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2013-06-21 01:10:54 PM  
There are database bars now?  How lame.
 
2013-06-21 01:13:29 PM  
Staff's duties include picking up dogshiat, pouring water for mutts, and breaking up dog fights.  What kind of person applies for such a job?
 
2013-06-21 01:18:12 PM  
"We'll take your "Mutt Shot" to verify your identity, keep you and your dog safe and check vet records to keep all of our Mutts Members healthy. "

http://www.muttscantina.com/dog_park.html

It's such a crazy business plan, it just might work!

I wonder if you're expected to tip your dog-sitter.
 
2013-06-21 01:59:55 PM  
FTFA: lots of people b*tching about free sh*t that's part of a retail experience.  "Waaah, they were giving out water by the pitcher but it JUST ISN'T FAST ENOUGH FOR REX!"

Best part: We talked to our insurance company and they relaxed the rules so that everyone can bring their dog... except pit bulls.  Jesus have you seen those things?
 
2013-06-21 02:08:11 PM  
"The only restricted breed in the dog park will be pit bulls."

img.fark.net

/Oblig
 
2013-06-21 02:15:20 PM  
OK, so I'm stupid.  WTF is a "DB Bar"?
 
2013-06-21 02:17:15 PM  
white people problems
 
2013-06-21 02:17:49 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: "The only restricted breed in the dog park will be pit bulls."

[img.fark.net image 451x700]

/Oblig


I nice side effect is that it will keep pit bull owners away.
 
2013-06-21 02:19:16 PM  
"
After Ybarra posted a photo of the policy on her Facebook page, Mutts' page was deluged with complaints from irate pet owners. Mutts' Weeners was that the rules were prescribed by their insurance company.
But by Thursday afternoon, Mutts co-owner Kyle Noonan said they had relaxed the policy and that only pit bulls would be banned. "We've been working with our insurance company today, and we have gotten them to lighten the restrictions," Noonan said. "The only restricted breed in the dog park will be pit bulls."
 "

Do insurance companies really do the actuarial analysis to back up restrictions like this, or are they just winging it sometimes?
 
2013-06-21 02:20:18 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: OK, so I'm stupid.  WTF is a "DB Bar"?


Judging from the fact that the place appears to be trying to appeal to a combination of foodies, beer snobs, and those who act like their pets are people, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess "douchebag bar".
 
2013-06-21 02:20:47 PM  
I like to file these stories away for anytime someone comments on how silly/sad so-called "cat people" are.

Dogs: When they're not waking you up at 3 AM, sh*tting in your yard, slobbering all over your clean pants, or eating your kids' faces off, they're causing entire communities to turn against one another.
 
2013-06-21 02:21:09 PM  
The comments section there is a pretty cracking good read.

Lots of derpity-do.
 
2013-06-21 02:24:23 PM  
Everything about that story sounds like complete bullshiat.  The entire design of the park is insane, the lack of training for the personnel, the business plan of the restaurant, and the mysterious "powers that be" telling them they have to ban certain dogs.  Really?  Why are you allowing your insurance company to dictate your business decisions?  I think companies like to make "insurance" be the fall guy for any unpopular decision they make for their business.
 
2013-06-21 02:25:40 PM  
Snowflakes, yapflakes, whatever... people's "right" to impose their presence on others is not what I would call a pressing concern. I guess that makes me a bad Entitlemerican.
 
2013-06-21 02:27:06 PM  
I'm glad there's a bar for people without personalities to go to.
 
2013-06-21 02:27:29 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: The comments section there is a pretty cracking good read.

Lots of derpity-do.


looks mostly like it is one dude replaying to everyone, but agreed, bunch o dumb in the comments.
 
2013-06-21 02:27:34 PM  
I can see not allowing any golden retrievers because the have that better than thou attitude
 
2013-06-21 02:28:43 PM  
Most pit bulls and pit bull mixes are pretty nice dogs.  They just tend to attract lousy owners.  The cocker spaniel mix we have is an alpha dog and is a complete PITA to bring to a dog park because he wants to boss the other dogs around.  If there is another alpha dog then they stare at each other and growl and spit at each other while all of the soccer moms complain that they are fighting and the world is coming to an end.  The other cocker spaniel is gay and likes to hump the other boy dogs.

I've never heard of an attendant at a dog park.
 
2013-06-21 02:28:44 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Everything about that story sounds like complete bullshiat.  The entire design of the park is insane, the lack of training for the personnel, the business plan of the restaurant, and the mysterious "powers that be" telling them they have to ban certain dogs.  Really?  Why are you allowing your insurance company to dictate your business decisions?  I think companies like to make "insurance" be the fall guy for any unpopular decision they make for their business.


...and no water. You set up a dog park and there is not water. Brilliant!
 
2013-06-21 02:29:34 PM  

sigdiamond2000: I like to file these stories away for anytime someone comments on how silly/sad so-called "cat people" are.

Dogs: When they're not waking you up at 3 AM, sh*tting in your yard, slobbering all over your clean pants, or eating your kids' faces off, they're causing entire communities to turn against one another.



I have a dog  and a cat, so neener-neener ;)
 
2013-06-21 02:30:10 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: OK, so I'm stupid.  WTF is a "DB Bar"?


It's a Bondage and Discipline bar for people with dislexia.
 
2013-06-21 02:32:01 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Everything about that story sounds like complete bullshiat.  The entire design of the park is insane, the lack of training for the personnel, the business plan of the restaurant, and the mysterious "powers that be" telling them they have to ban certain dogs.  Really?  Why are you allowing your insurance company to dictate your business decisions?  I think companies like to make "insurance" be the fall guy for any unpopular decision they make for their business.

...and no water. You set up a dog park and there is not water. Brilliant!


Wait until the parvo outbreak.
 
2013-06-21 02:33:53 PM  
Makes sense, some breeds are genetically more aggressive and all other things equal can be more problematic. The chows for example are very territorial. It's true that pit-bulls are naturally people-friendly and have to be abused or deliberately conditioned to become dangerous, but they are naturally very dog-aggressive and could cause problems with the dogs that are otherwise allowed there.
 
2013-06-21 02:35:00 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Satan's Bunny Slippers: OK, so I'm stupid.  WTF is a "DB Bar"?

Judging from the fact that the place appears to be trying to appeal to a combination of foodies, beer snobs, and those who act like their pets are people, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess "douchebag bar".


Foodies?  It's a sports bar menu:  burritos, burgers, hot dogs, and fries.

http://muttscantina.com/mutt_menu.html
 
2013-06-21 02:35:32 PM  

factoryconnection: FTFA: lots of people b*tching about free sh*t that's part of a retail experience.  "Waaah, they were giving out water by the pitcher but it JUST ISN'T FAST ENOUGH FOR REX!"

Best part: We talked to our insurance company and they relaxed the rules so that everyone can bring their dog... except pit bulls.  Jesus have you seen those things?


Further on in TFA, it says that pits are allowed, just not off-leash.
 
2013-06-21 02:36:21 PM  
Dog Banning bar?
Dumb Blond bar?
Deaf Belgian bar?
Deal Breaker bar?
 
2013-06-21 02:36:37 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Everything about that story sounds like complete bullshiat.  The entire design of the park is insane, the lack of training for the personnel, the business plan of the restaurant, and the mysterious "powers that be" telling them they have to ban certain dogs.  Really?  Why are you allowing your insurance company to dictate your business decisions?  I think companies like to make "insurance" be the fall guy for any unpopular decision they make for their business.


Damn straight.

Once we let an old man who came into the store use our bathroom. After the disgusting cleanup he made necessary, "Sorry, our insurance company won't let anyone use our restroom. We store chemicals back there, you know."
 
2013-06-21 02:37:53 PM  
Dog Breed bar?
 
2013-06-21 02:38:17 PM  

meat0918: Ow! That was my feelings!: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Everything about that story sounds like complete bullshiat.  The entire design of the park is insane, the lack of training for the personnel, the business plan of the restaurant, and the mysterious "powers that be" telling them they have to ban certain dogs.  Really?  Why are you allowing your insurance company to dictate your business decisions?  I think companies like to make "insurance" be the fall guy for any unpopular decision they make for their business.

...and no water. You set up a dog park and there is not water. Brilliant!

Wait until the parvo outbreak.


