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(The New York Times)   So you know that Farm Bill the GOP wanted to pass which cut food stamps and preserved agro-business subsidies? Yeah, it just died in the House. The GOP's lesson? Democrats can't govern   (nytimes.com) divider line 180
    More: Fail, GOP, farm bills, food stamps, Democrats, subsidies, crop insurance, Jim McGovern, direct payments  
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2013-06-20 03:25:53 PM  
Remember that whole thing about how Nancy Pelosi never lost a vote? Remind me again why she was bad at her job?
 
2013-06-20 03:28:00 PM  

DamnYankees: Remember that whole thing about how Nancy Pelosi never lost a vote? Remind me again why she was bad at her job?


She refused to engage Boehner in hand to hand combat on the floor of the House.
 
2013-06-20 03:35:58 PM  
"I'm extremely disappointed that Nancy Pelosi and Democratic leadership...

lol
 
2013-06-20 03:36:43 PM  

Aarontology: DamnYankees: Remember that whole thing about how Nancy Pelosi never lost a vote? Remind me again why she was bad at her job?

She refused to engage Boehner in hand to hand combat on the floor of the House.


Hand to hand combat would improve politics. We might even get some quality politicians.

/sweep the leg!
 
2013-06-20 03:42:39 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Hand to hand combat would improve politics. We might even get some quality politicians.

/sweep the leg!


I think it's how filibusters should get decided. If you can take someone in a fight, they stop speaking..
 
2013-06-20 03:48:30 PM  
62 Republicans voted against it, too, apparently because it didn't cut spending enough.

"This underscores that Boehner cannot pass bills on his own," Congressional scholar Norman Ornstein told me in a quick interview today. "He can't do anything with only Republicans. The real power center in the House is not Boehner. It's not Cantor. It's not Ryan. It's not McCarthy. It's the extreme right. This shows the real dilemma ahead for a Speaker who is very weak and very conscious of his weakness within the party." Link
 
2013-06-20 03:50:08 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: 62 Republicans voted against it, too, apparently because it didn't cut spending enough.

"This underscores that Boehner cannot pass bills on his own," Congressional scholar Norman Ornstein told me in a quick interview today. "He can't do anything with only Republicans. The real power center in the House is not Boehner. It's not Cantor. It's not Ryan. It's not McCarthy. It's the extreme right. This shows the real dilemma ahead for a Speaker who is very weak and very conscious of his weakness within the party." Link


I read this differently, in that I think it clearly shows Boehner IS the power center. He has the power to let bills passed with mostly Dem votes. It's in his power. He just chooses not to exercise it.
 
2013-06-20 03:52:37 PM  

DamnYankees: Dusk-You-n-Me: 62 Republicans voted against it, too, apparently because it didn't cut spending enough.

"This underscores that Boehner cannot pass bills on his own," Congressional scholar Norman Ornstein told me in a quick interview today. "He can't do anything with only Republicans. The real power center in the House is not Boehner. It's not Cantor. It's not Ryan. It's not McCarthy. It's the extreme right. This shows the real dilemma ahead for a Speaker who is very weak and very conscious of his weakness within the party." Link

I read this differently, in that I think it clearly shows Boehner IS the power center. He has the power to let bills passed with mostly Dem votes. It's in his power. He just chooses not to exercise it.


Yeah, but he chooses not to exercise it because of the fear of backlash from the extreme right.
 
2013-06-20 03:53:53 PM  

Aarontology: Yeah, but he chooses not to exercise it because of the fear of backlash from the extreme right.


Ok, but what could they do about it?
 
2013-06-20 03:55:47 PM  

DamnYankees: Ok, but what could they do about it?


In the House itself? Not much, really.

But they could decide to primary the hell out of Boehner and his allies and ultimately lose the GOP seats like they've been doing in the Senate the last couple of elections.
 
2013-06-20 03:56:34 PM  

Aarontology: But they could decide to primary the hell out of Boehner and his allies and ultimately lose the GOP seats like they've been doing in the Senate the last couple of elections.


That's true, but every action has consequences. That doesn't mean the actor lacks power. Boehner has the power to pass stuff if he wants to.
 
2013-06-20 04:04:27 PM  

DamnYankees: He has the power to let bills passed with mostly Dem votes. It's in his power.


This is contradictory. "letting" your opponent do something for you isn't power. He wanted this bill to pass. It didn't because he did not have enough votes from his own party. He is essentially powerless without Democrats, at least when it comes to this particular bill.
 
2013-06-20 04:09:58 PM  

DamnYankees: That's true, but every action has consequences. That doesn't mean the actor lacks power. Boehner has the power to pass stuff if he wants to.


Very true. He could get stuff passed, but that would occasionally mean doing something the Democrats want and we all know he won't do that.
 
2013-06-20 04:29:00 PM  
ok, let me see if i've got this right: the senate is effectively controlled by republicans through the filibuster and the house is actually controlled by republicans thanks to their majority... yet this failure to pass legislation is a problem of democrat(ic) leadership?
 
