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2013-06-21 02:30:35 AM

ShangriLlama: The idea is we want to be better than that, don't we?


That would be an admirable goal, if it were true.I grew up in the south (NC) in the 1960's and 70's and still have many relatives there, so I got to experience that "southern hospitality" up close and personal. It's hidden, even today, but it's not gone. Yes there is some on the north too, it doesn't stay on only one side of the Mason-Dixon.

It's during times of stress that who a person really is comes out, be they a hero, a coward, selfish, vain, or whatever. That's when one gets to see what a person really is. It's the reason why some soldiers earn the medal of honor, and others in the same situation do not.

As for her entire character... I don't know her. However, when I hear or know that such words have come from that person, I know to stay clear of them in future, and that they are not persons I wish to be associated with. Your background, even if it's "white trash" is not changeable... what you do with it is, and I think she is old enough to have moved past that background by the early 90's.

And I still haven't seen an answer to my question.
/off to bed
 
2013-06-21 02:39:04 AM
I've used that word more recently than 1986, and it was perfectly apt for the person and his behavior that I was describing.  It's inappropriate as a generality or gratuitous insult.
 
2013-06-21 02:39:04 AM

rewind2846: That you are defending such stupidity gives some insight into what kind of person you are.

And you still didn't answer my question, which is even more telling.


That you are making mountains out of molehills gives me some insight into this whole stupidity of this politically correct mess gives me plenty of insight into the petty, pedantic overly-politically-correct person you are.  It's a pretty petty thing that somebody said that once two decades ago.

Is what she said a good thing?  No.  However, it's so petty and insignificant that it's not worth the scandal.  It's minor at best.  I knew kids in Junior High back around the early '90's that used that word every day, because their parents did.

Fano: What are you, hard of thinking? You are pinning your checkmate to the idea that she might equally have used the n-word to describe an asian, an australian aborigine, or a caucasian?


Nope, I never said any such thing.  She used the "n word" to describe a "black" person, a "colored" person, an "Afro American", an "African-American", a "Person of Color", a "negro".  Why?  Because when she was little it was a common term with at least some derogatory intent, and if somebody had just been robbed at gunpoint by a person to which that common term applied, I wouldn't hold it against them if they said it in anger.  Where the hell did you think I said anything different.

Really, you're getting this farking worked up because in 1993 a 46 year old mother of two, working as a bank teller in Savannah, used the "n word" after she had a gun put to her head during a robbery?  According to the exact court testimony, she says she used the word in private, talking with her husband, that night, discussing what happened.   This bank teller just happened to start a catering business a few years later, which grew into a popular restaurant, which turned into her getting a cookbook and TV show deal. . .and then twenty years later when somebody wants to try to paint her as a bigoted racist or something, the biggest thing they can come up with is her admitted "n word" remark in '93?

So she's not always been a perfect model of racial tolerance and political correctness to the standards of 2013.  Who gives a flying fark?  That was 20 years ago, in Savannah, being said .  It's not like she said it on The View last week or casually threw it out on Food Network last month or printed it in one of her cookbooks.
 
2013-06-21 02:45:23 AM

Silverstaff: rewind2846: That you are defending such stupidity gives some insight into what kind of person you are.

And you still didn't answer my question, which is even more telling.

That you are making mountains out of molehills gives me some insight into this whole stupidity of this politically correct mess gives me plenty of insight into the petty, pedantic overly-politically-correct person you are.  It's a pretty petty thing that somebody said that once two decades ago.

Is what she said a good thing?  No.  However, it's so petty and insignificant that it's not worth the scandal.  It's minor at best.  I knew kids in Junior High back around the early '90's that used that word every day, because their parents did.

Fano: What are you, hard of thinking? You are pinning your checkmate to the idea that she might equally have used the n-word to describe an asian, an australian aborigine, or a caucasian?

Nope, I never said any such thing.  She used the "n word" to describe a "black" person, a "colored" person, an "Afro American", an "African-American", a "Person of Color", a "negro".  Why?  Because when she was little it was a common term with at least some derogatory intent, and if somebody had just been robbed at gunpoint by a person to which that common term applied, I wouldn't hold it against them if they said it in anger.  Where the hell did you think I said anything different.

