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(Sun News Network)   The 92-year-old war vet has been evicted from the house he built because his daughter rejected his offer to buy the house above market value   (sunnewsnetwork.ca) divider line 97
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2013-06-20 02:42:17 PM  
7 votes:
She thinks she's "won."

She will wake up tomorrow not only universally loathed as the symbol of greed but worse yet, she will wake up with a house in Ohio.
2013-06-20 12:49:21 PM  
6 votes:
I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.
2013-06-20 02:47:39 PM  
5 votes:
Wow.  Reading more of the story here has me thinking there is a special place reserved in hell for the daughter.  Some things are so simple they are hard to believe.

Parents set up Power of Attorney 'in case' as a responsible move.

Daughter uses this to transfer deed on home to herself, quietly & illegally.

Daughter waits till statute of limitations runs out and moves in for the kill.

Legally, She's in the clear.

Morally, She's a spawn of satan.
2013-06-20 03:10:35 PM  
4 votes:
As the eldest child of a 82 year old mother, let me say that this is one of those stories that probably has a lot more to it than what being written in the press.
2013-06-20 03:03:08 PM  
4 votes:

shArkh: Again.

My grandmother took a particularly nasty turn of senile demnetia (violent) and shortly afterwards  :| Grandpa S died.

His will had signed his half over to his daughter, so she had leverage on the house. BECAUSE if she didn't have it, and Grandma S got declared senile by the government / State, we would lose all of it to them to "pay" for her declining issues and care.

But because granny was in wacko-territory, we were the devils incarnate, and she made sure everyone she opened her bloody mouth to knew, even though she got to keep her care AND her money, until the day she bought it because of what we did.

If the daughter's a biatchy-mcbiatchpants, then fair enough form the lynch mob. But I've been on the wrong end of this myself. I can't be this simple. If it is, well. 'murica I guess.


Having witnessed similar family drama (not in my family, thank God, but in a friend's), THIS. We have no idea what's going on here, especially as there was apparently some attendant drama involving the care of an autistic son. It could be the daughter is evil. It could be that her father is a senile crank who refuses to believe that he can't care for himself. There could be disputes about where the money for the autistic son's care should come from. We're seeing so little of the story that making sweeping judgements is useless.
2013-06-20 03:01:13 PM  
4 votes:

Serious Black: James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything.  This whole thing was dumb from the start.

We're only getting the granddaughter's side since her mother won't talk to the media about it.

So why aren't we getting the daughter's side? There certainly could be some reasons why she would want to dump him on the street. But in the absence of any statement as to why she's doing it, all we can do is speculate, and Occam's razor suggests that she's the queen of the harpies.


Maybe she doesn't want her personal family shiat dragged through the media?  Who knows it's her business.  Assuming guilt just because she won't make a spectacle of herself on youtube is shiatty.
2013-06-20 02:59:43 PM  
4 votes:
The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguist.

But until she speaks up, I am going to just assume she is a miserable heartless soul-sucking coont who makes the world a worse place to live in.
2013-06-20 02:55:11 PM  
4 votes:
If the daughter had a reasonable "side of the story," she would have publicly expressed it by now, given all the publicity.

The fact that she hasn't, suggests to me that she is motivated by something that wouldn't be highly approved of.
2013-06-20 02:47:21 PM  
4 votes:
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't there usually clauses in Powers of Attorney that dictate that transfers and decisions are to be made in the best interest of the Assignee?  The legality of this business seems a little shady.
2013-06-20 02:42:35 PM  
4 votes:
Ok, just to make sure I got it right from the article.  The granddaughter made an offer, and the daughter gave a counter offer of 85,000 plus legal fees?  That seems to move past all the "he's not safe", "he abused her" theories and get back to the daughter just being in it for the money.  She seems happy to sell it back to him, just at nearly double the estimated value (likely because she knows they raised 130k and can afford it).
2013-06-20 01:45:09 PM  
4 votes:
I recall this story hitting Fark a while ago (or perhaps it was somewhere else) and there definitely feels like there's more to it than meets the eye.
2013-06-20 01:10:14 PM  
4 votes:

Arthur Jumbles: Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.

We don't know the whole story, maybe the father was an abuser and a rapist and this is the daughter's chance for revenge.


It would HAVE to be something like that for there to be any non-evil reason for her actions.
2013-06-20 01:03:40 PM  
4 votes:

Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.


We don't know the whole story, maybe the father was an abuser and a rapist and this is the daughter's chance for revenge.
2013-06-20 04:01:54 PM  
3 votes:
It is claimed in another article that the daughter is selling off parcels of hunting property (non-adjacent to that parcel on which the house is located) also deeded to her by her as POA. Further, it is claimed that she would accept $85,000, but not $65,000 to sell it back to her father (with a $45,000 appraisal in hand). If these claims are factual, it should not be difficult (even for the Farkers claiming childhood rape) to infer her true motivation in this scheme.
2013-06-20 03:52:16 PM  
3 votes:

special20: Old dude must have done something very bad to her.


Call me crazy, but based on the fact that he gave her POA, she misused it, the rest of the family tried to turn things back in his favor and the granddaughter (biatch's daughter) is trying to help him in any way she can, I'm going to take his side for now.

I'm also guessing that she's collecting some sort of disability check for her autistic brother whom she assumed custody of and would no longer allow Potter to visit.  Just a guess though.
2013-06-20 03:01:10 PM  
3 votes:
More to the story? - most likely - perhaps he is a danger to himself and/or others and needs to be in a supervised environment.

Dang - and we just got this new shipment of pitchforks and torches - what are we supposed to do with these now?
2013-06-20 02:49:00 PM  
3 votes:
Again.

My grandmother took a particularly nasty turn of senile demnetia (violent) and shortly afterwards  :| Grandpa S died.

His will had signed his half over to his daughter, so she had leverage on the house. BECAUSE if she didn't have it, and Grandma S got declared senile by the government / State, we would lose all of it to them to "pay" for her declining issues and care.

