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2013-06-21 03:48:51 PM  
2 votes:
How about y'all just leave your f^%$cking dogs at home like we used to do 25 years ago. Dont bring them to work, dont bring them to go shopping, dont let them sit on your lap in the car. In fact dont put em in the farking car at all unless they're going to the vet. Dont bring them on a god damn plane, dont bring them to a restaurant, dont bring them to a bar. Take them for a walk, thats &%^$ all! People and their dogs. Theyre %^$# dogs not kids.

/Flame away dog lovers. BTW, I've had dogs and will have another one soon. I just dont take it every god damn place. How farking annoying.
2013-06-21 02:38:17 PM  
2 votes:

meat0918: Ow! That was my feelings!: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Everything about that story sounds like complete bullshiat.  The entire design of the park is insane, the lack of training for the personnel, the business plan of the restaurant, and the mysterious "powers that be" telling them they have to ban certain dogs.  Really?  Why are you allowing your insurance company to dictate your business decisions?  I think companies like to make "insurance" be the fall guy for any unpopular decision they make for their business.

...and no water. You set up a dog park and there is not water. Brilliant!

Wait until the parvo outbreak.


If only there was a shot for that. Don't think I've never been to a dog park that didn't have water, it's a necessary feature.
2013-06-21 02:24:23 PM  
2 votes:
Everything about that story sounds like complete bullshiat.  The entire design of the park is insane, the lack of training for the personnel, the business plan of the restaurant, and the mysterious "powers that be" telling them they have to ban certain dogs.  Really?  Why are you allowing your insurance company to dictate your business decisions?  I think companies like to make "insurance" be the fall guy for any unpopular decision they make for their business.
2013-06-21 01:10:54 PM  
2 votes:
There are database bars now?  How lame.
2013-06-22 11:33:45 AM  
1 votes:

fozzie in the city: strathmeyer: fozzie in the city: I'm an embalmer, I've seen four toddlers on my table ripped to shreds after a pit bull got their mouth on them. Truly horrific, horror movie stuff. All four of them were killed by by neighborhood dogs not their own family's. I live in a nice part of Chicago and the parks and sidewalks are full of these farking things. When walking my son in his stroller I don't let them get within five feet if I can help it. If they do I get between them with one hand on the knife in my pocket. Don't trust any of them, and I don't enter any home with pit bulls in it with my son.

Wow I hope you've left a note so your loved ones know what's happened when you're found stabbed to death. You're going to find people are as protective of their pets as you are of your son.

That's what my Glock 30 is for silly. Some asswipe can't control their shiaty dog and it bites my kid, it dies in the spot. Humans>animals


Are you retired LE, or are you just carrying illegally in Chicago?
2013-06-22 05:41:35 AM  
1 votes:

Canned Tamales: BarkingUnicorn: Canned Tamales: I've wanted to see something like this for years, it could be a really fun place, but they seem to be having problems with planning.

I wonder how much space they set aside...you'd need a bit of room to do it right.  And the breed problem can be solved the way it is at actual dog parks....you have a big dog side and a small dog side.  If your small dog is a little too rowdy for the tiny chihuahua's and old lady dogs, you put it on the big dog side.  I have a 15 lb mini-pin/chihuahua mix who is very active and loves to play with other dogs, I always let him run with the big dogs, and there's never been a problem.  Also, the big dogs especially, have to be well-trained enough to obey their owners instead of fighting and attacking.

Really, instead of a bar with a small dog run, it needs to be a regular sized dog park with an attached beer garden, maybe some park benches so you can enjoy a beer or cold cocktail while you run your dog.

Google the Mutts Cantina Web site to see how many keystrokes you wasted.

Fair enough...so then it's just the 1 entrance issue and stupid rules?  Sounded like more of an issue.


The biggest issue is that dogs are not under the control of their owners even to the limited degree that they are in a public off-leash dog park! From the bar's Web site:

"Full-time attendants are on duty to provide snacks and water and pick up after your pet while you grab a latté, beer or bite to eat at our open-air patio and beer garden. "

Owners and dogs are separated by a six-foot fence and IDK how much distance.  Owners are schmoozing with each other, Web surfing over the free WiFi, watching TV... everything except minding their goddam dogs!

