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2013-06-21 08:54:32 AM

thecpt: No mr Pullman, I won't go quietly into the night


The problem with Bill Pullman doing that speech was that I still saw him as Lone Star and expected Rick Moranis to come crashing through the crowd yelling about his schwartz.
 
2013-06-21 08:56:13 AM

dittybopper: The Native Americans invaded Europe first?

You must be confusing this sequel with the sequel to Avatard.


No no, flip it around, revenge metaphor flick

And yes Avatard was completely and utterly retarded in beating you over the head with metaphors.

No James Cameron, I will not feel purposely sympathetic because you pulled out every heart string in the orchestra. Take your cat people and go back to the bottom of the Mariana Trench
 
2013-06-21 08:56:42 AM

theorellior: HotWingConspiracy: I hope Jeff Goldblum reprises his role as Jeff Goldblum.

If there is one thing the history of movies has taught us it's that Jeff Goldblum will not be contained. Jeff Goldblum breaks free, he expands to new territories and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously, but, uh... well, there it is. I'm, I'm simply saying that Jeff Goldblum, uh... finds a way.


That's just beautiful.  Bravo.
 
2013-06-21 08:56:55 AM

Digitalstrange: What part of "telepathic species" didn't people get? Information security would be an alien concept to them. It's one of the stupidest knocks on ID4. Goldblum didn't have to learn to "program in an alien language" the aliens bridged the communications to take our satellites over and since they were telepathic they had no informational security, thus the simplest replicating virus ever made would be devastating (kinda like the Martians being destroyed by simple earth virus that humans are immune to) to them.


You know, you make a perfect argument here, except for the fact that you can clearly see the Macbook negotiating with the remote server and gaining access. Telepathic communication or not, they still managed to invent the TCP/IP stack and AppleTalk.
 
2013-06-21 08:58:00 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: mat catastrophe: rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.

Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.

So a metaphor for Native Americans, wonderful


No that's out this November starring Harrison Ford and Ben Kingsley
 
2013-06-21 09:00:33 AM

dittybopper: machoprogrammer: There are other science-related gaffes (i.e. the size of the mothership would fark up quite a few things if it was 1/4 the mass of the moon)

As I recall, it was 1/4 the *SIZE* of the moon, not 1/4 the mass.  Remember, it was largely hollow.

But that does bring up another point:  Unless it causes a runaway reaction in whatever power source the aliens are using, there is no way a nuclear bomb that is at most a couple megatons (and more likely a few hundred kilotons) is going to completely destroy something that big.  I suppose, if they were using matter/anti-matter reaction, and the bomb shut off the containment, it could happen, but you couldn't *PLAN* for that.


IIRC, it wasn't so much the bomb that did it. It was the bomb going off and setting off other explosions among
the aliens' tech that did it.

Or not. Who knows.

/ Kick the tires and light the fires, Big Daddy!
 
2013-06-21 09:01:25 AM
i always explain when people say "Oh great how convenient the laptop can interface with the alien mothership!" they just needed a quick scene where Will Smith asks Jeff Goldblum how in the world would this even be remotely compatible? and Brent Spiner say " Where do you think computers came from?" and point to the crashed alien craft with a smirk
 
2013-06-21 09:03:24 AM

moothemagiccow: No that's out this November starring Harrison Ford and Ben Kingsley


I love Ben Kingsley, took that whole any job is a job quite literally.
 
2013-06-21 09:06:38 AM
Independence Day: It was cheesy, cliche, campy, absurd, etc. . . . and I loved it.
 
2013-06-21 09:08:49 AM
Screw you guys, I liked ID4. Not sure that we need another one though especially almost 20 years after the first.
 
2013-06-21 09:09:15 AM

RaiderFanMikeP: i always explain when people say "Oh great how convenient the laptop can interface with the alien mothership!" they just needed a quick scene where Will Smith asks Jeff Goldblum how in the world would this even be remotely compatible? and Brent Spiner say " Where do you think computers came from?" and point to the crashed alien craft with a smirk


They cut a lot of scenes from that movie that helped explain a few of those plot details. (I watched the extended cut.) I can't remember if there was a scene that explained how Goldblum was able to do that, but one throwaway line would have done all the work.

