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(HitFix)   'Independence Day 2: Electric Boogaloo' coming to theaters one day early   (hitfix.com) divider line 140
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2013-06-21 12:20:20 AM
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm more looking forward to 3D Untitled Illumination Entertainment 2015 Project .
 
2013-06-21 01:07:34 AM
It's really just going to be the same basic thing as Untitled Illumination Entertainment 2010 Project, except with slightly better CGI and things popping out at you for no reason.
 
2013-06-21 01:45:49 AM

serial_crusher: It's really just going to be the same basic thing as Untitled Illumination Entertainment 2010 Project, except with slightly better CGI and things popping out at you for no reason.


Stop being such a cynic.  Thank God the internet wasn't around for Untitled Illumination Entertainment 1985 Project.
 
2013-06-21 01:50:32 AM
Welcome back to earf.
 
2013-06-21 02:04:53 AM
Independence Day was a fluke. Emmerich's work since then has proven that he's a total hack. The Day After Tomorrow? Pure crapola.
 
2013-06-21 04:56:10 AM

Two Dogs Farking: Independence Day was a fluke. Emmerich's work since then has proven that he's a total hack. The Day After Tomorrow? Pure crapola.


My sarcasm detector isn't working lately. Are you suggesting that Independence Day was a good movie?
 
2013-06-21 05:24:33 AM
It was at least mildly amusing, compared to the garbage he's produced since then (I'm looking at you, Godzilla). IIRC it was also his biggest box-office success.

I don't consider it a good movie, however.
 
2013-06-21 05:37:57 AM
I think it's a horrible movie

but....I do...kinda...sorta...enjoy the first alien fighters vs jet fighters battle. I don't know why, but I really like that part. Then the moment Will Smith ejects and his plane explodes, I hate the movie again.
 
2013-06-21 05:39:14 AM
Oh, and  The Day After Tomorrow was not only pure crapola, but it actually angered me at just how pure and refined he was able to make the crapola.
 
2013-06-21 06:52:19 AM
Independence Day 2 is just going to be 125 minutes of dogs jumping away from explosions at the last second in slow motion.
 
2013-06-21 06:58:42 AM

Mentat: Stop being such a cynic.  Thank God the internet wasn't around for Untitled Illumination Entertainment 1985 Project.


img.fark.net
"I wonder what it was like..."

img.fark.net
"Denim...denim everywhere."

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 06:59:32 AM

log_jammin: I think it's a horrible movie

but....I do...kinda...sorta...enjoy the first alien fighters vs jet fighters battle. I don't know why, but I really like that part. Then the moment Will Smith ejects and his plane explodes, I hate the movie again.


Too bad whenever I would find the movie on cable, it's well past that part.
 
2013-06-21 07:03:23 AM
I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.
 
2013-06-21 07:03:46 AM
Replace Independence Day or Pearl Harbor, Roland Emmerich or Michael Bay, Will Smith for Ben Affleck and Adam Baldwin for Cuba Gooding and there you have it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pM8PrqY5Rg
 
2013-06-21 07:04:31 AM
Is the plot of ID2, how people burn down the NSA, destroy PRISM, arrest and prosecute bankers, congressmen and senators for their crimes against the nation, and dismantled the TSA and Patriot Act? Because that would be popular I think.
 
2013-06-21 07:05:16 AM

log_jammin: I think it's a horrible movie

but....I do...kinda...sorta...enjoy the first alien fighters vs jet fighters battle. I don't know why, but I really like that part. Then the moment Will Smith ejects and his plane explodes, I hate the movie again.


I agree with this statement and will admit to watching that scene if I am flipping through the channels.

/No Randy Quaid not a good movie.
 
2013-06-21 07:06:38 AM

rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.


Sounds like they're skipping forward a few decades, so we'll get an Earth who had some time to rebuild, and reverse engineer alien tech, before the alien reinforcements show up.  I'm a bit sceptical about how well this'll be done.
 
2013-06-21 07:11:21 AM

rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.


You want to watch Robotech?
 
2013-06-21 07:17:10 AM

Mentat: I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm more looking forward to 3D Untitled Illumination Entertainment 2015 Project .


Dude, I've already put it on my calendar as a "must see"
 
2013-06-21 07:23:06 AM

moothemagiccow: rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.

You want to watch Robotech?


Speaking of Pacific Rim...
 
2013-06-21 07:29:09 AM

JerseyTim: Independence Day 2 is just going to be 125 minutes of dogs jumping away from explosions at the last second in slow motion.


Sounds good.

They could go interesting. Go plus 30 years and humanity has reverse engineered the tech and launched a few ships and we go after them. Or it turns out that the lizard overlords really cracked down on the population and they need to overthrow the alien overlords. I mean, at the end of the movie they barely had a means of taking out the invasion ships, loads of aliens would have survived. Heck, did they kill ALL the ships?
 
2013-06-21 07:35:58 AM

rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 07:37:25 AM

rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.


I've always wanted to see an "aftermath" movie for a serial killer/monster/etc.. movie.

"I'm Officer Johnson and...what? a human body can't fit in a hole that small! what do you mean it had a mouth on the end of a tentacle??? have you been using drugs ma'am? wait...so where are your friends again? ma'am I think you need to come to the station with us..."
 
2013-06-21 07:38:32 AM

wildcardjack: JerseyTim: Independence Day 2 is just going to be 125 minutes of dogs jumping away from explosions at the last second in slow motion.

Sounds good.

They could go interesting. Go plus 30 years and humanity has reverse engineered the tech and launched a few ships and we go after them. Or it turns out that the lizard overlords really cracked down on the population and they need to overthrow the alien overlords. I mean, at the end of the movie they barely had a means of taking out the invasion ships, loads of aliens would have survived. Heck, did they kill ALL the ships?


An earlier article suggested that the invaders got off a distress signal, and their reinforcements left home as soon as they got it.. but due to time dialation in hyperspace, a few months travel for them was a few decades of time on Earth.
 
2013-06-21 07:41:34 AM
Considering the Brent Spiner cameo was the only 2 minutes of that movie that didn't lovingly lick the sweat off of swollen gorilla testicles, I think I'll pass.
 
2013-06-21 07:46:58 AM
moothemagiccow:
That's what I want to see.

You want to watch Robotech?


As long as we get to hear MInmei sing, yes.
 
2013-06-21 07:47:15 AM
I hope Jeff Goldblum reprises his role as Jeff Goldblum.
 
2013-06-21 07:49:32 AM
Highly anticipated?

Really?
 
2013-06-21 07:50:51 AM

log_jammin: I think it's a horrible movie

but....I do...kinda...sorta...enjoy the first alien fighters vs jet fighters battle. I don't know why, but I really like that part. Then the moment Will Smith ejects and his plane explodes, I hate the movie again.


It's not that bad.

I'm not saying it's a cinematic tour-de-force, but for what it is (a big budget popcorn flick), it's actually not that bad.  It's a nice twist on the "virus kills the aliens" from War Of The Worlds, and yes, if you can figure out how they actually represent numbers (which Goldblum figures out fairly early), and you have an operable example of their computers (in the form of the alien craft at Area 51), you can do black box testing to figure out what individual instructions do.  A simple "Jump X spaces and copy yourself" type of virus would be easy enough to implement against an opponent that doesn't have any internal software protections.

Because the aliens have a hive-sort of mindset, it might never occur to them that they need the equivalent of McAfee software on their computers, because none of them would be writing malicious code.  Their security has a hard, crunchy exterior but a soft, chewy center.
 
2013-06-21 07:56:28 AM
Please don't let Will Smith drag his non-acting kids into it!
 
2013-06-21 07:58:03 AM

dittybopper: log_jammin: I think it's a horrible movie

but....I do...kinda...sorta...enjoy the first alien fighters vs jet fighters battle. I don't know why, but I really like that part. Then the moment Will Smith ejects and his plane explodes, I hate the movie again.

It's not that bad.

I'm not saying it's a cinematic tour-de-force, but for what it is (a big budget popcorn flick), it's actually not that bad.  It's a nice twist on the "virus kills the aliens" from War Of The Worlds, and yes, if you can figure out how they actually represent numbers (which Goldblum figures out fairly early), and you have an operable example of their computers (in the form of the alien craft at Area 51), you can do black box testing to figure out what individual instructions do.  A simple "Jump X spaces and copy yourself" type of virus would be easy enough to implement against an opponent that doesn't have any internal software protections.