But because granny was in wacko-territory, we were the devils incarnate, and she made sure everyone she opened her bloody mouth to knew, even though she got to keep her care AND her money, until the day she bought it because of what we did.

If the daughter's a biatchy-mcbiatchpants, then fair enough form the lynch mob. But I've been on the wrong end of this myself. I can't be this simple. If it is, well. 'murica I guess.
2013-06-20 02:44:19 PM  
3 votes:
I continue to feel this is an intergenerational scam.

However, if it is not, I would suggest letting the daughter keep the house (worth $50,000) and disinherit her from the newfound $140,000.
2013-06-20 02:43:38 PM  
3 votes:

James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything.  This whole thing was dumb from the start.

We're only getting the granddaughter's side since her mother won't talk to the media about it.


So why aren't we getting the daughter's side? There certainly could be some reasons why she would want to dump him on the street. But in the absence of any statement as to why she's doing it, all we can do is speculate, and Occam's razor suggests that she's the queen of the harpies.
2013-06-20 02:34:51 PM  
3 votes:
I would be interested in hearing the daughter's side of the story.  Only possible reason I could think of to do something like that is to pressure the old guy to move into the old folks home you think he needs to be in, but the fact that she initially gave him a counter-offer makes me doubt it's anything like that.

She's probably got a deal with some crooked land developer who's trying to turn the whole block into upscale condos and this guy is the last hold out.  Might have to call the A-Team on this one.

James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything. This whole thing was dumb from the start


It's not so much that she refused to sell it as it is that she apparently obtained the property as a result of him giving her power of attorney for whatever reason.
2013-06-20 02:06:57 PM  
3 votes:
The last time this came up I seem to remember it involving the custody of the disabled son. I don't know what's going on here but we have to just be getting a glimpse at the entire story.
2013-06-20 12:35:50 PM  
3 votes:
King Lear, 2013 style
2013-06-20 04:14:04 PM  
2 votes:
TheBigJerk:
{Arthur Jumbles: Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.}

We don't know the whole story, maybe the father was an abuser and a rapist and this is the daughter's chance for revenge.

It would HAVE to be something like that for there to be any non-evil reason for her actions.

Or he's nearly non-functional helpless, gets all his food delivered, is constantly demanding help from the family that doesn't live there but refuses to move in with them or move to an assisted-living center, and this is the only way for her to force him to do so.


I'm in my 60's. I live with and am the primary care tender for my 85 year old, disabled mother. I have three siblings who are quite happy to dump the load on me. After my father died decades ago, my Mom cracked up and the family had problems understanding this. I later worked in psychiatry, understood what had happened and attempted to explain it to the family time and time again.

Basically they understood but chose not to accept what had happened. The simple term for this is blocking.

It's hard on a child when a parent falls from grace and turns out to be human after all.

The solution, for them, concerning my mom, is to dump her in a nursing home. She used to work in one as a nursing assistant and the idea of being confined to such a place terrifies her. She built her home with my dad, raised her kids there, is familiar with every nail and crack, knows where she planted long gone flowers years ago and recalls when around her was nothing but wild woods.

She has slept in her and my father's bedroom for decades. She can recount the many parties and holidays that the house hosted over the years and the good and bad times us kids had growing up. Weddings were planned there. Grandchildren played there. Less than expert repairs still hold, done by us boys after Dad died.

The house fits her like an old, comfortable shoe. Decades of beloved pets are buried in the back yard.

When I had to start taking care of her, I decided that she would never go into a nursing home. Later observations and discussions with my siblings made me get a durable power of attorney and I was added to the deed of the house.

As she has grown older, she has gotten sicker. I'm on duty 24/7. We have a medical aid come in 3 times a week. She has been on a food service -- but gave it up because the stuff tasted like crap. I do the cooking -- and she taught me how to cook when I was a kid. She uses a scooter to get around, but needs help getting in and out of it. Her mind is going and she knows it. Most of her friends have died. She went from seeing a physician once a year to seeing a couple monthly.

My control of her resources was implemented to make sure she can not be forced into a nursing home. So, I can understand if the old guy doesn't want to leave his home.

Before most of your times, kids used to take care of their elderly folks. Often, they would rotate through, giving each other a break. They didn't jam maw and paw into a nursing home to slowly rot away. Sometimes the parent would move in with a sibling for a year, then another sibling would take them. Sometimes siblings would move into the parents home for several weeks to care for them, to be replaced by another sibling later. If finances were tight, all of the siblings chipped in and provided assistance.

The dispute between the old guy and his daughter started over care and visitation of his special needs son, whom the daughter has guardianship of. He gave it to her when he felt he was getting too old. From what I understand, she promptly moved the boy out of the house and started restricting the old man's visitation.

She gets any federal or state funds provided for his care.

When the old guy started arguing with her over visitation, she used her previously granted POA to punish him by taking his house away. His other daughter stood up to protect him. The old man has the right to die in his own home that he built with his own hands. He has earned the right to not be warehoused. He survived WW2. He raised his children to adulthood. (The one daughter doesn't look like she's missed many meals in her time.) The love of his life, his wife, died. He took care of his special needs child. In his 90's, he hasn't got that long left. Stressing him out by threatening to take everything he built away is shortening his life even more. His chance of a stroke, IMO, has risen dramatically since the pressure of the fight will raise his blood pressure and his arteries are old.

The fight could wind up reducing him to a paralyzed, drooling old man, whose face droops along one side and he can't talk. If he's lucky, if that happens, his mind will go. If not, then he'll be alert and quite aware that he is a prisoner in a body that no longer functions.

Chances are high that his stubborn daughter could actually be the cause of his death.

The doubling of the price of the house is simple greed. However, this squabble is affecting his health. The 'good' daughter might want to pay the money and stop the fight.

Later, out of view of the old man, she can hire a lawyer and start filing nuisance lawsuits against the other daughter designed to mainly drain her resources.

That happens all the time. She'll have money left over from the donations to do it with.
2013-06-20 04:13:18 PM  
2 votes:

TV's Vinnie: There's got to be more to this story than what's been reported. Just what happened to this daughter to make her so filled with hate to evict her elderly father?


