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2013-06-21 03:05:56 PM
Why do pit bull owners always act so surprised when their dogs are banned? Ffs, they're banned in all kinds of places and anyone with liability insurance is not going to allow random pit bulls. If I had one and I wanted to take it somewhere like this, I'd call ahead and make sure it's cool.

That being said, the bar owners don't appear to have thought things through on the dog side. No water? One entrance? One attendant who may not know how to break up a fight? And seriously, one attendant won't be breaking up a fight between several dogs. Also, dog people are insane. You'll never please all of them and you'll go crazy trying.

Finally, I don't take my dog to dog parks but if I did, I'd leave at the first sight of a pit bull. Too much risk for a dog that's known to be bred for dog aggression.
 
2013-06-21 03:07:47 PM

TheAnvil: Rapmaster2000: I'm glad there's a bar for people without personalities to go to.

There are actually millions of them.


The personalities are in the bottles.
Pay the bartender and he/she gives you some.
Pay some more; more personality.
Pay enough: you're a character in an episode of COPS.
 
2013-06-21 03:09:08 PM
I don't own a dog (if I wanted that level of responsibility, I'd have had kids). But I LIKE dogs. This sounds like the kind of joint where I would drink if I were visiting Dallas by myself.
 
2013-06-21 03:10:32 PM

daisygrrl: Why do pit bull owners always act so surprised when their dogs are banned? Ffs, they're banned in all kinds of places and anyone with liability insurance is not going to allow random pit bulls. If I had one and I wanted to take it somewhere like this, I'd call ahead and make sure it's cool.

That being said, the bar owners don't appear to have thought things through on the dog side. No water? One entrance? One attendant who may not know how to break up a fight? And seriously, one attendant won't be breaking up a fight between several dogs. Also, dog people are insane. You'll never please all of them and you'll go crazy trying.

Finally, I don't take my dog to dog parks but if I did, I'd leave at the first sight of a pit bull. Too much risk for a dog that's known to be bred for dog aggression.


Labs bite more people than pit bulls.
 
2013-06-21 03:11:53 PM

Chaghatai: Makes sense, some breeds are genetically more aggressive and all other things equal can be more problematic. The chows for example are very territorial. It's true that pit-bulls are naturally people-friendly and have to be abused or deliberately conditioned to become dangerous, but they are naturally very dog-aggressive and could cause problems with the dogs that are otherwise allowed there.



This! Finally! someone who gets it.  It's not the dog people, it's the owner.  In addition to being agressive Pits are unbelievably loyal, which unfortunately is exactly why they make good fighters.  A pit will let itself get killed before it lets something endanger someone it is guarding.  That in addition to their reputation is why thugs like them for protection.

Pits don't kill, thugs and stupid people with pits kill.    Pits they haven't trained (or trained to fight).
 
2013-06-21 03:12:25 PM
I'll open up a dog rental place-----rent a dog to pick up chicks----return it when done---now you have a sympathetic story to tell her when you "lost" the dog to running away or death. Profit.
 
2013-06-21 03:13:35 PM
"But if there is an altercation in the dog park, the staff needs to be trained on how to break up a fight set the betting line."

Fixed

Also...

I Like Shiny Things: I love dog owners.

It helps to identify the low life trash that should be avoided, in case they don't have any visible tattoos.


Dafuq?
 
2013-06-21 03:15:18 PM
"The dog park does not allow the following breeds to enter: Chow, Presa Canario, Doberman, Malamute, husky, German shepherd, Rottweiler, pit bull or Shar Pei."

And no Irish, either...

img.fark.net

/born troublemakers
 
2013-06-21 03:15:51 PM

ronaprhys: Labs bite more people than pit bulls.


I rolled my eyes at this so hard one of them fell behind my brain.
 
2013-06-21 03:17:46 PM
I love cat owners.

It helps to identify the holier than thou snobbish people with the "my shiat doesn't stink" attitude.

