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2013-06-21 10:46:20 AM
What if they use an Ipad to bludgeon a flight attendant to death?!?!

// bigger damn threat than a 2" knife...
// Just mad because I bought a non-locking pocketknife, specifically so I could keep it on my keys and not lose it if I fly and forget about it...
// assholes
 
2013-06-21 10:47:41 AM
Not even a good troll, trollmitter.
 
2013-06-21 10:49:20 AM
Scary? Its nice to see the FAA possibly/probably using common sense. I'm sure they'll fark it up somehow.
 
2013-06-21 10:50:03 AM
That's pretty cool. It's always pissed me off that I have to carry both a Kindle and a paper book if I want to read the entire flight. First world problems. Surprised about the music players. I thought they were pretty hardcore about people being able to hear the announcements during takeoff and landing.
 
2013-06-21 10:50:14 AM
Crap.  All I have is a Droid tablet.
 
2013-06-21 10:54:06 AM
If the last few flights I have taken are typical, leaving phones and computers on during the "terrible 10,000 feet" has been well tested. Every time there is someone seated within sight of me who ignores the flight attendants and keeps their electronics running during ascent/descent. Last time was the guy right beside me, and I could hear the music from his iPhone the ENTIRE flight. The airlines might as well give up and stop asking them to turn items off.
 
2013-06-21 10:54:32 AM
Cell phones will still be banned, though? I can make calls using my tablet and Google Voice. How does that fit into your regulatory scheme?
 
2013-06-21 10:57:29 AM

KyngNothing: // bigger damn threat than a 2" knife...
// Just mad because I bought a non-locking pocketknife, specifically so I could keep it on my keys and not lose it if I fly and forget about it...
// assholes


The idea that my Swiss Army knife is a threat is a joke. Anyone who tried to use one to commandeer a plane would be beaten to death by the other passengers.

My baby:

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2013-06-21 10:59:22 AM

WorkingInParadise: If the last few flights I have taken are typical, leaving phones and computers on during the "terrible 10,000 feet" has been well tested. Every time there is someone seated within sight of me who ignores the flight attendants and keeps their electronics running during ascent/descent. Last time was the guy right beside me, and I could hear the music from his iPhone the ENTIRE flight. The airlines might as well give up and stop asking them to turn items off.


I've been testing it on every flight as a passenger since 2003. Repetition and consistency are the most important aspects in ensuring the integrity of the experiment. I don't listen to music. I just drop it in my bag and/or turn the screen off. The only times I ever turned airplane mode on was when my phone had horrible battery life (Evo 4G FTL) and it would die before the end of the day.
 
2013-06-21 11:00:28 AM
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2013-06-21 11:01:41 AM
again...

its not the fact that electronics are bad.  its just that when the aircraft aborts their takeoff or hits some turbulence, that becomes a projectile.

i say create a waiver that allows for a passenger to sue another passenger if they get injured by their device on the plane.  remove the airlines liability on that.
 
2013-06-21 11:06:16 AM
All you would have to do is break the ipad screen and get a large shard of glass, and guess what? You have a weapon better than a box cutter.

#2 projectile my ass. What about all the other things passengers have like books, etc...

#3 if a multi-million dollar aircraft can't handle a mobile device being on, then we need to take a look at the airlines. That means someone could potentially "beam" that interference and crash the plane, right?

That has NEVER happened. I know many people that NEVER turn their device off. The devices do not cause problems. The antiquated airline rule is the problem. Just another way to control you.
 
2013-06-21 11:11:02 AM

Outlaw2097: again...

its not the fact that electronics are bad.  its just that when the aircraft aborts their takeoff or hits some turbulence, that becomes a projectile.

i say create a waiver that allows for a passenger to sue another passenger if they get injured by their device on the plane.  remove the airlines liability on that.


Do you work at the "making shiat up" store?
 
2013-06-21 11:14:31 AM

Outlaw2097: again...

its not the fact that electronics are bad.  its just that when the aircraft aborts their takeoff or hits some turbulence, that becomes a projectile.

i say create a waiver that allows for a passenger to sue another passenger if they get injured by their device on the plane.  remove the airlines liability on that.


Yeah... a flying kindle will be the LEAST of your concerns if 'turbulence' is that bad.
 