The elderly father has been keeping up a barrage of lawsuits to attempt to regain custody of his 63-year old autistic son, Joe, from the daughter & her husband. The daughter is using the house & eviction as leverage to try to make him stop.

Whether or not this is justifiable depends on the nature of the interaction between the grandfather and son. If the daughter feels that this relationship is inappropriate (i.e. the grandfather is incapable of taking care of the autistic son or something even worse may be taking place), then her actions might be justifiable. If it's just to maintain her meal ticket (she's paid by the state as his caretaker), then her actions might be considered unreasonable and "evil".

Unfortunately, there's not mush more information available than this so far.
2013-06-20 03:26:49 PM  
2 votes:
Daughter reminds me of this woman (they're both a complete waste of oxygen):
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2013-06-20 03:21:38 PM  
2 votes:

RenownedCurator: We have no idea what's going on here, especially as there was apparently some attendant drama involving the care of an autistic son.


Yeah. I was all ready to be outraged until I saw that bit. Frankly even what very little I know about special care, it's a farking nightmare for everyone and you can't tell who's trying to do the right thing because it can look the opposite on paper.
2013-06-20 03:14:21 PM  
2 votes:

RenownedCurator: shArkh: Again.

My grandmother took a particularly nasty turn of senile demnetia (violent) and shortly afterwards  :| Grandpa S died.

His will had signed his half over to his daughter, so she had leverage on the house. BECAUSE if she didn't have it, and Grandma S got declared senile by the government / State, we would lose all of it to them to "pay" for her declining issues and care.

But because granny was in wacko-territory, we were the devils incarnate, and she made sure everyone she opened her bloody mouth to knew, even though she got to keep her care AND her money, until the day she bought it because of what we did.

If the daughter's a biatchy-mcbiatchpants, then fair enough form the lynch mob. But I've been on the wrong end of this myself. I can't be this simple. If it is, well. 'murica I guess.

Having witnessed similar family drama (not in my family, thank God, but in a friend's), THIS. We have no idea what's going on here, especially as there was apparently some attendant drama involving the care of an autistic son. It could be the daughter is evil. It could be that her father is a senile crank who refuses to believe that he can't care for himself. There could be disputes about where the money for the autistic son's care should come from. We're seeing so little of the story that making sweeping judgements is useless.


YOU!  Take your reasonableness and get the FARK OUT OF HERE!  NOW!  We have outrage to enjoy and you're killing out party, you ungrateful schmuck.
2013-06-20 03:08:02 PM  
2 votes:
Honestly, I respect the daughter more for not being an attention whore about it.
2013-06-20 03:01:22 PM  
2 votes:

randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguish.

But until she speaks up, I am going to just assume she is a miserable heartless soul-sucking coont who makes the world a worse place to live in.


Pretty much this.
2013-06-20 03:00:27 PM  
2 votes:

FARK rebel soldier: So uh. In theory, if I was having a problem just like this (but without as much time passing, so SoL is  less of a problem) where should I start?


Consult with an attorney.  Immediately.
2013-06-20 02:54:17 PM  
2 votes:
I don't know anything about this but I'm outraged.
2013-06-20 02:52:30 PM  
2 votes:

James!: serial_crusher: I would be interested in hearing the daughter's side of the story.  Only possible reason I could think of to do something like that is to pressure the old guy to move into the old folks home you think he needs to be in, but the fact that she initially gave him a counter-offer makes me doubt it's anything like that.

She's probably got a deal with some crooked land developer who's trying to turn the whole block into upscale condos and this guy is the last hold out.  Might have to call the A-Team on this one.

James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything. This whole thing was dumb from the start

It's not so much that she refused to sell it as it is that she apparently obtained the property as a result of him giving her power of attorney for whatever reason.

That's pretty common though.


It's not "pretty common" for the person with power of attorney to transfer property to herself.  That's self-dealing, and it's generally illegal.  In this case, I understand that the lower court voided the transfer, but was overruled on statute of limitations grounds.  Doesn't make the initial transfer legal, just means that the father can't do a thing about it.
2013-06-20 02:51:33 PM  
2 votes:
I suspect the whole family is in on it. The family still has the house, and they now have milked 150k from the rubes.
2013-06-20 02:50:44 PM  
2 votes:
 I still think this whole thing is a giant scam. If the daughter sells the house back to her father, she'll have 60K in income that they didn't have prior to this. All of that income came from donations to a 92 year old vet to do what exactly?

It all just seems weird.
2013-06-20 02:26:33 PM  
2 votes:
Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything.  This whole thing was dumb from the start.

We're only getting the granddaughter's side since her mother won't talk to the media about it.
2013-06-20 02:02:26 PM  
2 votes:
maybe he's not living safely and she wants him in care. Maybe he was able to convince a naive granddaughter that they were stealing his home when all they really want to do is get him the care he needs.Otherwise why not take the offer of more money than the thing is worth.
2013-06-21 05:37:33 AM  
1 votes:

The Flexecutioner: geek_mars: Regardless of whose side of the story is what, and who is right or wrong in this situation, I'll be surprised if someone doesn't burn that house to the ground once the old man is forced out of it.

Also, for those who've suggested the daughter wants her father in an assisted living facility, has anyone read anything to that effect? Has there been anything reported about arrangements being made or facilities being contacted? (genuinely curious)

nothing has been said about putting him in a home being the reason to get him out of the house.  the previous article (hence this followup) said the daughter is just petty about the autistic son in the family.  since he isn't getting what she wants for him she's going to kick him out if they dont pay $85k for a $47k house.

until damning evidence comes out saying this guy was abusive or terrible to them i'm siding with him.  if it does come out i'll about-face on this topic.


Even then I'm not siding with the daughter because she broke the law on all this. This was a rather sneaky, underhanded, thing. Doesn't matter if someone was a jerk to you in the past, it doesn't make it right to pull something like that. Had he been bad to her I could totally see her refusing to take power of attorney, not talking to him and saying "fark you, have fun dying alone." However this was as underhanded as it gets. She should go to jail for it, but sadly the whole statute of limitations shiat.