/only half kidding, at best
 
2013-06-21 03:18:18 PM

ronaprhys: daisygrrl: Why do pit bull owners always act so surprised when their dogs are banned? Ffs, they're banned in all kinds of places and anyone with liability insurance is not going to allow random pit bulls. If I had one and I wanted to take it somewhere like this, I'd call ahead and make sure it's cool.

That being said, the bar owners don't appear to have thought things through on the dog side. No water? One entrance? One attendant who may not know how to break up a fight? And seriously, one attendant won't be breaking up a fight between several dogs. Also, dog people are insane. You'll never please all of them and you'll go crazy trying.

Finally, I don't take my dog to dog parks but if I did, I'd leave at the first sight of a pit bull. Too much risk for a dog that's known to be bred for dog aggression.

Labs bite more people than pit bulls.


And Labs and Lab mixes are by far the most popular breed in the US and have been for many years. Meaning the fact they bite more people by raw numbers a duh moment. For an accurate picture of which breeds bite more, you would have to take the number of bites per population divided by the number of dogs, not the total number of bites.
 
2013-06-21 03:18:24 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: ronaprhys: Labs bite more people than pit bulls.

I rolled my eyes at this so hard one of them fell behind my brain.


Facts are facts and all.

I think chihuahuas are the worst, though.  natueral born killers.
 
2013-06-21 03:19:43 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: And Labs and Lab mixes are by far the most popular breed in the US and have been for many years. Meaning the fact they bite more people by raw numbers a duh moment. For an accurate picture of which breeds bite more, you would have to take the number of bites per population divided by the number of dogs, not the total number of bites.


That's because labs and lab mixes are, by far, superior dogs.  Secondly, since the definition of dog starts with something that's at least 55lbs, things below that only count as fancy rats.
 
2013-06-21 03:19:59 PM

ronaprhys: daisygrrl: Why do pit bull owners always act so surprised when their dogs are banned? Ffs, they're banned in all kinds of places and anyone with liability insurance is not going to allow random pit bulls. If I had one and I wanted to take it somewhere like this, I'd call ahead and make sure it's cool.

That being said, the bar owners don't appear to have thought things through on the dog side. No water? One entrance? One attendant who may not know how to break up a fight? And seriously, one attendant won't be breaking up a fight between several dogs. Also, dog people are insane. You'll never please all of them and you'll go crazy trying.

Finally, I don't take my dog to dog parks but if I did, I'd leave at the first sight of a pit bull. Too much risk for a dog that's known to be bred for dog aggression.

Labs bite more people than pit bulls.


^That.

I haven't seen any legitimate statistical info that supports the notion that pit bulls are any more likely to be dangerous than any similar sized breed.

Even the CDC's data is just based on media accounts and data from the (batshiat crazy) Humane Society of the US.

And then there's the fact that 'breed' itself is a fuzzy concept without scientific definition or objective standards that can allow for any kind of reliable and accurate distinction.
 
2013-06-21 03:20:39 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: ronaprhys: Labs bite more people than pit bulls.

I rolled my eyes at this so hard one of them fell behind my brain.


Only reason is because they are so many more labs, considering they are the most popular family dog in the country and all that. Per capita? Fark that statistics and fancy shiat.
Also the difference is that they tend to not disfigure or kill people when they do.
 
2013-06-21 03:21:25 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: meat0918: Ow! That was my feelings!: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Everything about that story sounds like complete bullshiat.  The entire design of the park is insane, the lack of training for the personnel, the business plan of the restaurant, and the mysterious "powers that be" telling them they have to ban certain dogs.  Really?  Why are you allowing your insurance company to dictate your business decisions?  I think companies like to make "insurance" be the fall guy for any unpopular decision they make for their business.

...and no water. You set up a dog park and there is not water. Brilliant!

Wait until the parvo outbreak.

If only there was a shot for that. Don't think I've never been to a dog park that didn't have water, it's a necessary feature.


The type of people that will go to a dog park bar are also the type of people afraid of giving their dogs Autism.
 