If only there was a shot for that. Don't think I've never been to a dog park that didn't have water, it's a necessary feature.
 
2013-06-21 02:39:47 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Everything about that story sounds like complete bullshiat.  The entire design of the park is insane, the lack of training for the personnel, the business plan of the restaurant, and the mysterious "powers that be" telling them they have to ban certain dogs.  Really?  Why are you allowing your insurance company to dictate your business decisions?  I think companies like to make "insurance" be the fall guy for any unpopular decision they make for their business.

...and no water. You set up a dog park and there is not water. Brilliant!


Job creation.  People are hired to pour water for the dogs, pick up their shiat, and break up fights.  I keep telling everyone, automation is bad for employment.
 
2013-06-21 02:40:12 PM  

jaytkay: Dog Banning bar?
Dumb Blond bar?
Deaf Belgian bar?
Deal Breaker bar?


Dipshiat Buggerers
Dingleberry Burritos
Dangling Ballsacks
Deranged Buttrapers
 
2013-06-21 02:41:22 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Satan's Bunny Slippers: OK, so I'm stupid.  WTF is a "DB Bar"?

Judging from the fact that the place appears to be trying to appeal to a combination of foodies, beer snobs, and those who act like their pets are people, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess "douchebag bar".


darth_badger: Satan's Bunny Slippers: OK, so I'm stupid.  WTF is a "DB Bar"?

It's a Bondage and Discipline bar for people with dislexia.


Heh.  Both of these make me glad that I have cats that hate to ever leave the house, let alone tolerate others.
 
2013-06-21 02:41:50 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Satan's Bunny Slippers: OK, so I'm stupid.  WTF is a "DB Bar"?

Judging from the fact that the place appears to be trying to appeal to a combination of foodies, beer snobs, and those who act like their pets are people, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess "douchebag bar".

Foodies?  It's a sports bar menu:  burritos, burgers, hot dogs, and fries.

http://muttscantina.com/mutt_menu.html


You missed the part where everything is "local" "gourmet" "grass-fed", etc. It's a yuppie/hipster version of a sports bar with dog fancying thrown in.
 
2013-06-21 02:42:19 PM  
It sounds like it is Katy Trail in uptown. Has food, drinks and allows dogs and they bring them water. Am I missing something?
 
2013-06-21 02:42:42 PM  

digitalrain: factoryconnection: FTFA: lots of people b*tching about free sh*t that's part of a retail experience.  "Waaah, they were giving out water by the pitcher but it JUST ISN'T FAST ENOUGH FOR REX!"

Best part: We talked to our insurance company and they relaxed the rules so that everyone can bring their dog... except pit bulls.  Jesus have you seen those things?

Further on in TFA, it says that pits are allowed, just not off-leash.


On the bar's Facebook page is a a GEICO Liability Claims Rep who  says "Wow even worse...way to discriminate against such wonderful dogs"
 
2013-06-21 02:45:03 PM  
semi-related, but am I the only one who gets all ragey when people use the term "fur-baby" when referring to their pet?
 
2013-06-21 02:48:30 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: BarkingUnicorn: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Satan's Bunny Slippers: OK, so I'm stupid.  WTF is a "DB Bar"?

Judging from the fact that the place appears to be trying to appeal to a combination of foodies, beer snobs, and those who act like their pets are people, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess "douchebag bar".

Foodies?  It's a sports bar menu:  burritos, burgers, hot dogs, and fries.

http://muttscantina.com/mutt_menu.html

You missed the part where everything is "local" "gourmet" "grass-fed", etc. It's a yuppie/hipster version of a sports bar with dog fancying thrown in.


It's a place where you can enjoy the feeling of being superior as you watch someone else pick up your dog's shiat..  That's it's Unique Value Proposition.  The 1% buys yachts; this gives people the same  feeling for $5 and the cost of beer.
 
2013-06-21 02:49:18 PM  
douche bag bar for yuppie/hipsters

Figures it would be north Dallas.
 
2013-06-21 02:49:55 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: semi-related, but am I the only one who gets all ragey when people use the term "fur-baby" when referring to their pet?


No, it offends me, too.  That's my private special name for my ... nevermind.
 
2013-06-21 02:50:08 PM  
I went to Wiki to see why Shar Pei's were on the list. Not as friendly as they look.
 
2013-06-21 02:52:10 PM  

Buffalo77: douche bag bar for yuppie/hipsters

Figures it would be north Dallas.


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 02:52:57 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: semi-related, but am I the only one who gets all ragey when people use the term "fur-baby" when referring to their pet?


Ragey? Maybe. I just get a creepy-sick feeling, like I caught a glimpse backstage at a toddler beauty pageant.
 
2013-06-21 02:55:13 PM  
But can we change our dog's diaper on the bar?
 
2013-06-21 02:56:29 PM  

JesseL: "
After Ybarra posted a photo of the policy on her Facebook page, Mutts' page was deluged with complaints from irate pet owners. Mutts' Weeners was that the rules were prescribed by their insurance company.
But by Thursday afternoon, Mutts co-owner Kyle Noonan said they had relaxed the policy and that only pit bulls would be banned. "We've been working with our insurance company today, and we have gotten them to lighten the restrictions," Noonan said. "The only restricted breed in the dog park will be pit bulls."
 "

Do insurance companies really do the actuarial analysis to back up restrictions like this, or are they just winging it sometimes?


Why would they care about the actuaries?  They are better off reading the headlines like everybody else and understanding that they will be on the hook for veterinarian bills when a german sheperd fends off a poodle attack but will have to cough up the big bucks when pit bull follows its genetic nature and attacks and eats the nearest dog.

Insurance is all about passing the buck (typically getting the government to pay, otherwise denying any payment they can).  Actuaries are window dressing.
 
2013-06-21 02:57:09 PM  
We had a Doberman when I was a kid and it was the nicest, most gentle dog I've ever met. So based on my anecdote, there is no evidence that supports banning them.
 
2013-06-21 03:02:14 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: digitalrain: factoryconnection: FTFA: lots of people b*tching about free sh*t that's part of a retail experience.  "Waaah, they were giving out water by the pitcher but it JUST ISN'T FAST ENOUGH FOR REX!"

Best part: We talked to our insurance company and they relaxed the rules so that everyone can bring their dog... except pit bulls.  Jesus have you seen those things?

Further on in TFA, it says that pits are allowed, just not off-leash.

On the bar's Facebook page is a a GEICO Liability Claims Rep who  says "Wow even worse...way to discriminate against such wonderful dogs"


I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that those who insist that "every dog has a right to be served" are the least likely to actually correctly train their dogs.  Dogs specifically bred to be aggressive and attack other dogs are obviously more entitled to be leash-free.  Maybe they can re-decorate and have a board listing the odds on various dogs and have a fancy pit in the middle.
 
2013-06-21 03:02:59 PM  
I love dog owners.

It helps to identify the low life trash that should be avoided, in case they don't have any visible tattoos.
 
2013-06-21 03:03:24 PM  
Every one of those breeds listed has been shown/known to have more aggressive / fighting tendencies than others. I'm not saying each member of those breeds is a throat ripping psycho, but one has to admit that there have been more accounts of these types hurting / mauling people than others. Common sense and experience has shown them what to allow and what not to.
 
2013-06-21 03:04:59 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I'm glad there's a bar for people without personalities to go to.


There are actually millions of them.
 
2013-06-21 03:05:44 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: OK, so I'm stupid.  WTF is a "DB Bar"?


Dave & Busters
 
2013-06-21 03:05:56 PM  
Why do pit bull owners always act so surprised when their dogs are banned? Ffs, they're banned in all kinds of places and anyone with liability insurance is not going to allow random pit bulls. If I had one and I wanted to take it somewhere like this, I'd call ahead and make sure it's cool.

That being said, the bar owners don't appear to have thought things through on the dog side. No water? One entrance? One attendant who may not know how to break up a fight? And seriously, one attendant won't be breaking up a fight between several dogs. Also, dog people are insane. You'll never please all of them and you'll go crazy trying.

Finally, I don't take my dog to dog parks but if I did, I'd leave at the first sight of a pit bull. Too much risk for a dog that's known to be bred for dog aggression.
 
2013-06-21 03:07:47 PM  

TheAnvil: Rapmaster2000: I'm glad there's a bar for people without personalities to go to.