That also is a real good sign that this was not done out of some kind of anger or need for revenge, as those acts tend to be overt and off the cuff, but rather just greed and spite.
2013-06-21 03:38:44 AM  
1 votes:

geek_mars: Regardless of whose side of the story is what, and who is right or wrong in this situation, I'll be surprised if someone doesn't burn that house to the ground once the old man is forced out of it.

Also, for those who've suggested the daughter wants her father in an assisted living facility, has anyone read anything to that effect? Has there been anything reported about arrangements being made or facilities being contacted? (genuinely curious)


nothing has been said about putting him in a home being the reason to get him out of the house.  the previous article (hence this followup) said the daughter is just petty about the autistic son in the family.  since he isn't getting what she wants for him she's going to kick him out if they dont pay $85k for a $47k house.

until damning evidence comes out saying this guy was abusive or terrible to them i'm siding with him.  if it does come out i'll about-face on this topic.
2013-06-21 12:06:57 AM  
1 votes:

shArkh: Again.

My grandmother took a particularly nasty turn of senile demnetia (violent) and shortly afterwards  :| Grandpa S died.

His will had signed his half over to his daughter, so she had leverage on the house. BECAUSE if she didn't have it, and Grandma S got declared senile by the government / State, we would lose all of it to them to "pay" for her declining issues and care.

But because granny was in wacko-territory, we were the devils incarnate, and she made sure everyone she opened her bloody mouth to knew, even though she got to keep her care AND her money, until the day she bought it because of what we did.

If the daughter's a biatchy-mcbiatchpants, then fair enough form the lynch mob. But I've been on the wrong end of this myself. I can't be this simple. If it is, well. 'murica I guess.


That's quite a bit different from what the daughter did in this case.  He gave her power of attorney for some reason (most likely due to declining health).  She transferred the deed to the house into her name secretly then waited for the statute of limitations to run out and then proceeded to evict him from his home. Now from the current article we see that the grand-daughter raised the funds to buy the house back and offered more than the appraised value of the home but the daughter rejected it and counter offered for even more money.  So she's in it for the money and is the devil incarnate.
2013-06-20 10:48:10 PM  
1 votes:

Silverstaff: Is living in a gigantic major metropolitan area really, REALLY worth that much more compared to a mid-size city or a small town?


For a lot of people, yes.  You go where the jobs are.

That number ("a lot - whatever that is") is decreasing, as telecommunications technologies improve.    But still, even when you are primarily telecommuting, location does matter.  Six years ago I moved to the Hartford area because I can get to two major markets (NYC or Boston) for a meeting with under $200 in expensesand still sleep in my bed the same night. If I can pay $500k for a sweet-ass house with a yard for the kids, and another $30k setting it up for "really there" type of telecom like telepresence, that beats the dog-piss out of raising a family in a $750k Brooklyn walkup.

In the short term, that doesn't mean that Kansas is the place to be, though.  No matter the amount of remote shiat you do, there's still the need to go face to face on a regular basis.  If there wasn't, I'd assure you I wouldn't rack up the airline miles that I do, I wouldn't live in an less-expensive-than-DC/NYC/SF-but-still-crazy-expensive-place-by-compa rison-to-most-of-the-country type of place.

Millenials reaching management will absolutely crush the need for any substantial face to face time.  That's another decade or more, though.
2013-06-20 10:19:04 PM  
1 votes:

Shazam999: pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

There's lots of places in the USA that still have relatively cheap housing.  Nashville seems to have a lot of cheap homes too.


Yeah, housing costs vary WILDLY in the US between rural and urban areas.  I know that in Kentucky, once you get away from the major metropolitan areas (Louisville, Lexington, Northern KY outskirts of Cincinnati) then it's quite easy to get a 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom house with a decent yard for $50k or less, as long as you're willing to live in small town America.

My wife likes to watch those home-shopping shows on HGTV, and for what they spend on a modest place in some big metropolitan area you could buy (or build) a bona-fide mansion in other parts of the country.  I still boggle to see families on these shows throw around $250k to $300k asking prices for decent homes, when you could get the same house for half that in a city around here, and a third of that in a small town or in the countryside.

Is living in a gigantic major metropolitan area really, REALLY worth that much more compared to a mid-size city or a small town?
2013-06-20 09:07:31 PM  
1 votes:

vrax: JWideman: Sometimes what is right isn't what is legal, and vise versa.

I think we've pretty well determined that theft of property is neither right nor legal.


If you had a friend who was suicidal and the only way you could stop him from going through with it was to steal his guns, wouldn't you? But we're getting off track here: which was that half of fark was calling her an evil biatch while the other half was saying he deserved it, and some are saying the whole thing is an elaborate scam. It's all jumping to wild conclusions based on ignorance of all the facts.
2013-06-20 07:17:09 PM  
1 votes:

domine: She transferred the assets to her name, 9 years ago


So? If it's all about money why didn't she sell it then?

JWideman: "For him to stay in that home it is real simple leave Joe alone and stop the lawsuits," said the son-in-law, Dean Cottrill. - http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/297517/45/Elderly-WW-II-veteran-face s -eviction-due-to-family-feud


That article is atrocious. Where does any of that info come from? The only thing they cite is the random one-liner from the son in law and the link to the granddaughter's side of the story that's already been covered.

Crappin' local news sites o_0
2013-06-20 07:01:57 PM  
1 votes:

exick: I recall this story hitting Fark a while ago (or perhaps it was somewhere else) and there definitely feels like there's more to it than meets the eye.


dementia and all the goodies that go with it.Nothing lijke putting some water on for tea then taking a nice long nap.A daughter not able to live with dad and not being able to afford a sit-in for him (or finding on who is trustworthy) and a grand daughter who just doesnt understand the reality of the situation are possible reasons.Still,its just easier to call the daughter a biatch and be done with it.
 Theres no getting around the fact that she could have walked away with 80k plus on a house worth less than half that and she didnt , that fact alone suggests she may be no biatch at all
2013-06-20 06:50:24 PM  
1 votes:
My babysitter: her husband died and his will locked the farm in trust. She could rent out the fields for crops, but she had no ability to sell - iirc she got a small fixed income from trust investments but had to file paperwork to ask for money to fix up the barn and other external buildings. In many respects she was trapped on the farm but she made it work. She lived alone for decades. Some of my earliest memories are priming the pump in the front yard to bring in water - her wood burning stove had a tank to keep water hot. (This was the 60's and 70's btw).