2013-06-21 03:21:40 PM

ronaprhys: Ow! That was my feelings!: And Labs and Lab mixes are by far the most popular breed in the US and have been for many years. Meaning the fact they bite more people by raw numbers a duh moment. For an accurate picture of which breeds bite more, you would have to take the number of bites per population divided by the number of dogs, not the total number of bites.

That's because labs and lab mixes are, by far, superior dogs.  Secondly, since the definition of dog starts with something that's at least 55lbs, things below that only count as fancy rats.


Glad to see someone gets it.
 
2013-06-21 03:22:25 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: ronaprhys: Labs bite more people than pit bulls.

I rolled my eyes at this so hard one of them fell behind my brain.


This might be true, actually. I think there's more labs and lab-mixes out there than pits and bully-mixes.

I wonder how you'd count a lab/pit bull cross that bites the neighbor.
 
2013-06-21 03:23:16 PM

ronaprhys: Ow! That was my feelings!: And Labs and Lab mixes are by far the most popular breed in the US and have been for many years. Meaning the fact they bite more people by raw numbers a duh moment. For an accurate picture of which breeds bite more, you would have to take the number of bites per population divided by the number of dogs, not the total number of bites.

That's because labs and lab mixes are, by far, superior dogs.  Secondly, since the definition of dog starts with something that's at least 55lbs, things below that only count as fancy rats.


48lb rat on the left, 60 lb baby-eating murderbeast (pit bull) on the right:
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 03:23:48 PM

Bonzo_1116: Pray 4 Mojo: ronaprhys: Labs bite more people than pit bulls.

I rolled my eyes at this so hard one of them fell behind my brain.

This might be true, actually. I think there's more labs and lab-mixes out there than pits and bully-mixes.

I wonder how you'd count a lab/pit bull cross that bites the neighbor.


That's an AK-47 or a Glock, depending on which part is more visible.
 
2013-06-21 03:25:12 PM

doccm9: Pray 4 Mojo: ronaprhys: Labs bite more people than pit bulls.

I rolled my eyes at this so hard one of them fell behind my brain.

Only reason is because they are so many more labs, considering they are the most popular family dog in the country and all that. Per capita? Fark that statistics and fancy shiat.
Also the difference is that they tend to not disfigure or kill people when they do.


So let's see the scientifically valid statistics you've based your views on.
 
2013-06-21 03:25:30 PM

JesseL: ronaprhys: Ow! That was my feelings!: And Labs and Lab mixes are by far the most popular breed in the US and have been for many years. Meaning the fact they bite more people by raw numbers a duh moment. For an accurate picture of which breeds bite more, you would have to take the number of bites per population divided by the number of dogs, not the total number of bites.

That's because labs and lab mixes are, by far, superior dogs.  Secondly, since the definition of dog starts with something that's at least 55lbs, things below that only count as fancy rats.

48lb rat on the left, 60 lb baby-eating murderbeast (pit bull) on the right:
[img.fark.net image 850x637]


I've got a chocolate lab right now.  When I went to Moab this spring the sitter who had her had a bunch of murderbeasts at her house.  She loved them.  All day with the running and wrestling.  I think if I get a second dog, it may be a pit rescue.
 
2013-06-21 03:26:38 PM

yet_another_wumpus: I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that those who insist that "every dog has a right to be served" are the least likely to actually correctly train their dogs.  Dogs specifically bred to be aggressive and attack other dogs are obviously more entitled to be leash-free.  Maybe they can re-decorate and have a board listing the odds on various dogs and have a fancy pit in the middle.


I want my dog to go unquestioned, so I insist that every dog go unquestioned.

It's a chick thing.  Go look at the bar's Facebook comments and you'll find only chicks taking this position.  The few guys saying, "Yeah, but..." are shouted down.  It's like a Fark rape thread.
 
2013-06-21 03:27:02 PM
I absolutely loved my son's dog (Bob Doggs) who was a rescue pit.  Friendly, happy, slobbery dog.  However, after he mauled my older ridgeback mix to death in a bloodbath in my bedroom (on my birthday) I changed my ideas about pit bulls. Something just... snapped.
 