There are actually millions of them.


The personalities are in the bottles.
Pay the bartender and he/she gives you some.
Pay some more; more personality.
Pay enough: you're a character in an episode of COPS.
 
2013-06-21 03:09:08 PM  
I don't own a dog (if I wanted that level of responsibility, I'd have had kids). But I LIKE dogs. This sounds like the kind of joint where I would drink if I were visiting Dallas by myself.
 
2013-06-21 03:10:32 PM  

daisygrrl: Why do pit bull owners always act so surprised when their dogs are banned? Ffs, they're banned in all kinds of places and anyone with liability insurance is not going to allow random pit bulls. If I had one and I wanted to take it somewhere like this, I'd call ahead and make sure it's cool.

That being said, the bar owners don't appear to have thought things through on the dog side. No water? One entrance? One attendant who may not know how to break up a fight? And seriously, one attendant won't be breaking up a fight between several dogs. Also, dog people are insane. You'll never please all of them and you'll go crazy trying.

Finally, I don't take my dog to dog parks but if I did, I'd leave at the first sight of a pit bull. Too much risk for a dog that's known to be bred for dog aggression.


Labs bite more people than pit bulls.
 
2013-06-21 03:11:53 PM  

Chaghatai: Makes sense, some breeds are genetically more aggressive and all other things equal can be more problematic. The chows for example are very territorial. It's true that pit-bulls are naturally people-friendly and have to be abused or deliberately conditioned to become dangerous, but they are naturally very dog-aggressive and could cause problems with the dogs that are otherwise allowed there.



This! Finally! someone who gets it.  It's not the dog people, it's the owner.  In addition to being agressive Pits are unbelievably loyal, which unfortunately is exactly why they make good fighters.  A pit will let itself get killed before it lets something endanger someone it is guarding.  That in addition to their reputation is why thugs like them for protection.

Pits don't kill, thugs and stupid people with pits kill.    Pits they haven't trained (or trained to fight).
 
2013-06-21 03:12:25 PM  
I'll open up a dog rental place-----rent a dog to pick up chicks----return it when done---now you have a sympathetic story to tell her when you "lost" the dog to running away or death. Profit.
 
2013-06-21 03:13:35 PM  
"But if there is an altercation in the dog park, the staff needs to be trained on how to break up a fight set the betting line."

Fixed

Also...

I Like Shiny Things: I love dog owners.

It helps to identify the low life trash that should be avoided, in case they don't have any visible tattoos.


Dafuq?
 
2013-06-21 03:15:18 PM  
"The dog park does not allow the following breeds to enter: Chow, Presa Canario, Doberman, Malamute, husky, German shepherd, Rottweiler, pit bull or Shar Pei."

And no Irish, either...

img.fark.net

/born troublemakers
 
2013-06-21 03:15:51 PM  

ronaprhys: Labs bite more people than pit bulls.


I rolled my eyes at this so hard one of them fell behind my brain.
 
2013-06-21 03:17:46 PM  
I love cat owners.

It helps to identify the holier than thou snobbish people with the "my shiat doesn't stink" attitude.

/only half kidding, at best
 
2013-06-21 03:18:18 PM  

ronaprhys: daisygrrl: Why do pit bull owners always act so surprised when their dogs are banned? Ffs, they're banned in all kinds of places and anyone with liability insurance is not going to allow random pit bulls. If I had one and I wanted to take it somewhere like this, I'd call ahead and make sure it's cool.

That being said, the bar owners don't appear to have thought things through on the dog side. No water? One entrance? One attendant who may not know how to break up a fight? And seriously, one attendant won't be breaking up a fight between several dogs. Also, dog people are insane. You'll never please all of them and you'll go crazy trying.

Finally, I don't take my dog to dog parks but if I did, I'd leave at the first sight of a pit bull. Too much risk for a dog that's known to be bred for dog aggression.

Labs bite more people than pit bulls.


And Labs and Lab mixes are by far the most popular breed in the US and have been for many years. Meaning the fact they bite more people by raw numbers a duh moment. For an accurate picture of which breeds bite more, you would have to take the number of bites per population divided by the number of dogs, not the total number of bites.
 
2013-06-21 03:18:24 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: ronaprhys: Labs bite more people than pit bulls.

I rolled my eyes at this so hard one of them fell behind my brain.


Facts are facts and all.

I think chihuahuas are the worst, though.  natueral born killers.
 
2013-06-21 03:19:43 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: And Labs and Lab mixes are by far the most popular breed in the US and have been for many years. Meaning the fact they bite more people by raw numbers a duh moment. For an accurate picture of which breeds bite more, you would have to take the number of bites per population divided by the number of dogs, not the total number of bites.


That's because labs and lab mixes are, by far, superior dogs.  Secondly, since the definition of dog starts with something that's at least 55lbs, things below that only count as fancy rats.
 
2013-06-21 03:19:59 PM  

ronaprhys: daisygrrl: Why do pit bull owners always act so surprised when their dogs are banned? Ffs, they're banned in all kinds of places and anyone with liability insurance is not going to allow random pit bulls. If I had one and I wanted to take it somewhere like this, I'd call ahead and make sure it's cool.

That being said, the bar owners don't appear to have thought things through on the dog side. No water? One entrance? One attendant who may not know how to break up a fight? And seriously, one attendant won't be breaking up a fight between several dogs. Also, dog people are insane. You'll never please all of them and you'll go crazy trying.

Finally, I don't take my dog to dog parks but if I did, I'd leave at the first sight of a pit bull. Too much risk for a dog that's known to be bred for dog aggression.

Labs bite more people than pit bulls.


^That.

I haven't seen any legitimate statistical info that supports the notion that pit bulls are any more likely to be dangerous than any similar sized breed.

Even the CDC's data is just based on media accounts and data from the (batshiat crazy) Humane Society of the US.

And then there's the fact that 'breed' itself is a fuzzy concept without scientific definition or objective standards that can allow for any kind of reliable and accurate distinction.
 
2013-06-21 03:20:39 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: ronaprhys: Labs bite more people than pit bulls.

I rolled my eyes at this so hard one of them fell behind my brain.


Only reason is because they are so many more labs, considering they are the most popular family dog in the country and all that. Per capita? Fark that statistics and fancy shiat.
Also the difference is that they tend to not disfigure or kill people when they do.
 
2013-06-21 03:21:25 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: meat0918: Ow! That was my feelings!: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Everything about that story sounds like complete bullshiat.  The entire design of the park is insane, the lack of training for the personnel, the business plan of the restaurant, and the mysterious "powers that be" telling them they have to ban certain dogs.  Really?  Why are you allowing your insurance company to dictate your business decisions?  I think companies like to make "insurance" be the fall guy for any unpopular decision they make for their business.

...and no water. You set up a dog park and there is not water. Brilliant!

Wait until the parvo outbreak.

If only there was a shot for that. Don't think I've never been to a dog park that didn't have water, it's a necessary feature.


The type of people that will go to a dog park bar are also the type of people afraid of giving their dogs Autism.
 
2013-06-21 03:21:40 PM  

ronaprhys: Ow! That was my feelings!: And Labs and Lab mixes are by far the most popular breed in the US and have been for many years. Meaning the fact they bite more people by raw numbers a duh moment. For an accurate picture of which breeds bite more, you would have to take the number of bites per population divided by the number of dogs, not the total number of bites.

That's because labs and lab mixes are, by far, superior dogs.  Secondly, since the definition of dog starts with something that's at least 55lbs, things below that only count as fancy rats.


Glad to see someone gets it.
 
2013-06-21 03:22:25 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: ronaprhys: Labs bite more people than pit bulls.

I rolled my eyes at this so hard one of them fell behind my brain.


This might be true, actually. I think there's more labs and lab-mixes out there than pits and bully-mixes.

I wonder how you'd count a lab/pit bull cross that bites the neighbor.
 
2013-06-21 03:23:16 PM  

ronaprhys: Ow! That was my feelings!: And Labs and Lab mixes are by far the most popular breed in the US and have been for many years. Meaning the fact they bite more people by raw numbers a duh moment. For an accurate picture of which breeds bite more, you would have to take the number of bites per population divided by the number of dogs, not the total number of bites.

That's because labs and lab mixes are, by far, superior dogs.  Secondly, since the definition of dog starts with something that's at least 55lbs, things below that only count as fancy rats.