Near the end of my high school, her son came over one night and told her he wasn't comfortable with her living alone anymore. She hadn't fallen, her health hadn't changed, but he'd 'decided'; he was taking her to the assisted living facility (old folk's home back then). She asked to spend one last night at home so she could 'pack a bag' and sort through her things, so he left.

Apparently she immediately walked into the bathroom and hung herself - he found her the next morning.

He moved his wife and kids into the house a few weeks later.

/Never underestimate the utter lack of shame of some people...
2013-06-20 06:32:03 PM  
1 votes:

Lady Indica: However when my grandfather had dementia and we had to go through all the stuff that people do, had something like THIS happened, my insanely private family would've at least made one simple statement. Probably no more than that. They might've even had a priest make it. But...even they wouldn't remain silent.


Imagine that you have a relative that needs assisted living.  You consult a lawyer, and he says that "well, since you own the house, you could just evict him.  But you can't expose any ulterior motive in doing so, because you will be in violation of housing laws."

That is entirely plausible.
2013-06-20 06:23:25 PM  
1 votes:

Magnus: Having witnessed similar family drama (not in my family, thank God, but in a friend's), THIS. We have no idea what's going on here, especially as there was apparently some attendant drama involving the care of an autistic son.


My family is insanely private, to the point of it almost being a mental illness. My great aunt when she went into a senior living apartments used to quiz us for five minutes when we'd visit. You didn't talk to anyone, you didn't tell them ANYTHING right? My mom is this way too. We have relatives who've hit over 100, but the family won't ever let any announcement be made. You'd think they were in witness protection. They're not, it's just a weird quirk.

However when my grandfather had dementia and we had to go through all the stuff that people do, had something like THIS happened, my insanely private family would've at least made one simple statement. Probably no more than that. They might've even had a priest make it. But...even they wouldn't remain silent.

Doesn't equal guilt, but in this instance with all the facts we do know, it seems quite damning. Especially a willingness to resell his property for 2x the value plus fees.

Sometimes there's just a rotten egg in the family.
2013-06-20 06:20:39 PM  
1 votes:
Torch the place old man, the worse that will happen is you have a sure bet of a place to stay and food for the rest of your life.
2013-06-20 06:15:58 PM  
1 votes:

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Skirl Hutsenreiter: the statute of limitations

FTFM

And I hate when people do that.


Lol...

Several years ago, I was doing web development work for this guy who seriously cheated me on payment. When
he found out I was going online and griping about it w/ another designer who had also been cheated (not to
mention sexually propositioned by the guy), he had his 'lawyer' e-mail me a Cease to Exist notice.

Yes, you read that right. Cease to Exist. Via e-mail. And I was supposed to believe it was legit and  get scared off.
So when I emailed him back and told him (between fits of laughter) that I was not just going to up anddie and then
asked for thebar number of his genius of a 'lawyer', he got all pissy. It's the first time I've ever seensomeone
have an apoplecticfit over email, but he did.
2013-06-20 06:08:35 PM  
1 votes:

Frankentots: Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't there usually clauses in Powers of Attorney that dictate that transfers and decisions are to be made in the best interest of the Assignee?  The legality of this business seems a little shady.


A previous article said that he could have gotten the house back with this argument, except that by the time he realized what had happened, the statue of limitations had expired on the transaction.

It's all apparently strong-arming over the custody of a mentally retarded brother.
2013-06-20 06:02:11 PM  
1 votes:

Highroller48: Only $47,000? Holy crap. That's amazing. I don't exactly live in a mansion, but I could still sell my house and buy TEN of his!
Something tells me I bought in the WRONG market. Even the average price here for a single-family home is over $440,000.00. I feel very hosed, right now.


My fiance's sister bought a house for $75,000. Upstairs is has 2 bathrooms,2 bedrooms,huge kitchen and living room. Downstairs may as well be another house considering there's another bathroom,2 more bedrooms,a full farking kitchen,a room for the pool table and 2 car garage.
2013-06-20 05:49:43 PM  
1 votes:
Actually, this sort of thing happens a lot. The person that ends up getting power of attorney is usually money hungry. Most of the time they toss the person in a nursing home or move them into their own home before they pull this shiat.
2013-06-20 05:15:51 PM  
1 votes:

domine: dahuka: In case anyone was wondering:

https://www.facebook.com/janice.cottrill.7/about

out of use for some time, apparently

Out of use but it does say that she got married on 8/1/2010 ... coincidentally, past articles about this story have noted that it was late 2010 when the daughter began trying to get her father moved into a nursing home.


Hmmm.
Maybe a clash between new husband/autistic brother and the father wanted them to drive the brother to see him constantly but the daughter didn't want too because the brother was very hostile and the father said bring him anyways and that's when the fight started?
2013-06-20 05:14:25 PM  
1 votes:

Mimic_Octopus: nobiology2424: Ok, just to make sure I got it right from the article.  The granddaughter made an offer, and the daughter gave a counter offer of 85,000 plus legal fees?  That seems to move past all the "he's not safe", "he abused her" theories and get back to the daughter just being in it for the money.  She seems happy to sell it back to him, just at nearly double the estimated value (likely because she knows they raised 130k and can afford it).

the main point is, he already owned the farking house !! why is he trying to buy it ?  Just have  the POA and the deed transfer invalidated as fraudulent.  Or use part of the 130+ thousand bucks to disappear this biatch in cement shoes in the mississippi.


They tried to have it invalidated, but it's past the statute of limitations.  She transferred the deed back in like 2004 and hid the transfer until the statute of limitations past and then filed for eviction.