Because the aliens have a hive-sort of mindset, it might never occur to them that they need the equivalent of McAfee software on their computers, because none of them would be writing malicious code.  Their security has a hard, crunchy exterior but a soft, chewy center.


This. Plus, even if they did have an anti-virus, it doesn't mean it would catch the one Goldblum's character wrote. It actually isn't that implausible.

There are other science-related gaffes (i.e. the size of the mothership would fark up quite a few things if it was 1/4 the mass of the moon), but that was not one of them
 
2013-06-21 08:00:29 AM

Alphax: wildcardjack: JerseyTim: Independence Day 2 is just going to be 125 minutes of dogs jumping away from explosions at the last second in slow motion.

Sounds good.

They could go interesting. Go plus 30 years and humanity has reverse engineered the tech and launched a few ships and we go after them. Or it turns out that the lizard overlords really cracked down on the population and they need to overthrow the alien overlords. I mean, at the end of the movie they barely had a means of taking out the invasion ships, loads of aliens would have survived. Heck, did they kill ALL the ships?

An earlier article suggested that the invaders got off a distress signal, and their reinforcements left home as soon as they got it.. but due to time dialation in hyperspace, a few months travel for them was a few decades of time on Earth.


They don't even have actually explicitly send a distress signal.

If you are in reasonably close contact with the home world or main fleet or whatever, and all of a sudden you stop sending progress updates, the other alienses are going to know something really bad happened, and they'll probably want to investigate.
 
2013-06-21 08:01:19 AM

c-ment: Please don't let Will Smith drag his non-acting kids into it!


I pimp my kids like a whore
I pimp my kids like a whore
I pimp my kids like a whore
I pimp my kids like a whore.
 
2013-06-21 08:01:20 AM

Bslim: Highly anticipated?

Really?


I guess the producers are.
 
2013-06-21 08:02:14 AM

dittybopper: Alphax: wildcardjack: JerseyTim: Independence Day 2 is just going to be 125 minutes of dogs jumping away from explosions at the last second in slow motion.

Sounds good.

They could go interesting. Go plus 30 years and humanity has reverse engineered the tech and launched a few ships and we go after them. Or it turns out that the lizard overlords really cracked down on the population and they need to overthrow the alien overlords. I mean, at the end of the movie they barely had a means of taking out the invasion ships, loads of aliens would have survived. Heck, did they kill ALL the ships?

An earlier article suggested that the invaders got off a distress signal, and their reinforcements left home as soon as they got it.. but due to time dialation in hyperspace, a few months travel for them was a few decades of time on Earth.

They don't even have actually explicitly send a distress signal.

If you are in reasonably close contact with the home world or main fleet or whatever, and all of a sudden you stop sending progress updates, the other alienses are going to know something really bad happened, and they'll probably want to investigate.


That's one thing that bothered me about District 9. Why no rescue?
 
2013-06-21 08:06:56 AM
I wave my hair back and forth
 
2013-06-21 08:07:47 AM

machoprogrammer: There are other science-related gaffes (i.e. the size of the mothership would fark up quite a few things if it was 1/4 the mass of the moon)


As I recall, it was 1/4 the *SIZE* of the moon, not 1/4 the mass.  Remember, it was largely hollow.

But that does bring up another point:  Unless it causes a runaway reaction in whatever power source the aliens are using, there is no way a nuclear bomb that is at most a couple megatons (and more likely a few hundred kilotons) is going to completely destroy something that big.  I suppose, if they were using matter/anti-matter reaction, and the bomb shut off the containment, it could happen, but you couldn't *PLAN* for that.
 
2013-06-21 08:14:27 AM

rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.


I'd like to think that 'District 9' is the sequel. Those enormous ships crashed,but that doesn't necessarily mean they all died.
We wouldn't be genocidal the way there were (I think), so...welcome to your shantytown, Prawn!
 
2013-06-21 08:14:35 AM
One of the best motivational speeches ever.

No mr Pullman, I won't go quietly into the night
 
2013-06-21 08:27:02 AM

rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.


Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.
 
2013-06-21 08:33:38 AM

log_jammin: I think it's a horrible movie

but....I do...kinda...sorta...enjoy the first alien fighters vs jet fighters battle. I don't know why, but I really like that part. Then the moment Will Smith ejects and his plane explodes, I hate the movie again.


This
 
2013-06-21 08:34:29 AM
The surviving aliens become citizens and take over the Republican Party. Same value system after all.
 
2013-06-21 08:40:37 AM
"...is yet on board for the  long awaited sequel..."

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 08:40:41 AM
Of.course Jayden Smith will have to have a major part in it I bet.
 
2013-06-21 08:49:49 AM

mat catastrophe: rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.

Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.


So a metaphor for Native Americans, wonderful
 
2013-06-21 08:52:04 AM

mat catastrophe: Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.


You know, I wouldn't have any sympathy for them.  Classic self-defense, writ large.  They came here first with the intent to wipe us out.
 
2013-06-21 08:52:53 AM

HotWingConspiracy: I hope Jeff Goldblum reprises his role as Jeff Goldblum.


If there is one thing the history of movies has taught us it's that Jeff Goldblum will not be contained. Jeff Goldblum breaks free, he expands to new territories and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously, but, uh... well, there it is. I'm, I'm simply saying that Jeff Goldblum, uh... finds a way.
 
2013-06-21 08:53:22 AM

rewind2846:  advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?),


What part of "telepathic species" didn't people get? Information security would be an alien concept to them. It's one of the stupidest knocks on ID4. Goldblum didn't have to learn to "program in an alien language" the aliens bridged the communications to take our satellites over and since they were telepathic they had no informational security, thus the simplest replicating virus ever made would be devastating (kinda like the Martians being destroyed by simple earth virus that humans are immune to) to them.

 mat catastrophe: Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.


They were home, they destroyed their world and moved on with their whole society in that mother ship.

considering that the earths ecosystem was once radically altered by one big asteroid hitting Earth, I'd say 15 "Asteroids" filled with unknown energy sources crashing on it would've rendered Earth uninhabitable within days of the end of ID4 so any sequel is rendered stupid and implausible from the very start.

I am one of the few who will admit that ID4 was a pretty good cheesy popcorn action flick that holds together pretty well (as I say if you ignore the fact that the "saviors" really just ensured we die free, not really saved the Earth) but I will be saying no to any sequel.
 
2013-06-21 08:53:25 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.

So a metaphor for Native Americans, wonderful


The Native Americans invaded Europe first?

You must be confusing this sequel with the sequel to Avatard.
 
2013-06-21 08:54:15 AM

dittybopper: machoprogrammer: There are other science-related gaffes (i.e. the size of the mothership would fark up quite a few things if it was 1/4 the mass of the moon)

As I recall, it was 1/4 the *SIZE* of the moon, not 1/4 the mass.  Remember, it was largely hollow.

But that does bring up another point:  Unless it causes a runaway reaction in whatever power source the aliens are using, there is no way a nuclear bomb that is at most a couple megatons (and more likely a few hundred kilotons) is going to completely destroy something that big.  I suppose, if they were using matter/anti-matter reaction, and the bomb shut off the containment, it could happen, but you couldn't *PLAN* for that.


No, the line spoken specifically said Mass.
 
2013-06-21 08:54:32 AM

thecpt: No mr Pullman, I won't go quietly into the night


The problem with Bill Pullman doing that speech was that I still saw him as Lone Star and expected Rick Moranis to come crashing through the crowd yelling about his schwartz.
 
2013-06-21 08:56:13 AM

dittybopper: The Native Americans invaded Europe first?

You must be confusing this sequel with the sequel to Avatard.


No no, flip it around, revenge metaphor flick

And yes Avatard was completely and utterly retarded in beating you over the head with metaphors.

No James Cameron, I will not feel purposely sympathetic because you pulled out every heart string in the orchestra. Take your cat people and go back to the bottom of the Mariana Trench
 
2013-06-21 08:56:42 AM

theorellior: HotWingConspiracy: I hope Jeff Goldblum reprises his role as Jeff Goldblum.

If there is one thing the history of movies has taught us it's that Jeff Goldblum will not be contained. Jeff Goldblum breaks free, he expands to new territories and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously, but, uh... well, there it is. I'm, I'm simply saying that Jeff Goldblum, uh... finds a way.


That's just beautiful.  Bravo.
 
