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(Sun News Network)   The 92-year-old war vet has been evicted from the house he built because his daughter rejected his offer to buy the house above market value   (sunnewsnetwork.ca ) divider line
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2013-06-21 12:10:36 AM  

vrax: JWideman: skozlaw: randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know...

No she doesn't. Why is it any of your farking business and why do you just assume that a 92 year old man you don't know is giving you an accurate accounting of the situation via third parties?

I swear to god sometimes I think Farkers are actually dumber than Youtubers....

This! The only reason the story became public in the first place was to raise money. She doesn't have to say anything. However, she (well, her husband) actually did:

"His daughter and son-in-law say the dispute is over visitation rights for Potter's other child who as Autism.
"For him to stay in that home it is real simple leave Joe alone and stop the lawsuits," said the son-in-law, Dean Cottrill.  - http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/297517/45/Elderly-WW-II-veteran-face s -eviction-due-to-family-feud

Joe is the autistic son.

The couple illegally used their POA to transfer the property.  Fark them!


Probably to pay for the lawsuits. Poetic justice when the old man was offered a way out?

/devil and advocate, LLC
 
2013-06-21 12:22:52 AM  

Darth Vader Ginsburg: Butch McBiatchipants
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And notice the crucifix. Way to honor thy father there, hypocrite. Kicking dad out of the house he built: it's just what Jesus would have done.
 
2013-06-21 12:31:46 AM  

silsurf28: Well then there is this:
"Another reason Potter and his attorney believe Cottrill would sell the home is she began selling parcels - about 14 acres in total -- from a hunting property Potter had owned a few miles away from his home last year.  "

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/91-year-ohio-man-evicted-home-daughte r/ story?id=19134306#.UcONedj3PMy

Read the whole article


Pretty small hunting property. What would you hunt there? Squirrels? Gophers? One deer, maybe?
 
2013-06-21 12:36:44 AM  

Silverstaff: Shazam999: pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

There's lots of places in the USA that still have relatively cheap housing.  Nashville seems to have a lot of cheap homes too.

Yeah, housing costs vary WILDLY in the US between rural and urban areas.  I know that in Kentucky, once you get away from the major metropolitan areas (Louisville, Lexington, Northern KY outskirts of Cincinnati) then it's quite easy to get a 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom house with a decent yard for $50k or less, as long as you're willing to live in small town America.

My wife likes to watch those home-shopping shows on HGTV, and for what they spend on a modest place in some big metropolitan area you could buy (or build) a bona-fide mansion in other parts of the country.  I still boggle to see families on these shows throw around $250k to $300k asking prices for decent homes, when you could get the same house for half that in a city around here, and a third of that in a small town or in the countryside.

Is living in a gigantic major metropolitan area really, REALLY worth that much more compared to a mid-size city or a small town?


It's all about the money. You make more in a metro area so of course the cost is more and make less in small towns so it is less to buy but the percentage of income to housing can stay roughly the same.
 
2013-06-21 12:39:21 AM  

jaybeezey: Smeggy Smurf: Odds are he was an asshole as a dad but she chose to become an evil biatch.  I doubt either side can be supported without stepping knee deep in bullshiat.

Why does everything have to turn into Syria?


Because your dad touched you at night.
 
2013-06-21 01:30:20 AM  
Regardless of whose side of the story is what, and who is right or wrong in this situation, I'll be surprised if someone doesn't burn that house to the ground once the old man is forced out of it.

Also, for those who've suggested the daughter wants her father in an assisted living facility, has anyone read anything to that effect? Has there been anything reported about arrangements being made or facilities being contacted? (genuinely curious)
 
2013-06-21 03:38:44 AM  

geek_mars: Regardless of whose side of the story is what, and who is right or wrong in this situation, I'll be surprised if someone doesn't burn that house to the ground once the old man is forced out of it.

Also, for those who've suggested the daughter wants her father in an assisted living facility, has anyone read anything to that effect? Has there been anything reported about arrangements being made or facilities being contacted? (genuinely curious)


nothing has been said about putting him in a home being the reason to get him out of the house.  the previous article (hence this followup) said the daughter is just petty about the autistic son in the family.  since he isn't getting what she wants for him she's going to kick him out if they dont pay $85k for a $47k house.

until damning evidence comes out saying this guy was abusive or terrible to them i'm siding with him.  if it does come out i'll about-face on this topic.
 
2013-06-21 03:53:38 AM  

saturn badger: chaoticcrash: Wow.  Reading more of the story here has me thinking there is a special place reserved in hell for the daughter.  Some things are so simple they are hard to believe.