2013-06-21 11:15:03 AM

Outlaw2097: its not the fact that electronics are bad. its just that when the aircraft aborts their takeoff or hits some turbulence, that becomes a projectile.


So is that water bottle, and that kid's toy car and that paperback.  You're not really living up to your name are you?

I say, FINALLY!!!  I'm sick of having to hide my Kindle...

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And where are the rest of you "it's for safety" and "just follow the rules" assholes who come out in threads like these?
 
2013-06-21 11:18:19 AM

Jument: I thought they were pretty hardcore about people being able to hear the announcements during takeoff and landing.


This. I'm ok with e-readers (/tablets for reading) and that's about it. Everything else that is going to be used to produce sound (iPod) is going to be disruptive to everyone else around you. Lets face it, most people lost in their music have it cranked up so loud, the people in the seats behind them can hear it too. It's hard to have a rule "Those of you with some common sense can listen to your music quietly. Those of you who don't need to turn it off."
Seems to me laptops would pose a significant risk to your face if there was any major turbulence during take-off or landing. Frankly, I prefer to stick with my paperback. Call me old school, I just prefer pages.
 
2013-06-21 11:18:32 AM
Yes, it's scary because of all those aircraft brought down by cell phones and laptops.
 
2013-06-21 11:20:42 AM

Outlaw2097: again...

its not the fact that electronics are bad.  its just that when the aircraft aborts their takeoff or hits some turbulence, that becomes a projectile.

i say create a waiver that allows for a passenger to sue another passenger if they get injured by their device on the plane.  remove the airlines liability on that.


And the award for dumbest comment of the day goes to:

Outlaw2097!

I suppose it would feel better to be hit by any of these 1000+ page hardbacks:

d.gr-assets.com
 
2013-06-21 11:20:42 AM
It's about time someone recognized that people have been leaving their electronics on for years. I never turn my stuff off, unless the battery is dying.

However, I'll be surprised to actually see this enacted. Authorities typically just double down in cases like these. If allowing them were their idea, it'd be ok. But, since it is being demanded by consumers, I expect that "more study is needed to prove safety. You don't hate children, do you?"
 
2013-06-21 11:23:11 AM
The fact that cell phones would work if they were allowed means that the plane is being bombarded with microwave signals ANYWAYS without a problem.
 
2013-06-21 11:25:15 AM

redmid17: I suppose it would feel better to be hit by any of these 1000+ page hardbacks:


I can't recall the last time I saw anyone reading a hardback on a plane. F carrying those things around... Moreso:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-06-21 11:30:35 AM

redmid17: I suppose it would feel better to be hit by any of these 1000+ page hardbacks:

d.gr-assets.com


To be fair, after the fifth or sixth they do get pretty painful.
 
2013-06-21 11:30:50 AM

dobro: The fact that cell phones would work if they were allowed means that the plane is being bombarded with microwave signals ANYWAYS without a problem.


Duuhh!

But, it is your interfearence that will kill us all.
Remember, It is not interference when we do it!

Not for you!
 
2013-06-21 11:32:56 AM
I've never been concerned about electronics interfering with the aircraft, I just don't want an iPad flying through the air and smashing my head if we have a hard landing or need to abort takeoff.
 
2013-06-21 11:33:40 AM

Kirzania: redmid17: I suppose it would feel better to be hit by any of these 1000+ page hardbacks:

I can't recall the last time I saw anyone reading a hardback on a plane. F carrying those things around... Moreso:
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When AMOL of came out, I didn't have a tablet and I wanted a hardcover version of the book. I took it on two flights in January alone.
 
2013-06-21 11:34:39 AM
Time to sell batteries on flights.
Prolly get $10 for a AAA.
 
2013-06-21 11:41:05 AM
There's an app for that...
 
2013-06-21 11:46:00 AM

Outlaw2097: again...

its not the fact that electronics are bad.  its just that when the aircraft aborts their takeoff or hits some turbulence, that becomes a projectile.

i say create a waiver that allows for a passenger to sue another passenger if they get injured by their device on the plane.  remove the airlines liability on that.


Getting hit by an ipad: bad
Getting hit by a book, magazine, water bottle, purse, toy, guitar, diaper bag, infant, or anything but an ipad: acceptable

Glad to have that cleared up.