ID4 was a great movie...for 1996. It was one of the last movies I stood in line for, and it was back when big movies like that would sell out and you either waited five hours or came back another day. It was a great film to see with a sellout crowd and a true pop culture phenomenon. That said, it doesn't exactly hold up now, but I won't deny absolutely loving it back then,
 
2013-06-21 09:11:49 AM
the long-awaited follow-up

Um, by who?

The entire species of the offenders was genocided out of existence and every bit of technology they possessed deprived permanently of power just in case one of them survived at the end of the first movie, it never actually occurred to me that a sequel was even possible, let alone desirable.

//Maybe I paid too much attention if I remember that about all the power being broadcast from the mothership, but c'mon, it was kind of a major plot point early in the movie.
 
2013-06-21 09:12:23 AM
It'll be interesting to see if they show any of the wasteland Houston became after they tried nukes. It'll give them an excuse to film in Houston and clean the place up a little to portray a town that got hit by a nuke. HEYOOOOOOO!
 
2013-06-21 09:14:40 AM

RaiderFanMikeP: i always explain when people say "Oh great how convenient the laptop can interface with the alien mothership!" they just needed a quick scene where Will Smith asks Jeff Goldblum how in the world would this even be remotely compatible? and Brent Spiner say " Where do you think computers came from?" and point to the crashed alien craft with a smirk


Someone told me an exchange like that is in the deleted scenes. If that's true, that's something they should have left in.
 
2013-06-21 09:17:24 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: mat catastrophe: rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.

Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.

So a metaphor for Native Americans, wonderful


No, Kubrick covered that with "The Shining".
 
2013-06-21 09:17:51 AM

Jim_Callahan: it never actually occurred to me that a sequel was even possible


A sequel is always possible. See Highlander, one of the most inherently sequel-resistant movies ever.
 
2013-06-21 09:18:17 AM

Mugato: RaiderFanMikeP: i always explain when people say "Oh great how convenient the laptop can interface with the alien mothership!" they just needed a quick scene where Will Smith asks Jeff Goldblum how in the world would this even be remotely compatible? and Brent Spiner say " Where do you think computers came from?" and point to the crashed alien craft with a smirk

Someone told me an exchange like that is in the deleted scenes. If that's true, that's something they should have left in.


I heard that, too. And agree. It may be on YouTube somewhere but I'm at work.
 
2013-06-21 09:21:56 AM

Mugato: Someone told me an exchange like that is in the deleted scenes. If that's true, that's something they should have left in.


Close, its a seven minute sequence of Gold working inside the ship with Spiner on the computer and recognizing the code as the same for when he picked up the signal, then making a remark about how similar it is to coding he's done on his computer THEN Spiner remarks 'where do you think computers come from'

It's on the extended release DVD
 
2013-06-21 09:31:47 AM
 
2013-06-21 09:35:08 AM

rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.


Chances are every the large amounts of exotic technology that crashes to earth would cause ecological issues and disease. Everyone dies just slower than from laser explosions.
 
2013-06-21 09:35:42 AM

Jim_Callahan: the long-awaited follow-up

Um, by who?

The entire species of the offenders was genocided out of existence and every bit of technology they possessed deprived permanently of power just in case one of them survived at the end of the first movie, it never actually occurred to me that a sequel was even possible, let alone desirable.

//Maybe I paid too much attention if I remember that about all the power being broadcast from the mothership, but c'mon, it was kind of a major plot point early in the movie.


Your assumption is that the mothership that came to Earf is the only one in existence.  If they truly were like locusts, it would be foolish to assume that was the only one out there.

For all we know, there are more out there, and they could have been in communication with each other.  That would actually be a good idea, for several reasons:

1. It prevents conflicts between motherships both arriving at a planet at roughly the same time.

2. It prevents Mothership B from wasting time traveling to a planet that Mothership A has already raped the shiat out of.

3. It would act as a sort of 'early warning' system:  If communication from Mothership A suddenly stops, then all the motherships in the 'neighborhood' are going to know something bad happened, and can either investigate or avoid that system.

For a 20 year timespan, that other mothership would have to be within 10 light years, though.  There are 8 stars within that distance, and if you 'cheat' a little and open the time frame up to 30 years, there are 44 stars within that distance,
 
2013-06-21 09:41:28 AM

theorellior: Digitalstrange: What part of "telepathic species" didn't people get? Information security would be an alien concept to them. It's one of the stupidest knocks on ID4. Goldblum didn't have to learn to "program in an alien language" the aliens bridged the communications to take our satellites over and since they were telepathic they had no informational security, thus the simplest replicating virus ever made would be devastating (kinda like the Martians being destroyed by simple earth virus that humans are immune to) to them.