   / Which makes me think there should be laws surrounding power of attorney that say the person with PoA can't transfer any property if the person they have PoA for is still able to make decisions of this nature.
2013-06-20 05:12:54 PM  
1 votes:

dahuka: In case anyone was wondering:

https://www.facebook.com/janice.cottrill.7/about

out of use for some time, apparently


Out of use but it does say that she got married on 8/1/2010 ... coincidentally, past articles about this story have noted that it was late 2010 when the daughter began trying to get her father moved into a nursing home.
2013-06-20 05:11:22 PM  
1 votes:

wildcardjack: How in the hell did the "house he built with his own hands" wind up in someone else's name?

She raised $130k for this and didn't just over pay?

He's 92, send him to someplace in Costa Rica with that $130k.


The daughter illegally used her POA to transfer the title.  Court ruled against her.  Appeals court ruled in her favor based on statute of limitations.

Someone quite literally steals your home right out from under you and you want to pay them up to 400% of its actual value to get it back?  Well, you go right ahead, pal!
2013-06-20 05:09:03 PM  
1 votes:

RINO: I understand that the statute of limitations is out on the transfer, but can the daughter be charged with simple fraud?


I don't think there is anything stopping him from filing a civil suit against her. Well, other than having to pay an attorney.
2013-06-20 04:55:35 PM  
1 votes:
In case anyone was wondering:

https://www.facebook.com/janice.cottrill.7/about

out of use for some time, apparently
2013-06-20 04:54:27 PM  
1 votes:

randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguist.

But until she speaks up, I am going to just assume she is a miserable heartless soul-sucking coont who makes the world a worse place to live in.


I think you have that mixed up.  Because...for all we know, she's a miserable little coont that scammed her father out of his house that he built with his own hands.  Until proven otherwise, that's the facts we're dealing with her.  Folks need to stop speculating on why HE MAY HAVE DESERVED THIS.  Otherwise known as "victim blaming."
2013-06-20 04:48:23 PM  
1 votes:

leonel: My folks had a neighbor they were kind and nice too but her children were vultures circling her house. She wanted to write my folks into her will and give them everything but these kids probably would have launched a massive lawsuit.


when not inside of a family, your only geting a fraction of the whole story
2013-06-20 04:47:26 PM  
1 votes:
I'm not a math wizard or anything, but I think 85k is less than 139k.
Why was the counter-offer rejected? You received donations from strangers specifically to buy that house and you turned down the chance to buy it.
It's a terrible story, but that part of it is sticking out to me. If I had donated towards that goal, I'd be a little annoyed.
2013-06-20 04:35:55 PM  
1 votes:

redTiburon: pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

Everyone wants to live in the Paradise That Is Baltimore. No one lives here in Ohio by choice. Supply and demand.
http://crimebaltimore.com/


its all about the COL in different areas. Here on the Mississippi coast, i could take 30k today and buy a ~nice 2 bedroom house or have most of a Condo paid off if i want
2013-06-20 04:32:04 PM  
1 votes:
to add another half remember fact check to the list...

wasnt the big crux of all this that Daughter in question became the primary caregiver to her disabled brother after the Father was no longer able, and when she went to the family for help they basically said "He is your problem now" and tried to shut the both of them out..

but anyways, having seen simular family feuds in the past i am believing the "True" story is both partys are stubborn as fark and where unwilling to back down once the ball is rolling. But i will say no 92 year old man should be living alone in a house no matter who built it
2013-06-20 04:29:23 PM  
1 votes:

skozlaw: randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know...

No she doesn't. Why is it any of your farking business and why do you just assume that a 92 year old man you don't know is giving you an accurate accounting of the situation via third parties?

I swear to god sometimes I think Farkers are actually dumber than Youtubers....


This! The only reason the story became public in the first place was to raise money. She doesn't have to say anything. However, she (well, her husband) actually did:

"His daughter and son-in-law say the dispute is over visitation rights for Potter's other child who as Autism.
"For him to stay in that home it is real simple leave Joe alone and stop the lawsuits," said the son-in-law, Dean Cottrill.  - http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/297517/45/Elderly-WW-II-veteran-face s -eviction-due-to-family-feud

Joe is the autistic son.
2013-06-20 04:27:46 PM  
1 votes:
Dudes 92, I bet shes kicking him out and right into a nursing home. And the only way she can do that is force him out. Its the only thing that makes sense other than the "he abused her, she hates him" theory.
2013-06-20 04:22:01 PM  
1 votes:
I can see this as an ultimate "FARK YOU!" for years of abuse ot possibly an attempt to force him into a place to get care.

But damn, if this just doesn't feel like she's being an evil coont.
2013-06-20 04:21:19 PM  
1 votes:

Oldiron_79: If hes unable to care for self or some such You'd think shed goto media to tell her side and not look like the most evil woman since Eva Braun.


Which brings me back to:

Why is it any of your damn business? I wouldn't go to the media to placate you if I were in that situation. If I were in that situation you could go fark yourself for all I care, I'm not going to waste my precious time "telling my side" just because you're impressionable enough that you'll leap across the entire conclusions mat as long as somebody throws the word "veteran" in there somewhere.

When you want to put somebody in assisted living, you have to pay for that. If the person has no liquid assets, you have to liquidate their property. You have to burn through all their assets before Medicare will help.

It is entirely plausible that she is liquidating the property to pay for care.

But, no, let's just assume she's a raging biatch because why the fark not, right?
2013-06-20 04:11:42 PM  
1 votes:

nobiology2424: Ok, just to make sure I got it right from the article.  The granddaughter made an offer, and the daughter gave a counter offer of 85,000 plus legal fees?  That seems to move past all the "he's not safe", "he abused her" theories and get back to the daughter just being in it for the money.  She seems happy to sell it back to him, just at nearly double the estimated value (likely because she knows they raised 130k and can afford it).


the main point is, he already owned the farking house !! why is he trying to buy it ?  Just have  the POA and the deed transfer invalidated as fraudulent.  Or use part of the 130+ thousand bucks to disappear this biatch in cement shoes in the mississippi.
2013-06-20 04:01:17 PM  
1 votes:

Wodan11: Wouldn't surprise me if it's as simple as he can't take care of himself, none of the family is willing to move in with him, they want him to move in with them or into an assisted care facility, and he's being a typical senior who simply wants to stay in their home but is ignoring the realities of the situation.


