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2013-06-21 02:12:43 AM
"The pilot on the British Airways plane aborted take-off after hearing a loud bang."

Is hearing a noise the extent of technology to alert you that something might be wrong with part of your plane?
 
2013-06-21 02:21:29 AM

C18H27NO3: "The pilot on the British Airways plane aborted take-off after hearing a loud bang."

Is hearing a noise the extent of technology to alert you that something might be wrong with part of your plane?


No but the pilot is likely to hear the bang first, in this situation, before the warning lights appear on the FMS. In any event, reread the sentence you quoted and remember that "after" does not mean "because."
 
2013-06-21 02:21:50 AM

C18H27NO3: "The pilot on the British Airways plane aborted take-off after hearing a loud bang."

Is hearing a noise the extent of technology to alert you that something might be wrong with part of your plane?


To my understanding, more modern planes are also equipped with smoke generators. When a sensor in the electronic system finds something out of order, it turns on one of the redundant smoke generators. The pilot smells the smoke, knows something is wrong, and makes an emergency landing.
 
2013-06-21 02:22:10 AM
FTFA: "BA are investigating how it was missed during the final external pre-take off inspection. No one has been suspended over the blunder."

No farking kidding they're investigating. That is a major lapse on somebody's part. I'd guess just as soon as they decide whom it should've been caught by, there will be a suspension or more, because somebody was asleep on the job.
 
2013-06-21 02:22:21 AM
in baggage hold not so much, in the engine cowling, big deal
 
2013-06-21 02:22:54 AM

C18H27NO3: "The pilot on the British Airways plane aborted take-off after hearing a loud bang."

Is hearing a noise the extent of technology to alert you that something might be wrong with part of your plane?


It could be worse ...
 
2013-06-21 02:24:51 AM

C18H27NO3: "The pilot on the British Airways plane aborted take-off after hearing a loud bang."

Is hearing a noise the extent of technology to alert you that something might be wrong with part of your plane?


Of course not. But, hearing a loud unexpected noise gets your attention pretty quickly. If you are getting ready to leave in your car, and you hear a loud unexpected sound do you not stop to check it out? No, you pull over, grab the gun on the passenger seat, head to the trunk, and verify the hooker is in fact dead. You don't just keep going, that might lead to serious if not fatal issues.
 
2013-06-21 02:25:34 AM
They might just want to rethink their lax policy of allowing baggage handlers to leave stuff on engine cowlings.
 
2013-06-21 02:28:19 AM

SearchN: C18H27NO3: "The pilot on the British Airways plane aborted take-off after hearing a loud bang."

Is hearing a noise the extent of technology to alert you that something might be wrong with part of your plane?

Of course not. But, hearing a loud unexpected noise gets your attention pretty quickly. If you are getting ready to leave in your car, and you hear a loud unexpected sound do you not stop to check it out? No, you pull over, grab the gun on the passenger seat, head to the trunk, and verify the hooker is in fact dead. You don't just keep going, that might lead to serious if not fatal issues.


So you're saying they should have pulled the plane over long enough to see if all the hookers in the cargo hold were dead?

I think I see your line of thinking.
 
2013-06-21 02:32:09 AM
traylor:
To my understanding, more modern planes are also equipped with smoke generators. When a sensor in the electronic system finds something out of order, it turns on one of the redundant smoke generators. The pilot smells the smoke, knows something is wrong, and makes an emergency landing.

You have been misinformed; it is not a "smoke generator" but a "toke generator".  When something goes wrong on the plane a bong is immediately released from the overhead compartment and everyone takes a big hit and relaxes. This is why when things are really really bad on the flight deck there is a long, loud BONG to remind the flight crew to take their hit.

/for those who don't know a long BONG on some old planes was the signal for "all engines out".
 
2013-06-21 02:33:27 AM

strangeluck: SearchN: C18H27NO3: "The pilot on the British Airways plane aborted take-off after hearing a loud bang."

Is hearing a noise the extent of technology to alert you that something might be wrong with part of your plane?