2013-06-20 04:38:54 PM  

FlashHarry: ok, let me see if i've got this right: the senate is effectively controlled by republicans through the filibuster and the house is actually controlled by republicans thanks to their majority... yet this failure to pass legislation is a problem of democrat(ic) leadership?


Exactly.  The Democrats are supposed to give the GOP 110% of what they want, when they want it.  Anything less is clearly an abandonment of their duties as elected representatives.
 
2013-06-20 04:39:51 PM  
Fun fact: food stamps ARE agro-business subsidies.
 
2013-06-20 04:42:07 PM  

FlashHarry: ok, let me see if i've got this right: the senate is effectively controlled by republicans through the filibuster and the house is actually controlled by republicans thanks to their majority... yet this failure to pass legislation is a problem of democrat(ic) leadership?


Correct.
 
2013-06-20 04:42:26 PM  
"The failure to pass the bill was a stinging defeat for Speaker John A. Boehner and his Republican leadership team" so that's what, a baker's dozen now?

More evidence for Rachel Maddow's theory The John-Boehner-Is-Bad-At-His-Job Hypothesis.
 
2013-06-20 04:42:55 PM  
Go have a good cry Boehner.
 
2013-06-20 04:45:03 PM  

Aarontology: DamnYankees: That's true, but every action has consequences. That doesn't mean the actor lacks power. Boehner has the power to pass stuff if he wants to.

Very true. He could get stuff passed, but that would occasionally mean doing something the Democrats want and we all know he won't do that.


I should add though, that his refusal to use his power cedes much of it to the extremists to his right.
 
2013-06-20 04:45:34 PM  

DamnYankees: I read this differently, in that I think it clearly shows Boehner IS the power center. He has the power to let bills passed with mostly Dem votes. It's in his power. He just chooses not to exercise it.


He chooses not to exercise it because its the only leverage he has to remain SOTH.
 
2013-06-20 04:46:58 PM  

impaler: Fun fact: food stamps ARE agro-business subsidies.


Right.  Like people buy food with food stamps.  We all know they buy lottery tickets and television sets.
 
2013-06-20 04:48:08 PM  

Aarontology: But they could decide to primary the hell out of Boehner and his allies


They wouldn't need to do that. Its well within the power of the House to remove Boehner from the Speaker's role. That alone would be enough of a demotion.
 
2013-06-20 04:49:40 PM  

Somacandra: They wouldn't need to do that. Its well within the power of the House to remove Boehner from the Speaker's role. That alone would be enough of a demotion.


Who would vote to do this though? It sounds now like there are three factions - Dems, Insane Fringe GOP, and the rest of the GOP. None of them has the votes to elect a new leader. So who could get the votes to replace him?
 
2013-06-20 04:52:45 PM  

Walker: Go have a good cry Boehner.


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2013-06-20 04:54:08 PM  

Somacandra: They wouldn't need to do that. Its well within the power of the House to remove Boehner from the Speaker's role. That alone would be enough of a demotion.


Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I'll bet some of them are regretting having him be Speaker after their last vote.
 
2013-06-20 04:55:56 PM  

Aarontology: Somacandra: They wouldn't need to do that. Its well within the power of the House to remove Boehner from the Speaker's role. That alone would be enough of a demotion.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. I'll bet some of them are regretting having him be Speaker after their last vote.


Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) warned Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) would face a conference revolt that could threaten his Speakership if he allows a House vote on the immigration bill presently being debated in the Senate.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/306011-gop-rep-rohrabacher-boehner -s hould-lose-his-speakership-if-he-allows-vote-on-immigration
 
2013-06-20 05:00:12 PM  

Diogenes: impaler: Fun fact: food stamps ARE agro-business subsidies.

Right.  Like people buy food with food stamps.  We all know they buy lottery tickets and television sets.


And Cadillac Escalades
 
2013-06-20 05:00:20 PM  

AmbassadorBooze: Aarontology: DamnYankees: Remember that whole thing about how Nancy Pelosi never lost a vote? Remind me again why she was bad at her job?

She refused to engage Boehner in hand to hand combat on the floor of the House.

Hand to hand combat would improve politics. We might even get some quality politicians.

/sweep the leg!


Hand to hand?  I prefer baseball bat upside the head; when it comes to Congressional Republicans.
 
2013-06-20 05:03:02 PM  
The fact that there is such a thing as a "farm bill" in the first place is ridiculous, as is how gigantic and non-farm-related it has become.

Food stamps are logical, reasonable, and NECESSARY but they don't belong buried in a "farm bill" when they have nothing to do with farms.  It should be in a social support programs package along with other similar programs so it can be discussed on the merits as it deserves to be.
 
2013-06-20 05:03:24 PM  
It would be helpful for the speaker to meet with Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin to have
a discussion on why retiring from a position you have failed at can result in lucrative
second (or third) careers
 
2013-06-20 05:03:27 PM  

Rwa2play: Hand to hand? I prefer baseball bat upside the head; when it comes to Congressional Republicans.


i believe that the prefered system is a weighted cane. there's precedence
 
2013-06-20 05:05:19 PM  

Walker: Go have a good cry Boehner.


Johnny? Is that you?
 