48lb rat on the left, 60 lb baby-eating murderbeast (pit bull) on the right:
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 03:23:48 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Pray 4 Mojo: ronaprhys: Labs bite more people than pit bulls.

I rolled my eyes at this so hard one of them fell behind my brain.

This might be true, actually. I think there's more labs and lab-mixes out there than pits and bully-mixes.

I wonder how you'd count a lab/pit bull cross that bites the neighbor.


That's an AK-47 or a Glock, depending on which part is more visible.
 
2013-06-21 03:25:12 PM  

doccm9: Pray 4 Mojo: ronaprhys: Labs bite more people than pit bulls.

I rolled my eyes at this so hard one of them fell behind my brain.

Only reason is because they are so many more labs, considering they are the most popular family dog in the country and all that. Per capita? Fark that statistics and fancy shiat.
Also the difference is that they tend to not disfigure or kill people when they do.


So let's see the scientifically valid statistics you've based your views on.
 
2013-06-21 03:25:30 PM  

JesseL: ronaprhys: Ow! That was my feelings!: And Labs and Lab mixes are by far the most popular breed in the US and have been for many years. Meaning the fact they bite more people by raw numbers a duh moment. For an accurate picture of which breeds bite more, you would have to take the number of bites per population divided by the number of dogs, not the total number of bites.

That's because labs and lab mixes are, by far, superior dogs.  Secondly, since the definition of dog starts with something that's at least 55lbs, things below that only count as fancy rats.

48lb rat on the left, 60 lb baby-eating murderbeast (pit bull) on the right:
[img.fark.net image 850x637]


I've got a chocolate lab right now.  When I went to Moab this spring the sitter who had her had a bunch of murderbeasts at her house.  She loved them.  All day with the running and wrestling.  I think if I get a second dog, it may be a pit rescue.
 
2013-06-21 03:26:38 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that those who insist that "every dog has a right to be served" are the least likely to actually correctly train their dogs.  Dogs specifically bred to be aggressive and attack other dogs are obviously more entitled to be leash-free.  Maybe they can re-decorate and have a board listing the odds on various dogs and have a fancy pit in the middle.


I want my dog to go unquestioned, so I insist that every dog go unquestioned.

It's a chick thing.  Go look at the bar's Facebook comments and you'll find only chicks taking this position.  The few guys saying, "Yeah, but..." are shouted down.  It's like a Fark rape thread.
 
2013-06-21 03:27:02 PM  
I absolutely loved my son's dog (Bob Doggs) who was a rescue pit.  Friendly, happy, slobbery dog.  However, after he mauled my older ridgeback mix to death in a bloodbath in my bedroom (on my birthday) I changed my ideas about pit bulls. Something just... snapped.
 
2013-06-21 03:29:36 PM  

ronaprhys: JesseL: ronaprhys: Ow! That was my feelings!: And Labs and Lab mixes are by far the most popular breed in the US and have been for many years. Meaning the fact they bite more people by raw numbers a duh moment. For an accurate picture of which breeds bite more, you would have to take the number of bites per population divided by the number of dogs, not the total number of bites.

That's because labs and lab mixes are, by far, superior dogs.  Secondly, since the definition of dog starts with something that's at least 55lbs, things below that only count as fancy rats.

48lb rat on the left, 60 lb baby-eating murderbeast (pit bull) on the right:
[img.fark.net image 850x637]

I've got a chocolate lab right now.  When I went to Moab this spring the sitter who had her had a bunch of murderbeasts at her house.  She loved them.  All day with the running and wrestling.  I think if I get a second dog, it may be a pit rescue.


That's exactly how it was while we were sitting the murderbeast pictured. It took her a while to understand what the rat was trying to do, but she eventually got into the swing of it.

img.fark.net

One of the only times I've really seen him get worn out.
 
2013-06-21 03:34:29 PM  

ronaprhys: daisygrrl: Why do pit bull owners always act so surprised when their dogs are banned? Ffs, they're banned in all kinds of places and anyone with liability insurance is not going to allow random pit bulls. If I had one and I wanted to take it somewhere like this, I'd call ahead and make sure it's cool.

That being said, the bar owners don't appear to have thought things through on the dog side. No water? One entrance? One attendant who may not know how to break up a fight? And seriously, one attendant won't be breaking up a fight between several dogs. Also, dog people are insane. You'll never please all of them and you'll go crazy trying.

Finally, I don't take my dog to dog parks but if I did, I'd leave at the first sight of a pit bull. Too much risk for a dog that's known to be bred for dog aggression.

Labs bite more people than pit bulls.


Where did I say I was worried about human aggression in pit bulls? I think bringing a dog aggressive breed of dog to a space full of other dogs is stupid because the dogs are more likely to get hurt.
 
2013-06-21 03:34:51 PM  
That's for insurance purposes.  Those breeds all raise insurance rates.
 
2013-06-21 03:36:01 PM  

ronaprhys: Labs bite more people than pit bulls.


Mosquitoes bite more people than dogs.  The focus belongs on serious injuries and deaths.  Labs aren't even in the group of breeds that cause most of those.  Pits are pretty prominent.
 
2013-06-21 03:36:38 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Pray 4 Mojo: ronaprhys: Labs bite more people than pit bulls.

I rolled my eyes at this so hard one of them fell behind my brain.

This might be true, actually. I think there's more labs and lab-mixes out there than pits and bully-mixes.

I wonder how you'd count a lab/pit bull cross that bites the neighbor.


It is true... because labs are (and have been for a long, long time) the most popular breed in the country. That's why I rolled my eyes.

More people are injured on the road in cars than on motorcycles. Therefore, motorcycles are safer.
 
2013-06-21 03:38:23 PM  

ronaprhys: I've got a chocolate lab right now. When I went to Moab this spring the sitter who had her


Uhhhh... your dog wants to go to Moab too.
 
2013-06-21 03:38:24 PM  

purplegiraffe: I absolutely loved my son's dog (Bob Doggs) who was a rescue pit.  Friendly, happy, slobbery dog.  However, after he mauled my older ridgeback mix to death in a bloodbath in my bedroom (on my birthday) I changed my ideas about pit bulls. Something just... snapped.


A friend of mine has three huskies that went thunderdome one one of her cats. She found pieces all over her dining room. If you want a good-looking vermin killing dog, huskies are your breed.

My husky has a long and distinguished kill score against rats and possums. Even the raccoons avoid our orange tree now.
 
2013-06-21 03:41:59 PM  
JesseL:
I haven't seen any legitimate statistical infoI'm willing to believe that supports the notion that pit bulls are any more likely to be dangerous than any similar sized breed.

Even the CDC's data
is wrong if it disagrees with me.

FTFY.
 
2013-06-21 03:45:25 PM  
I've wanted to see something like this for years, it could be a really fun place, but they seem to be having problems with planning.

I wonder how much space they set aside...you'd need a bit of room to do it right.  And the breed problem can be solved the way it is at actual dog parks....you have a big dog side and a small dog side.  If your small dog is a little too rowdy for the tiny chihuahua's and old lady dogs, you put it on the big dog side.  I have a 15 lb mini-pin/chihuahua mix who is very active and loves to play with other dogs, I always let him run with the big dogs, and there's never been a problem.  Also, the big dogs especially, have to be well-trained enough to obey their owners instead of fighting and attacking.

Really, instead of a bar with a small dog run, it needs to be a regular sized dog park with an attached beer garden, maybe some park benches so you can enjoy a beer or cold cocktail while you run your dog.

If most people weren't judgmental shiatbags, and biatch-ass whiners, we could just drink beer in a regular park that has a dog park, but because most "adults" can't handle people doing things they don't like in public, it has to be a special project. with special government permits and insurance leeches sucking the teats dry.
 
2013-06-21 03:45:45 PM  
Why would anyone object to such a sweet, cuddly thing?

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-06-21 03:46:11 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: ronaprhys: I've got a chocolate lab right now. When I went to Moab this spring the sitter who had her

Uhhhh... your dog wants to go to Moab too.


She sort of does.  I go there to go off-roading and she really doesn't like that all that much.  Even with rock-crawling being as slow as it is, there's just lots of bouncing, off-camber, and other less than fun stuff if you're a dog trying to stand in the back.  Secondly, I've run the Elephant Hill trail several times are no dogs are allowed.  At all.