Really, you're getting this farking worked up because in 1993 a 46 year old mother of two, working as a bank teller in Savannah, used the "n word" after she had a gun put to her head during a robbery?  According to the exact court testimony, she says she used the word in private, talking with her husband, that night, discussing what happened.   This bank teller just happened to start a catering business a few years later, which grew into a popular restaurant, which turned into her getting a cookbook and TV show deal. . .and then twenty years later when somebody wants to try to paint her as a bigot ...


uh, I think you crossed the streams. That was where I was questioning rewind on being deliberately obtuse.
 
2013-06-21 02:46:17 AM

Fano: The world is messy. And people use words of power when they feel powerless.


And if you think that calling someone a racial slur because you "feel powerless" is okay, then that is what's wrong with you.

If a black woman was being held at gunpoint... by a white guy... with a gun, you would not give her the least bit of forgiveness for uttering the words "ofay, honky, or cracker" in describing the person that did so?

Now how often have you actually heard black people use those phrases, or have you watched a few too many blaxploitation movies? I grew up in the 60's and 70's when they were much more in vogue, and seem to remember very little use, at least around me.
See, what you don't seem to understand is that racial slurs, at least in my experience, are not usually the first thing to come to mind - that is, unless you were raised that way.

lohphat: The "white man" is not your problem. The black on black violence stats stand on their own.


Never met an asian skinhead before. Is there an asian stormfront, because what you just wrote sounds very much like what the white version says on their website. How do you get into the meetings?
And those "stats"... if you were smart enough (and I doubt it) to correct for education, unemployment and underemployment, rates of poverty and family income and so on, you might see a remarkable similarity to the "violence" that other ethnic groups exhibit. White trash does just as much violence to itself, as evidenced by the posts on FARK.

But I guess that's too much to ask from someone who is so doggedly determined to somehow prove their own superiority to others without realizing that when the sh*t hits the fan your yellow ass and my black ass and his brown ass and her red ass will be in the same boat.

/off to get my beauty rest
//ta
 
2013-06-21 02:48:23 AM

rewind2846: Never met an asian skinhead before. Is there an asian stormfront, because what you just wrote sounds very much like what the white version says on their website. How do you get into the meetings?


You seem to be taking your debate style classes from the GOP yourself.

Can't refute the data so ad hominem.

/buh bye
 
2013-06-21 02:49:19 AM

Fano: uh, I think you crossed the streams. That was where I was questioning rewind on being deliberately obtuse.


Sorry about that.  I thought rewinds overly-PC "if you've ever used a slur ever in your life it's unacceptable" derp was contagious or something.
 
2013-06-21 02:59:46 AM

Silverstaff: Fano: uh, I think you crossed the streams. That was where I was questioning rewind on being deliberately obtuse.

Sorry about that.  I thought rewinds overly-PC "if you've ever used a slur ever in your life it's unacceptable" derp was contagious or something.


No problem. The not so subtle threat that also anyone that can understand why a person might use such ugly words is also a contemptible racist was what pushed me to answer more forcefully.

Furthermore, 99/100 when I see someone in a thread repeatedly saying "no one has answered my question," the means no one has given the proper response that the op wants to tee off on with what they consider the perfect diatribe. I learned this mostly in the evolution threads.
 
2013-06-21 02:59:52 AM
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2013-06-21 03:16:00 AM

lohphat: [img.fark.net image 225x425]


So asians and mexicans never kill any white or black victims?

/ your graph appears to be of the made up internet BS kind, judging from the fact that the numbers add up to 100 and exclude all other races as potential aggressors.
 
2013-06-21 03:19:05 AM
So all of the sudden a rich white girl has the hots for the song:  "Rich nubians in Paris" and everybody has their underwear in a bunch.

At least her butt is not anywhere near as big and ugly as Beyoncé's.
 
2013-06-21 03:30:19 AM

Baron Harkonnen: She was asked under oath if she'd ever used the word N--ger.  Come on, who hasn't used that word in a sentence at least once?  Jesus.
Being this repressed isn't good for society.


I can honestly say I never have.

And nor have I ever wanted to.

I sure as hell didn't grow up in a multi racial utopia (SE Michigan, so lots of issues with black/white relations for sure) - but still.   That apparently Paula didn't see what was wrong with having an ideal situation of nicely identically dressed black people serving her and her guests (much worse than dropping the n word IMHO)... blows my mind.
 
2013-06-21 03:32:17 AM

lohphat: rewind2846: Never met an asian skinhead before. Is there an asian stormfront, because what you just wrote sounds very much like what the white version says on their website. How do you get into the meetings?