/I can't say I've ever seen more than a couple people at a time with nothing in their hand/laps during the entire flight
 
2013-06-21 11:50:01 AM

Watubi: I've never been concerned about electronics interfering with the aircraft, I just don't want an iPad flying through the air and smashing my head if we have a hard landing or need to abort takeoff.


This.

I thought those electronics rules were in the event of a failed take-off or landing, as well as to focus your attention during the safety briefing.

 A book will hurt, but not as much as a phone, tablet, laptop, whathaveyou. Modern electronics are probably a little lighter and thus ok.
 
2013-06-21 11:58:29 AM

Kirzania: I'm ok with e-readers (/tablets for reading) and that's about it. Everything else that is going to be used to produce sound (iPod) is going to be disruptive to everyone else around you. Lets face it, most people lost in their music have it cranked up so loud, the people in the seats behind them can hear it too. It's hard to have a rule "Those of you with some common sense can listen to your music quietly. Those of you who don't need to turn it off."


I was told that I could listen to the radio at a reasonable volume from nine to eleven ...

www.moviequotesandmore.com
 
2013-06-21 12:01:57 PM
The problem with enabling cellphones is the farkwit yammering about his/her uber important shiat for the entire flight.
 
2013-06-21 12:17:58 PM

majestic: The problem with enabling cellphones is the farkwit yammering about his/her uber important shiat for the entire flight.


Yeah not so much:   http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/technology/29phones.html

Cell phones on planes have been around for years and not been a problem.
 
2013-06-21 12:21:37 PM
The "distraction" and "dangerous projectile" aspects have been covered. Next is that all electronic devices are radio transmitters. Sometimes it's just leakage from digital signals, sometimes it's leakage of the local oscillator in a radio receiver, sometimes it's intentional transmission. Sometimes a device is defective or has been user-modified to radiate beyond its original design parameters. You have to consider signal intensities and frequencies (including harmonics), then ask whether anything is going to overlap with one of the many RF technologies used by the plane (GPS, TCAS, communication, etc). Don't forget the inverse-square law; 1 watt from 10 feet away is a lot stronger than 100 watts from 20 miles away.

It's not a question of an iPhone bringing the plane down directly; it's a question of whether there's a one-in-a-million chance that a bit of ill-timed interference could somehow contribute to an accident by interrupting communication, masking a real warning, or giving a false indication of something. IMHO the FAA is doing the right thing by starting from a deny-all policy and gradually relaxing the restrictions after more testing and upgrading of airplane systems (many of which were designed and built before the cell-phone era).
 
2013-06-21 12:38:15 PM

redmid17: majestic: The problem with enabling cellphones is the farkwit yammering about his/her uber important shiat for the entire flight.

Yeah not so much:   http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/technology/29phones.html

Cell phones on planes have been around for years and not been a problem.


Dude, I've had Johnny Tarmack, sales superstar, on flights with me before.  From boarding to phones off, yammer, yammer, blah, blah, blah. Then when we land, here he goes again. I don't want that shiat the entire flight.
 
2013-06-21 12:42:00 PM

majestic: redmid17: majestic: The problem with enabling cellphones is the farkwit yammering about his/her uber important shiat for the entire flight.

Yeah not so much:   http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/technology/29phones.html

Cell phones on planes have been around for years and not been a problem.

Dude, I've had Johnny Tarmack, sales superstar, on flights with me before.  From boarding to phones off, yammer, yammer, blah, blah, blah. Then when we land, here he goes again. I don't want that shiat the entire flight.


I've seen it before. However I apologize if I happen to go with the airlines that have had hundreds of thousands of calls made of thousands of flights with people stuck in metal tubes for 8+ hours. It just seems a bit more vetted.
 
2013-06-21 12:57:30 PM

majestic: I don't want that shiat the entire flight.


I don't want anyone at all on a flight with me. I'm sure we'll both get over our issues.
 
2013-06-21 01:07:08 PM

majestic: The problem with enabling cellphones is the farkwit yammering about his/her uber important shiat for the entire flight.


If only the FCC could require cellular carriers to drop calls and temporarily (12h?) disable those phones that hop too rapidly from tower to tower as they would in flight. Make an exception to 911 calls, obviously, and perhaps for phones on private aircraft (not sure how to implement that... but if we make the limit 400mph, you'd rule out the general aviation crowd who aren't a problem to begin with.