2013-06-21 03:29:36 PM

ronaprhys: JesseL: ronaprhys: Ow! That was my feelings!: And Labs and Lab mixes are by far the most popular breed in the US and have been for many years. Meaning the fact they bite more people by raw numbers a duh moment. For an accurate picture of which breeds bite more, you would have to take the number of bites per population divided by the number of dogs, not the total number of bites.

That's because labs and lab mixes are, by far, superior dogs.  Secondly, since the definition of dog starts with something that's at least 55lbs, things below that only count as fancy rats.

48lb rat on the left, 60 lb baby-eating murderbeast (pit bull) on the right:
[img.fark.net image 850x637]

I've got a chocolate lab right now.  When I went to Moab this spring the sitter who had her had a bunch of murderbeasts at her house.  She loved them.  All day with the running and wrestling.  I think if I get a second dog, it may be a pit rescue.


That's exactly how it was while we were sitting the murderbeast pictured. It took her a while to understand what the rat was trying to do, but she eventually got into the swing of it.

img.fark.net

One of the only times I've really seen him get worn out.
 
2013-06-21 03:34:29 PM

ronaprhys: daisygrrl: Why do pit bull owners always act so surprised when their dogs are banned? Ffs, they're banned in all kinds of places and anyone with liability insurance is not going to allow random pit bulls. If I had one and I wanted to take it somewhere like this, I'd call ahead and make sure it's cool.

That being said, the bar owners don't appear to have thought things through on the dog side. No water? One entrance? One attendant who may not know how to break up a fight? And seriously, one attendant won't be breaking up a fight between several dogs. Also, dog people are insane. You'll never please all of them and you'll go crazy trying.

Finally, I don't take my dog to dog parks but if I did, I'd leave at the first sight of a pit bull. Too much risk for a dog that's known to be bred for dog aggression.

Labs bite more people than pit bulls.


Where did I say I was worried about human aggression in pit bulls? I think bringing a dog aggressive breed of dog to a space full of other dogs is stupid because the dogs are more likely to get hurt.
 
2013-06-21 03:34:51 PM
That's for insurance purposes.  Those breeds all raise insurance rates.
 
2013-06-21 03:36:01 PM

ronaprhys: Labs bite more people than pit bulls.


Mosquitoes bite more people than dogs.  The focus belongs on serious injuries and deaths.  Labs aren't even in the group of breeds that cause most of those.  Pits are pretty prominent.
 
2013-06-21 03:36:38 PM

Bonzo_1116: Pray 4 Mojo: ronaprhys: Labs bite more people than pit bulls.

I rolled my eyes at this so hard one of them fell behind my brain.

This might be true, actually. I think there's more labs and lab-mixes out there than pits and bully-mixes.

I wonder how you'd count a lab/pit bull cross that bites the neighbor.


It is true... because labs are (and have been for a long, long time) the most popular breed in the country. That's why I rolled my eyes.

More people are injured on the road in cars than on motorcycles. Therefore, motorcycles are safer.
 
2013-06-21 03:38:23 PM

ronaprhys: I've got a chocolate lab right now. When I went to Moab this spring the sitter who had her


Uhhhh... your dog wants to go to Moab too.
 
2013-06-21 03:38:24 PM

purplegiraffe: I absolutely loved my son's dog (Bob Doggs) who was a rescue pit.  Friendly, happy, slobbery dog.  However, after he mauled my older ridgeback mix to death in a bloodbath in my bedroom (on my birthday) I changed my ideas about pit bulls. Something just... snapped.


A friend of mine has three huskies that went thunderdome one one of her cats. She found pieces all over her dining room. If you want a good-looking vermin killing dog, huskies are your breed.

My husky has a long and distinguished kill score against rats and possums. Even the raccoons avoid our orange tree now.
 
2013-06-21 03:41:59 PM
JesseL:
I haven't seen any legitimate statistical infoI'm willing to believe that supports the notion that pit bulls are any more likely to be dangerous than any similar sized breed.

Even the CDC's data
is wrong if it disagrees with me.

FTFY.
 