Of course not. But, hearing a loud unexpected noise gets your attention pretty quickly. If you are getting ready to leave in your car, and you hear a loud unexpected sound do you not stop to check it out? No, you pull over, grab the gun on the passenger seat, head to the trunk, and verify the hooker is in fact dead. You don't just keep going, that might lead to serious if not fatal issues.

So you're saying they should have pulled the plane over long enough to see if all the hookers in the cargo hold were dead?

I think I see your line of thinking.


Safety first.
 
2013-06-21 02:37:18 AM

traylor: C18H27NO3: "The pilot on the British Airways plane aborted take-off after hearing a loud bang."

Is hearing a noise the extent of technology to alert you that something might be wrong with part of your plane?

To my understanding, more modern planes are also equipped with smoke generators. When a sensor in the electronic system finds something out of order, it turns on one of the redundant smoke generators. The pilot smells the smoke, knows something is wrong, and makes an emergency landing.


There's been some debate about the effectiveness of the smoke generators due to the fact that the aircraft's smoke detectors usually detect the smoke before the pilot, and then extinguish the generated smoke with automatic overhead sprinklers.  Naturally, this makes a mess of the in-flight beverage service, not to mention passenger's electronic devices.  I understand that the new Airbus planes have removed the smoke generators and replaced them with a taped loop sound system of high decibel Wilhelm screams.
 
2013-06-21 02:39:15 AM

traylor: more modern planes are also equipped with smoke generators.


After the ADA went into effect they had to install visual indicators to ensure a pilot's perception of odor would not put the flight at risk:

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2013-06-21 02:44:33 AM
I said 'my bad'!

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2013-06-21 02:44:37 AM

hammettman: I understand that the new Airbus planes have removed the smoke generators and replaced them with a taped loop sound system of high decibel Wilhelm screams.


Before di bus left off from where it did park
A man pon de bus go cut a smelly fart
Everybody get up and say them ah come off
To the driver had to wait, him nearly dead wit cough
True me come off fus, mi nearly dead wit laugh
Ah watch the people rush the door like harbour shark
 
2013-06-21 02:53:06 AM
Glad to know the company is handling it so well.
 
2013-06-21 02:56:05 AM
Ahem...

img.fark.net img.fark.net

My work revolves around a small barcode scanner. My shirts are all pocket Tees these days. If I had a bigger scanner I'd have a holster for it.

You'd think anything like this would be tethered and holstered for ramp workers. Oh, and maybe the first rule of preventing FOD is "don't use the engine as shelf".
 
2013-06-21 03:03:29 AM

worlddan: traylor:
To my understanding, more modern planes are also equipped with smoke generators. When a sensor in the electronic system finds something out of order, it turns on one of the redundant smoke generators. The pilot smells the smoke, knows something is wrong, and makes an emergency landing.

You have been misinformed; it is not a "smoke generator" but a "toke generator".  When something goes wrong on the plane a bong is immediately released from the overhead compartment and everyone takes a big hit and relaxes. This is why when things are really really bad on the flight deck there is a long, loud BONG to remind the flight crew to take their hit.

/for those who don't know a long BONG on some old planes was the signal for "all engines out".


img.fark.net

Dude, did you hear that?  Shhhh!  Listen!
 
2013-06-21 03:30:43 AM

strangeluck: SearchN: C18H27NO3: "The pilot on the British Airways plane aborted take-off after hearing a loud bang."

Is hearing a noise the extent of technology to alert you that something might be wrong with part of your plane?

Of course not. But, hearing a loud unexpected noise gets your attention pretty quickly. If you are getting ready to leave in your car, and you hear a loud unexpected sound do you not stop to check it out? No, you pull over, grab the gun on the passenger seat, head to the trunk, and verify the hooker is in fact dead. You don't just keep going, that might lead to serious if not fatal issues.

So you're saying they should have pulled the plane over long enough to see if all the hookers in the cargo hold were dead?

I think I see your line of thinking.


Absolutely. You get your deposit back on all of the dead ones you return to Bucharest. It's absolutely essential to keep the margins as low as possible for when you get a fresh batch to ship back to London. A live one in the mix can spoil the whole thing.
 