Having to find a payphone at the airport after a flight rather than being able to use your cellphone would be educational.
 
2013-06-21 01:20:22 PM
Meanwhile, these are the scissors I take with me when I fly. Carry them on. Every time.

Admittedly, I am taking them in a carry-on packed mostly with yarn and hooks, so it's not like I'm just carrying them around because fark you or something. But this little bit from the TSA website explains: "Knitting needles are permitted in your carry-on baggage or checked baggage. Items needed are permitted in your carry-on baggage or checked baggage with the exception of circular thread cutters or any cutter with a blade contained inside which cannot go through the checkpoint and must go in your checked baggage."

So ... there's that. Knitting needles? Great. Need scissors to go with them? Great. Toenail clippers? FARK YOU TERRORIST.
 
2013-06-21 01:53:40 PM

The Bananadragon: Meanwhile, these are the scissors I take with me when I fly. Carry them on. Every time.

Admittedly, I am taking them in a carry-on packed mostly with yarn and hooks, so it's not like I'm just carrying them around because fark you or something. But this little bit from the TSA website explains: "Knitting needles are permitted in your carry-on baggage or checked baggage. Items needed are permitted in your carry-on baggage or checked baggage with the exception of circular thread cutters or any cutter with a blade contained inside which cannot go through the checkpoint and must go in your checked baggage."

So ... there's that. Knitting needles? Great. Need scissors to go with them? Great. Toenail clippers? FARK YOU TERRORIST.


I have no great love for the TSA but nail clippers have never been prohibited. I suppose if you have some with a blade attached they might block it but standard clippers are not prohibited (and never were).
 
2013-06-21 02:34:32 PM
so its pretty clear i will lose this thread no matter what...so one more post.the majority of the objects listed...babies, diaper bags, purses...those at least have some sort of give as oppose to an ipad casing. something like a guitar should be stowed and that falls on the attendants for not forcing the issue. with a hard cover book, it comes at you spine first, itll hurt...but from any other angle to book at least stands a chance to open up and decelerate. plus, you wearing a seat belt mid flight when the light comes on is not just for your safety but for everyone else in the plane should you become that projectile dealy ive been talking about. any one who would like to prove me wrong video tape yourself chucking these objects at the same starting speed towards a watermelon or something and let me know the results. or just get adam and jaime on board with this subject.its easier to tell a flying mass of idiots that their device may interfere with the aircraft rather than if one were to lose their grip it can hurt someone...because im sure all of us have a kung fu grip when it comes to an unexpected acceleration/deceleration, much like this test regarding holding a baby, even at minor speeds:http://blogs.babycenter.com/mom_stories/10022012test-plane-cr ash-shows-holding-baby-in-lap-isnt-safe/ipads are solid, and you stand to lose grip of it more at taxi (sudden braking) or takeoff and landing (accel/decel) rather than straight and level cruise thats my point. oh yeah...and if you are one of those people that form the half circle around the boarding gate when preboarding is announced and you are in the last group to board...i despise you with a passion. that plane is not the last chopper out of nam, so wait your damn turn and go eat your cinnabon in the corner until the call your turn 20 minutes later.
 
2013-06-21 02:40:45 PM

Outlaw2097: so its pretty clear i will lose this thread no matter what...so one more post.the majority of the objects listed...babies, diaper bags, purses...those at least have some sort of give as oppose to an ipad casing. something like a guitar should be stowed and that falls on the attendants for not forcing the issue. with a hard cover book, it comes at you spine first, itll hurt...but from any other angle to book at least stands a chance to open up and decelerate. plus, you wearing a seat belt mid flight when the light comes on is not just for your safety but for everyone else in the plane should you become that projectile dealy ive been talking about. any one who would like to prove me wrong video tape yourself chucking these objects at the same starting speed towards a watermelon or something and let me know the results. or just get adam and jaime on board with this subject.its easier to tell a flying mass of idiots that their device may interfere with the aircraft rather than if one were to lose their grip it can hurt someone...because im sure all of us have a kung fu grip when it comes to an unexpected acceleration/deceleration, much like this test regarding holding a baby, even at minor speeds:http://blogs.babycenter.com/mom_stories/10022012test-plane-cr ash-shows-holding-baby-in-lap-isnt-safe/ipads are solid, and you stand to lose grip of it more at taxi (sudden braking) or takeoff and landing (accel/decel) rather than straight and level cruise thats my point. oh yeah...and if you are one of those people that form the half circle around the boarding gate when preboarding is announced and you are in the last group to board...i despise you with a passion. that plane is not the last chopper out of nam, so wait your damn turn and go eat your cinnabon in the corner until the call your turn 20 minutes later.