2013-06-20 05:05:56 PM  

RexTalionis: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/306011-gop-rep-rohrabacher-boehner -s hould-lose-his-speakership-if-he-allows-vote-on-immigration


Republican civil war makes me happy.  I love it.
 
2013-06-20 05:06:02 PM  
I'm actually shocked that two reps from Brownbackistan voted for this bill.
 
2013-06-20 05:06:05 PM  
Not to threadjack, but ... while I wanted the bill to fail because I don't think food stamps should be cut, it apparently didn't get all the Republican support it needed because they felt the cuts weren't big enough.
 
2013-06-20 05:06:31 PM  

cefm: Food stamps are logical, reasonable, and NECESSARY but they don't belong buried in a "farm bill" when they have nothing to do with farms.


Food stamps are controlled by the US Department of Agriculture. Link

Like I said, food stamps ARE agro-business subsidies.
 
2013-06-20 05:06:47 PM  

cefm: The fact that there is such a thing as a "farm bill" in the first place is ridiculous, as is how gigantic and non-farm-related it has become.

Food stamps are logical, reasonable, and NECESSARY but they don't belong buried in a "farm bill" when they have nothing to do with farms.  It should be in a social support programs package along with other similar programs so it can be discussed on the merits as it deserves to be.


It was discussed on it's merit at length. Nothing prevented that. The fact is that most Re[publicans see no merit at all in helping feed the poor.
 
2013-06-20 05:06:55 PM  
So you know that Farm Bill the GOP wanted to pass which cut food stamps and preserved agro-business subsidies? Yeah, it just died in the House.

Aw jeez that's just too farking bad.
 
2013-06-20 05:07:56 PM  

tlchwi02: Rwa2play: Hand to hand? I prefer baseball bat upside the head; when it comes to Congressional Republicans.

i believe that the prefered system is a weighted cane. there's precedence


+1
 
2013-06-20 05:08:03 PM  
DamnYankees * * Smartest * Funniest 2013-06-20 03:56:34 PM Aarontology: But they could decide to primary the hell out of Boehner and his allies and ultimately lose the GOP seats like they've been doing in the Senate the last couple of elections. That's true, but every action has consequences. That doesn't mean the actor lacks power. Boehner has the power to pass stuff if he wants to.
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Boehner is a far right republican. But the even nuttier far-righters won't sign on to his legislation because they're not far-righty enough. The democrats won't sign on because it's far-right.

Boehner can either pass stuff that's in the middle and sensible and get a lot of democrat support (which he has before, and I'm glad for that) which will pass OR he can attempt to pass one of his far-right bills that won't get support from the far-far-righters NOR the democrats and it'll bomb.

Either he has to suck up his pride and pass middle-ground sensible legislation that the democrats will gladly pass with some republicans or he can keep trying to pass insaneo legislation that will keep burning into the ground.

/But having democrats pass all your bills makes you look bad within the party... so he doesn't do it
 
2013-06-20 05:08:43 PM  
Wow.  An always pass bill just failed.

Boehner really sucks as speaker
 
2013-06-20 05:09:10 PM  
Uhm, so instead of cheaper food to help the poors, we will get more poor people using food stamps to barter for Brass Monkey.

Brilliant idea...to a democrat.

I would eliminate farm subsidies AND food stamps. If that would cause difficulty for you, then you could try this solution - GET A farkING JOB, you parasite.

/reward the fail, America
 
2013-06-20 05:09:21 PM  
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2013-06-20 05:09:46 PM  

cefm: Food stamps are logical, reasonable, and NECESSARY but they don't belong buried in a "farm bill" when they have nothing to do with farms. It should be in a social support programs package along with other similar programs so it can be discussed on the merits as it deserves to be.


"Farm bill" is misleading, its more like "Agribuisness bill". This isn't "Old MacDonald had a farm EIEIO", its factory farms and the food industry in general.

People on food stamps buy Nabisco products, those products come from wheat farms in Nebraska, and the wheat seeds are supplied by Monsanto.
 
2013-06-20 05:10:35 PM  
Better have a few more abortion and "fark poor people" votes. You know. To create jobs.
 
2013-06-20 05:11:11 PM  

meat0918: Wow.  An always pass bill just failed.


Amazing how the majority party in the House has completely broken the part of the Congress it controls. I mean, I'm annoyed that the Republicans have broken the Senate. I'm amused and shocked they managed to break the House, too.
 
2013-06-20 05:11:40 PM  

SevenizGud: Uhm, so instead of cheaper food to help the poors, we will get more poor people using food stamps to barter for Brass Monkey.

Brilliant idea...to a democrat.

I would eliminate farm subsidies AND food stamps. If that would cause difficulty for you, then you could try this solution - GET A farkING JOB, you parasite.

/reward the fail, America


Food stamps are a farm subsidy
 
2013-06-20 05:11:47 PM  

SevenizGud: I would eliminate farm subsidies AND food stamps. If that would cause difficulty for you, then you could try this solution - GET A farkING JOB, you parasite.


It must be nice to live in a world that simplistic and devoid of reality.
 
2013-06-20 05:14:16 PM  

meat0918: Wow.  An always pass bill just failed.

Boehner really sucks as speaker


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