You seem to be taking your debate style classes from the GOP yourself.

Can't refute the data so ad hominem.

/buh bye


"Data" without context is bullsh*t. Of course you would know this if you had actually, you know, taken some debate classes. Your professor would have evicted you from the class the first day.

I sound fat: lohphat: [img.fark.net image 225x425]

So asians and mexicans never kill any white or black victims?

/ your graph appears to be of the made up internet BS kind, judging from the fact that the numbers add up to 100 and exclude all other races as potential aggressors.


And this. No one ever kills anyone else, just black people and white people. As I said, bullsh*t.

Silverstaff:
Sorry about that.  I thought rewinds overly-PC "if you've ever used a slur ever in your life it's unacceptable" derp was contagious or something.

What it does is tell me what kind of person you are. Some people go through stress after stress without using such language, and some people don't. BTW, it would help your case if you let go of that phrase "politically correct", because we all know what it really means, and is usually used by butthurt white males who get caught saying dumb sh*t they know they shouldn't, and who can't deal with the fact that the world and society is changing and their prehistoric attitudes are no longer accepted.

"Women don't accept being called b*tches and c*nts any more, black people get upset when you call them n****rs, spades, jigaboos or porch monkeys, asians get incensed after they're called slopes or gooks or chinks, even mentally and physically handicapped people get pissed when they're called retards and cripples! What's this world coming to? Why are they getting all upset? Dammit back in my day..."

/and so it goes
 
2013-06-21 03:32:36 AM

rewind2846: See, what you don't seem to understand is that racial slurs, at least in my experience, are not usually the first thing to come to mind - that is, unless you were raised that way.


image1.frequency.com

/bears repeating
 
2013-06-21 03:45:10 AM

rewind2846: Silverstaff:

Drop the goddamn politically correct bullshiat.  Guess what: not every person is perfect, and if you're going to go all holier than thou on somebody who used a racial slur 20 years ago after they had a gun pressed to their head.

Nothing to do with being "politically correct", which I believe is code for "I can't be an asshole anymore"... it has to do with where your head was at, what kind of person you choose to be.

Some asshole asian driver cuts me off on the freeway, the word "gook" isn't what comes into my head, but the word "asshole" does. Some woman pushes ahead of me in line, "c*nt" is not what first comes out of my mouth. No one is perfect, but you make the choice.

You're trying to make excuses for inexcusable behavior. I might be willing to give her, and you, a pass if this were 1963 when she said it... but it was supposed to be in the early 90's. There is no excuse. Why she may not have used the same term as she might have had a white man had her at gunpoint gives one some insight as to what kind of person she really is, and not the facade she puts on for her television audience. That you are defending such stupidity gives some insight into what kind of person you are.

And you still didn't answer my question, which is even more telling.


That's probably the best down&dirty explanation of who is and is not a racist I've ever come across. Everyone has an automatic epithet when they encounter stupidity in life. Nevermind that the asshole driver cut you off because they weren't paying attention. If your automatic response is to vilify that person based upon a racial stereotype--then you are racist. If it is to vilify that person based on a sexist stereotype--then you are sexist.

[ponders]

I like it.
 
2013-06-21 04:31:07 AM
deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-21 05:14:23 AM

rewind2846: Mock26: Different levels of anger call for different words.

Bullsh*t. If a white man was equally angry at another white man, would he call that other white man a n****r?
Stop making excuses, it's making you look really stupid.


Stop being a brainwashed, politically correct drone.  It is making you look like a farking asshole.
 
2013-06-21 06:04:06 AM

Mock26: rewind2846: Mock26: Different levels of anger call for different words.

Bullsh*t. If a white man was equally angry at another white man, would he call that other white man a n****r?
Stop making excuses, it's making you look really stupid.

Stop being a brainwashed, politically correct drone.  It is making you look like a farking asshole.


Batter an asshole than scum that makes excuses for racists. I'll take that "asshole" t-shirt now, size xl thanks.
 
2013-06-21 06:05:59 AM
Better an asshole than scum that makes excuses for racists. I'll take that "asshole" t-shirt now, size xl thanks.

/FTFM
//I hate typos
 
2013-06-21 06:48:04 AM
Can't we just go full-Soviet, make racism and the n-word a crime, then start putting people on trial for even the slightest suspicion of racism?
 
