You actually have common sense.

He just wants to be known as the guy that gave everyone shiny things.

His latest farkup was that he chose a new laptop for the teachers and he chose one of those swivel style ones that convert to tablet, Cept that they don't come with a VGA port, so now they gotta buy USB to VGA so the teachers can connect their laptops to the projectors. Oh yeah, and also a USB NIC because they don't have Ethernet either and they need it because the district runs its own Internet channels but they are so bandwidth intensive that they don't work over the wireless and the laptop must be wired if the teacher needs to use the Internet channels.

Wait, they have no video out except for over USB? Or you guys are using projectors from the early 90s?


We have very few network projectors.
 
2013-06-21 03:49:40 PM
OnlyM3:
Riiiight. Just like cops, it's "one bad apple". Surely the Teacher's unions wouldn't oppose a bill that protected children from rapists.... oh, wait... yes they did.

Teacher's Union Blocks Bill That Makes Firing Child Molesters Easier


Fox news?  Yeaaaaaaah.

Seems that the other side of that story is that the bill would make it "easier" to fire ACCUSED child molesters, without much evidence.
 
2013-06-21 03:51:16 PM

dazed420: OnlyM3: illegal.tender
Teachers educate kids...
Obviously

Record-low SAT scores a wake-up call

SAT reading scores drop to lowest point in decades

And a bang up job of it you're doing.
// Failures deserve raises. Reward failure so we get more of it.

yet wall street and other companies constantly reward people with raises even if they are part of the problem that caused the economic meltdown.  In fact CEOs were upset that the government was going to restrict bonuses for fear that the coveted employees would leave and go elsewhere.

Until you are in a classroom and experience what the teachers go through you should perhaps not jump to conclusions.  Yes you will hear about the teacher or two that are abusing the system but you never hear about how terrible of a job the administration does in managing the staff or how backwards the process gets when politicians put their nose into the curriculum or the shear FAILURE of parents thinking that the school\teacher are there to teach their kid how to behave.

The failure of scores are shared by everyone in the process blaming the person on the front line that is POORLY compensated compared to the schooling\training they went through to get there is short sighted and shows a lack of ability to properly see the whole picture.

Trust me I see a lot of failure teachers but to place the blame on only them is wrong.  If anything parents need to take most of the blame followed by anyone that wishes to mess with curriculum forcing non science into science classrooms or forcing toys such as Ipads into the classroom to reach an administrative metric.  I constantly experience parents trying to negotiate better grades for their crotch fruit never realizing just how much damage it will do to the brats.  All of the above is just from me being the IT director the stuff I've seen has made me realize just how messed up the entire education system is, private\public, political, administrative, and staffing.


Hold on a second. I give you more money through property taxes every damn year. I have spent countless hours helping my kids with homework.

I'm NOT taking most of the blame here.

My youngest just finished 6th grade. How about schools actually give her grades instead of Meets/Nearly Meets, etc? I have to teach them about failure, as the schools won't have any of that.

I've had teachers publicly disagree with doctor diagnoses, insult my youngest kid, etc. One of my kids was shy, so the teacher let her write notes instead of ask questions. I asked how that was going to help her overcome her fear, and got some bullshiat response.

My kids are in a decent school district, and I'm fed the fark up with school bullshiat. I just want them to go back to teaching. I can't imagine how parents in marginal or bad districts feel.

I'm sure that some parents are a huge problem, don't get me wrong. Just like some teachers are a huge problem.

But, I think the biggest problem is that schools have lost their collective balls. They really should not cater to the booger eaters. Let's raise the bar above the lowest common denominator. Stupid, unmotivated kids simply shouldn't pass just because. Fail those farkers, and spend more time with the rest of the class.
 
2013-06-21 03:54:13 PM
ProfessorOhki: Good stuff.

I'd add that it's not just "idiot teachers" that are the problem, it's idiot school boards as well.   Sure they just dropped £££ on all this lovely technology, training the staff on it (maybe), puka educational software (maybe) but....  it sits on a shelf in a locked storeroom where the kids or teachers can never touch it.

Because it was expensive.   Too expensive to let children have.
 
2013-06-21 05:52:14 PM
You get what you pay for, and teacher's salaries are less than that of trash collectors.
 
2013-06-21 06:13:15 PM
These iPads, which are being purchased at pretty much retail... are being bought using a "construction bond" that will be paid back over 30 years, WITH INTEREST.   They're going to wind up paying over a hundred million over the next 30 years, for a bunch of iPads that will get stolen. (by both students and school administrators).   Brilliance of California government at work.
 
2013-06-21 06:16:17 PM

Fireproof: They recently did this in the school district I grew up going to and they're now considered one of the best ones in the country. National Superintendent of the Year, President Obama visiting and everything.

Not 100% of the iPads, but you get the idea.