If you're running a doggy daycare, you can take the time to put a dog through its paces to see if it's socialized and responsive to "masters" other than its owner. If not, you can refuse to enter into a long-term contract to provide care. The amount of revenue involved makes the due diligence affordable.

In Mutts Cantina's setting, you have random people plopping down five bucks for the day and saying, "Take care of my mutt while I go get drunk."  The attendants are supposed to handle all dogs without knowing whether they're Cuddles or Cujo.   Again, I wonder what kind of person would take such a job.

This place should not be permitted to operate this way.  I don't think it will last a year without being sued into the ground by a customer or employee.
2013-06-21 08:49:28 PM  
1 votes:

jaytkay: JesseL: jaytkay: Yes. Gathering data is how people learn things.

Assuming it's actually data they're gathering, I agree.

In the case of the CDC dog bite stats though, they gathered a pile of anecdotes and confirmation bias.

And by "anecdotes and confirmation bias" you mean "results I do not like".


No, he means that trolling newspapers for articles is not any kind of way(except a stupid, shiatty and very biased way) to collect meaningful data.  In fact, a moments thought would show that you are more likely to find very skewed info that way, since the media only publishes what gets sales, and the "vicious pit bull" narrative sells quite well.  All such a method will do is hide all of the other attacks by non-pit bull dogs.  That's not even counting the mis-identifications.

jaytkay.....troll, or stupid piece of dung?  You make the call!

/I vote both.
2013-06-21 05:41:54 PM  
1 votes:
Not every pit bull becomes a problem, but without exception the owners are scum bags.

"Those huge muscles bulging under my dogs super thick and loose skin? Don't worry if my dog snaps or becomes aggressive, nobody will be able to stop it. Be cool, you just don't understand my cuddly little angel"

No but I understand how fukin stupid you are.

I've seen three Pits snap, it's a very, very dangerous situation.
2013-06-21 05:31:40 PM  
1 votes:
The owners of this place obviously don't frequent dog parks. No water? In Dallas heat? Huge oversight. No separate dog entrance to the dog park? Thats just inviting disaster.As for fights, just blast one of those high pitched noise things or hose down the dogs every time they fight. They will stop pretty quickly after that.
2013-06-21 04:29:57 PM  
1 votes:

ronaprhys: the definition of dog starts with something that's at least 55lbs, things below that only count as fancy rats.


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You MUST be high. Herding dogs are quite often in the 35-65 lb. range. And those are "REAL" dogs. Hell, those are WORKING dogs.
2013-06-21 04:11:22 PM  
1 votes:

jaytkay: JesseL: jaytkay: Yes. Gathering data is how people learn things.

Assuming it's actually data they're gathering, I agree.

In the case of the CDC dog bite stats though, they gathered a pile of anecdotes and confirmation bias.

And by "anecdotes and confirmation bias" you mean "results I do not like".


The very nature of what they are trying to measure and how they are measuring it leads to these accusations of errors.

Why use media reports, when we know the media is unreliable when it comes to sensational news?

Remember that poor kid freaking out that people thought he was the Boston Bomber?

Or any of the other daily occurrences where the media has to post a retraction or correction?
2013-06-21 04:10:02 PM  
1 votes:

jaytkay: JesseL: jaytkay: Yes. Gathering data is how people learn things.

Assuming it's actually data they're gathering, I agree.

In the case of the CDC dog bite stats though, they gathered a pile of anecdotes and confirmation bias.

And by "anecdotes and confirmation bias" you mean "results I do not like".


Do you have to wear a helmet at all times?

I mean they built their tables out of garbage.

Agree or disagree with the results, the methods were beyond broken. If you can't see that, you're the one who's being blinded by bias.

Show me some numbers that aren't made of bullshiat and I'll be happy to see where they lead.
2013-06-21 04:05:22 PM  
1 votes:

JesseL: jaytkay: Yes. Gathering data is how people learn things.

Assuming it's actually data they're gathering, I agree.

In the case of the CDC dog bite stats though, they gathered a pile of anecdotes and confirmation bias.


And by "anecdotes and confirmation bias" you mean "results I do not like".
2013-06-21 03:45:45 PM  
1 votes:
Why would anyone object to such a sweet, cuddly thing?