2013-06-21 06:54:13 AM

theBigBigEye: Can't we just go full-Soviet, make racism and the n-word a crime, then start putting people on trial for even the slightest suspicion of racism?


I wouldn't recommend that. Being a racist shouldn't be a criminal activity. It's a sickness, a disease of the mind passed from parent to child. It will only disappear with education and time. Criminalizing it would only drive it further underground, like child molesters.

Besides, I'm glad when the racists say something stupid... makes them easier to find and ostracize.
 
2013-06-21 06:55:16 AM

varmitydog: Babwa Wawa: So if you were placed under oath, you would swear to God that you've never said the word, right?

Damn straight. My company was once sued for discrimination by a deadbeat black worker by the black agenda assh*les out of Tallahassee, and won. A key point in my favor was that nobody ever heard me say the "n" word. It's not what ultimately decided the case (some fellow rural black friends speaking for me did that) but to have every witness asked if they'd ever heard me say it and have them say no didn't hurt any, either.
/In the south, being raised right used to protect you.


The question was not, "varmitydog, has anyone ever heard you use the word 'n&gger'?"


The question was "have you ever said n&gger?"

If the word has ever passed your lips. Regardless of context.

It's an irrelevant question to determine whether someone's a racist.
 
2013-06-21 07:04:29 AM

rewind2846: Better an asshole than scum that makes excuses for racists. I'll take that "asshole" t-shirt now, size xl thanks.

/FTFM
//I hate typos


i found your store

chubstr.com
 
2013-06-21 07:39:01 AM

rewind2846: Mock26: rewind2846: Mock26: Different levels of anger call for different words.

Bullsh*t. If a white man was equally angry at another white man, would he call that other white man a n****r?
Stop making excuses, it's making you look really stupid.

Stop being a brainwashed, politically correct drone.  It is making you look like a farking asshole.

Batter an asshole than scum that makes excuses for racists. I'll take that "asshole" t-shirt now, size xl thanks.


Better make sure that the people who tell you what to think tell you it is OK to be an asshole before you go spending your money.
 
2013-06-21 07:53:40 AM

Mock26:
Better make sure that the people who tell you what to think tell you it is OK to be an asshole before you go spending your money.

So people who say "now don't be a racist asshole toward other people" are the bad guys now?
What I think is "how would I like to be treated by other people?" and just run with that idea. Works like a charm.
Dude... you are one seriously twisted psyche.
Besides, that tshirt should be free.


Jon iz teh kewl: rewind2846: Better an asshole than scum that makes excuses for racists. I'll take that "asshole" t-shirt now, size xl thanks.

i found your store


Nah, they sell old people clothes.
 
2013-06-21 08:12:08 AM
Is being racist againt the law or something? Every time i see the word "racist" in a headline, my thoughts are "who cares"..
 
2013-06-21 08:51:17 AM
What's the big deal?

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 09:03:21 AM
I love stories like these. Keep helping to make the word "racism" utterly void of any tangible meaning.
 
2013-06-21 09:04:46 AM
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 09:07:28 AM

Mock26: rewind2846: Mock26: rewind2846: Mock26: Different levels of anger call for different words.

Bullsh*t. If a white man was equally angry at another white man, would he call that other white man a n****r?
Stop making excuses, it's making you look really stupid.

Stop being a brainwashed, politically correct drone.  It is making you look like a farking asshole.

Batter an asshole than scum that makes excuses for racists. I'll take that "asshole" t-shirt now, size xl thanks.

Better make sure that the people who tell you what to think tell you it is OK to be an asshole before you go spending your money.


Just ignore that douche.  Much like Drox, they are the racist one.  I did get to add them to the ignore list and suggest ya do the same.
 
2013-06-21 09:12:30 AM
I don't see what the big deal is, you would be hard pressed to find anyone who could swear under oath that they never said that word.
 
2013-06-21 09:21:09 AM

kimmygibblershomework: Mock26: rewind2846: Mock26: rewind2846: Mock26: Different levels of anger call for different words.

Bullsh*t. If a white man was equally angry at another white man, would he call that other white man a n****r?
Stop making excuses, it's making you look really stupid.

Stop being a brainwashed, politically correct drone.  It is making you look like a farking asshole.

Batter an asshole than scum that makes excuses for racists. I'll take that "asshole" t-shirt now, size xl thanks.