2013-06-21 03:45:25 PM
I've wanted to see something like this for years, it could be a really fun place, but they seem to be having problems with planning.

I wonder how much space they set aside...you'd need a bit of room to do it right.  And the breed problem can be solved the way it is at actual dog parks....you have a big dog side and a small dog side.  If your small dog is a little too rowdy for the tiny chihuahua's and old lady dogs, you put it on the big dog side.  I have a 15 lb mini-pin/chihuahua mix who is very active and loves to play with other dogs, I always let him run with the big dogs, and there's never been a problem.  Also, the big dogs especially, have to be well-trained enough to obey their owners instead of fighting and attacking.

Really, instead of a bar with a small dog run, it needs to be a regular sized dog park with an attached beer garden, maybe some park benches so you can enjoy a beer or cold cocktail while you run your dog.

If most people weren't judgmental shiatbags, and biatch-ass whiners, we could just drink beer in a regular park that has a dog park, but because most "adults" can't handle people doing things they don't like in public, it has to be a special project. with special government permits and insurance leeches sucking the teats dry.
 
2013-06-21 03:45:45 PM
Why would anyone object to such a sweet, cuddly thing?

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-06-21 03:46:11 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: ronaprhys: I've got a chocolate lab right now. When I went to Moab this spring the sitter who had her

Uhhhh... your dog wants to go to Moab too.


She sort of does.  I go there to go off-roading and she really doesn't like that all that much.  Even with rock-crawling being as slow as it is, there's just lots of bouncing, off-camber, and other less than fun stuff if you're a dog trying to stand in the back.  Secondly, I've run the Elephant Hill trail several times are no dogs are allowed.  At all.

Last thing is that she really doesn't like being hot.  Definitely a cold weather dog.

daisygrrl: Where did I say I was worried about human aggression in pit bulls? I think bringing a dog aggressive breed of dog to a space full of other dogs is stupid because the dogs are more likely to get hurt.


Pits are not dog aggressive.  Keep buying into the myth.
 
2013-06-21 03:46:42 PM

BarkingUnicorn: yet_another_wumpus: I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that those who insist that "every dog has a right to be served" are the least likely to actually correctly train their dogs.  Dogs specifically bred to be aggressive and attack other dogs are obviously more entitled to be leash-free.  Maybe they can re-decorate and have a board listing the odds on various dogs and have a fancy pit in the middle.

I want my dog to go unquestioned, so I insist that every dog go unquestioned.

It's a chick thing.  Go look at the bar's Facebook comments and you'll find only chicks taking this position.  The few guys saying, "Yeah, but..." are shouted down.  It's like a Fark rape thread.


I dunno.

I don't trust any dog I am unfamiliar with, doubly so now that I have my own dog.

I've only been bit by a Bichon Frise that was ordered to attack me as I was delivering papers as a kid (thankfully this douche family's German Shepard was safely locked inside, not that he wasn't barking up a storm.), and my sister in law's Miniature Pinscher.    The Min Pin is long gone, but I've come to find out why it hated men (my brother in law is not the best dog owner in the world...)
 
2013-06-21 03:47:31 PM

jedikinkoid: JesseL:
I haven't seen any legitimate statistical infoI'm willing to believe that supports the notion that pit bulls are any more likely to be dangerous than any similar sized breed.

Even the CDC's data is wrong if it disagrees with me.

FTFY.


Can you really look at their methods and take them seriously?

http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf
Procedure
We collected data from The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS)and media accounts related to dog bite attacks and fatalities, using methods from previous studies. The HSUS maintains a registry of human DBRF, including date of death, age and sex of decedent,city and state of attack, number and breeds of dogs involved, and circumstances relating to the attack. To supplement HSUS reports, as in the past, a database was searched for accounts of human DBRF that occurred in1997 and 1998. Our search strategy involved scanning the text of newspapers and periodicals for certain words and word combinations likely to represent human DBRF followed by a review of articles containing those terms.Data obtained from HSUS and news accounts were merged to maximize detection of human DBRF and avoid duplicate reports. One new human DBRF from1996 was identified in the 1997 and 1998 reports and was added to the existing data for 1996.
 