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2013-06-21 03:34:29 PM  
1 votes:

ronaprhys: daisygrrl: Why do pit bull owners always act so surprised when their dogs are banned? Ffs, they're banned in all kinds of places and anyone with liability insurance is not going to allow random pit bulls. If I had one and I wanted to take it somewhere like this, I'd call ahead and make sure it's cool.

That being said, the bar owners don't appear to have thought things through on the dog side. No water? One entrance? One attendant who may not know how to break up a fight? And seriously, one attendant won't be breaking up a fight between several dogs. Also, dog people are insane. You'll never please all of them and you'll go crazy trying.

Finally, I don't take my dog to dog parks but if I did, I'd leave at the first sight of a pit bull. Too much risk for a dog that's known to be bred for dog aggression.

Labs bite more people than pit bulls.


Where did I say I was worried about human aggression in pit bulls? I think bringing a dog aggressive breed of dog to a space full of other dogs is stupid because the dogs are more likely to get hurt.
2013-06-21 03:27:02 PM  
1 votes:
I absolutely loved my son's dog (Bob Doggs) who was a rescue pit.  Friendly, happy, slobbery dog.  However, after he mauled my older ridgeback mix to death in a bloodbath in my bedroom (on my birthday) I changed my ideas about pit bulls. Something just... snapped.
2013-06-21 03:26:38 PM  
1 votes:

yet_another_wumpus: I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that those who insist that "every dog has a right to be served" are the least likely to actually correctly train their dogs.  Dogs specifically bred to be aggressive and attack other dogs are obviously more entitled to be leash-free.  Maybe they can re-decorate and have a board listing the odds on various dogs and have a fancy pit in the middle.


I want my dog to go unquestioned, so I insist that every dog go unquestioned.

It's a chick thing.  Go look at the bar's Facebook comments and you'll find only chicks taking this position.  The few guys saying, "Yeah, but..." are shouted down.  It's like a Fark rape thread.
2013-06-21 03:21:40 PM  
1 votes:

ronaprhys: Ow! That was my feelings!: And Labs and Lab mixes are by far the most popular breed in the US and have been for many years. Meaning the fact they bite more people by raw numbers a duh moment. For an accurate picture of which breeds bite more, you would have to take the number of bites per population divided by the number of dogs, not the total number of bites.

That's because labs and lab mixes are, by far, superior dogs.  Secondly, since the definition of dog starts with something that's at least 55lbs, things below that only count as fancy rats.


Glad to see someone gets it.
2013-06-21 03:18:18 PM  
1 votes:

ronaprhys: daisygrrl: Why do pit bull owners always act so surprised when their dogs are banned? Ffs, they're banned in all kinds of places and anyone with liability insurance is not going to allow random pit bulls. If I had one and I wanted to take it somewhere like this, I'd call ahead and make sure it's cool.

That being said, the bar owners don't appear to have thought things through on the dog side. No water? One entrance? One attendant who may not know how to break up a fight? And seriously, one attendant won't be breaking up a fight between several dogs. Also, dog people are insane. You'll never please all of them and you'll go crazy trying.

Finally, I don't take my dog to dog parks but if I did, I'd leave at the first sight of a pit bull. Too much risk for a dog that's known to be bred for dog aggression.

Labs bite more people than pit bulls.


And Labs and Lab mixes are by far the most popular breed in the US and have been for many years. Meaning the fact they bite more people by raw numbers a duh moment. For an accurate picture of which breeds bite more, you would have to take the number of bites per population divided by the number of dogs, not the total number of bites.
2013-06-21 03:11:53 PM  
1 votes:

Chaghatai: Makes sense, some breeds are genetically more aggressive and all other things equal can be more problematic. The chows for example are very territorial. It's true that pit-bulls are naturally people-friendly and have to be abused or deliberately conditioned to become dangerous, but they are naturally very dog-aggressive and could cause problems with the dogs that are otherwise allowed there.



This! Finally! someone who gets it.  It's not the dog people, it's the owner.  In addition to being agressive Pits are unbelievably loyal, which unfortunately is exactly why they make good fighters.  A pit will let itself get killed before it lets something endanger someone it is guarding.  That in addition to their reputation is why thugs like them for protection.