Last thing is that she really doesn't like being hot.  Definitely a cold weather dog.

daisygrrl: Where did I say I was worried about human aggression in pit bulls? I think bringing a dog aggressive breed of dog to a space full of other dogs is stupid because the dogs are more likely to get hurt.


Pits are not dog aggressive.  Keep buying into the myth.
 
2013-06-21 03:46:42 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: yet_another_wumpus: I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that those who insist that "every dog has a right to be served" are the least likely to actually correctly train their dogs.  Dogs specifically bred to be aggressive and attack other dogs are obviously more entitled to be leash-free.  Maybe they can re-decorate and have a board listing the odds on various dogs and have a fancy pit in the middle.

I want my dog to go unquestioned, so I insist that every dog go unquestioned.

It's a chick thing.  Go look at the bar's Facebook comments and you'll find only chicks taking this position.  The few guys saying, "Yeah, but..." are shouted down.  It's like a Fark rape thread.


I dunno.

I don't trust any dog I am unfamiliar with, doubly so now that I have my own dog.

I've only been bit by a Bichon Frise that was ordered to attack me as I was delivering papers as a kid (thankfully this douche family's German Shepard was safely locked inside, not that he wasn't barking up a storm.), and my sister in law's Miniature Pinscher.    The Min Pin is long gone, but I've come to find out why it hated men (my brother in law is not the best dog owner in the world...)
 
2013-06-21 03:47:31 PM  

jedikinkoid: JesseL:
I haven't seen any legitimate statistical infoI'm willing to believe that supports the notion that pit bulls are any more likely to be dangerous than any similar sized breed.

Even the CDC's data is wrong if it disagrees with me.

FTFY.


Can you really look at their methods and take them seriously?

http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf
Procedure
We collected data from The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS)and media accounts related to dog bite attacks and fatalities, using methods from previous studies. The HSUS maintains a registry of human DBRF, including date of death, age and sex of decedent,city and state of attack, number and breeds of dogs involved, and circumstances relating to the attack. To supplement HSUS reports, as in the past, a database was searched for accounts of human DBRF that occurred in1997 and 1998. Our search strategy involved scanning the text of newspapers and periodicals for certain words and word combinations likely to represent human DBRF followed by a review of articles containing those terms.Data obtained from HSUS and news accounts were merged to maximize detection of human DBRF and avoid duplicate reports. One new human DBRF from1996 was identified in the 1997 and 1998 reports and was added to the existing data for 1996.
 
2013-06-21 03:48:24 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: OK, so I'm stupid.  WTF is a "DB Bar"?


I live in the Dallas area and I have no farking idea.
 
2013-06-21 03:48:51 PM  
How about y'all just leave your f^%$cking dogs at home like we used to do 25 years ago. Dont bring them to work, dont bring them to go shopping, dont let them sit on your lap in the car. In fact dont put em in the farking car at all unless they're going to the vet. Dont bring them on a god damn plane, dont bring them to a restaurant, dont bring them to a bar. Take them for a walk, thats &%^$ all! People and their dogs. Theyre %^$# dogs not kids.

/Flame away dog lovers. BTW, I've had dogs and will have another one soon. I just dont take it every god damn place. How farking annoying.
 
2013-06-21 03:49:51 PM  

The_Original_Roxtar: semi-related, but am I the only one who gets all ragey when people use the term "fur-baby" when referring to their pet?


No. No, you're not.
 
2013-06-21 03:49:58 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Satan's Bunny Slippers: OK, so I'm stupid.  WTF is a "DB Bar"?

I live in the Dallas area and I have no farking idea.


Probably Dog Bark.  Seems to be the easiest explanation.
 
2013-06-21 03:53:20 PM  

JesseL: "
After Ybarra posted a photo of the policy on her Facebook page, Mutts' page was deluged with complaints from irate pet owners. Mutts' Weeners was that the rules were prescribed by their insurance company.
But by Thursday afternoon, Mutts co-owner Kyle Noonan said they had relaxed the policy and that only pit bulls would be banned. "We've been working with our insurance company today, and we have gotten them to lighten the restrictions," Noonan said. "The only restricted breed in the dog park will be pit bulls."
 "

Do insurance companies really do the actuarial analysis to back up restrictions like this, or are they just winging it sometimes?


Both.
 
2013-06-21 03:54:39 PM  

BEER_ME_in_CT: How about y'all just leave your f^%$cking dogs at home like we used to do 25 years ago. Dont bring them to work, dont bring them to go shopping, dont let them sit on your lap in the car. In fact dont put em in the farking car at all unless they're going to the vet. Dont bring them on a god damn plane, dont bring them to a restaurant, dont bring them to a bar. Take them for a walk, thats &%^$ all! People and their dogs. Theyre %^$# dogs not kids.

/Flame away dog lovers. BTW, I've had dogs and will have another one soon. I just dont take it every god damn place. How farking annoying.


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 03:56:59 PM  

JesseL: Can you really look at their methods and take them seriously?


Yes. Gathering data is how people learn things.
 
2013-06-21 04:01:01 PM  
WTF is a DB bar
Your headline sucks.
 
2013-06-21 04:01:22 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: "The only restricted breed in the dog park will be pit bulls."

img.fark.net
/Oblig


I have it on good authority that your graphic is incorrect. The picture in the lower right is not, in fact, a pit bull. It is an AK-47.

/place would do better if they ban all dogs under 20 pounds or over 100 pounds
 
2013-06-21 04:02:01 PM  

jaytkay: JesseL: Can you really look at their methods and take them seriously?

Yes. Gathering data is how people learn things.


Gathering data incorrectly is how many people screw up things.  See Jenny McCarthy, Obama, et. al.
 
2013-06-21 04:02:37 PM  

jaytkay: Yes. Gathering data is how people learn things.


Assuming it's actually data they're gathering, I agree.

In the case of the CDC dog bite stats though, they gathered a pile of anecdotes and confirmation bias.
 
2013-06-21 04:05:22 PM  

JesseL: jaytkay: Yes. Gathering data is how people learn things.

Assuming it's actually data they're gathering, I agree.

In the case of the CDC dog bite stats though, they gathered a pile of anecdotes and confirmation bias.


And by "anecdotes and confirmation bias" you mean "results I do not like".
 
2013-06-21 04:06:14 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: OK, so I'm stupid.  WTF is a "DB Bar"?


Douchebag?
 
2013-06-21 04:06:52 PM  

Begoggle: WTF is a DB bar
Your headline sucks.


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 04:09:40 PM  

Canned Tamales: I've wanted to see something like this for years, it could be a really fun place, but they seem to be having problems with planning.

I wonder how much space they set aside...you'd need a bit of room to do it right.  And the breed problem can be solved the way it is at actual dog parks....you have a big dog side and a small dog side.  If your small dog is a little too rowdy for the tiny chihuahua's and old lady dogs, you put it on the big dog side.  I have a 15 lb mini-pin/chihuahua mix who is very active and loves to play with other dogs, I always let him run with the big dogs, and there's never been a problem.  Also, the big dogs especially, have to be well-trained enough to obey their owners instead of fighting and attacking.

Really, instead of a bar with a small dog run, it needs to be a regular sized dog park with an attached beer garden, maybe some park benches so you can enjoy a beer or cold cocktail while you run your dog.


Google the Mutts Cantina Web site to see how many keystrokes you wasted.
 
2013-06-21 04:10:02 PM  

jaytkay: JesseL: jaytkay: Yes. Gathering data is how people learn things.

Assuming it's actually data they're gathering, I agree.

In the case of the CDC dog bite stats though, they gathered a pile of anecdotes and confirmation bias.

And by "anecdotes and confirmation bias" you mean "results I do not like".


Do you have to wear a helmet at all times?

I mean they built their tables out of garbage.

Agree or disagree with the results, the methods were beyond broken. If you can't see that, you're the one who's being blinded by bias.

Show me some numbers that aren't made of bullshiat and I'll be happy to see where they lead.
 
2013-06-21 04:10:40 PM  

Diogenes: There are database bars now?  How lame.


no.. imagine how cool it would be to order a drink this way...

select BEER from table DRINKS where ALCOHOL_CONTENT > 5% AND COLOR=LIGHT;

*shoots self*
 
2013-06-21 04:11:22 PM  

jaytkay: JesseL: jaytkay: Yes. Gathering data is how people learn things.