2013-06-21 08:56:55 AM

Digitalstrange: What part of "telepathic species" didn't people get? Information security would be an alien concept to them. It's one of the stupidest knocks on ID4. Goldblum didn't have to learn to "program in an alien language" the aliens bridged the communications to take our satellites over and since they were telepathic they had no informational security, thus the simplest replicating virus ever made would be devastating (kinda like the Martians being destroyed by simple earth virus that humans are immune to) to them.


You know, you make a perfect argument here, except for the fact that you can clearly see the Macbook negotiating with the remote server and gaining access. Telepathic communication or not, they still managed to invent the TCP/IP stack and AppleTalk.
 
2013-06-21 08:58:00 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: mat catastrophe: rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.

Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.

So a metaphor for Native Americans, wonderful


No that's out this November starring Harrison Ford and Ben Kingsley
 
2013-06-21 09:00:33 AM

dittybopper: machoprogrammer: There are other science-related gaffes (i.e. the size of the mothership would fark up quite a few things if it was 1/4 the mass of the moon)

As I recall, it was 1/4 the *SIZE* of the moon, not 1/4 the mass.  Remember, it was largely hollow.

But that does bring up another point:  Unless it causes a runaway reaction in whatever power source the aliens are using, there is no way a nuclear bomb that is at most a couple megatons (and more likely a few hundred kilotons) is going to completely destroy something that big.  I suppose, if they were using matter/anti-matter reaction, and the bomb shut off the containment, it could happen, but you couldn't *PLAN* for that.


IIRC, it wasn't so much the bomb that did it. It was the bomb going off and setting off other explosions among
the aliens' tech that did it.

Or not. Who knows.

/ Kick the tires and light the fires, Big Daddy!
 
2013-06-21 09:01:25 AM
i always explain when people say "Oh great how convenient the laptop can interface with the alien mothership!" they just needed a quick scene where Will Smith asks Jeff Goldblum how in the world would this even be remotely compatible? and Brent Spiner say " Where do you think computers came from?" and point to the crashed alien craft with a smirk
 
2013-06-21 09:03:24 AM

moothemagiccow: No that's out this November starring Harrison Ford and Ben Kingsley


I love Ben Kingsley, took that whole any job is a job quite literally.
 
2013-06-21 09:06:38 AM
Independence Day: It was cheesy, cliche, campy, absurd, etc. . . . and I loved it.
 
2013-06-21 09:08:49 AM
Screw you guys, I liked ID4. Not sure that we need another one though especially almost 20 years after the first.
 
2013-06-21 09:09:15 AM

RaiderFanMikeP: i always explain when people say "Oh great how convenient the laptop can interface with the alien mothership!" they just needed a quick scene where Will Smith asks Jeff Goldblum how in the world would this even be remotely compatible? and Brent Spiner say " Where do you think computers came from?" and point to the crashed alien craft with a smirk


They cut a lot of scenes from that movie that helped explain a few of those plot details. (I watched the extended cut.) I can't remember if there was a scene that explained how Goldblum was able to do that, but one throwaway line would have done all the work.

ID4 was a great movie...for 1996. It was one of the last movies I stood in line for, and it was back when big movies like that would sell out and you either waited five hours or came back another day. It was a great film to see with a sellout crowd and a true pop culture phenomenon. That said, it doesn't exactly hold up now, but I won't deny absolutely loving it back then,
 
2013-06-21 09:11:49 AM
the long-awaited follow-up

Um, by who?

The entire species of the offenders was genocided out of existence and every bit of technology they possessed deprived permanently of power just in case one of them survived at the end of the first movie, it never actually occurred to me that a sequel was even possible, let alone desirable.

//Maybe I paid too much attention if I remember that about all the power being broadcast from the mothership, but c'mon, it was kind of a major plot point early in the movie.
 
2013-06-21 09:12:23 AM
It'll be interesting to see if they show any of the wasteland Houston became after they tried nukes. It'll give them an excuse to film in Houston and clean the place up a little to portray a town that got hit by a nuke. HEYOOOOOOO!
 
2013-06-21 09:14:40 AM

RaiderFanMikeP: i always explain when people say "Oh great how convenient the laptop can interface with the alien mothership!" they just needed a quick scene where Will Smith asks Jeff Goldblum how in the world would this even be remotely compatible? and Brent Spiner say " Where do you think computers came from?" and point to the crashed alien craft with a smirk


Someone told me an exchange like that is in the deleted scenes. If that's true, that's something they should have left in.
 
2013-06-21 09:17:24 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: mat catastrophe: rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.

Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.

So a metaphor for Native Americans, wonderful


No, Kubrick covered that with "The Shining".
 
2013-06-21 09:17:51 AM

Jim_Callahan: it never actually occurred to me that a sequel was even possible


A sequel is always possible. See Highlander, one of the most inherently sequel-resistant movies ever.
 
2013-06-21 09:18:17 AM

Mugato: RaiderFanMikeP: i always explain when people say "Oh great how convenient the laptop can interface with the alien mothership!" they just needed a quick scene where Will Smith asks Jeff Goldblum how in the world would this even be remotely compatible? and Brent Spiner say " Where do you think computers came from?" and point to the crashed alien craft with a smirk

Someone told me an exchange like that is in the deleted scenes. If that's true, that's something they should have left in.


I heard that, too. And agree. It may be on YouTube somewhere but I'm at work.
 
2013-06-21 09:21:56 AM

Mugato: Someone told me an exchange like that is in the deleted scenes. If that's true, that's something they should have left in.


Close, its a seven minute sequence of Gold working inside the ship with Spiner on the computer and recognizing the code as the same for when he picked up the signal, then making a remark about how similar it is to coding he's done on his computer THEN Spiner remarks 'where do you think computers come from'

It's on the extended release DVD
 
2013-06-21 09:31:47 AM
 
2013-06-21 09:35:08 AM

rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.


Chances are every the large amounts of exotic technology that crashes to earth would cause ecological issues and disease. Everyone dies just slower than from laser explosions.
 
2013-06-21 09:35:42 AM

Jim_Callahan: the long-awaited follow-up

Um, by who?

The entire species of the offenders was genocided out of existence and every bit of technology they possessed deprived permanently of power just in case one of them survived at the end of the first movie, it never actually occurred to me that a sequel was even possible, let alone desirable.

//Maybe I paid too much attention if I remember that about all the power being broadcast from the mothership, but c'mon, it was kind of a major plot point early in the movie.


Your assumption is that the mothership that came to Earf is the only one in existence.  If they truly were like locusts, it would be foolish to assume that was the only one out there.

For all we know, there are more out there, and they could have been in communication with each other.  That would actually be a good idea, for several reasons:

1. It prevents conflicts between motherships both arriving at a planet at roughly the same time.

2. It prevents Mothership B from wasting time traveling to a planet that Mothership A has already raped the shiat out of.

3. It would act as a sort of 'early warning' system:  If communication from Mothership A suddenly stops, then all the motherships in the 'neighborhood' are going to know something bad happened, and can either investigate or avoid that system.

For a 20 year timespan, that other mothership would have to be within 10 light years, though.  There are 8 stars within that distance, and if you 'cheat' a little and open the time frame up to 30 years, there are 44 stars within that distance,
 
2013-06-21 09:41:28 AM

theorellior: Digitalstrange: What part of "telepathic species" didn't people get? Information security would be an alien concept to them. It's one of the stupidest knocks on ID4. Goldblum didn't have to learn to "program in an alien language" the aliens bridged the communications to take our satellites over and since they were telepathic they had no informational security, thus the simplest replicating virus ever made would be devastating (kinda like the Martians being destroyed by simple earth virus that humans are immune to) to them.

You know, you make a perfect argument here, except for the fact that you can clearly see the Macbook negotiating with the remote server and gaining access. Telepathic communication or not, they still managed to invent the TCP/IP stack and AppleTalk.


All of which he did without any passwords. TCP/IP isn't inherently secure, you have to add the encryption which wouldn't be something a telepathic species would think of
 
2013-06-21 09:42:28 AM

mat catastrophe: rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.

Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.


Don't worry, we'll see that movie soon enough.
 
2013-06-21 09:43:54 AM
How telepathic could they be if they had to use earth's satellites to communicate?
 
2013-06-21 09:49:16 AM

dittybopper: theorellior: HotWingConspiracy: I hope Jeff Goldblum reprises his role as Jeff Goldblum.