2013-06-21 03:48:24 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: OK, so I'm stupid.  WTF is a "DB Bar"?


I live in the Dallas area and I have no farking idea.
 
2013-06-21 03:48:51 PM
How about y'all just leave your f^%$cking dogs at home like we used to do 25 years ago. Dont bring them to work, dont bring them to go shopping, dont let them sit on your lap in the car. In fact dont put em in the farking car at all unless they're going to the vet. Dont bring them on a god damn plane, dont bring them to a restaurant, dont bring them to a bar. Take them for a walk, thats &%^$ all! People and their dogs. Theyre %^$# dogs not kids.

/Flame away dog lovers. BTW, I've had dogs and will have another one soon. I just dont take it every god damn place. How farking annoying.
 
2013-06-21 03:49:51 PM

The_Original_Roxtar: semi-related, but am I the only one who gets all ragey when people use the term "fur-baby" when referring to their pet?


No. No, you're not.
 
2013-06-21 03:49:58 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Satan's Bunny Slippers: OK, so I'm stupid.  WTF is a "DB Bar"?

I live in the Dallas area and I have no farking idea.


Probably Dog Bark.  Seems to be the easiest explanation.
 
2013-06-21 03:53:20 PM

JesseL: "
After Ybarra posted a photo of the policy on her Facebook page, Mutts' page was deluged with complaints from irate pet owners. Mutts' Weeners was that the rules were prescribed by their insurance company.
But by Thursday afternoon, Mutts co-owner Kyle Noonan said they had relaxed the policy and that only pit bulls would be banned. "We've been working with our insurance company today, and we have gotten them to lighten the restrictions," Noonan said. "The only restricted breed in the dog park will be pit bulls."
 "

Do insurance companies really do the actuarial analysis to back up restrictions like this, or are they just winging it sometimes?


Both.
 
2013-06-21 03:54:39 PM

BEER_ME_in_CT: How about y'all just leave your f^%$cking dogs at home like we used to do 25 years ago. Dont bring them to work, dont bring them to go shopping, dont let them sit on your lap in the car. In fact dont put em in the farking car at all unless they're going to the vet. Dont bring them on a god damn plane, dont bring them to a restaurant, dont bring them to a bar. Take them for a walk, thats &%^$ all! People and their dogs. Theyre %^$# dogs not kids.

/Flame away dog lovers. BTW, I've had dogs and will have another one soon. I just dont take it every god damn place. How farking annoying.


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 03:56:59 PM

JesseL: Can you really look at their methods and take them seriously?


Yes. Gathering data is how people learn things.
 
2013-06-21 04:01:01 PM
WTF is a DB bar
Your headline sucks.
 
2013-06-21 04:01:22 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: "The only restricted breed in the dog park will be pit bulls."

img.fark.net
/Oblig


I have it on good authority that your graphic is incorrect. The picture in the lower right is not, in fact, a pit bull. It is an AK-47.

/place would do better if they ban all dogs under 20 pounds or over 100 pounds
 
2013-06-21 04:02:01 PM

jaytkay: JesseL: Can you really look at their methods and take them seriously?

Yes. Gathering data is how people learn things.


Gathering data incorrectly is how many people screw up things.  See Jenny McCarthy, Obama, et. al.
 
2013-06-21 04:02:37 PM

jaytkay: Yes. Gathering data is how people learn things.


Assuming it's actually data they're gathering, I agree.

In the case of the CDC dog bite stats though, they gathered a pile of anecdotes and confirmation bias.
 
2013-06-21 04:05:22 PM

JesseL: jaytkay: Yes. Gathering data is how people learn things.

Assuming it's actually data they're gathering, I agree.

In the case of the CDC dog bite stats though, they gathered a pile of anecdotes and confirmation bias.


And by "anecdotes and confirmation bias" you mean "results I do not like".
 
2013-06-21 04:06:14 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: OK, so I'm stupid.  WTF is a "DB Bar"?


Douchebag?
 
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