Parents set up Power of Attorney 'in case' as a responsible move.

Daughter uses this to transfer deed on home to herself, quietly & illegally.

Daughter waits till statute of limitations runs out and moves in for the kill.

Legally, She's in the clear.

Morally, She's a spawn of satan.

Wow.
WWII vet. I wonder if he still has that .45 service revolver.


Wat.
 
2013-06-21 04:10:20 AM  
I'm gathering that this entire discussion hinges on one thing we are not privy too, Does the father deserve this? Reviewing that question and answering ONLY with a yes/no. No qulifiers. What do you all think?
Let's get some number going, and stat some polls asap =P just for fun
 
2013-06-21 04:48:46 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: I'm gathering that this entire discussion hinges on one thing we are not privy too, Does the father deserve this? Reviewing that question and answering ONLY with a yes/no. No qulifiers. What do you all think?
Let's get some number going, and stat some polls asap =P just for fun


Based on the articles I've read:  NO
 
2013-06-21 05:37:33 AM  

The Flexecutioner: geek_mars: Regardless of whose side of the story is what, and who is right or wrong in this situation, I'll be surprised if someone doesn't burn that house to the ground once the old man is forced out of it.

Also, for those who've suggested the daughter wants her father in an assisted living facility, has anyone read anything to that effect? Has there been anything reported about arrangements being made or facilities being contacted? (genuinely curious)

nothing has been said about putting him in a home being the reason to get him out of the house.  the previous article (hence this followup) said the daughter is just petty about the autistic son in the family.  since he isn't getting what she wants for him she's going to kick him out if they dont pay $85k for a $47k house.

until damning evidence comes out saying this guy was abusive or terrible to them i'm siding with him.  if it does come out i'll about-face on this topic.


Even then I'm not siding with the daughter because she broke the law on all this. This was a rather sneaky, underhanded, thing. Doesn't matter if someone was a jerk to you in the past, it doesn't make it right to pull something like that. Had he been bad to her I could totally see her refusing to take power of attorney, not talking to him and saying "fark you, have fun dying alone." However this was as underhanded as it gets. She should go to jail for it, but sadly the whole statute of limitations shiat.

That also is a real good sign that this was not done out of some kind of anger or need for revenge, as those acts tend to be overt and off the cuff, but rather just greed and spite.
 
2013-06-21 05:47:05 AM  
Having issues with an elder parent myself and knowing that 50% of people by 85 have pre-dementia, I'm not so sure this is solely about an evil daughter.

All my life I've thought if a person wanted to stay in their home then all effort should be made to allow that but now I realize unless an elder or person facing incapacitation doesn't have a strong support system it is better for them to go into care and of course, should have someone to act as their advocate to protect them not only from potential abuse but inherent flaws within the system.

My parent is literally killing herself thru lack of self care making herself sicker than she needs to be.and is very unhappy. She has early heading to moderate dementia and her lack of taking meds for her physical issues is excerbating her ability to make good decisions.

Not only are her choices impacting her life negatively but it is also affecting my life, my daughter's (who is only 8 and her entire life has been impacted by this) and she is a potential public safety issue as she refuses to stop driving.

All efforts are being made for her to voluntarily make life changes but it is possible that I may have to take her to court and revoke her rights to self determination.

With every fiber of being I do not want to do that but I may have to. It is a horrible burden. It is not about payback or wishing to control her assets.

The daughter may be a coont or she may not be. I don't know but I do know that elder parent issues are very difficult.
 
2013-06-21 06:23:04 AM  

chaoticcrash: Wow.  Reading more of the story here has me thinking there is a special place reserved in hell for the daughter.  Some things are so simple they are hard to believe.

Parents set up Power of Attorney 'in case' as a responsible move.

Daughter uses this to transfer deed on home to herself, quietly & illegally.

Daughter waits till statute of limitations runs out and moves in for the kill.

Legally, She's in the clear.

Morally, She's a spawn of satan.


WRONG:

Morally she's correct to maximize her potential profits.  Altruism, or anything done where the net profit is less than the net expenditure, is immoral on the grounds that it compromises YOUR position financially.  Since she was surreptitious, but she was able to wait out the Statute of Limitations, what she did was shrewd, calculated, and financially savvy.  The daughter now has a guaranteed money source if her father (who was dumb enough to give up PoA, or dumb enough to allow it to be transferred in a quiet fashion without his legal right to an attorney to break down the explanation... or even legal-aid to do so) desires to have his home back, and in the event he dies before he makes his decision, unless the father had the wherewithal to explicitly (ie: in writing) omit her from the will, this savvy daughter will profit further from his worldly possessions that she may convert to funds at an estate sale.