You know, you make a perfect argument here, except for the fact that you can clearly see the Macbook negotiating with the remote server and gaining access. Telepathic communication or not, they still managed to invent the TCP/IP stack and AppleTalk.


All of which he did without any passwords. TCP/IP isn't inherently secure, you have to add the encryption which wouldn't be something a telepathic species would think of
 
2013-06-21 09:42:28 AM

mat catastrophe: rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.

Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.


Don't worry, we'll see that movie soon enough.
 
2013-06-21 09:43:54 AM
How telepathic could they be if they had to use earth's satellites to communicate?
 
2013-06-21 09:49:16 AM

dittybopper: theorellior: HotWingConspiracy: I hope Jeff Goldblum reprises his role as Jeff Goldblum.

If there is one thing the history of movies has taught us it's that Jeff Goldblum will not be contained. Jeff Goldblum breaks free, he expands to new territories and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously, but, uh... well, there it is. I'm, I'm simply saying that Jeff Goldblum, uh... finds a way.

That's just beautiful.  Bravo.


*Wipes away tear*

+eleventy billion
 
2013-06-21 09:51:01 AM

Alphax: rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.

Sounds like they're skipping forward a few decades, so we'll get an Earth who had some time to rebuild, and reverse engineer alien tech, before the alien reinforcements show up.  I'm a bit sceptical about how well this'll be done.



I wonder how they are going to play the environmental factor. All that material getting burnt up in Earf's upper atmosphere  had to have some kind of effect on insolation levels, all of the large impacts (the mother-ship had the mass of 1/6 of the moon), and the effects of having that many major metropolitan areas burning has got to have played havok with the environment.
 
2013-06-21 09:51:26 AM

Digitalstrange: rewind2846:  advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?),


What part of "telepathic species" didn't people get? Information security would be an alien concept to them. It's one of the stupidest knocks on ID4. Goldblum didn't have to learn to "program in an alien language" the aliens bridged the communications to take our satellites over and since they were telepathic they had no informational security, thus the simplest replicating virus ever made would be devastating (kinda like the Martians being destroyed by simple earth virus that humans are immune to) to them.

 mat catastrophe: Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.

They were home, they destroyed their world and moved on with their whole society in that mother ship.

considering that the earths ecosystem was once radically altered by one big asteroid hitting Earth, I'd say 15 "Asteroids" filled with unknown energy sources crashing on it would've rendered Earth uninhabitable within days of the end of ID4 so any sequel is rendered stupid and implausible from the very start.

I am one of the few who will admit that ID4 was a pretty good cheesy popcorn action flick that holds together pretty well (as I say if you ignore the fact that the "saviors" really just ensured we die free, not really saved the Earth) but I will be saying no to any sequel.



I think there's a difference in an asteroid moving at the speeds it does through space smashing into the earth at speed and ships already in gravity falling a few hunder/ thousand feet onto the earth in terms of destructive power.
 
2013-06-21 09:51:50 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Mugato: Someone told me an exchange like that is in the deleted scenes. If that's true, that's something they should have left in.

Close, its a seven minute sequence of Gold working inside the ship with Spiner on the computer and recognizing the code as the same for when he picked up the signal, then making a remark about how similar it is to coding he's done on his computer THEN Spiner remarks 'where do you think computers come from'

It's on the extended release DVD


They could've cleared it up so much easier, when he proposed the big idea add this dialogue to the SecDef's shrill arguments

SecDef: How do you expect to learn to code a virus in an alien language?

Goldblum: I don't have to, they bridged communications with our systems to take over our satellites.

SecDef: and your just counting on then not having updated their antivirus lately?

Goldblum: They are a hive mind, they don't know what antivirus is.


Clears up the whole thing with less than 20 secs of dialogue
 
2013-06-21 09:54:08 AM

rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.


No no no. That would be too smart for Roland Hackerich. No, it will just be "THE ALIENS ARE BACK AGAIN AND THEY ARE PISSED!!!"
 
2013-06-21 09:58:14 AM

Digitalstrange: theorellior: Digitalstrange: What part of "telepathic species" didn't people get? Information security would be an alien concept to them. It's one of the stupidest knocks on ID4. Goldblum didn't have to learn to "program in an alien language" the aliens bridged the communications to take our satellites over and since they were telepathic they had no informational security, thus the simplest replicating virus ever made would be devastating (kinda like the Martians being destroyed by simple earth virus that humans are immune to) to them.

