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(Reuters)   After just two weeks, new Palestinian prime minister has had enough   (reuters.com) divider line 18
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2013-06-20 11:23:05 PM
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NostroZ: sendtodave: clambam: Genocide! Apartheid! Land grab!

The state of Israel itself was a lad grab.

Everything else follows from that.

?  Are you being intentionally sarcastic or trolling ?


What, it's impossible to think that a nation created whole cloth in the late 1940s sits on someone else's land?

Do you also say, America was built on the graves of the Natives and "everything else follows from that".

That's a fair statement.  Guns, germs, steel, and some BS "divine right" made America.

When the settlers landed at Plymouth, they thanked God for such a great land.  Why, it was almost as if it was already a village, and the fields were already plowed!  Because they had been.  By the natives who all died of disease before "we" got there.

Thanks, God, their deaths prove we deserve this country!  They lost because God wants us to live here!

Huh, odd, sounds like we're talking about Israel again.
2013-06-20 09:52:42 PM
2 votes:

clambam: Genocide! Apartheid! Land grab!


The state of Israel itself was a lad grab.

Everything else follows from that.
2013-06-22 04:27:06 AM
1 votes:

themindiswatching: 1. Does the US carry out the punishment for groups who do this by removing their tax-exempt status? I have not heard of the IRS actually doing so. (I also have the feeling that if the IRS tried, that part would get thrown out on First Amendment grounds.)


1. You're comparing what happened in a single El Paso church in Texas, which is illegal under federal law, to a nation wide accepted phenomena. Do you understand how your comparison is a farking joke ?

themindiswatching: 2. Define "fundamentalist".


2. Do some reading on the Muslim Brotherhood. If you're comparing them to the majority of the US population, who consider themselves religious, you are out of your farking mind.

themindiswatching: 3. Humans are tribal in general, it just manifests itself differently in the West. Sports teams, for example.


3. I can't stress enough how little you seem to understand the term 'tribal' in an arab society. Again, it does not resemble what you are trying to present as similar to the West, 'manifest itself differently' is a huge understatement and that was my point. Do some reading on the subject.

themindiswatching: 4. It won't be if we continue to tell the Middle East that their democracy "isn't good enough" because they elect people we don't like.


4. It's not "people we don't like" it's turning a democracy into a fundamentalist islamic theocracy, as in the opposite of democracy. Do you understand the difference between democracy and a theocracy ? one is not like the other.

themindiswatching: 5. It won't  now.Things may have been different before the 20th century, though. Oh wait, they were.


5. Are you seriously bringing in something that happened almost 2 centuries ago as relevant to what i said ? really ?

themindiswatching: We've had a few hundred years to iron out the issues


Again this was exactly my point.

themindiswatching: people in the West think that's a bad thing because it's not like ours yet.


I don't think it's bad, i just think an islamic theocracy is not a democracy. Strange i know.
2013-06-21 06:08:34 PM
1 votes:

themindiswatching: The other guy had ties to Hosni Mubarak's regime. It's understandable why they wouldn't want to go back to that.


"The other guy" ? there were more than 20 registered different parties for the elections.

themindiswatching: That's the whole point of democracy. While it may be a net negative for individual rights, it's their choice to make.


No it's not. The point of democracy is not to self destruct and turn into a fundamentalist theocracy.
Democracy is not to blame, it's the mentality and culture of the voters.
2013-06-21 11:00:05 AM
1 votes:

Mrfusticle: Pro-tip: Revolutions are  always executed by the middle class


Question being, WHO IS the 'middle class' of Egypt or the Palestinians.

Is it a religious fundamentalist who practices honor killings?  Is it a secular intellectual?  Is it a generational militant tribesmen (i.e. Afghanistan)?


You're trying to paint ALL 'middle class' people with one brush stroke and it's false.
Every country has a middle of the pyramid... but THEY ARE DIFFERENT TOPS on each Pyramid and it follows different middles & bottoms.