If there is one thing the history of movies has taught us it's that Jeff Goldblum will not be contained. Jeff Goldblum breaks free, he expands to new territories and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously, but, uh... well, there it is. I'm, I'm simply saying that Jeff Goldblum, uh... finds a way.

That's just beautiful.  Bravo.


*Wipes away tear*

+eleventy billion
 
2013-06-21 09:51:01 AM

Alphax: rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.

Sounds like they're skipping forward a few decades, so we'll get an Earth who had some time to rebuild, and reverse engineer alien tech, before the alien reinforcements show up.  I'm a bit sceptical about how well this'll be done.



I wonder how they are going to play the environmental factor. All that material getting burnt up in Earf's upper atmosphere  had to have some kind of effect on insolation levels, all of the large impacts (the mother-ship had the mass of 1/6 of the moon), and the effects of having that many major metropolitan areas burning has got to have played havok with the environment.
 
2013-06-21 09:51:26 AM

Digitalstrange: rewind2846:  advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?),


What part of "telepathic species" didn't people get? Information security would be an alien concept to them. It's one of the stupidest knocks on ID4. Goldblum didn't have to learn to "program in an alien language" the aliens bridged the communications to take our satellites over and since they were telepathic they had no informational security, thus the simplest replicating virus ever made would be devastating (kinda like the Martians being destroyed by simple earth virus that humans are immune to) to them.

 mat catastrophe: Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.

They were home, they destroyed their world and moved on with their whole society in that mother ship.

considering that the earths ecosystem was once radically altered by one big asteroid hitting Earth, I'd say 15 "Asteroids" filled with unknown energy sources crashing on it would've rendered Earth uninhabitable within days of the end of ID4 so any sequel is rendered stupid and implausible from the very start.

I am one of the few who will admit that ID4 was a pretty good cheesy popcorn action flick that holds together pretty well (as I say if you ignore the fact that the "saviors" really just ensured we die free, not really saved the Earth) but I will be saying no to any sequel.



I think there's a difference in an asteroid moving at the speeds it does through space smashing into the earth at speed and ships already in gravity falling a few hunder/ thousand feet onto the earth in terms of destructive power.
 
2013-06-21 09:51:50 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Mugato: Someone told me an exchange like that is in the deleted scenes. If that's true, that's something they should have left in.

Close, its a seven minute sequence of Gold working inside the ship with Spiner on the computer and recognizing the code as the same for when he picked up the signal, then making a remark about how similar it is to coding he's done on his computer THEN Spiner remarks 'where do you think computers come from'

It's on the extended release DVD


They could've cleared it up so much easier, when he proposed the big idea add this dialogue to the SecDef's shrill arguments

SecDef: How do you expect to learn to code a virus in an alien language?

Goldblum: I don't have to, they bridged communications with our systems to take over our satellites.

SecDef: and your just counting on then not having updated their antivirus lately?

Goldblum: They are a hive mind, they don't know what antivirus is.


Clears up the whole thing with less than 20 secs of dialogue
 
2013-06-21 09:54:08 AM

rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.


No no no. That would be too smart for Roland Hackerich. No, it will just be "THE ALIENS ARE BACK AGAIN AND THEY ARE PISSED!!!"
 
2013-06-21 09:58:14 AM

Digitalstrange: theorellior: Digitalstrange: What part of "telepathic species" didn't people get? Information security would be an alien concept to them. It's one of the stupidest knocks on ID4. Goldblum didn't have to learn to "program in an alien language" the aliens bridged the communications to take our satellites over and since they were telepathic they had no informational security, thus the simplest replicating virus ever made would be devastating (kinda like the Martians being destroyed by simple earth virus that humans are immune to) to them.

You know, you make a perfect argument here, except for the fact that you can clearly see the Macbook negotiating with the remote server and gaining access. Telepathic communication or not, they still managed to invent the TCP/IP stack and AppleTalk.

All of which he did without any passwords. TCP/IP isn't inherently secure, you have to add the encryption which wouldn't be something a telepathic species would think of


How exactly would a telepathic species utilize passwords?
 
2013-06-21 10:01:30 AM

moothemagiccow: rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.

You want to watch Robotech?


I know I do.
I figure since the avenue is wide open by now, they can just go ahead and rape all the rest of the stuff I liked as a kid.
 
2013-06-21 10:02:20 AM

Mugato: RaiderFanMikeP: i always explain when people say "Oh great how convenient the laptop can interface with the alien mothership!" they just needed a quick scene where Will Smith asks Jeff Goldblum how in the world would this even be remotely compatible? and Brent Spiner say " Where do you think computers came from?" and point to the crashed alien craft with a smirk

Someone told me an exchange like that is in the deleted scenes. If that's true, that's something they should have left in.


It doesn't even have to be like that.

Goldblum figured out through basic analysis of the signal that it was a count-down of some kind.   That means that he effectively figured out how they code their numbers.  That's a very big leap.

The people at Area 51 had an alien computer on the spacecraft that crashed back in the 1950's, but they couldn't do any actual testing on them until the spacecraft "woke up" when the mothership arrived.

Put those two things together, combined with a team of very intelligent people, and it's plausible that you could write a simple malicious computer virus in a day or so.  For example, this is a notional 'virus' from a computer game called "Core Wars".  All it does is copy itself, eventually filling up the allotted memory:

;redcode
;name Imp
;author A.K. Dewdney
;assert 1

imp     mov imp,imp+1
           end imp


The bolded text is the actual operative code.

All that does is copy itself to the next available memory address, then transfer control to that copy, which then does the same thing.  All you need to do is know how to increment (ie., add), and how to copy.

My 9 year old son could code something like that.
 
2013-06-21 10:03:21 AM

thecpt: One of the best motivational speeches ever.

No mr Pullman, I won't go quietly into the night


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 10:07:58 AM

Digitalstrange: Clears up the whole thing with less than 20 secs of dialogue


Remember, this was the 90's when Hollywood was at least attempting to get all high tech and shiat when introducing technology into the story and very often they got it horribly wrong. Remember this is the same year we got The Rock, Mission Impossible, and Broken Arrow.
 
2013-06-21 10:11:04 AM

Mugato: How telepathic could they be if they had to use earth's satellites to communicate?


Short range telepathic ability ain't gonna help you coordinate your actions with other ships on the other side of the planet.

You've got to assume that whatever telepathic ability they have doesn't break the laws of physics, so the inverse square law comes into effect.  A few milliwatts of power transmitting your thoughts isn't going to have much range, no matter how it's transmitted.

Plus, as a practical matter, it *HAS* to be short range.  Consider how difficult it would be to communicate with a specific person if you could hear every single conversation for miles.
 
2013-06-21 10:11:13 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Digitalstrange: Clears up the whole thing with less than 20 secs of dialogue

Remember, this was the 90's when Hollywood was at least attempting to get all high tech and shiat when introducing technology into the story and very often they got it horribly wrong. Remember this is the same year we got The Rock, Mission Impossible, and Broken Arrow.


Say what you will about Bay's other films but The Rock was pretty good.
 
2013-06-21 10:11:21 AM

mat catastrophe: rewind2846: I think there should be an "aftermath" story exploring what happens on earf after the aliens get blowed up good. All the technology left in those giant ships, hundreds or thousands of years ahead of our own.  Do the countries the ships crashed in use that tech to create a new age for humankind, with fusion power, advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?), energy weapons, anti-gravity, and starships that can cross light years of space in days instead of decades, or do the countries that have this tech fight the other countries for theirs and take over the nations the ships didn't crash in?

How do we rebuild after something like this? And what happens to our science, our governments, our civilizations and our religions when humankind can take a breath and go "HOLY SH*T! There's aliens out there!"?

That's what I want to see.

Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.


So they're finally making Ender's Game?
 
2013-06-21 10:17:30 AM
Unlike the original then, which came two days early?
 
mhd
2013-06-21 10:19:28 AM

Captain Meatsack: So they're finally making Ender's Game?


That would be two hours of whiny gym scenes, half an hour of blogging tweens and 15 minutes of Ender using the genocide app.

/and it's coming out in November, IIRC
 
2013-06-21 10:22:24 AM

aedude01: Say what you will about Bay's other films but The Rock was pretty good.


Rock had this weird good vibe to it, even if Connery was basically mailing it in
 
2013-06-21 10:24:01 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: Remember this is the same year we got The Rock, Mission Impossible, and Broken Arrow.