Assuming it's actually data they're gathering, I agree.

In the case of the CDC dog bite stats though, they gathered a pile of anecdotes and confirmation bias.

And by "anecdotes and confirmation bias" you mean "results I do not like".


The very nature of what they are trying to measure and how they are measuring it leads to these accusations of errors.

Why use media reports, when we know the media is unreliable when it comes to sensational news?

Remember that poor kid freaking out that people thought he was the Boston Bomber?

Or any of the other daily occurrences where the media has to post a retraction or correction?
 
2013-06-21 04:12:45 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Satan's Bunny Slippers: OK, so I'm stupid.  WTF is a "DB Bar"?

I live in the Dallas area and I have no farking idea.


It's really funny how many people don't think of "Douche Bag."  Perhaps it's because it's usually spelled as one word.  In your case, it's probably because you were looking for a second word that goes with "Dallas."
 
2013-06-21 04:13:21 PM  
JesseL:
Can you really look at their methods and take them seriously?

http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf
Procedure
We collected data from The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS)and media accounts related to dog bite attacks and fatalities, using methods from previous studies. The HSUS maintains a registry of human DBRF, including date of death, age and sex of decedent,city and state of attack, number and breeds of dogs involved, and circumstances relating to the attack. To supplement HSUS reports, as in the past, a database was searched for accounts of human DBRF that occurred in1997 and 1998. Our search strategy involved scanning the text of newspapers and periodicals for certain words and word combinations likely to represent human DBRF followed by a review of articles containing those terms.Data obtained from HSUS and news accounts were merged to maximize detection of human DBRF and avoid duplicate reports. One new human DBRF from1996 was identified in the 1997 and 1998 reports and was added to the existing data for 1996.


Might I ask what methodology you would consider sufficient? Bonus points if it's even remotely practical.

Likewise, might I ask what group you consider to be a more-reliable authority on analyzing causes of death than the CDC?
 
2013-06-21 04:16:28 PM  

JesseL: Show me some numbers that aren't made of bullshiat and I'll be happy to see where they lead.


Well, you know the results are wrong, so apparently you have the correct information. Please share.
 
2013-06-21 04:20:23 PM  

Gabrielmot: Diogenes: There are database bars now?  How lame.

no.. imagine how cool it would be to order a drink this way...

select BEER from table DRINKS where ALCOHOL_CONTENT > 5% AND COLOR=LIGHT;

*shoots self*


It would cut down on the slobbering drunk problem.  I mean, if you're so drunk you can't get your SQL straight, you probably need to be cut off away.
 
2013-06-21 04:21:15 PM  

jaytkay: JesseL: Show me some numbers that aren't made of bullshiat and I'll be happy to see where they lead.

Well, you know the results are wrong, so apparently you have the correct information. Please share.


Well, start with pit bull type, as well as hound type and lab type, encompass several different breeds, yet other breeds get a single entry.

If I was to go with what is at a shelter, I'd say pit bull types are among the most populous (not popular, populous) breeds out there.
 
2013-06-21 04:23:08 PM  

jedikinkoid: Might I ask what methodology you would consider sufficient? Bonus points if it's even remotely practical.


I'm honestly not sure. As I mentioned further up the thread, even defining and objectively identifying "breed" is problematic. It's not a scientific term and is essentially left to the whims of breeders and kennel clubs.

Assuming the problem of breed identification could be overcome; I'd say they'd be best off with getting doctors, hospitals, and coroners to collect accurate breed info when treating dog bites or investigating deaths resulting from dog bites.

jedikinkoid: Likewise, might I ask what group you consider to be a more-reliable authority on analyzing causes of death than the CDC?


The CDC is generally fine at what they do, when someone's not asking them to take on a problem with such poorly defined parameters and limited data.
 
2013-06-21 04:23:34 PM  

jedikinkoid: JesseL:
Can you really look at their methods and take them seriously?

http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf
Procedure
We collected data from The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS)and media accounts related to dog bite attacks and fatalities, using methods from previous studies. The HSUS maintains a registry of human DBRF, including date of death, age and sex of decedent,city and state of attack, number and breeds of dogs involved, and circumstances relating to the attack. To supplement HSUS reports, as in the past, a database was searched for accounts of human DBRF that occurred in1997 and 1998. Our search strategy involved scanning the text of newspapers and periodicals for certain words and word combinations likely to represent human DBRF followed by a review of articles containing those terms.Data obtained from HSUS and news accounts were merged to maximize detection of human DBRF and avoid duplicate reports. One new human DBRF from1996 was identified in the 1997 and 1998 reports and was added to the existing data for 1996.

Might I ask what methodology you would consider sufficient? Bonus points if it's even remotely practical.

Likewise, might I ask what group you consider to be a more-reliable authority on analyzing causes of death than the CDC?


Don't bother. "When faced with the choice of changing their minds or proving that it is unnecessary to do so, most people immediately get busy on the proof."  John K. Galbraith
 
2013-06-21 04:25:42 PM  
I walked past the place today on my way to Village Burger.   There wasn't a single dog in site and it looked like only a single customer.   There was an attendent standing by the entrence to the dog area who looked miserable in the noon heat.   Also the place is apperently still undergoing construction.

Anyway I can't understand why anyone would want to take their dogs to this place when they could take them to the free dog park at Klyde Warren park and eat at the food trucks.
 
2013-06-21 04:29:38 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: It's really funny how many people don't think of "Douche Bag."


It's actually an interesting phenomena... I work with a guy that is a complete douchebag (nice enough guy though)... drives a Navigator, shaved head, jewelry, tight v-neck shirts, Ed Hardy jeans (even though we do construction supervision)... and he uses DB all the time. Some foreman didn't call him back, "That douchebag". Some guy built the wall on the wrong side of the line, "What a douchebag". Inspector fails something, "Farking douchebag".

Douchebags don't know they're douchebags...
 
2013-06-21 04:29:54 PM  

Jeremysbrain: I walked past the place today on my way to Village Burger.   There wasn't a single dog in site and it looked like only a single customer.   There was an attendent standing by the entrence to the dog area who looked miserable in the noon heat.   Also the place is apperently still undergoing construction.

Anyway I can't understand why anyone would want to take their dogs to this place when they could take them to the free dog park at Klyde Warren park and eat at the food trucks.


Thanks for some first-hand, useful input.

What time did you walk by?
 
2013-06-21 04:29:57 PM  

ronaprhys: the definition of dog starts with something that's at least 55lbs, things below that only count as fancy rats.


img.fark.net

img.fark.net

img.fark.net

img.fark.net

You MUST be high. Herding dogs are quite often in the 35-65 lb. range. And those are "REAL" dogs. Hell, those are WORKING dogs.
 
2013-06-21 04:34:18 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: jedikinkoid: JesseL:
Can you really look at their methods and take them seriously?

http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf
Procedure
We collected data from The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS)and media accounts related to dog bite attacks and fatalities, using methods from previous studies. The HSUS maintains a registry of human DBRF, including date of death, age and sex of decedent,city and state of attack, number and breeds of dogs involved, and circumstances relating to the attack. To supplement HSUS reports, as in the past, a database was searched for accounts of human DBRF that occurred in1997 and 1998. Our search strategy involved scanning the text of newspapers and periodicals for certain words and word combinations likely to represent human DBRF followed by a review of articles containing those terms.Data obtained from HSUS and news accounts were merged to maximize detection of human DBRF and avoid duplicate reports. One new human DBRF from1996 was identified in the 1997 and 1998 reports and was added to the existing data for 1996.

Might I ask what methodology you would consider sufficient? Bonus points if it's even remotely practical.

Likewise, might I ask what group you consider to be a more-reliable authority on analyzing causes of death than the CDC?

Don't bother. "When faced with the choice of changing their minds or proving that it is unnecessary to do so, most people immediately get busy on the proof."  John K. Galbraith


I own a Staffordshire bull terrier mix, but I don't trust other pit bulls, or labs, or chihuahuas, at least until I get to know them.  He's never shown any aggression to other dogs, but if he does, I'm the one that is responsible for his behavior and what happens next.  It means I farking failed at raising and training a dog.