Which is exactly what happened with my 89 year old grandmother. You'd think the entire family that had cared for her the prior 19 years had suddenly turned into SUPERROBOHITLER the way she acted but there was no other choice. We couldn't supply 24/7 care for her and she had several cardiac episodes in the prior months, had stopped paying her bills, wasn't taking care of herself or the house and was stashing half-eaten cans of goddamn tuna all over the place. It was either force her into assisted care or let her virtually rot to death in her own filth.

I'm sure if that's what's happening - and with his age odds are pretty good that's it - the daughter probably feels really great about all the idiots on the internet being shaitheels about it to boot. Because it's not hard enough knowing you're doing what's necessary and taking the abuse for it from family members as it is.
2013-06-20 03:58:23 PM  
1 votes:
There's got to be more to this story than what's been reported. Just what happened to this daughter to make her so filled with hate to evict her elderly father?
2013-06-20 03:56:47 PM  
1 votes:

randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know...


No she doesn't. Why is it any of your farking business and why do you just assume that a 92 year old man you don't know is giving you an accurate accounting of the situation via third parties?

I swear to god sometimes I think Farkers are actually dumber than Youtubers....
2013-06-20 03:51:19 PM  
1 votes:
He should offer to buy the houses on either side of his with the money he raised and never cut the grass, park broken down cars in the grass, buy roosters, and poop in the yards. I suppose if he was really an evil rapist a-hole he's thought of this already.
2013-06-20 03:38:58 PM  
1 votes:
Wouldn't surprise me if it's as simple as he can't take care of himself, none of the family is willing to move in with him, they want him to move in with them or into an assisted care facility, and he's being a typical senior who simply wants to stay in their home but is ignoring the realities of the situation.
2013-06-20 03:36:30 PM  
1 votes:
 Zaleski, Ohio, is just south of Lancaster, so house is probably only worth $35K. South of Hooterville and east of Mayberry.
2013-06-20 03:34:55 PM  
1 votes:

Narnboy: pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

And (just playing devil's advocate here) what is the appraised value of the condo versus the cost of the condo?

/Not up on ANY real estate policies and procedures, let alone how they set the cost for specific property types.
//Going with the 'not enough data' excuse


Zaleski is just about the most backwater hell in Appalachian Ohio ... it's outside of Athens, in the middle of gawdforsakennowheresville ... it's also in Vinton County, like the 2nd poorest of the 88 in Ohio. 

However, that being said, under $50k is pretty normal for much of non-urban Ohio ... hell, even in urban Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Columbus, $50k will buy you a pre-WW2 home in the city proper.

Some of you people need to get the fark out of whatever high-priced hell hole you're living in and get out and see the rest of the country.  Hell, for $50k, I could buy a 20 acre parcel here in Geauga County.
2013-06-20 03:29:24 PM  
1 votes:
Shazam999:  pho75   I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

There's lots of places in the USA that still have relatively cheap housing.  Nashville seems to have a lot of cheap homes too.


Location.  Location.  Location.  Plenty of stuff in that price range in "fly over" country.

Parents own an okay 3 bedroom house with garage and (small) yard, they can only sell for 80.  Okay decent clean working class area.

Just have to like living in a 10 - 20k pop community in the middle of bumblefark, Wisconsin.
2013-06-20 03:26:06 PM  
1 votes:
While there are exceptions, it's the law, there are always exceptions, as a general rule if you give someone a POA they have the right to make your decision for you in the areas described in the POA until you revoke the power. It is a very powerful tool. If someone misuses one; well lets just say its not always easy or possible to put the horse back in the barn, espically after the POA sold it.
2013-06-20 03:24:31 PM  
1 votes:

Magnus: RenownedCurator: shArkh: Again.

My grandmother took a particularly nasty turn of senile demnetia (violent) and shortly afterwards  :| Grandpa S died.

His will had signed his half over to his daughter, so she had leverage on the house. BECAUSE if she didn't have it, and Grandma S got declared senile by the government / State, we would lose all of it to them to "pay" for her declining issues and care.

But because granny was in wacko-territory, we were the devils incarnate, and she made sure everyone she opened her bloody mouth to knew, even though she got to keep her care AND her money, until the day she bought it because of what we did.

If the daughter's a biatchy-mcbiatchpants, then fair enough form the lynch mob. But I've been on the wrong end of this myself. I can't be this simple. If it is, well. 'murica I guess.

Having witnessed similar family drama (not in my family, thank God, but in a friend's), THIS. We have no idea what's going on here, especially as there was apparently some attendant drama involving the care of an autistic son. It could be the daughter is evil. It could be that her father is a senile crank who refuses to believe that he can't care for himself. There could be disputes about where the money for the autistic son's care should come from. We're seeing so little of the story that making sweeping judgements is useless.

YOU!  Take your reasonableness and get the FARK OUT OF HERE!  NOW!  We have outrage to enjoy and you're killing out party, you ungrateful schmuck.


The worst farking thing you can ever experience is having family spin this crap out on you. Poor little old lady/man, boohoo. Being old doesn't make them derp. It gives them an extra 30+ years on pulling the wool over your eyes.

Not saying grandpa here might not have a case! Not at all. /reason. But he might be smiling stupidly for the camera and lending 90 years of brain to getting what he thinks he wants. I've lived it, it sucks balls for everyone involved. It shouldn't make it to the news. I mean come on.
2013-06-20 03:23:06 PM  
1 votes:
Maybe the guy needs help, and the daughter wants him in a home. He won't go, so her maybe her counter-offer is high enough to cover the house and the few years' worth of in-home care he might need. Maybe she's quiet about all this because she'd rather be seen as the bad guy by a bunch of strangers than have her father lose his dignity if she's forced to tell the media how he forgets to eat, shiats his pants, lives in filth, etc. Like the 2nd Batman movie -- be the bad guy if it means good stuff gets done.