Better make sure that the people who tell you what to think tell you it is OK to be an asshole before you go spending your money.

Just ignore that douche.  Much like Drox, they are the racist one.  I did get to add them to the ignore list and suggest ya do the same.


You shouldn't ignore Drox I have him favorites with the tag "read his posts in an Uncle Remus voice" it makes him humorous. He is nothing but a low rent wanna be Louis Farrakhan (sp?) Filled with impotent rage. Even if you try to have discussion to understand his side he will just put up his little black panther fist and tell you "I don't need your white man understanding. Now go away my mama's making me lunch."
 
2013-06-21 09:50:27 AM
called it
 
2013-06-21 09:51:51 AM

rewind2846: Better an asshole than scum that makes excuses for racists. I'll take that "asshole" t-shirt now, size xl thanks.

/FTFM
//I hate typos


You could have just called it another Paula Deen pun.
 
2013-06-21 10:28:27 AM
Let me know when black people are banned from saying the word "cracker".

/Freedom of speech does not exist if any words are banned
 
2013-06-21 10:34:31 AM

I sound fat: lohphat: [img.fark.net image 225x425]

So asians and mexicans never kill any white or black victims?

/ your graph appears to be of the made up internet BS kind, judging from the fact that the numbers add up to 100 and exclude all other races as potential aggressors.


Would stats from the FBI's website make you happy or are you still going to deny the data supporting the premise that black on black crime is where the "oppression" is coming from?

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-21 10:51:07 AM
Since when does using the N-word automatically make a person a racist? If we define racism that broadly, then we could all be considered racist, and the word loses all meaning.
 
2013-06-21 11:33:06 AM
At first I was all glad that the usual racist Farkers were conspicuously absent from this thread. Then i saw this:

lohphat:
You can't be black and incensed if you accept the word in everyday speech referring to one another.

"Black People Say it. Why can't I?"

lohphat: My grandfather was Chinese


"I have minorities in my family"

So then I was still pretty happy that at least the proud, angry, ignorant Sormfront racists were no-shows, and all we had were some clueless racists. Then I saw this:

lohphat: I have little pity for a culture that can't pull its pants up, abhors education, and embraces mysogeny


"Black people are sloppy, ignorant misogynists [sic]... "

lohphat: If you want to treated with respect, how about showing some self-respect?


" ...with no self respect... "

lohphat: I don't consider getting a HS education and speaking like an adult "acting white".


"... and are not only proud of their ignorance, but also acknowledge that white people are less ignorant"

Wow. I mean... wow.

lohphat: You, unfortunately are not representative. You know this


He's one of the good ones, amirite?
 
2013-06-21 11:35:28 AM

Amusement: There's a time and place for even "Lootie" to show up.  This is one of those times cause I don't care about Paula Dean calorie excessive fat infused personal life.

[i379.photobucket.com image 350x450]


+1 interwebz
i don't care if i'm late
 
2013-06-21 11:39:55 AM

Bullseyed: Let me know when black people are banned from saying the word "cracker".


/Freedom of speech does not exist if any words are banned

What are you going on about? What word has been "banned"?
 
2013-06-21 11:42:33 AM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: At first I was all glad that the usual racist Farkers were conspicuously absent from this thread. Then i saw this:

[selective overgeneralizations and misquotes]


That was a lot of effort to avoid the premise that is shared by many that the self-destructive behaviors in the "black commuity" need to be acknowledged and addressed. The inter-generational dysfunction of fatherless households, dropping out of school, misogyny (happy now?), and appeal to organized crime have to be addressed.

Bill Cosby, John McWhorter, B. Obama, et al have commented on this.

This is not an indictment that nothing can change, but that change is needed from within.

But no. It's easier to call us "racists" then address the problem.

Good job.

/and yes, I think Zimmerman committed murder
 
2013-06-21 12:12:54 PM
Ah, glad to see the *Fark Racist Hunters came out.
Diligently tracking down any perceived racial judgement or slur anywhere in America, then outing the RACISTS, so we all know not to listen to anything they say. Keep up the noble cause! Your work is important.
 
2013-06-21 12:34:16 PM

lohphat: derp derp derp. But no. It's easier to call us "racists"


I don't know what's in your heart. All I know about  you is the nonstop stream of racist mouthpoop you've been glurging out into this discussion. So I suppose it's possible that you're just a normal, non-racist person who loves to say lots of extremely racist things, and argue passionately that a variety of really offensive racist stereotypes are actually true. But I'll stick with Occam's razor on this one.

then address the problem.