Lets be more specific in who we are talking about.  The devil is in the details and cultures are quiet different as you travel the world.
2013-06-21 10:59:44 AM
1 votes:

Mrfusticle: magine if those protests happened in the US (ie the US was governed by populist, backward religious zealots or military dictators) .. It would be young students and middle class types demanding more political and economic freedom.. But wait! That's all very well on the surface but if they actually got their way and had *gasp* elections then the country would be taken over by even worse fundamentalist throwbacks!

Pro-tip: Revolutions are  always executed by the middle class


Um, my point was that the clusterfark in Egypt was seen miles away to anyone who knew how the Middle-East works.
The majority of voting people in Egypt are not young students or middle class and the difference between the US and Egypt is extreme.
2013-06-21 10:27:29 AM
1 votes:

NostroZ: n the Middle East there is NO HISTORY OF DEMOCRACY.
They have NEVER had it and they do NOT WORK in an independently minded fashion.  They are a TRIBAL culture.  They vote with their tribe.  There is no debate or discussion.  You are either WITH US or AGAINST US.  That's how extremists work, all the time (not just after 9/11, as with Bush).


It's rare to see such an accurate description of Middle-East mentality on Fark.

Reminds me of the "arab spring" protests in Egypt, where western news agencies were showing non-religious people marching in Cairo holding signs 'grow your brain not your beard' and they seriously thought Egypt will be a democratic heaven once the elections are held.
Anyone with a tiny understanding of the region's mentality knew where this clusterfark was headed. People think that Egypt is made of the secular looking people who marched the streets of Cairo and they were shocked, SHOCKED i tell you, when the first thing they did is turn Egypt into a fundamentalist islamic theocracy.
2013-06-21 10:02:49 AM
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Mrfusticle: Yo're right! The Israel land grab was performed in the modern era with the tacit consent of the UN and backed by the US --- The NA holocaust was perpetrated hundreds of years ago by some antediluvian thugs.


Except that it was less than 200 years ago.
It also involved genocide and outright denial of legal American/Native contracts, to the point of Jackson going against the US Supreme Court in killing/removing the Natives.

Israel is COMPLETELY different.  No genocide. Land was purchased from Arabs and Jews lived in the region since antiquity.

But, it's funny how your white guilt does not allow you to see the difference.
2013-06-21 04:31:35 AM
1 votes:

zimbach: Generations have died and continue to fight over a tiny stretch of land, and even tinier subsections of that land, and the only explanation anyone can give is some variant of "We were here first" and/or "G-d told us to move here". But really, what's so great about it? Geographically, it's a place a lot of different people would have to pass through while going between Africa, Arabia, and the Caucuses, and thus might make a good place for a toll booth, but it seems a thoroughly unpleasant place to live for any length of time, women of the IDF notwithstanding.


The weather is really prime, and it's a crossroads for land trade between Asia and Europe (and East Africa  to a certain extent).  It's also a major tourist/pilgrimage hub, which is really its main blessing and curse.

People are fighting over holy rocks in a tourist trap, and not much else.
2013-06-21 12:04:47 AM
1 votes:
Washington was right, no foreign entanglements.

Go home to Israel, crypto-American media whores.
2013-06-20 10:19:14 PM
1 votes:

Stone Meadow: NostroZ: This is how a military theocracy works.   PalestiniansHamas do NOT want Democracy.
Here is your proof.

Fixed...though there is some overlap.


Funny thing is that the Palestinians ELECTED HAMAS in 2006.

I know it's easier to follow a Disney version pretending the poor underdogs are being manipulated by a small group of evildoers, but it's pretty ingrained in the Palestinian culture.