Even though it's cheesey as hell and I hate both Slater and Travolta, I enjoyed the hell out of "Broken Arrow". I have no idea why, but John Woo worked magic for me.
 
2013-06-21 10:27:30 AM

give me doughnuts: I wonder how they are going to play the environmental factor. All that material getting burnt up in Earf's upper atmosphere had to have some kind of effect on insolation levels, all of the large impacts (the mother-ship had the mass of 1/6 of the moon), and the effects of having that many major metropolitan areas burning has got to have played havok with the environment.


Not to mention the addition of so much mass to the Earth will noticeably change the pull of gravity. Probably a 3-4% change, which sounds small but will affect all sorts of things, from the Moon to satellites to weather to core convection to ocean currents and tides to species interactions.
 
2013-06-21 10:31:31 AM

baufan2005: Of.course Jayden Smith will have to have a major part in it I bet.


The way Smif and his butch wife operate nowadays you can bet your ass they're trying to cram their kids up the ass of this production. With a healthy hidden dose of Sciento propaganda worked in for good measure.
 
2013-06-21 10:32:56 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: aedude01: Say what you will about Bay's other films but The Rock was pretty good.

Rock had this weird good vibe to it, even if Connery was basically mailing it in


The Rock was before Bay went batshiat insane with his films. There were only a couple of explosions and only one 360 degree low level tracking shot that I can recall. Ed Harris was pretty good and Connery was kind of badass.

Something snapped in Bay somewhere in the 2 years between The Rock and Armageddon.
 
2013-06-21 10:40:12 AM

Mugato: Something snapped in Bay somewhere in the 2 years between The Rock and Armageddon.


He figured out the formula that in general the American viewing public are idiots when it comes to cinema

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 10:45:35 AM
Is this where the aliens return to try to reconquer the world, only to be stopped by the once-thought-dead First Lady and her ragtag fugitive Fleet?
 
2013-06-21 11:12:59 AM

theorellior: give me doughnuts: I wonder how they are going to play the environmental factor. All that material getting burnt up in Earf's upper atmosphere had to have some kind of effect on insolation levels, all of the large impacts (the mother-ship had the mass of 1/6 of the moon), and the effects of having that many major metropolitan areas burning has got to have played havok with the environment.

Not to mention the addition of so much mass to the Earth will noticeably change the pull of gravity. Probably a 3-4% change, which sounds small but will affect all sorts of things, from the Moon to satellites to weather to core convection to ocean currents and tides to species interactions.


Not all of the mass of the mothership would be added to the Earth.  In fact, only a fraction of it would be.  The overwhelming majority of the material would be blasted away from the earth at greater than escape velocity.

If we assume the mothership had a mass 1/6th that of the moon, that would mean it weighed the equivalent of ( 1.23% / 6 ) = 0.205% the mass of the earth.

The gravity on the moon is only 16.5% that of earth, so 1/6th of that would equal  2.75% of earth gravity.  For most people, it would be barely noticeable.

That's assuming 100% of the mass of the mothership ends up on Earth, which isn't actually what would happen.  Probably, at the very most, 1/3rd of the mass of the mothership would end up on Earth.  So actually that 1/6th would be 1/18th, so the additional gravity would actually be 16.5%/18 = 0.9%, something you could measure, but I doubt that anyone would be able to physically notice.

Calculating it differently, the moon weighs 7.3477 × 1022 kg , so 1/18th of that would be 4.0804 x 1021 kg added to the mass of the Earth (5.9736×1024 kg), so the total weight of the Earth afterwards would be 5.9777 x 1024 kg, an increase in Earth mass of .07%.

Plugging those numbers into a gravitational acceleration calculator, I get 9.7982514675783 m/s2for Earth without the extra mass, and 9.8049765296877 m/s2for Earth with the extra mass, an increase of just 0.1%.

Something you could measure, but not something you'd notice in everyday life.
 
2013-06-21 11:18:07 AM

dittybopper: Something you could measure, but not something you'd notice in everyday life.


Been awhile since I've seen it, but even 1/3 is over estimating it since it appears most of the ship is vaporized in the explosion
 
2013-06-21 11:18:54 AM
My impression of the movie:

"Hey, let's secretly show up and drive in the Indy 500 with this tech we found--think anyone will notice?"


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-21 11:19:50 AM
Yay! another propaganda film.
 
2013-06-21 11:23:59 AM

dittybopper: theorellior: give me doughnuts: I wonder how they are going to play the environmental factor. All that material getting burnt up in Earf's upper atmosphere had to have some kind of effect on insolation levels, all of the large impacts (the mother-ship had the mass of 1/6 of the moon), and the effects of having that many major metropolitan areas burning has got to have played havok with the environment.

Not to mention the addition of so much mass to the Earth will noticeably change the pull of gravity. Probably a 3-4% change, which sounds small but will affect all sorts of things, from the Moon to satellites to weather to core convection to ocean currents and tides to species interactions.

Not all of the mass of the mothership would be added to the Earth.  In fact, only a fraction of it would be.  The overwhelming majority of the material would be blasted away from the earth at greater than escape velocity.

If we assume the mothership had a mass 1/6th that of the moon, that would mean it weighed the equivalent of ( 1.23% / 6 ) = 0.205% the mass of the earth.

The gravity on the moon is only 16.5% that of earth, so 1/6th of that would equal  2.75% of earth gravity.  For most people, it would be barely noticeable.

That's assuming 100% of the mass of the mothership ends up on Earth, which isn't actually what would happen.  Probably, at the very most, 1/3rd of the mass of the mothership would end up on Earth.  So actually that 1/6th would be 1/18th, so the additional gravity would actually be 16.5%/18 = 0.9%, something you could measure, but I doubt that anyone would be able to physically notice.

Calculating it differently, the moon weighs 7.3477 × 1022 kg , so 1/18th of that would be 4.0804 x 1021 kg added to the mass of the Earth (5.9736×1024 kg), so the total weight of the Earth afterwards would be 5.9777 x 1024 kg, an increase in Earth mass of .07%.

Plugging those numbers into a gravitational acceleration calculator, I get 9.7982514675783 m/s2for Earth without the extra mass, and 9.8049765296877 m/s2for Earth with the extra mass, an increase of just 0.1%.

Something you could measure, but not something you'd notice in everyday life.


Eh yeah, but you can use math to prove anything.

/was told there would be no math
 
2013-06-21 11:26:34 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: dittybopper: Something you could measure, but not something you'd notice in everyday life.

Been awhile since I've seen it, but even 1/3 is over estimating it since it appears most of the ship is vaporized in the explosion


Well, that mass doesn't just disappear.  It's reduced to atoms, and some very, very small percentage is converted to energy in the initial explosion, but the vast majority of the mass of the mothership would still remain.
 
2013-06-21 11:28:02 AM

dittybopper: Well, that mass doesn't just disappear. It's reduced to atoms, and some very, very small percentage is converted to energy in the initial explosion, but the vast majority of the mass of the mothership would still remain.


Obviously, but I don't think nearly that much would fall to earth as space dust or join in the atmosphere since in an explosion the direct energy is in all directions with the earth only encapsulating a small portion of that space.
 
2013-06-21 11:31:13 AM

dittybopper: mat catastrophe: Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.

You know, I wouldn't have any sympathy for them.  Classic self-defense, writ large.  They came here first with the intent to wipe us out.


So, if someone robs your house and you follow them home and execute them, that's self-defense?

You must live in Texas.
 
2013-06-21 11:37:34 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: dittybopper: Well, that mass doesn't just disappear. It's reduced to atoms, and some very, very small percentage is converted to energy in the initial explosion, but the vast majority of the mass of the mothership would still remain.

Obviously, but I don't think nearly that much would fall to earth as space dust or join in the atmosphere since in an explosion the direct energy is in all directions with the earth only encapsulating a small portion of that space.


That's why I figured that at most, just 1/3rd of the mass of the mothership would collect on Earth.

I will admit, I was too lazy to figure out the area of a circle on the surface of a sphere, so I 'winged' it, but I'm confident that 1/3rd is a good, conservative 'upper bound' for that number.  The mothership wasn't in low earth orbit, it was considerably farther away, so the angle subtended by the Earth would be relatively small, but then you have to contend with gravitational effects on the particles, and for the 'near misses', with atmospheric drag.
 