You concern is touching
 
2013-06-21 12:40:13 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: I don't know what's in your heart. All I know about  you is the nonstop stream of racist mouthpoop you've been glurging out into this discussion.


"mouthpoop"?

I'm in good company:

We Cannot Blame the White People any Longer by Bill Cosby

...People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around.

The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.

These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.

$500 sneakers for what?

And they won't spend $200 for "Hooked on Phonics."

....

I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.

Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18, and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol?

And where is the father? Or who is his father?

People putting their clothes on backward. Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong?

People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something?

...

I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don't have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany, Scotland, England, Ireland, or the Netherlands.

The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa - so stop, already!

With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap...and all of them are in jail.

Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem.

We have got to take the neighborhood back. People used to be ashamed.

Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' - or men or whatever you call them now.

We have millionaire football players who cannot read. We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We, as black folks, have to do a better job.

Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us.

We have to start holding each other to a higher standard....

----

Yeah, "mouthpoop".
 
2013-06-21 12:46:22 PM
Losing the Race: Self-Sabotage in Black America by John McWhorter (accomplished author who happens to also be black)
"Berkeley linguistics professor John McWhorter, born at the dawn of the post-Civil Rights era, spent years trying to make sense of this question. Now he dares to say the unsayable: racism's ugliest legacy is the disease of defeatism that has infected black America. Losing the Race explores the three main components of this cultural virus: the cults of victimology, separatism, and antiintellectualism that are making blacks their own worst enemies in the struggle for success.

More angry than Stephen Carter, more pragmatic and compassionate than Shelby Steele, more forward-looking than Stanley Crouch, McWhorter represents an original and provocative point of view. With Losing the Race, a bold new voice rises among black intellectuals."

And his follow-up:

Winning the Race: Beyond the Crisis in Black America

"In his first major book on the state of black America since the New York Times bestseller Losing the Race, John McWhorter argues that a renewed commitment to achievement and integration is the only cure for the crisis in the African-American community.
Winning the Race examines the roots of the serious problems facing black Americans today-poverty, drugs, and high incarceration rates-and contends that none of the commonly accepted reasons can explain the decline of black communities since the end of segregation in the 1960s. Instead, McWhorter posits that a sense of victimhood and alienation that came to the fore during the civil rights era has persisted to the present day in black culture, even though most blacks today have never experienced the racism of the segregation era.

McWhorter traces the effects of this disempowering conception of black identity, from the validation of living permanently on welfare to gansta rap's glorification of irresponsibility and violence as a means of "protest." He discusses particularly specious claims of racism, attacks the destructive posturing of black leaders and the "hip-hop academics," and laments that a successful black person must be faced with charges of "acting white." While acknowledging that racism still exists in America today, McWhorter argues that both blacks and whites must move past blaming racism for every challenge blacks face, and outlines the steps necessary for improving the future of black America."
 
2013-06-21 01:39:55 PM

lohphat: Ctrl-Alt-Del: I don't know what's in your heart. All I know about  you is the nonstop stream of racist mouthpoop you've been glurging out into this discussion.

"mouthpoop"?

I'm in good company:

We Cannot Blame the White People any Longer by Bill Cosby

...People marched and were hit in the face with rocks to get an Education, and now we've got these knuckleheads walking around.

The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal.

These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids.

$500 sneakers for what?

And they won't spend $200 for "Hooked on Phonics."

....

I am talking about these people who cry when their son is standing there in an orange suit.

Where were you when he was 2? Where were you when he was 12? Where were you when he was 18, and how come you didn't know that he had a pistol?

And where is the father? Or who is his father?

People putting their clothes on backward. Isn't that a sign of something gone wrong?

People with their hats on backward, pants down around the crack, isn't that a sign of something?

...

I was born here, and so were my parents and grand parents and, very likely my great grandparents. I don't have any connection to Africa, no more than white Americans have to Germany, Scotland, England, Ireland, or the Netherlands.

The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans as regards to Africa - so stop, already!

With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap...and all of them are in jail.

Brown or black versus the Board of Education is no longer the white person's problem.

We have got to take the neighborhood back. People used to be ashamed.

Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' - or men or whatever you call them now.

We have millionaire football players who cannot read. We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We, as black folks, have to do a better job.

Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are ...