You are either with us or against us.  If you are a collaborator you will be executed.
So here is a PERFECT example of what happens to a Fatah Prime Minister in the face of a Theocratic military opponent.  He FOLDS UP like a cheap metal chair!  Democracy only works when the rule of law is followed, not a US vs. THEM mentality that is based in an extremist version of Sharia law.
2013-06-20 10:11:50 PM
1 votes:

NostroZ: This is how a military theocracy works.   PalestiniansHamas do NOT want Democracy.
Here is your proof.


Fixed...though there is some overlap.
2013-06-20 10:07:49 PM
1 votes:
Sounds like the guy & his family got threatened after being accused of being a collaborator with the West.

A moderate academic of Fatah getting kicked out "unexpectedly over a dispute of power" and Hamas yelling on his way out that "Hamdallah's resignation indicates that unilateral steps remain weak, are useless and do not resolve the internal Palestinian problem ... The solution is not in having many governments. It is in the implementing the reconciliationagreement."

Translation:  Only Hamas.  Only their version of Sharia.  No Fatah.  No negotiations.  Not even with their own people.  This is not a Democratic state.  This is not how a Democracy functions.

The new Prime Minister / President should not have to run with his tail between his legs after being rightfully elected because of a "dispute over his power".

This is how a military theocracy works.  Palestinians do NOT want Democracy.
Here is your proof.
2013-06-20 09:38:41 PM
1 votes:
Obviously this vindicates Israel and proves that everything bad that happens to the Palestinians is self-inflicted and their own fault.
2013-06-20 08:50:48 PM
1 votes:

clambam: Curse those Israelis for forcing the Palestinians to be corrupt kleptocrats! And look how Israel has maneuvered  Assad into use nerve gas on his own people! Meanwhile the Israeli genocide against the Palestinian people continues as evil Jews lull innocent Arabs into a sense of false security by allowing their numbers to quadruple in the West Bank since 1967. Then, when they least expect it, Wham! Genocide! Booyah! And don't get me started on how the Jews' unwillingness to allow relentlessly hostile people who are not now and have never been citizens of Israel, free access to the entire country is apartheid. It's apartheid, I tell you! They have no homeland, certainly not that country next door where they make up 60% of the population! Or the Israeli land grab which can be measured in acres per year--acres per year!--which will result in the complete occupation of the West Bank some time in the late 2070's. Genocide! Apartheid! Land grab! It's not fair! Why won't the cursed Israelis let their neighbors kills them?


Cynical, satirical and guaranteed to infuriate most of the resident Fark Mideast Experts (FME)*.  Well done.

*Not intended to suggest actual expertise or familiarity with the history or geography of the region.
2013-06-20 07:31:57 PM
1 votes:
Curse those Israelis for forcing the Palestinians to be corrupt kleptocrats! And look how Israel has maneuvered  Assad into use nerve gas on his own people! Meanwhile the Israeli genocide against the Palestinian people continues as evil Jews lull innocent Arabs into a sense of false security by allowing their numbers to quadruple in the West Bank since 1967. Then, when they least expect it, Wham! Genocide! Booyah! And don't get me started on how the Jews' unwillingness to allow relentlessly hostile people who are not now and have never been citizens of Israel, free access to the entire country is apartheid. It's apartheid, I tell you! They have no homeland, certainly not that country next door where they make up 60% of the population! Or the Israeli land grab which can be measured in acres per year--acres per year!--which will result in the complete occupation of the West Bank some time in the late 2070's. Genocide! Apartheid! Land grab! It's not fair! Why won't the cursed Israelis let their neighbors kills them?
2013-06-20 07:03:40 PM
1 votes:
Yeah the last guy they danced him around like a puppet and he got found out so they had to get rid of him. This new guy ain't playing nice with the puppet masters so they probably gonna have to "Re-educate" him or send him on permanent vacation and get someone more up to the job of being a puppet.
2013-06-20 05:41:03 PM
1 votes:
wait
abbas has been president since 2007 or before
oh wait
there is no parliament or elections

Can we stop calling dictators "president" and call them what they are?
Dictators?

thanks
 
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