Pits don't kill, thugs and stupid people with pits kill.    Pits they haven't trained (or trained to fight).
2013-06-21 03:05:56 PM  
1 votes:
Why do pit bull owners always act so surprised when their dogs are banned? Ffs, they're banned in all kinds of places and anyone with liability insurance is not going to allow random pit bulls. If I had one and I wanted to take it somewhere like this, I'd call ahead and make sure it's cool.

That being said, the bar owners don't appear to have thought things through on the dog side. No water? One entrance? One attendant who may not know how to break up a fight? And seriously, one attendant won't be breaking up a fight between several dogs. Also, dog people are insane. You'll never please all of them and you'll go crazy trying.

Finally, I don't take my dog to dog parks but if I did, I'd leave at the first sight of a pit bull. Too much risk for a dog that's known to be bred for dog aggression.
2013-06-21 02:57:09 PM  
1 votes:
We had a Doberman when I was a kid and it was the nicest, most gentle dog I've ever met. So based on my anecdote, there is no evidence that supports banning them.
2013-06-21 02:56:29 PM  
1 votes:

JesseL: "
After Ybarra posted a photo of the policy on her Facebook page, Mutts' page was deluged with complaints from irate pet owners. Mutts' Weeners was that the rules were prescribed by their insurance company.
But by Thursday afternoon, Mutts co-owner Kyle Noonan said they had relaxed the policy and that only pit bulls would be banned. "We've been working with our insurance company today, and we have gotten them to lighten the restrictions," Noonan said. "The only restricted breed in the dog park will be pit bulls."
 "

Do insurance companies really do the actuarial analysis to back up restrictions like this, or are they just winging it sometimes?


Why would they care about the actuaries?  They are better off reading the headlines like everybody else and understanding that they will be on the hook for veterinarian bills when a german sheperd fends off a poodle attack but will have to cough up the big bucks when pit bull follows its genetic nature and attacks and eats the nearest dog.

Insurance is all about passing the buck (typically getting the government to pay, otherwise denying any payment they can).  Actuaries are window dressing.
2013-06-21 02:41:50 PM  
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Satan's Bunny Slippers: OK, so I'm stupid.  WTF is a "DB Bar"?

Judging from the fact that the place appears to be trying to appeal to a combination of foodies, beer snobs, and those who act like their pets are people, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess "douchebag bar".

Foodies?  It's a sports bar menu:  burritos, burgers, hot dogs, and fries.

http://muttscantina.com/mutt_menu.html


You missed the part where everything is "local" "gourmet" "grass-fed", etc. It's a yuppie/hipster version of a sports bar with dog fancying thrown in.
2013-06-21 02:33:53 PM  
1 votes:
Makes sense, some breeds are genetically more aggressive and all other things equal can be more problematic. The chows for example are very territorial. It's true that pit-bulls are naturally people-friendly and have to be abused or deliberately conditioned to become dangerous, but they are naturally very dog-aggressive and could cause problems with the dogs that are otherwise allowed there.
2013-06-21 02:28:44 PM  
1 votes:

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Everything about that story sounds like complete bullshiat.  The entire design of the park is insane, the lack of training for the personnel, the business plan of the restaurant, and the mysterious "powers that be" telling them they have to ban certain dogs.  Really?  Why are you allowing your insurance company to dictate your business decisions?  I think companies like to make "insurance" be the fall guy for any unpopular decision they make for their business.


...and no water. You set up a dog park and there is not water. Brilliant!
2013-06-21 02:20:47 PM  
1 votes:
I like to file these stories away for anytime someone comments on how silly/sad so-called "cat people" are.

Dogs: When they're not waking you up at 3 AM, sh*tting in your yard, slobbering all over your clean pants, or eating your kids' faces off, they're causing entire communities to turn against one another.
2013-06-21 02:20:18 PM  
1 votes:

Satan's Bunny Slippers: OK, so I'm stupid.  WTF is a "DB Bar"?


Judging from the fact that the place appears to be trying to appeal to a combination of foodies, beer snobs, and those who act like their pets are people, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess "douchebag bar".
2013-06-21 02:15:20 PM  
1 votes:
OK, so I'm stupid.  WTF is a "DB Bar"?
2013-06-21 02:08:11 PM  
1 votes:
"The only restricted breed in the dog park will be pit bulls."

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