You know, you make a perfect argument here, except for the fact that you can clearly see the Macbook negotiating with the remote server and gaining access. Telepathic communication or not, they still managed to invent the TCP/IP stack and AppleTalk.

All of which he did without any passwords. TCP/IP isn't inherently secure, you have to add the encryption which wouldn't be something a telepathic species would think of


How exactly would a telepathic species utilize passwords?
 
2013-06-21 10:01:30 AM

moothemagiccow: rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.

You want to watch Robotech?


I know I do.
I figure since the avenue is wide open by now, they can just go ahead and rape all the rest of the stuff I liked as a kid.
 
2013-06-21 10:02:20 AM

Mugato: RaiderFanMikeP: i always explain when people say "Oh great how convenient the laptop can interface with the alien mothership!" they just needed a quick scene where Will Smith asks Jeff Goldblum how in the world would this even be remotely compatible? and Brent Spiner say " Where do you think computers came from?" and point to the crashed alien craft with a smirk

Someone told me an exchange like that is in the deleted scenes. If that's true, that's something they should have left in.


It doesn't even have to be like that.

Goldblum figured out through basic analysis of the signal that it was a count-down of some kind.   That means that he effectively figured out how they code their numbers.  That's a very big leap.

The people at Area 51 had an alien computer on the spacecraft that crashed back in the 1950's, but they couldn't do any actual testing on them until the spacecraft "woke up" when the mothership arrived.

Put those two things together, combined with a team of very intelligent people, and it's plausible that you could write a simple malicious computer virus in a day or so.  For example, this is a notional 'virus' from a computer game called "Core Wars".  All it does is copy itself, eventually filling up the allotted memory:

;redcode
;name Imp
;author A.K. Dewdney
;assert 1

imp     mov imp,imp+1
           end imp


The bolded text is the actual operative code.

All that does is copy itself to the next available memory address, then transfer control to that copy, which then does the same thing.  All you need to do is know how to increment (ie., add), and how to copy.

My 9 year old son could code something like that.
 
2013-06-21 10:03:21 AM

thecpt: One of the best motivational speeches ever.

No mr Pullman, I won't go quietly into the night


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 10:07:58 AM

Digitalstrange: Clears up the whole thing with less than 20 secs of dialogue


Remember, this was the 90's when Hollywood was at least attempting to get all high tech and shiat when introducing technology into the story and very often they got it horribly wrong. Remember this is the same year we got The Rock, Mission Impossible, and Broken Arrow.
 
2013-06-21 10:11:04 AM

Mugato: How telepathic could they be if they had to use earth's satellites to communicate?


Short range telepathic ability ain't gonna help you coordinate your actions with other ships on the other side of the planet.

You've got to assume that whatever telepathic ability they have doesn't break the laws of physics, so the inverse square law comes into effect.  A few milliwatts of power transmitting your thoughts isn't going to have much range, no matter how it's transmitted.

Plus, as a practical matter, it *HAS* to be short range.  Consider how difficult it would be to communicate with a specific person if you could hear every single conversation for miles.
 
2013-06-21 10:11:13 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Digitalstrange: Clears up the whole thing with less than 20 secs of dialogue

Remember, this was the 90's when Hollywood was at least attempting to get all high tech and shiat when introducing technology into the story and very often they got it horribly wrong. Remember this is the same year we got The Rock, Mission Impossible, and Broken Arrow.


Say what you will about Bay's other films but The Rock was pretty good.
 
2013-06-21 10:11:21 AM

mat catastrophe: rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.

Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.


So they're finally making Ender's Game?
 
2013-06-21 10:17:30 AM
Unlike the original then, which came two days early?
 
mhd
2013-06-21 10:19:28 AM

Captain Meatsack: So they're finally making Ender's Game?


That would be two hours of whiny gym scenes, half an hour of blogging tweens and 15 minutes of Ender using the genocide app.

/and it's coming out in November, IIRC
 
2013-06-21 10:22:24 AM

aedude01: Say what you will about Bay's other films but The Rock was pretty good.


Rock had this weird good vibe to it, even if Connery was basically mailing it in
 
2013-06-21 10:24:01 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Remember this is the same year we got The Rock, Mission Impossible, and Broken Arrow.