2013-06-21 03:48:41 AM

jtown: worlddan: traylor:
To my understanding, more modern planes are also equipped with smoke generators. When a sensor in the electronic system finds something out of order, it turns on one of the redundant smoke generators. The pilot smells the smoke, knows something is wrong, and makes an emergency landing.

You have been misinformed; it is not a "smoke generator" but a "toke generator".  When something goes wrong on the plane a bong is immediately released from the overhead compartment and everyone takes a big hit and relaxes. This is why when things are really really bad on the flight deck there is a long, loud BONG to remind the flight crew to take their hit.

/for those who don't know a long BONG on some old planes was the signal for "all engines out".

[img.fark.net image 600x450]

Dude, did you hear that?  Shhhh!  Listen!


Holy fark, what a retard. 211s?
 
2013-06-21 04:55:33 AM
"The baggage handler in question is mortified fired."

/was a baggage handler
//left a GPU cable plugged in while still attached to a tug
///was fired
 
2013-06-21 05:14:50 AM

mehtoole: "The baggage handler in question is mortified fired."

/was a baggage handler
//left a GPU cable plugged in while still attached to a tug
///was fired


Dunno, I smell something fishy.  And it's not me this time.

FTA:
The baggage handler had been using the metal gun earlier this month to ensure the correct bags were loaded.
He left it on the engine's cowling and forgot to pick it up again.

IF he gets fired, he shouldn't be the only one.

That's a long time to have a missing tool. In the military if your kit is missing so much as a drill bit, no one goes home until it is found.  No one.  Had to dumpster dive a time or two when someone accidently threw away a small tool with some dirty rags.

Sounds like a serious breech of protocol on multiple levels.

They typically check luggage by the engine?

Also, it sounds like it might be PR.  As if they made it out to be something irrelevant to them / their maintenance crews leaving a tool behind or otherwise failing via gross negligence(Ie missing an inspection, preflight and otherwise), etc.
 
2013-06-21 05:24:25 AM
so much ridicule for one mistake, that didnt cause any harm to anyone. everyone makes mistakes and i know not everyone here does their own job perfectly. you can say oh but what if this or what if that but in reality no one was hurt and everyone should be thankful for that. you dont know what is going on in that persons life or what happened at the moment to cause their lack of attention, so keep speculating.
 
2013-06-21 05:46:02 AM

omeganuepsilon: ...something fishy


The story sounds believable to me. Airlines are not nearly as well run as the military, which isn't saying a whole lot, really. I served in the military, too, and all sorts of horrific accidents took place regularly there, as well (not all of them caused by me). What might seem shocking is how one person's tiny mistake could cause such damage, but it's the nature of the beast. Airplanes are like testicles: even jostling them a bit can cause a great deal of pain and suffering. Yes, the airline should have had a better system in place, but my own experience tells me that none of them really do. They pay their people shiat wages for starters. The average pay for ramp agents barely exceeds minimum wage. And these are the same workers who perform supposed "security checks" on the planes when they clean them at night. Yes, the ones scrubbing the lavatory are the same ones looking for hidden weapons under seat cushions, all the while attempting to finish in a timely manner. It's appalling. My point is it's not all that surprising that scanners go missing, causing horrendous damage like this, and one guy takes the fall.

/probably he was stoned at the time
//more likely than you think
 
2013-06-21 07:14:11 AM

omeganuepsilon: Dunno, I smell something fishy.  And it's not me this time.

FTA:
The baggage handler had been using the metal gun earlier this month to ensure the correct bags were loaded.
He left it on the engine's cowling and forgot to pick it up again.

IF he gets fired, he shouldn't be the only one.

That's a long time to have a missing tool. In the military if your kit is missing so much as a drill bit, no one goes home until it is found.  No one.  Had to dumpster dive a time or two when someone accidently threw away a small tool with some dirty rags.


It means earlier this month, as in when the incident happened, not that the scanner had been sitting there since earlier in the month. Just a poorly worded article.
 
2013-06-21 08:18:17 AM

wildcardjack: Ahem...