And given what I experienced with my aforementioned bro-in-law, I think not trusting someone else's dog until you are reasonably sure about them is a good idea.  A person that seems like the perfect dog owner in public can actually be a tormenting douche to his animals when they think no one is looking.
 
2013-06-21 04:44:03 PM  

jaytkay: JesseL: Show me some numbers that aren't made of bullshiat and I'll be happy to see where they lead.

Well, you know the results are wrong, so apparently you have the correct information. Please share.


Hmm. My last reply was deleted.

I don't know the results are wrong. I just know they're based on bullshiat so their results are suspect.

If you can find some statistically rigorous info, I'll be inclined to take it at face value.
 
2013-06-21 04:48:31 PM  

JesseL: Hmm. My last reply was deleted.


What's up with that? I saw it, now it's gone.
 
2013-06-21 04:53:27 PM  

jaytkay: JesseL: Hmm. My last reply was deleted.

What's up with that? I saw it, now it's gone.


I guess the tard helmet comment was over the line :/

My apologies to you and the admin.
 
2013-06-21 05:07:09 PM  

JesseL: jaytkay: JesseL: Hmm. My last reply was deleted.

What's up with that? I saw it, now it's gone.

I guess the tard helmet comment was over the line :/

My apologies to you and the admin.


Ah, I forgot that part, I ignored it, no offense taken.
 
2013-06-21 05:31:40 PM  
The owners of this place obviously don't frequent dog parks. No water? In Dallas heat? Huge oversight. No separate dog entrance to the dog park? Thats just inviting disaster.As for fights, just blast one of those high pitched noise things or hose down the dogs every time they fight. They will stop pretty quickly after that.
 
2013-06-21 05:36:46 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Jeremysbrain: I walked past the place today on my way to Village Burger.   There wasn't a single dog in site and it looked like only a single customer.   There was an attendent standing by the entrence to the dog area who looked miserable in the noon heat.   Also the place is apperently still undergoing construction.

Anyway I can't understand why anyone would want to take their dogs to this place when they could take them to the free dog park at Klyde Warren park and eat at the food trucks.

Thanks for some first-hand, useful input.

What time did you walk by?


A little after 1pm.
 
2013-06-21 05:41:54 PM  
Not every pit bull becomes a problem, but without exception the owners are scum bags.

"Those huge muscles bulging under my dogs super thick and loose skin? Don't worry if my dog snaps or becomes aggressive, nobody will be able to stop it. Be cool, you just don't understand my cuddly little angel"

No but I understand how fukin stupid you are.

I've seen three Pits snap, it's a very, very dangerous situation.
 
2013-06-21 05:52:46 PM  

Bonzo_1116: A friend of mine has three huskies that went thunderdome one one of her cats.


That is disgusting!  I grew up with a husky/lab mix who used to kill stray kittens and lay them out in a row on our deck--that traumatized me enough at age 7. The neighborhood was terrified of him since he was not socialized or trained properly by my parents. On the other hand, I had 2 friends with huskies, and those were the sweetest, most docile dogs I ever met. It really depends on how crappy the owner is.
 
2013-06-21 06:06:34 PM  
If your dog's breed is banned, then don't go there.

Problem solved!
 
2013-06-21 06:29:51 PM  

Chimpasaurus: Bonzo_1116: A friend of mine has three huskies that went thunderdome one one of her cats.

That is disgusting!  I grew up with a husky/lab mix who used to kill stray kittens and lay them out in a row on our deck--that traumatized me enough at age 7. The neighborhood was terrified of him since he was not socialized or trained properly by my parents. On the other hand, I had 2 friends with huskies, and those were the sweetest, most docile dogs I ever met. It really depends on how crappy the owner is.


Huskies have a really really strong hunting/prey drive.  More than most other dogs, as they were left to fend for themselves over the summer time as a breed back in the day.  People would lure them back into camp in the winter to pull their sleds, but they needed to hunt for themselves during the summer.  Dogs that were human-aggressive were immediately culled (and probably eaten by the chukchi).  My friend's kids pulled my dogs ear and generally abused her, but she licked their noses like a good beta-dog, because those were humans.  I trusted my husky with the cat that was already an adult when we got the dog. but a baby kitten would be too much of a temptation.,
 
2013-06-21 06:54:12 PM  
Douchebag bar? It's Dallas... they'll have lots of clientele.
 
2013-06-21 07:23:50 PM  
Who gets the final say about what breed your dog is? So many dogs can be confused with pits! I got bit this past Wednesday by what looked like a Presa but was listed as an American bulldog. Btw, anything with a mouth CAN bite, it's the amount of damage that can be a concern. Having said that, I'm way more reluctant to hold a Chihuahua than a pit, Chihuahuas are nasty little ankle-biters!
 
2013-06-21 07:29:51 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: ronaprhys: the definition of dog starts with something that's at least 55lbs, things below that only count as fancy rats.

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You MUST be high. Herding dogs are quite often in the 35-65 lb. range. And those are "REAL" dogs. Hell, those are WORKING dogs.


When they're above 55lbs, they're real dogs.  Below that, they're fancy rats.  Hell, because I'm generous, I'll give you that they could be fancy working rats.

Get a real dog, son.
 
2013-06-21 07:33:01 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: jaytkay: Dog Banning bar?
Dumb Blond bar?
Deaf Belgian bar?
Deal Breaker bar?

Dipshiat Buggerers
Dingleberry Burritos
Dangling Ballsacks
Deranged Buttrapers


"What are four possible names for my Butthole Surfers cover band?"
 
2013-06-21 08:32:09 PM  
I'm an embalmer, I've seen four toddlers on my table ripped to shreds after a pit bull got their mouth on them. Truly horrific, horror movie stuff. All four of them were killed by by neighborhood dogs not their own family's. I live in a nice part of Chicago and the parks and sidewalks are full of these farking things. When walking my son in his stroller I don't let them get within five feet if I can help it. If they do I get between them with one hand on the knife in my pocket. Don't trust any of them, and I don't enter any home with pit bulls in it with my son.
 
2013-06-21 08:36:39 PM  

Karl LaFong: "The dog park does not allow the following breeds to enter: Chow, Presa Canario, Doberman, Malamute, husky, German shepherd, Rottweiler, pit bull or Shar Pei."

And no Irish, either...

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/born troublemakers


Best lol for me today, thanks.  I needed it.


/part Irish.......you wanna fight about it?
 
2013-06-21 08:49:28 PM  

jaytkay: JesseL: jaytkay: Yes. Gathering data is how people learn things.

Assuming it's actually data they're gathering, I agree.

In the case of the CDC dog bite stats though, they gathered a pile of anecdotes and confirmation bias.

And by "anecdotes and confirmation bias" you mean "results I do not like".


No, he means that trolling newspapers for articles is not any kind of way(except a stupid, shiatty and very biased way) to collect meaningful data.  In fact, a moments thought would show that you are more likely to find very skewed info that way, since the media only publishes what gets sales, and the "vicious pit bull" narrative sells quite well.  All such a method will do is hide all of the other attacks by non-pit bull dogs.  That's not even counting the mis-identifications.

jaytkay.....troll, or stupid piece of dung?  You make the call!

/I vote both.
 
2013-06-21 08:53:01 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Canned Tamales: I've wanted to see something like this for years, it could be a really fun place, but they seem to be having problems with planning.

I wonder how much space they set aside...you'd need a bit of room to do it right.  And the breed problem can be solved the way it is at actual dog parks....you have a big dog side and a small dog side.  If your small dog is a little too rowdy for the tiny chihuahua's and old lady dogs, you put it on the big dog side.  I have a 15 lb mini-pin/chihuahua mix who is very active and loves to play with other dogs, I always let him run with the big dogs, and there's never been a problem.  Also, the big dogs especially, have to be well-trained enough to obey their owners instead of fighting and attacking.

Really, instead of a bar with a small dog run, it needs to be a regular sized dog park with an attached beer garden, maybe some park benches so you can enjoy a beer or cold cocktail while you run your dog.

Google the Mutts Cantina Web site to see how many keystrokes you wasted.


Fair enough...so then it's just the 1 entrance issue and stupid rules?  Sounded like more of an issue.
 
2013-06-21 08:57:08 PM  

Canned Tamales: jaytkay.....troll, or stupid piece of dung?


Are you ten years old?
 