Love, doesn't pay lawyer's fees, a revenue stream that's greater than the per hour, or flat, rate of an attorney will.  Good on the daughter for trying to maximize her profits.  Her sacrifices will be reflected by the growth of her bank account.
 
2013-06-21 07:50:20 AM  

James!: Maybe she doesn't want her personal family shiat dragged through the media?  Who knows it's her business.  Assuming guilt just because she won't make a spectacle of herself on youtube is shiatty.


Her personal shiat is already in the media, she is already far worse than any spectacle on Youtube.

Comment from one of the news sites:  Hmmmmm...perhaps Ramon & Janice Cottrill might be "accidentally" run over by a passing car....or be unfortunate enough to be in the crossfire of a shootout......or trip into a garbage dumpster headed for some crap-filled landfill.

Now if any of the above happened I bet the stupid cow would regret that she didn't bother to do so much as release even a single statement explaining her side of the story, assuming she has one that is half way decent, which I doubt.

I wouldn't burn down the old man's house as others have said, I'd go for the one the biatch currently lives in. See how much she doesn't care about what people think of her then.
 
2013-06-21 08:04:18 AM  

silverjets: So she's in it for the money and is the devil incarnate.


How can she be in it for the money when she turned down an amount that's far more than she could get for it selling to someone else?
 
2013-06-21 08:36:26 AM  
My 92 year old mother is in a Elderwood facility and she loves it. Her own apartment with meals included.
Better than living alone at that age.
 
2013-06-21 10:28:32 AM  
Why is Janice Cotrill even wanting to do that to her own father to start with?  She even rejected an offer that's $36,000 more than what the house and land is worth, so it's not about the money.  Has anyone ever tried to talk to her and ask why?
 
2013-06-21 01:03:48 PM  
Um...a lot of you seem to think the daughter OWES YOU an explanation. The daughter doesn't owe you anything. You're the one butting in on this family's business. We don't know the situation, and it doesn't concern us.
 
2013-06-21 03:11:11 PM  

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: Um...a lot of you seem to think the daughter OWES YOU an explanation. The daughter doesn't owe you anything. You're the one butting in on this family's business. We don't know the situation, and it doesn't concern us.


Our concerns dont concern you.  She only 'owes' our anger an explanation and even then it's short term until the next anger issue presents itself.
 
2013-06-21 07:37:50 PM  
So if they have raised 140k, why didn't they meet the 85k price?
 
2013-06-21 07:48:39 PM  

ganzonomy: chaoticcrash: Wow.  Reading more of the story here has me thinking there is a special place reserved in hell for the daughter.  Some things are so simple they are hard to believe.

Parents set up Power of Attorney 'in case' as a responsible move.

Daughter uses this to transfer deed on home to herself, quietly & illegally.

Daughter waits till statute of limitations runs out and moves in for the kill.

Legally, She's in the clear.

Morally, She's a spawn of satan.

WRONG:

Morally she's correct to maximize her potential profits.  Altruism, or anything done where the net profit is less than the net expenditure, is immoral on the grounds that it compromises YOUR position financially.  Since she was surreptitious, but she was able to wait out the Statute of Limitations, what she did was shrewd, calculated, and financially savvy.  The daughter now has a guaranteed money source if her father (who was dumb enough to give up PoA, or dumb enough to allow it to be transferred in a quiet fashion without his legal right to an attorney to break down the explanation... or even legal-aid to do so) desires to have his home back, and in the event he dies before he makes his decision, unless the father had the wherewithal to explicitly (ie: in writing) omit her from the will, this savvy daughter will profit further from his worldly possessions that she may convert to funds at an estate sale.

Love, doesn't pay lawyer's fees, a revenue stream that's greater than the per hour, or flat, rate of an attorney will.  Good on the daughter for trying to maximize her profits.  Her sacrifices will be reflected by the growth of her bank account.


Ms Rand, we have a call for you on the white courtesy phone.  A Mr. Galt.
 
2013-06-21 10:49:07 PM  

RINO: saturn badger: chaoticcrash: Wow.  Reading more of the story here has me thinking there is a special place reserved in hell for the daughter.  Some things are so simple they are hard to believe.

Parents set up Power of Attorney 'in case' as a responsible move.

Daughter uses this to transfer deed on home to herself, quietly & illegally.

Daughter waits till statute of limitations runs out and moves in for the kill.

Legally, She's in the clear.

Morally, She's a spawn of satan.

Wow. WWII vet. I wonder if he still has that .45 service revolver.

Wat.


It is like the ones Patton had.

/whew. dodger that bullet
 
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