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My work revolves around a small barcode scanner. My shirts are all pocket Tees these days. If I had a bigger scanner I'd have a holster for it.

You'd think anything like this would be tethered and holstered for ramp workers. Oh, and maybe the first rule of preventing FOD is "don't use the engine as shelf".


Ages ago when I worked on the ramp at MCAS Cherry Point, everything - and I mean everything - was tethered. If we had to take something past the danger line painted on the pavement, it had to be attached. Occasionally we had to take a tool that wasn't part of the normal TOE so we had little bits of cord with a loop on one end and a clip on the other. Pass the loop through the hanger hole on the tool, pass the clip through the loop, then attach the clip to your belt. I was a lowly civilian temp worker but even the senior techs lived in fear of being caught by an inspector with an un-tethered tool. It was easily worth a day's pay in fines.

If an aircraft needed something more than could be accomplished with belt tools, it was rolled back into the hangar. They were serious about FOD.

So I was a little bit surprised to find that not only are these guys using un-tethered tools, but they are dumb enough to sit it some place like a cowling.
 
2013-06-21 09:07:28 AM

wildcardjack: Ahem...

[img.fark.net image 394x400] [img.fark.net image 170x241]

My work revolves around a small barcode scanner. My shirts are all pocket Tees these days. If I had a bigger scanner I'd have a holster for it.

You'd think anything like this would be tethered and holstered for ramp workers. Oh, and maybe the first rule of preventing FOD is "don't use the engine as shelf".


Actually, it's "Do a proper FOD walk before turning on anything bigger than a bowser.", which should have caught a tool that had no business being there in the first place.

It likely can't be tethered to the baggage handler for safety reasons; if I were working with conveyor belts I would insist quite fiercely that a string with an object on the end of it not be part of my uniform.
 
2013-06-21 09:35:24 AM

OldManDownDRoad: So I was a little bit surprised to find that not only are these guys using un-tethered tools, but they are dumb enough to sit it some place like a cowling.


Never heard of tethering tools, we just have to inventory our tool box before we leave the plane. However putting anything in the engine cowling when you're not even working in that area should be second nature to anyone working around aircraft.
 
2013-06-21 09:39:26 AM
£4million damage for a laser jet scanner? I guess we now know why all the airlines use impact printers.
 
2013-06-21 10:05:11 AM

Flakeloaf: Do a proper FOD walk before turning on anything bigger than a bowser.


What's a bowser?

And no Mario references, please.  I got enough of those from google image search.
 
2013-06-21 10:29:28 AM
A new episode of "Will It Blend".
 
2013-06-21 10:34:42 AM

mehtoole: //more likely than you think


unpossible
 
2013-06-21 11:13:59 AM

airsupport: Flakeloaf: Do a proper FOD walk before turning on anything bigger than a bowser.

What's a bowser?

And no Mario references, please.  I got enough of those from google image search.


http://images.google.ca/search?tbm=isch&hl=en-CA&q=aircraft+bowser
 
2013-06-21 11:50:12 AM

Flakeloaf: airsupport: Flakeloaf: Do a proper FOD walk before turning on anything bigger than a bowser.

What's a bowser?

And no Mario references, please.  I got enough of those from google image search.

http://images.google.ca/search?tbm=isch&hl=en-CA&q=aircraft+bowser


http://images.google.ca/search?tbm=isch&hl=en-CA&q=thank+you&biw=192 0& bih=747&sei=DHbEUa-bKaaoywHu44C4Dg
 
2013-06-21 02:08:11 PM

omeganuepsilon: mehtoole: //more likely than you think

unpossible


Exxxxxactly....
 
2013-06-22 03:44:25 AM
Just because I'm bored, I decided to Google for the news item from other sources. Turns out a bunch of articles are saying it was £1 million in damage, while the Sun and a smaller number of articles are saying £4 million. That's a big difference, there.

Others also say the scanner was sucked into the engine only as it was powering up while they were pushing it back from the gate. Now that, I would believe, instead of the Sun's claim of an aborted take-off (which would seem more dramatic, but I'm not sure they even knew the terminology).
 
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