Bill Cosby rules.  And I like the speeches he gives about this very topic.  It's good to see that he's trying to be critical and yet make a difference at the same time.
 
2013-06-21 02:01:57 PM

titwrench: kimmygibblershomework: Mock26: rewind2846: Mock26: rewind2846: Mock26: Different levels of anger call for different words.

Bullsh*t. If a white man was equally angry at another white man, would he call that other white man a n****r?
Stop making excuses, it's making you look really stupid.

Stop being a brainwashed, politically correct drone.  It is making you look like a farking asshole.

Batter an asshole than scum that makes excuses for racists. I'll take that "asshole" t-shirt now, size xl thanks.

Better make sure that the people who tell you what to think tell you it is OK to be an asshole before you go spending your money.

Just ignore that douche.  Much like Drox, they are the racist one.  I did get to add them to the ignore list and suggest ya do the same.

You shouldn't ignore Drox I have him favorites with the tag "read his posts in an Uncle Remus voice" it makes him humorous. He is nothing but a low rent wanna be Louis Farrakhan (sp?) Filled with impotent rage. Even if you try to have discussion to understand his side he will just put up his little black panther fist and tell you "I don't need your white man understanding. Now go away my mama's making me lunch."


I like Drox. I especially like him the threads where people are really wearing their Klan robes, he really takes it to them.
 
2013-06-21 02:24:50 PM
Seriously,  unless a racist affects my ability to get service or goods or affect my income flow I could give 2 farks.  Please feel free to believe whatever the hell you want, i am not going to trample on your right to say anything in this word to anyone,  nor im i going to  try to get you to think my way about race. it makes it easier for me to make my ,  should I avoid this person"decision tree  much easier to complete .
 
2013-06-21 03:47:37 PM

rewind2846: Mock26:
Better make sure that the people who tell you what to think tell you it is OK to be an asshole before you go spending your money.

So people who say "now don't be a racist asshole toward other people" are the bad guys now?
What I think is "how would I like to be treated by other people?" and just run with that idea. Works like a charm.
Dude... you are one seriously twisted psyche.
Besides, that tshirt should be free.


No.  I am not saying that at all.  I am saying that people who say "this word can only mean one thing or can only be said by one type of person"  are the bad guys. 
Nor have I ever said anything that would run contrary to "how would I like to be treated by other people" is a bad thing.  Some people, however, are not worth any sort of consideration along those lines.  If someone hits you in the back of the head and is currently yanking your wallet out of your pocket do you really believe that thinking "how would I like to be treated by other people" would work like a charm at that moment?  Does that person who is mugging you deserve to be treated with dignity and respect and as a human being?  No.  They do not.  That person is the lowest form of scum to ever crawl out of the gutter and deserves every single scrap of anger and hatred that can be summoned up from the depths of your soul.  If you want to care about that person's feelings then go ahead.  I, however, will not.
 
2013-06-21 04:35:17 PM

Silverstaff: rewind2846: Silverstaff: Believe it or not, there were a lot of parts of the south were that word was still in significant use 20 years ago. The idea that a white woman in Savannah in 1993 might use that word in an emotionally charged situation like the aftermath of a bank robbery where she was held at gunpoint is NOT surprising.

Okay... so the question still stands - as I asked another poster, "If she said that word every time she was under stress, what word would she have used if the gunman was white?"

If the "under stress" excuse is the one she's going with, then why not use the same word no matter who is holding her at gunpoint?
The answer to that is the tell. There is no excuse.

Drop the goddamn politically correct bullshiat.  Guess what: not every person is perfect, and if you're going to go all holier than thou on somebody who used a racial slur 20 years ago after they had a gun pressed to their head.

I guess you've never once in your life ever said anything you'd regret, even if it was decades prior?  Not a single racial slur, not a single sexist comment, not a single homophobic joke, not a single Islamophobic or anti-Semitic remark?

She probably would have called him an asshole, or a farker or something.  Yeah, there is an excuse, people aren't perfect, and somebody saying a word doesn't instantly make them a bad person.

So yeah, it's a fine excuse: people aren't perfect, and one racial slur said in a emotionally charged incident 20 years ago is perfectly forgivable to any reasonable person.


In may states if a man walks in on his wife have sex with another man and he kills the man 'in the heat of passion' he gets off scott free for murder.  I would think having a gun to your head would get you at least 1 free use of the N-word.
 
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