2013-06-21 11:45:30 AM
24.media.tumblr.com

/Someone had to
 
2013-06-21 11:46:03 AM

dittybopper: theorellior: give me doughnuts: I wonder how they are going to play the environmental factor. All that material getting burnt up in Earf's upper atmosphere had to have some kind of effect on insolation levels, all of the large impacts (the mother-ship had the mass of 1/6 of the moon), and the effects of having that many major metropolitan areas burning has got to have played havok with the environment.

Not to mention the addition of so much mass to the Earth will noticeably change the pull of gravity. Probably a 3-4% change, which sounds small but will affect all sorts of things, from the Moon to satellites to weather to core convection to ocean currents and tides to species interactions.

Not all of the mass of the mothership would be added to the Earth.  In fact, only a fraction of it would be.  The overwhelming majority of the material would be blasted away from the earth at greater than escape velocity.

If we assume the mothership had a mass 1/6th that of the moon, that would mean it weighed the equivalent of ( 1.23% / 6 ) = 0.205% the mass of the earth.

The gravity on the moon is only 16.5% that of earth, so 1/6th of that would equal  2.75% of earth gravity.  For most people, it would be barely noticeable.

That's assuming 100% of the mass of the mothership ends up on Earth, which isn't actually what would happen.  Probably, at the very most, 1/3rd of the mass of the mothership would end up on Earth.  So actually that 1/6th would be 1/18th, so the additional gravity would actually be 16.5%/18 = 0.9%, something you could measure, but I doubt that anyone would be able to physically notice.

Calculating it differently, the moon weighs 7.3477 × 1022 kg , so 1/18th of that would be 4.0804 x 1021 kg added to the mass of the Earth (5.9736×1024 kg), so the total weight of the Earth afterwards would be 5.9777 x 1024 kg, an increase in Earth mass of .07%.

Plugging those numbers into a gravitational acceleration calculator, I get 9.7982514675783 m/s2for Earth without ...


Nice analysis there, dittybopper, well done.

My beef with a sequel would be that there wouldn't be much of a planet left after the first movie. Putting aside the effects of having dozens of city sized spacecraft (made of alloys strong enough to survive space phenomena and hold the ship together in a gravity well, shields be damned) come crashing down, and ignoring the meltdowns of whatever powered them, blowing up the mothership dooms us all.

The Earth, as a large mass in space, would be ok. Its inhabited surface and atmosphere would not. It's the Death Star problem 2.0; that much mass doesn't disappear in an explosion; it's going to come raining down on various tangents at hyperballistic speeds (if not relativistic), and destroy everything. Not all of it, but enough; that which didn't reach escape velocity will rain down at a later date. At minimum you have the mother of all EMPs, and space travel is useless for the duration of human civilization. Major infrastructure worldwide is destroyed, and a post-zombie apocalypse event occurs in all but the most agrarian or isolated of nations. Most probably, fires, dust clouds, atmospheric stripping, vaporization of water in the oceans, not to mention pollution of the entire ecosystem (that survived) with now-radioactive elements is widespread. And if most of the ship was 'vaporized'  in the blast, that's much, much worse: the energy required to do that to such a significant amount of mass means the planet is, near-literally, toast.

tl;dr

The ship was 1/4 the size of the moon; if a single nuke did enough damage to blow all that apart, the energies involved are so tremendous, their wouldn't be much of a movie save perhaps 'The Road: The Sequel', or 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the Reboot'.

I'd still watch it anyway (Star Trek and Superman are no more correct than ID4 and I enjoyed them both), but it's fun to nitpick this stuff.
 
2013-06-21 11:50:32 AM

mat catastrophe: dittybopper: mat catastrophe: Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.

You know, I wouldn't have any sympathy for them.  Classic self-defense, writ large.  They came here first with the intent to wipe us out.

So, if someone robs your house and you follow them home and execute them, that's self-defense?

You must live in Texas.


What if, in the process of robbing your house, they also want to kill you:

President Thomas Whitmore: What do you want us to do?
Captured Alien: Die. Die.
...

President Thomas Whitmore: I saw... its thoughts. I saw what they're planning to do. They're like locusts. They're moving from planet to planet... their whole civilization. After they've consumed every natural resource they move on... and we're next. Nuke 'em. Let's nuke the bastards.



Logically, if there were others of them out there, in order for us to survive we would have to make sure they don't, otherwise it would just be a matter of time before it would happen again, and we'd have no guarantee would could pull off a miracle like we did in the first film.


Plus, you want to avoid fighting on your home turf if you can avoid it, because even if you win, you can suffer a large amount of damage to your home world.
 
2013-06-21 12:06:07 PM

dittybopper: mat catastrophe: dittybopper: mat catastrophe: Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.

You know, I wouldn't have any sympathy for them.  Classic self-defense, writ large.  They came here first with the intent to wipe us out.

So, if someone robs your house and you follow them home and execute them, that's self-defense?

You must live in Texas.

What if, in the process of robbing your house, they also want to kill you:

President Thomas Whitmore: What do you want us to do?
Captured Alien: Die. Die.
...

President Thomas Whitmore: I saw... its thoughts. I saw what they're planning to do. They're like locusts. They're moving from planet to planet... their whole civilization. After they've consumed every natural resource they move on... and we're next. Nuke 'em. Let's nuke the bastards.


Logically, if there were others of them out there, in order for us to survive we would have to make sure they don't, otherwise it would just be a matter of time before it would happen again, and we'd have no guarantee would could pull off a miracle like we did in the first film.


Plus, you want to avoid fighting on your home turf if you can avoid it, because even if you win, you can suffer a large amount of damage to your home world.


Yep. Texas.
 
2013-06-21 12:35:03 PM

rudemix: Digitalstrange: rewind2846:  advanced computers (with no anti-virus running - WTF?),


What part of "telepathic species" didn't people get? Information security would be an alien concept to them. It's one of the stupidest knocks on ID4. Goldblum didn't have to learn to "program in an alien language" the aliens bridged the communications to take our satellites over and since they were telepathic they had no informational security, thus the simplest replicating virus ever made would be devastating (kinda like the Martians being destroyed by simple earth virus that humans are immune to) to them.

 mat catastrophe: Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.

They were home, they destroyed their world and moved on with their whole society in that mother ship.

considering that the earths ecosystem was once radically altered by one big asteroid hitting Earth, I'd say 15 "Asteroids" filled with unknown energy sources crashing on it would've rendered Earth uninhabitable within days of the end of ID4 so any sequel is rendered stupid and implausible from the very start.

I am one of the few who will admit that ID4 was a pretty good cheesy popcorn action flick that holds together pretty well (as I say if you ignore the fact that the "saviors" really just ensured we die free, not really saved the Earth) but I will be saying no to any sequel.


I think there's a difference in an asteroid moving at the speeds it does through space smashing into the earth at speed and ships already in gravity falling a few hunder/ thousand feet onto the earth in terms of destructive power.


each ship was large enough to disturb our planet just entering atmosphere, now I can buy they had some alien tech that counteracted that force right up until they stopped working, now that's released times 15 with unknown power sources piling on the environmental damage(and given their polluting history and their answer to that history clean energy isn't likely) now released from control, oh and the mothership big enough to hold all 15 ships was near the moon when it blew, that's going to throw off it's orbit which would alter our climate as well. Face it humanity died free but it died within days after ID4 rolled credits
 
2013-06-21 12:42:58 PM

mat catastrophe: dittybopper: mat catastrophe: Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.

You know, I wouldn't have any sympathy for them.  Classic self-defense, writ large.  They came here first with the intent to wipe us out.

So, if someone robs your house and you follow them home and execute them, that's self-defense?

You must live in Texas.


stealing stuff /= trying to kill you and your family. Yes if someone breaks into your house and kills half your family and wounds you going after them and killing them would be pretty strong mitigating factors
 
2013-06-21 01:01:51 PM

Digitalstrange: mat catastrophe: dittybopper: mat catastrophe: Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.

You know, I wouldn't have any sympathy for them.  Classic self-defense, writ large.  They came here first with the intent to wipe us out.

So, if someone robs your house and you follow them home and execute them, that's self-defense?

You must live in Texas.

stealing stuff /= trying to kill you and your family. Yes if someone breaks into your house and kills half your family and wounds you going after them and killing them would be pretty strong mitigating factors


Not only that, but let's also suppose that they want to steal the very air you breath, water you drink, and food you eat, so even if they don't want to kill you outright, the end effect of them accomplishing their goals is that you die.
 