See, the problem with people who defend the electronics ban is that they change their arguments all the farking time. First, it's the signal interference. Oh, we've proven that wrong? Well, it was always about the flying objects. What about books? Oh, it's because we need your full attention during take off to hear the world's worst safety briefing.

Bottom line, I'll take my chances.
 
2013-06-21 02:53:30 PM
*apologies for the piss poor format of that last response. still waiting for a fark app.
 
2013-06-21 03:03:41 PM

Outlaw2097: so its pretty clear i will lose this thread no matter what...so one more post.the majority of the objects listed...babies, diaper bags, purses...those at least have some sort of give as oppose to an ipad casing. something like a guitar should be stowed and that falls on the attendants for not forcing the issue. with a hard cover book, it comes at you spine first, itll hurt...but from any other angle to book at least stands a chance to open up and decelerate. plus, you wearing a seat belt mid flight when the light comes on is not just for your safety but for everyone else in the plane should you become that projectile dealy ive been talking about. any one who would like to prove me wrong video tape yourself chucking these objects at the same starting speed towards a watermelon or something and let me know the results. or just get adam and jaime on board with this subject.its easier to tell a flying mass of idiots that their device may interfere with the aircraft rather than if one were to lose their grip it can hurt someone...because im sure all of us have a kung fu grip when it comes to an unexpected acceleration/deceleration, much like this test regarding holding a baby, even at minor speeds:http://blogs.babycenter.com/mom_stories/10022012test-plane-cr ash-shows-holding-baby-in-lap-isnt-safe/ipads are solid, and you stand to lose grip of it more at taxi (sudden braking) or takeoff and landing (accel/decel) rather than straight and level cruise thats my point. oh yeah...and if you are one of those people that form the half circle around the boarding gate when preboarding is announced and you are in the last group to board...i despise you with a passion. that plane is not the last chopper out of nam, so wait your damn turn and go eat your cinnabon in the corner until the call your turn 20 minutes later.


You lost it by participating. Now you're just giving out headaches because of you're shiatty formatting and reasoning. Give us a respite already.
 
2013-06-21 03:05:46 PM

stewbert: See, the problem with people who defend the electronics ban is that they change their arguments all the farking time. First, it's the signal interference. Oh, we've proven that wrong? Well, it was always about the flying objects. What about books? Oh, it's because we need your full attention during take off to hear the world's worst safety briefing.


You eventually get down to the real reason: "I think I'll be annoyed." Now being annoyed by other people sucks, but it's no reason to start banning stuff.
 
2013-06-21 03:18:47 PM

Noticeably F.A.T.: stewbert: See, the problem with people who defend the electronics ban is that they change their arguments all the farking time. First, it's the signal interference. Oh, we've proven that wrong? Well, it was always about the flying objects. What about books? Oh, it's because we need your full attention during take off to hear the world's worst safety briefing.

You eventually get down to the real reason: "I think I'll be annoyed." Now being annoyed by other people sucks, but it's no reason to start banning stuff.


WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA, COMMIE?

/troll fu is weak
 
2013-06-21 04:03:13 PM

Outlaw2097: .and if you are one of those people that form the half circle around the boarding gate when preboarding is announced and you are in the last group to board...i despise you with a passion.


Fine!  I'll give you that even if you had to change the subject.  I agree with you, Group 4 people standing around and blocking the Sky Priority entrance drives me nuts.

As for your turbulence issue, I've easily flown over 100 segments in the last 12 months.  Not ONCE did we encounter turbulence so bad that it moved my iPod from my lap or the tray table.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but the chances of that happening are the same as the chances of an electrical device interfering with the plane's navigation under 10 000 feet.
 
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