I'm not saying I know that any of that is true. But having seen what my grandfather went through before we were finally able to get him into full-time care, I'm not ready to write it off. I'm sure my grandfather had some pretty evil things to say about my father when were trying to save his home from foreclosure, trying to get him in to see doctors, etc.

Of course, if she's just greedy, fark her.
2013-06-20 03:21:32 PM  
1 votes:
octopied:
there is a part of this story we do not know, and frankly I think more than enough money h ...

No, there isn't.
She always has the option of just taking the money for the house...(or being a moral person and give it back to him)...  and just forget about him and move on with her life.
She isn't trying to put him in a home, or care for him... she and her husband are just petty, horrible people.

Again, she could just stay out of his life completely.
2013-06-20 03:17:33 PM  
1 votes:

randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguist.


So she made sure to maintain a relationship with him, enough to get power of attorney, and then had the amazing patience to wait until he was 92... then BAM!  Her revenge!
???
I guess she couldn't wait until he was 102.
2013-06-20 03:09:19 PM  
1 votes:

randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguist.

But until she speaks up, I am going to just assume she is a miserable heartless soul-sucking coont who makes the world a worse place to live in.


Like she gives two shiats what you think of her.
2013-06-20 03:06:48 PM  
1 votes:

chaoticcrash: Consult with an attorney.  Immediately.


K thanks.
2013-06-20 03:03:03 PM  
1 votes:
I thought power of attorney was meant to provide benefit to the principal, not to allow his agent to steal from him. If she is stealing from him, can't the granddaughter get a court to intervene? If she is not stealing from him, why is the news only showing one side of the story? Stupid news.
2013-06-20 02:59:45 PM  
1 votes:

kimmygibblershomework: Maybe I am having a bad day, but that headline is full of who gives a fark.  So if my grandma wants to sell me her horded 2 BR shoebox ww2 framehouse for above market value and I don't want to buy it because it is small, has little property, is in another state and I don't buy it I am a bad person?

/best of luck to the old dude


You might want to re-read the headline and article.
2013-06-20 02:57:59 PM  
1 votes:

Corn_Fed: If the daughter had a reasonable "side of the story," she would have publicly expressed it by now, given all the publicity.


i.imgur.com
2013-06-20 02:54:29 PM  
1 votes:

nobiology2424: Ok, just to make sure I got it right from the article.  The granddaughter made an offer, and the daughter gave a counter offer of 85,000 plus legal fees?  That seems to move past all the "he's not safe", "he abused her" theories and get back to the daughter just being in it for the money.  She seems happy to sell it back to him, just at nearly double the estimated value (likely because she knows they raised 130k and can afford it).


serial_crusher: the fact that she initially gave him a counter-offer makes me doubt it's anything like that.


James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything.


IANAL, but I'd imagine that there are laws against choosing to a specific person to whom to sell your house.  Specifically, there are things in the fair housing act that prohibit discrimination based on familial status.  Discrimination against the family members was not the intent of the act, but her denying to sell to him because he is who he is could very well be interpreted as in violation of the law.

Sooo, unless she intends to occupy the house, I would think that she would have to give terms under which she would sell to him.  She named a price she knew was higher than he could afford.

For whatever reason - she's a coont or she has a desire to see him in assisted living.
2013-06-20 02:51:11 PM  
1 votes:
I remember this story initially happened because these two had a disagreement on how his son/her brother who's mentally disabled should be cared for. I think she wanted him sent away, he wanted to keep him local so that they'd remain close and there came some legal blows. Then when dad had some health issues he gave daughter power of attorney for "just in cases". Then she basically took over his deed. And even her own child won't speak to her.
2013-06-20 02:51:04 PM  
1 votes:
Per TFA : she offered to sell it to him for $85k, basically double the market value. There's gotta be more to the story, but so far I find it very sad.
2013-06-20 02:49:54 PM  
1 votes:
Form a development corporation with a plan for that site to be a museum. It will be open only on Veteran's Day, with one employee that can share some of his experience and how his daughter is a biatch. The city gets the property at the recent appraised value from the biatch and accepts a large private donation from the online group to cover administering the property ad infinitum.

Or the family is all in on it together.
2013-06-20 02:49:42 PM  
1 votes:

Blues_X: Arthur Jumbles: Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.

We don't know the whole story, maybe the father was an abuser and a rapist and this is the daughter's chance for revenge.

It would HAVE to be something like that for there to be any non-evil reason for her actions.


Or he's nearly non-functional helpless, gets all his food delivered, is constantly demanding help from the family that doesn't live there but refuses to move in with them or move to an assisted-living center, and this is the only way for her to force him to do so.
2013-06-20 02:46:28 PM  
1 votes:

serial_crusher: I would be interested in hearing the daughter's side of the story.  Only possible reason I could think of to do something like that is to pressure the old guy to move into the old folks home you think he needs to be in, but the fact that she initially gave him a counter-offer makes me doubt it's anything like that.

She's probably got a deal with some crooked land developer who's trying to turn the whole block into upscale condos and this guy is the last hold out.  Might have to call the A-Team on this one.


You mean Anonymous, right?
2013-06-20 02:43:49 PM  
1 votes:
At least the granddaughter seems like a pretty awesome person.  sigh.

brap: She thinks she's "won."

She will wake up tomorrow not only universally loathed as the symbol of greed but worse yet, she will wake up with a house in Ohio.

2.bp.blogspot.com
2013-06-20 02:43:23 PM  
1 votes:
Odds are he was an asshole as a dad but she chose to become an evil biatch.  I doubt either side can be supported without stepping knee deep in bullshiat.
2013-06-20 02:42:16 PM  
1 votes:
Special Hell.
2013-06-20 02:14:26 PM  
1 votes:
People suck.
2013-06-20 01:59:58 PM  
1 votes:
Again?
 
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