2013-06-21 01:02:53 PM

mat catastrophe: Yep. Texas.


Upstate New York, actually.
 
2013-06-21 01:15:32 PM
Needs more willow
 
2013-06-21 01:42:50 PM

Digitalstrange: mat catastrophe: dittybopper: mat catastrophe: Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.

You know, I wouldn't have any sympathy for them.  Classic self-defense, writ large.  They came here first with the intent to wipe us out.

So, if someone robs your house and you follow them home and execute them, that's self-defense?

You must live in Texas.

stealing stuff /= trying to kill you and your family. Yes if someone breaks into your house and kills half your family and wounds you going after them and killing them would be pretty strong mitigating factors


But it would not be self defense. If you "go after them", that's a revenge killing. And you should be prosecuted for that.
 
2013-06-21 01:45:02 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: Mugato: Someone told me an exchange like that is in the deleted scenes. If that's true, that's something they should have left in.

Close, its a seven minute sequence of Gold working inside the ship with Spiner on the computer and recognizing the code as the same for when he picked up the signal, then making a remark about how similar it is to coding he's done on his computer THEN Spiner remarks 'where do you think computers come from'

It's on the extended release DVD


For some reason I wanted to say this was something I recall from the standard cut of the movie but maybe I'm mashing ID4 with Bay's Transformers in my mind.
 
2013-06-21 02:01:22 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: Mugato: Something snapped in Bay somewhere in the 2 years between The Rock and Armageddon.

He figured out the formula that in general the American viewing public are idiots when it comes to cinema

[img.fark.net image 800x937]


I've always figured that studio suits didn't quite trust Bay in his early career so... they actually did their jobs and ensured the end product would be of better quality (i.e. they forced Bay to make a better film). Once he made them a metric asston of money they started to trust him more and were willing to let him go Full Michael Bay, which is something no one should ever do even if they do make metric asstons of money.
 
2013-06-21 02:09:26 PM

HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: Alphax: wildcardjack: JerseyTim: Independence Day 2 is just going to be 125 minutes of dogs jumping away from explosions at the last second in slow motion.

Sounds good.

They could go interesting. Go plus 30 years and humanity has reverse engineered the tech and launched a few ships and we go after them. Or it turns out that the lizard overlords really cracked down on the population and they need to overthrow the alien overlords. I mean, at the end of the movie they barely had a means of taking out the invasion ships, loads of aliens would have survived. Heck, did they kill ALL the ships?

An earlier article suggested that the invaders got off a distress signal, and their reinforcements left home as soon as they got it.. but due to time dialation in hyperspace, a few months travel for them was a few decades of time on Earth.

They don't even have actually explicitly send a distress signal.

If you are in reasonably close contact with the home world or main fleet or whatever, and all of a sudden you stop sending progress updates, the other alienses are going to know something really bad happened, and they'll probably want to investigate.

That's one thing that bothered me about District 9. Why no rescue?


Because they were slaves, no one cares about slaves.
 
2013-06-21 02:13:08 PM

mat catastrophe: Digitalstrange: mat catastrophe: dittybopper: mat catastrophe: Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.

You know, I wouldn't have any sympathy for them.  Classic self-defense, writ large.  They came here first with the intent to wipe us out.

So, if someone robs your house and you follow them home and execute them, that's self-defense?

You must live in Texas.

stealing stuff /= trying to kill you and your family. Yes if someone breaks into your house and kills half your family and wounds you going after them and killing them would be pretty strong mitigating factors

But it would not be self defense. If you "go after them", that's a revenge killing. And you should be prosecuted for that.


Think of this not in terms of human vs. human, but, say, human village vs. pride of lions that have developed a taste for human flesh.  And those lions have migrated from their native Africa, and the village is in southern China.

Now, let's say a couple members of the pride attacked the village, killed half the villagers and much of the livestock the villagers need to survive, and caused a lot of destruction to village structures.  Would not the villagers in this case be justified in hunting down and killing any other lions in the area, and perhaps even going so far as to mount an expedition to wipe out any of the very dangerous and invasive, non-native lions in the whole of southern China?

Indeed, think of it in terms of human history:  Assume that the Nazis in WWII wouldn't stop killing Jews until
 
2013-06-21 02:18:35 PM

mat catastrophe: Digitalstrange: mat catastrophe: dittybopper: mat catastrophe: Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.

You know, I wouldn't have any sympathy for them.  Classic self-defense, writ large.  They came here first with the intent to wipe us out.

So, if someone robs your house and you follow them home and execute them, that's self-defense?

You must live in Texas.

stealing stuff /= trying to kill you and your family. Yes if someone breaks into your house and kills half your family and wounds you going after them and killing them would be pretty strong mitigating factors

But it would not be self defense. If you "go after them", that's a revenge killing. And you should be prosecuted for that.


History demonstrates that they have zero value for human life and are very aggressive in accumulating resources. Letting them continue to exist is a very risky thing if you intend to continue existing yourself. These aren't ET's people or Ewoks FFS, and frankly they're a bit less cuddly than even the Borg.
 
2013-06-21 02:20:51 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: I've always figured that studio suits didn't quite trust Bay in his early career so... they actually did their jobs and ensured the end product would be of better quality


Studio suits doing their jobs? No, I don't buy it.

I don't buy that the movie going audience is "stupid" either. Going to the movies is usually a date/family thing so people will watch what is presented to them. But assuming that movies that blow shiat up and movies with intelligent scripts are mutually exclusive is bullshiat. That's an excuse shiatty writers give for their shiatty writing.
 
2013-06-21 02:22:04 PM

mat catastrophe: Digitalstrange: mat catastrophe: dittybopper: mat catastrophe: Too bad we're not getting that. Enjoy your two hours of humanity tracking the aliens home and committing genocide against them.

You know, I wouldn't have any sympathy for them.  Classic self-defense, writ large.  They came here first with the intent to wipe us out.

So, if someone robs your house and you follow them home and execute them, that's self-defense?

You must live in Texas.

stealing stuff /= trying to kill you and your family. Yes if someone breaks into your house and kills half your family and wounds you going after them and killing them would be pretty strong mitigating factors

But it would not be self defense. If you "go after them", that's a revenge killing. And you should be prosecuted for that.


If I get stung by a wasp near my house, you bet your ass that I'm going to hunt down that nest and annihilate their immediate family.
As for aliens, they get the same rights they extend to our race.  There wan't even a hint of wanting to coexist with humans in that movie.   Fark `em.
You speak of a matter of law.  Laws do not cover extraterrestrial invasion.  Green Lantern is a comic book.
 
2013-06-21 02:37:41 PM

Latinwolf: Because they were slaves, no one cares about slaves.


That's not true:  Slaves represent a significant monetary investment.
 
2013-06-21 02:47:37 PM

Mugato: I don't buy that the movie going audience is "stupid" either. Going to the movies is usually a date/family thing so people will watch what is presented to them. But assuming that movies that blow shiat up and movies with intelligent scripts are mutually exclusive is bullshiat. That's an excuse shiatty writers give for their shiatty writing.


I remember taking a girl to Armegeddon, totally chick flick only girl, and she made the remark "Big explosions! that was awesome" on our way out.

So yes, shiatty writing excuse indeed.
 
2013-06-21 02:54:52 PM

Mugato: Crotchrocket Slim: I've always figured that studio suits didn't quite trust Bay in his early career so... they actually did their jobs and ensured the end product would be of better quality

Studio suits doing their jobs? No, I don't buy it.

I don't buy that the movie going audience is "stupid" either. Going to the movies is usually a date/family thing so people will watch what is presented to them. But assuming that movies that blow shiat up and movies with intelligent scripts are mutually exclusive is bullshiat. That's an excuse shiatty writers give for their shiatty writing.


I'm not someone I'd call "stupid" myself but I can enjoy a "dumb" movie if it isn't too bad. I guess what I'm mostly saying is Bay could be a far better director and make more interesting films even with the BAYSPLOSIONS!!!!111 but he figured out how to be "good enough" given his formula and has been doing bare minimum since.

This reminds me that I didn't hate STID or Prometheus but I did find them both to be very derivative and falling far short of the promise of both respective concepts. Damon Lindelof has developed his writing skills such that he can pen selling screenplays but they're more designed to be "not terrible" to generate revenue for the studio, not necessarily enrich the studio brand by telling a really awesome story too.

