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(AZCentral)   Pressing American issue worth $30 billion: A) Alternate energy, B) Better food-safety inspection, C) Balloon tower border defense, now with surveillance drones, to keep those Mexican balloons out   (azcentral.com) divider line 59
    More: Stupid, senate floor, boots on the ground, Bob Corker, border security, alternate energy, Chuck Schumer, borders, John Hoeven  
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2013-06-20 11:54:43 PM  

Pray 4 Mojo: Me: "balloon tower"? Seems interesting... reads first paragraph of TFA... nothing... Ctrl-F... nothing.

Now I'm just confused... and angry.

Sooooooo angry.


idgi either but no one else is saying anything so maybe we're dumb. Or maybe moderators played mix-and-match with headlines and articles.
 
2013-06-21 12:42:20 AM  

Mock26: TuteTibiImperes: Ambitwistor: $30 billion over what period of time?  To pay for 40,000 agents, that's $750,000 per agent.  Over a 10-year time span, it would be $75,000/year for each agent.

Training, benefits costs, equipment (uniforms, guns, vehicles, etc), and logistics/HR all add in too.

Border patrol agents get a $1500 stipend for uniforms.  Even if not an annual expenditure that is still a $60,000,000!  Sure, it is not a lot compared to $30 billion, but still a pretty hefty expenditure.  If it is an annual expenditure then that will start to add up really quickly.


If you realize how much uniforms cost and how often they need to be replaced after being damaged... that seems reasonable
 
2013-06-21 01:22:29 AM  

JSam21: Mock26: TuteTibiImperes: Ambitwistor: $30 billion over what period of time?  To pay for 40,000 agents, that's $750,000 per agent.  Over a 10-year time span, it would be $75,000/year for each agent.

Training, benefits costs, equipment (uniforms, guns, vehicles, etc), and logistics/HR all add in too.

Border patrol agents get a $1500 stipend for uniforms.  Even if not an annual expenditure that is still a $60,000,000!  Sure, it is not a lot compared to $30 billion, but still a pretty hefty expenditure.  If it is an annual expenditure then that will start to add up really quickly.

If you realize how much uniforms cost and how often they need to be replaced after being damaged... that seems reasonable


Of any agency, I can see the Border Patrol being the roughest on uniforms.  They're working in the warmest climate region of the country, mostly out in the boonies, and probably have to engage in foot pursuit more often than most other federal agencies.
 
2013-06-21 03:21:11 AM  

Mock26: How much  to border patrol agents make?  I could use a new job.


http://www.borderpatrolrecruiter.com/bpa_benefits_salary/

Entry-level Border Patrol recruits earn between $36,000 and $46,000 in their first year, with the potential of earning up to $70,000 per year within three years of service. You can earn from 10% to 25% additional pay for the performance of extra duty time. Agents can be paid night deferential pay, Sunday pay, and Holiday pay.
 
2013-06-21 05:16:44 AM  

JSam21: Mock26: TuteTibiImperes: Ambitwistor: $30 billion over what period of time?  To pay for 40,000 agents, that's $750,000 per agent.  Over a 10-year time span, it would be $75,000/year for each agent.

Training, benefits costs, equipment (uniforms, guns, vehicles, etc), and logistics/HR all add in too.

Border patrol agents get a $1500 stipend for uniforms.  Even if not an annual expenditure that is still a $60,000,000!  Sure, it is not a lot compared to $30 billion, but still a pretty hefty expenditure.  If it is an annual expenditure then that will start to add up really quickly.

If you realize how much uniforms cost and how often they need to be replaced after being damaged... that seems reasonable


I did not mean to imply that it was unreasonable.  I was just pointing out where some of the $30 billion will go.
 
2013-06-21 07:08:17 AM  
I think it's too late to 'secure' the border. The illegal immigration situation is already so bad that half the signs in stores are in spanish.
 
2013-06-21 08:10:04 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: TheGogmagog: Not to mention we're talking about Southern California and Arizona. not a whole lot of thunderstorms

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(Huachuca is the Chiricahua Apache word for thunder.)


I said not a whole lot, not that it doesn't happen at all.  Even  Albert Hammond says it SEEMS like it never rains in southern California.  Granted that, and a few visits to the area doesn't make me an expert, but the north American southwest desert isn't known for frequent rainfall any more than Iraq and Afghanistan where they were previously deployed.  The balloons would be able to be reeled in when the (however rare) thunderstorms are in the forecast.
 
2013-06-21 08:29:25 AM  

WordyGrrl: Oh just pith away a few billion and build a Berlin Wall facsimile on the southern US border already. That's what the baggers and xenophones want, so just let them pay for it.


And could someone please photoshoop a sombrero on this guy for when said wall goes live?
[img.fark.net image 550x369]


"No wall can stand against the yearning of justice, the yearnings for freedom, the yearnings for peace that burns in the human heart.   So while I am not the first American President to come to this gate, I am proud to stand on its Eastern side to pay tribute to the past."  -President Obama

I'm no more historian than I am a weatherman, but do I have this right?  If it were Mexico building the wall and shooting it's own citizens to keep them from escaping, we'd be against the wall?
 
2013-06-21 01:07:36 PM  

TheGogmagog: WordyGrrl: Oh just pith away a few billion and build a Berlin Wall facsimile on the southern US border already. That's what the baggers and xenophones want, so just let them pay for it.


And could someone please photoshoop a sombrero on this guy for when said wall goes live?
[img.fark.net image 550x369]

"No wall can stand against the yearning of justice, the yearnings for freedom, the yearnings for peace that burns in the human heart.   So while I am not the first American President to come to this gate, I am proud to stand on its Eastern side to pay tribute to the past."  -President Obama

I'm no more historian than I am a weatherman, but do I have this right?  If it were Mexico building the wall and shooting it's own citizens to keep them from escaping, we'd be against the wall?


Hmm, that's a tossup, isn't it? We might say it'd be bad for Mexico to wall in their own citizens, but then it'd be bad for us to lose that cheap labor.
 
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