Even though it's cheesey as hell and I hate both Slater and Travolta, I enjoyed the hell out of "Broken Arrow". I have no idea why, but John Woo worked magic for me.
 
2013-06-21 10:27:30 AM

give me doughnuts: I wonder how they are going to play the environmental factor. All that material getting burnt up in Earf's upper atmosphere had to have some kind of effect on insolation levels, all of the large impacts (the mother-ship had the mass of 1/6 of the moon), and the effects of having that many major metropolitan areas burning has got to have played havok with the environment.


Not to mention the addition of so much mass to the Earth will noticeably change the pull of gravity. Probably a 3-4% change, which sounds small but will affect all sorts of things, from the Moon to satellites to weather to core convection to ocean currents and tides to species interactions.
 
2013-06-21 10:31:31 AM

baufan2005: Of.course Jayden Smith will have to have a major part in it I bet.


The way Smif and his butch wife operate nowadays you can bet your ass they're trying to cram their kids up the ass of this production. With a healthy hidden dose of Sciento propaganda worked in for good measure.
 
2013-06-21 10:32:56 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: aedude01: Say what you will about Bay's other films but The Rock was pretty good.

Rock had this weird good vibe to it, even if Connery was basically mailing it in


The Rock was before Bay went batshiat insane with his films. There were only a couple of explosions and only one 360 degree low level tracking shot that I can recall. Ed Harris was pretty good and Connery was kind of badass.

Something snapped in Bay somewhere in the 2 years between The Rock and Armageddon.
 
2013-06-21 10:40:12 AM

Mugato: Something snapped in Bay somewhere in the 2 years between The Rock and Armageddon.


He figured out the formula that in general the American viewing public are idiots when it comes to cinema

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 10:45:35 AM
Is this where the aliens return to try to reconquer the world, only to be stopped by the once-thought-dead First Lady and her ragtag fugitive Fleet?
 
2013-06-21 11:12:59 AM

theorellior: give me doughnuts: I wonder how they are going to play the environmental factor. All that material getting burnt up in Earf's upper atmosphere had to have some kind of effect on insolation levels, all of the large impacts (the mother-ship had the mass of 1/6 of the moon), and the effects of having that many major metropolitan areas burning has got to have played havok with the environment.

Not to mention the addition of so much mass to the Earth will noticeably change the pull of gravity. Probably a 3-4% change, which sounds small but will affect all sorts of things, from the Moon to satellites to weather to core convection to ocean currents and tides to species interactions.


Not all of the mass of the mothership would be added to the Earth.  In fact, only a fraction of it would be.  The overwhelming majority of the material would be blasted away from the earth at greater than escape velocity.

If we assume the mothership had a mass 1/6th that of the moon, that would mean it weighed the equivalent of ( 1.23% / 6 ) = 0.205% the mass of the earth.

The gravity on the moon is only 16.5% that of earth, so 1/6th of that would equal  2.75% of earth gravity.  For most people, it would be barely noticeable.

That's assuming 100% of the mass of the mothership ends up on Earth, which isn't actually what would happen.  Probably, at the very most, 1/3rd of the mass of the mothership would end up on Earth.  So actually that 1/6th would be 1/18th, so the additional gravity would actually be 16.5%/18 = 0.9%, something you could measure, but I doubt that anyone would be able to physically notice.

Calculating it differently, the moon weighs 7.3477 × 1022 kg , so 1/18th of that would be 4.0804 x 1021 kg added to the mass of the Earth (5.9736×1024 kg), so the total weight of the Earth afterwards would be 5.9777 x 1024 kg, an increase in Earth mass of .07%.

Plugging those numbers into a gravitational acceleration calculator, I get 9.7982514675783 m/s2for Earth without the extra mass, and 9.8049765296877 m/s2for Earth with the extra mass, an increase of just 0.1%.

Something you could measure, but not something you'd notice in everyday life.
 
2013-06-21 11:18:07 AM

dittybopper: Something you could measure, but not something you'd notice in everyday life.


Been awhile since I've seen it, but even 1/3 is over estimating it since it appears most of the ship is vaporized in the explosion
 
2013-06-21 11:18:54 AM
My impression of the movie:

"Hey, let's secretly show up and drive in the Indy 500 with this tech we found--think anyone will notice?"


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2013-06-21 11:19:50 AM
Yay! another propaganda film.
 
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