OK even in the theatre I felt regurgitating the end of Wrath of Khan was insulting; the Khan's blood deus ex machina was pretty annoying too but doubly so with the way they slapped you about the face with obvious foreshadowing (too bad as that was about the only thing Bones did in the entire movie besides score Kirk their ride away from the pre-warp village, which Jimbo phasers).
 
2013-06-21 03:00:45 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: This reminds me that I didn't hate STID or Prometheus but I did find them both to be very derivative and falling far short of the promise of both respective concepts. Damon Lindelof has developed his writing skills such that he can pen selling screenplays but they're more designed to be "not terrible" to generate revenue for the studio, not necessarily enrich the studio brand by telling a really awesome story too.


Right. But these guys get paid a shiatload of money to write scripts that if you or I submitted them to the Screenwriting 101 class at the learning annex, we'd get a C- at best. It doesn't cost a dime more to write a script that has a shiat load of shot blowing up that also doesn't insult the audience.

I just know too many talented screenwriters who can't get work while the same 7 guys get all the cool gigs and just suck so much.

/not a screenwriter
 
2013-06-21 03:06:28 PM

Mugato: Crotchrocket Slim: This reminds me that I didn't hate STID or Prometheus but I did find them both to be very derivative and falling far short of the promise of both respective concepts. Damon Lindelof has developed his writing skills such that he can pen selling screenplays but they're more designed to be "not terrible" to generate revenue for the studio, not necessarily enrich the studio brand by telling a really awesome story too.

Right. But these guys get paid a shiatload of money to write scripts that if you or I submitted them to the Screenwriting 101 class at the learning annex, we'd get a C- at best. It doesn't cost a dime more to write a script that has a shiat load of shot blowing up that also doesn't insult the audience.

I just know too many talented screenwriters who can't get work while the same 7 guys get all the cool gigs and just suck so much.

/not a screenwriter


The nature of Hollywood is that it you can't suck at what you do too terribly but if you want to succeed you have to know the right people. This won't change until the system fails or we see more things like Phase 2 being put out for love and not profit-driven reasons. Sure that's not guarantee of quality (even Crawley will admit he cringes at the results of some of the early New Voyages/Phase 2 efforts) but once this sort of thing becomes more viable you'll see whole communities of internet-tv actors much like you have whole communities of stage actors in major cities, and maybe it won't all be funded through Kickstarter.
 
2013-06-21 03:50:03 PM
funny thing is ID4 is bashed for the one thing it does right. It is more realistic Sci-Fi than most that involves alien invasion.

Their backstory doesn't have to involve Faster than Light travel, which current science still says is impossible but most Sci-Fi just assumes will be conquered. After all they take over a planet, take all of it's resources and move on with their whole civilization, you can assume they take enough with them to make decades of travel time and therefore don't violate physics as we currently understand it.

Their plan explains why they were so sneaky about visiting us and why we were visited so frequently (scouting expeditions, they needed to know if we made any quantum leaps in technology to prepare) We just happened to be the nearest planet with the necessary resources to wherever they were plundering 50 years ago.

Yes there are stupid bits (the doc as ventriloquist dummy/musical instrument and why didn't they make their own comm satellites? that little slip is how we beat them.) but on the whole there are far fewer plot holes than most invasion films.
 
2013-06-21 04:02:21 PM

Digitalstrange: Yes there are stupid bits (the doc as ventriloquist dummy/musical instrument and why didn't they make their own comm satellites? that little slip is how we beat them.) but on the whole there are far fewer plot holes than most invasion films.


Plus, one could say that it was a "homage" to flying saucer movies from the '50s, which always featured a scene with some egghead scientist spouting off bad science. I like the movie a lot, I don't care what anyone says. I'd say it has a shiatton less plot holes than the last 2 Star Treks.
 
2013-06-21 04:09:52 PM

Digitalstrange: Yes there are stupid bits (the doc as ventriloquist dummy/musical instrument and why didn't they make their own comm satellites? that little slip is how we beat them.) but on the whole there are far fewer plot holes than most invasion films.


Why make their own when they can exploit ours?  Economically, it would make sense to use resources that are already in place instead of making new ones.

Plus, it might *LOOK* like they are using ours to us, even if they are using their own.

Let's say for the sake of argument that our communication satellites listen on 5 GHz and retransmit on 10 GHz*.  Let's say that the alienses are set up to deploy their own satellites that either listen on or transmit on either of those frequencies.  That means that when they start transmitting, their signals are going to bleed into ours.  It would look like they are using our satellites to us, even if they weren't.   We might not know they deployed anything because by the time we figure out that they are bad, we don't have the time or resources to do so.


*There are a bunch of different uplink and downlink bands, and I'm not going to bother looking up the exact freqs because that's actually irrelevant to the general idea here.
 
2013-06-21 04:25:43 PM
In again to say that Will Smith clearly says "Earth" in the film.
 
2013-06-21 04:28:59 PM
whosits_112:
That's what I want to see.

No no no. That would be too smart for Roland Hackerich. No, it will just be "THE ALIENS ARE BACK AGAIN AND THEY ARE PISSED!!!"


Which is why I enjoyed Carl Sagan's "Contact" more. Aliens just can't show up and there's no "after", even if it's only alien radio transmissions of Hitler.
 
2013-06-21 05:17:57 PM
I think they should do a complete 180.  Make part 2 about Will and Jeff trying to plan a barbeque.  Have some hi jinx happen and some shenanigans.  Then the last line of the movie, zoom in on Will Smith and have him say "You know, this Barbeque is delicious.  It wouldn't have been possible if we hadn't killed all those aliens that time."

The End
 
2013-06-21 06:12:42 PM
The only question I have for an ID4 sequel: is Las Vegas the new capital of the USA? Come to think of it, no casino has imitated DC yet -- we got Paris, NY NY, Luxor, Camelot, Caesar's ...

Also, I agree, there would be potential for an aftermath storyline, but (looks at pedigree of flick) ... not expecting much from this.
 
2013-06-21 07:07:02 PM
I can see this.

Think about it: Forget the mother ship or reinforcements: It's gone, and there aren't any. But there are still 15 or so city-sized flying saucers that crashed into the Earth, many of them still relatively intact. How many aliens were on board those things? At least a couple million each? And the ones that survived the crash..... they were right the fark pissed off.

The sequel is all about the ground war. With the aliens busting out their super mecha suits.
 
2013-06-21 08:02:19 PM

Ishkur: I can see this.

Think about it: Forget the mother ship or reinforcements: It's gone, and there aren't any. But there are still 15 or so city-sized flying saucers that crashed into the Earth, many of them still relatively intact. How many aliens were on board those things? At least a couple million each? And the ones that survived the crash..... they were right the fark pissed off.

The sequel is all about the ground war. With the aliens busting out their super mecha suits.


It'll be a variation on this:  one of the ships semi-got away and crashed in Outer Farkistan, where it's been pretty much ignored, if not forgotten entirely - after all, we're trying to rebuild the world, and we've got other fish to fry.  Then one beautiful day, somebody picks up a certain signal - not a 24 hour countdown this time, but a longer one - say, 6 or 7 days - and it's traced back to that last ship.  The remains of the worlds' militaries band together to go toe to toe with the last aliens, who have an ace up their sleeves....

/trust me on this
//Loved ID4
///Still pissed though that they never showed any B-52s or A-10s in the first one
 
2013-06-21 09:56:41 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: Mugato: Something snapped in Bay somewhere in the 2 years between The Rock and Armageddon.

He figured out the formula that in general the American viewing public are idiots when it comes to cinema

[img.fark.net image 800x937]


Michael Bay Presents - Explosions
 
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2013-06-22 02:55:55 AM

noheadphones: In again to say that Will Smith clearly says "Earth" in the film.


but subtle racism is just the pinnacle of sophisticated humor!
 
x23
2013-06-22 02:58:10 AM

theorellior: You know, you make a perfect argument here, except for the fact that you can clearly see the Macbook negotiating with the remote server and gaining access. Telepathic communication or not, they still managed to invent the TCP/IP stack and AppleTalk.


you can clearly see nothing of the sort.

the first MacBooks didn't exist until a full decade after the movie came out.
 
2013-06-22 08:55:50 AM
I. Farking. Loved. ID.

Call me a simpleton, call me a moron, call me whatever.   Great movie, I can watch it anytime its on, still holds up for me.

/I can haz General Gene Hackman again?
 
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