2013-06-21 10:53:23 PM  
There are a couple of pit bulls in my neighborhood that drag their owners around for walkies. The biggest danger for a passerby is that the pittie may try to lick them to death.
 
2013-06-21 11:43:17 PM  

ronaprhys: Sin_City_Superhero: ronaprhys: the definition of dog starts with something that's at least 55lbs, things below that only count as fancy rats.

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You MUST be high. Herding dogs are quite often in the 35-65 lb. range. And those are "REAL" dogs. Hell, those are WORKING dogs.

When they're above 55lbs, they're real dogs.  Below that, they're fancy rats.  Hell, because I'm generous, I'll give you that they could be fancy working rats.

Get a real dog, son.


Aww. A fat, likely divorced cowboys fanboi who wants to drive a dually. Get a real truck, son.
 
2013-06-22 12:02:58 AM  

sigdiamond2000: I like to file these stories away for anytime someone comments on how silly/sad so-called "cat people" are.

Dogs: When they're not waking you up at 3 AM, sh*tting in your yard, slobbering all over your clean pants, or eating your kids' faces off, they're causing entire communities to turn against one another.


Don't get me wrong because I like cats and when I've had cats they were indoor cats.

Cats:  When they're not waking you at 3 AM fighting outside your bedroom window, shiatting in your yard (especially your veggie garden), leaving footprints and scratches all over your car, or eating the wildlife you enjoy watching in your yard, they're showing just how many irresponsible pet owners there are.
 
2013-06-22 02:35:44 AM  

fozzie in the city: I'm an embalmer, I've seen four toddlers on my table ripped to shreds after a pit bull got their mouth on them. Truly horrific, horror movie stuff. All four of them were killed by by neighborhood dogs not their own family's. I live in a nice part of Chicago and the parks and sidewalks are full of these farking things. When walking my son in his stroller I don't let them get within five feet if I can help it. If they do I get between them with one hand on the knife in my pocket. Don't trust any of them, and I don't enter any home with pit bulls in it with my son.


Wow I hope you've left a note so your loved ones know what's happened when you're found stabbed to death. You're going to find people are as protective of their pets as you are of your son.
 
2013-06-22 02:58:39 AM  
I want to know why huskies and Malamutes were on that list. Was the insurance company afraid they were going to shed everywhere?
 
2013-06-22 03:03:57 AM  
Also I got chased down the street by a lab mix yesterday that came out of nowhere. Retrievers and retriever mixes are the absolute worst--I've never had a pit even growl at me, but I've had retrievers growl, lunge, chase me out into traffic, and just about everything other than actually bite me. Horrible animals.
 
2013-06-22 03:27:07 AM  
Sue!  Sue! Sue!

Every dog will have his day!
 
2013-06-22 05:41:35 AM  

Canned Tamales: BarkingUnicorn: Canned Tamales: I've wanted to see something like this for years, it could be a really fun place, but they seem to be having problems with planning.

I wonder how much space they set aside...you'd need a bit of room to do it right.  And the breed problem can be solved the way it is at actual dog parks....you have a big dog side and a small dog side.  If your small dog is a little too rowdy for the tiny chihuahua's and old lady dogs, you put it on the big dog side.  I have a 15 lb mini-pin/chihuahua mix who is very active and loves to play with other dogs, I always let him run with the big dogs, and there's never been a problem.  Also, the big dogs especially, have to be well-trained enough to obey their owners instead of fighting and attacking.

Really, instead of a bar with a small dog run, it needs to be a regular sized dog park with an attached beer garden, maybe some park benches so you can enjoy a beer or cold cocktail while you run your dog.

Google the Mutts Cantina Web site to see how many keystrokes you wasted.

Fair enough...so then it's just the 1 entrance issue and stupid rules?  Sounded like more of an issue.


The biggest issue is that dogs are not under the control of their owners even to the limited degree that they are in a public off-leash dog park! From the bar's Web site:

"Full-time attendants are on duty to provide snacks and water and pick up after your pet while you grab a latté, beer or bite to eat at our open-air patio and beer garden. "

Owners and dogs are separated by a six-foot fence and IDK how much distance.  Owners are schmoozing with each other, Web surfing over the free WiFi, watching TV... everything except minding their goddam dogs!

If you're running a doggy daycare, you can take the time to put a dog through its paces to see if it's socialized and responsive to "masters" other than its owner. If not, you can refuse to enter into a long-term contract to provide care. The amount of revenue involved makes the due diligence affordable.

In Mutts Cantina's setting, you have random people plopping down five bucks for the day and saying, "Take care of my mutt while I go get drunk."  The attendants are supposed to handle all dogs without knowing whether they're Cuddles or Cujo.   Again, I wonder what kind of person would take such a job.

This place should not be permitted to operate this way.  I don't think it will last a year without being sued into the ground by a customer or employee.
 
2013-06-22 06:37:24 AM  

BEER_ME_in_CT: How about y'all just leave your f^%$cking dogs at home like we used to do 25 years ago. Dont bring them to work, dont bring them to go shopping, dont let them sit on your lap in the car. In fact dont put em in the farking car at all unless they're going to the vet. Dont bring them on a god damn plane, dont bring them to a restaurant, dont bring them to a bar. Take them for a walk, thats &%^$ all! People and their dogs. Theyre %^$# dogs not kids.

/Flame away dog lovers. BTW, I've had dogs and will have another one soon. I just dont take it every god damn place. How farking annoying.


You rant a lot. But you are right.
 
2013-06-22 08:10:27 AM  
seelorq:Aww. A fat, likely divorced cowboys fanboi who wants to drive a dually. Get a real truck, son.

Well, you almost got one right.  Almost.
 
2013-06-22 09:24:19 AM  

strathmeyer: fozzie in the city: I'm an embalmer, I've seen four toddlers on my table ripped to shreds after a pit bull got their mouth on them. Truly horrific, horror movie stuff. All four of them were killed by by neighborhood dogs not their own family's. I live in a nice part of Chicago and the parks and sidewalks are full of these farking things. When walking my son in his stroller I don't let them get within five feet if I can help it. If they do I get between them with one hand on the knife in my pocket. Don't trust any of them, and I don't enter any home with pit bulls in it with my son.

Wow I hope you've left a note so your loved ones know what's happened when you're found stabbed to death. You're going to find people are as protective of their pets as you are of your son.


That's what my Glock 30 is for silly. Some asswipe can't control their shiaty dog and it bites my kid, it dies in the spot. Humans>animals
 
2013-06-22 11:33:45 AM  

fozzie in the city: strathmeyer: fozzie in the city: I'm an embalmer, I've seen four toddlers on my table ripped to shreds after a pit bull got their mouth on them. Truly horrific, horror movie stuff. All four of them were killed by by neighborhood dogs not their own family's. I live in a nice part of Chicago and the parks and sidewalks are full of these farking things. When walking my son in his stroller I don't let them get within five feet if I can help it. If they do I get between them with one hand on the knife in my pocket. Don't trust any of them, and I don't enter any home with pit bulls in it with my son.

Wow I hope you've left a note so your loved ones know what's happened when you're found stabbed to death. You're going to find people are as protective of their pets as you are of your son.

That's what my Glock 30 is for silly. Some asswipe can't control their shiaty dog and it bites my kid, it dies in the spot. Humans>animals


Are you retired LE, or are you just carrying illegally in Chicago?
 
2013-06-22 12:44:56 PM  

JesseL: fozzie in the city: strathmeyer: fozzie in the city: I'm an embalmer, I've seen four toddlers on my table ripped to shreds after a pit bull got their mouth on them. Truly horrific, horror movie stuff. All four of them were killed by by neighborhood dogs not their own family's. I live in a nice part of Chicago and the parks and sidewalks are full of these farking things. When walking my son in his stroller I don't let them get within five feet if I can help it. If they do I get between them with one hand on the knife in my pocket. Don't trust any of them, and I don't enter any home with pit bulls in it with my son.

Wow I hope you've left a note so your loved ones know what's happened when you're found stabbed to death. You're going to find people are as protective of their pets as you are of your son.

That's what my Glock 30 is for silly. Some asswipe can't control their shiaty dog and it bites my kid, it dies in the spot. Humans>animals

Are you retired LE, or are you just carrying illegally in Chicago?


Or maybe active ITG
 
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