/I think they only did the iPads for 4th grade on up, however


What are the demographics of your school district?  Affluent?  Low crime?

Throwing money and technology at kids will not improve their performance.   LAUSD spends the most money per student, per year, and still has abysmally low test scores and graduation rates.
 
2013-06-21 06:30:44 PM
You can throw as much tech at the school as you want, but it won't make a damn bit of difference unless/until:

- the teachers give a fark
- the students give a fark
- the parents give a fark
- the curriculum is up to date and grade and subject appropriate (and NOT edited/altered for religious or PC reasons)
- administrators stop trying to micro-manage the classrooms

IF you manage to get all that THEN we'll talk about getting everyone ipads.

My predictions:
- 10% will get broken, break, or malfunction
- 10% will get lost or stolen
- 10% of the time spent with the device will be for actual learning

Scenario: You are a high school junior. You are at the public library. You need to do a 5 page paper on George Washington and his part in the Revolutionary War using at least three sources. Question: Would you rather that all library material be physical (books) or electronic (ebooks)?
 
2013-06-21 08:12:48 PM

Dinobot: ProfessorOhki: Dinobot: dazed420: IT Director here for a school, I wish to echo so many of the previous comments.  Schools just want to check the metric that they put tech in a kids hand and nothing more.  I've been fighting the good fight for the past three years against ipads.  My argument has been show me a curriculum that will use them then I will make the move.  I actually pushed netbooks two years ago due to my cost of MS office being 12$ a machine.  Those netbooks get used nearly every day in almost every class.

No one seems to even think about the ergonomics of touch screen typing oh but wait I can buy a Bluetooth keyboard and stand the ipad up!  Yeah and for the cost of those two units I just bought 3 netbooks that can run more software, allow AD GPO propagation and the security that I need.

Get off the Apple bandwagon and prove to me actual application of the devices.

Can you be my CTO? You actually have common sense.

He just wants to be known as the guy that gave everyone shiny things.

His latest farkup was that he chose a new laptop for the teachers and he chose one of those swivel style ones that convert to tablet, Cept that they don't come with a VGA port, so now they gotta buy USB to VGA so the teachers can connect their laptops to the projectors. Oh yeah, and also a USB NIC because they don't have Ethernet either and they need it because the district runs its own Internet channels but they are so bandwidth intensive that they don't work over the wireless and the laptop must be wired if the teacher needs to use the Internet channels.

Wait, they have no video out except for over USB? Or you guys are using projectors from the early 90s?

We have very few network projectors.


I was just really surprised that the convertible tablets didn't have mini-HDMI or something. It's odd to find something that has a laptop factor and no video out at all. He must have really worked at screwing up that bad.
 
2013-06-21 08:27:39 PM

Dinobot: As an IT employee for a school district that is planning to do the same, I am NOT getting a kick out of this.

They want to give laptops to every high school kid, and iPad to every elementary kid. Meanwhile, our health insurance went up and no raises in sight.


Do you still have a pension plan? If so, shut the motherfarking fark up.
 
2013-06-21 08:58:53 PM

DigitalCoffee: Question: Would you rather that all library material be physical (books) or electronic (ebooks)?


I would answer the question with a question:  Why am I writing a 3 page paper on an American when I'm sat in an English school, is this a symptom of how lazy our education system is that we're ripping tests off the damn yanks now?

I'd also prefer all sources to be electronic for portability and easy of searching.  It's not that I don't know how to use an index it's just that searching for, say "Gettysburg" might yield more interesting factoids than going directly to "Gettysburg, Battle of" to include in a hypothetical paper I was writing.
 
2013-06-21 10:15:17 PM

No Such Agency: OnlyM3:
Riiiight. Just like cops, it's "one bad apple". Surely the Teacher's unions wouldn't oppose a bill that protected children from rapists.... oh, wait... yes they did.

Teacher's Union Blocks Bill That Makes Firing Child Molesters Easier

Fox news?  Yeaaaaaaah.

Seems that the other side of that story is that the bill would make it "easier" to fire ACCUSED child molesters, without much evidence.


I just read the entire text of the bill. It has absolutely nothing to do lack of authority to suspend a "permanent employee", aka a teacher. It changes who has final say. It also removes pot from the list of controlled substances exemptions which require mandatory leave.

So basically it puts teachers in the hands of administrators instead of a competency board when accused of wrong doing. It also wants to criminalize use of pot by any teacher to the point where they can be fired for smoking a joint during summer break.

I would never trust my job to a bunch of elected chuckleheads. Neither should teachers.
 
2013-06-22 01:09:57 AM
And the schools in Philly are screaming that they *need* 300 million $$ from the state to make their budget.

Then there's Jersey....
 
2013-06-22 04:22:06 AM
If students have iPads and they're still failing you can't blame the problem on lack of money.
 
2013-06-22 08:22:24 AM
Too expensive. Too fragile.
 
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