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2013-06-20 12:35:50 PM
King Lear, 2013 style
 
2013-06-20 12:49:21 PM
I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.
 
2013-06-20 01:03:40 PM

Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.


We don't know the whole story, maybe the father was an abuser and a rapist and this is the daughter's chance for revenge.
 
2013-06-20 01:10:14 PM

Arthur Jumbles: Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.

We don't know the whole story, maybe the father was an abuser and a rapist and this is the daughter's chance for revenge.


It would HAVE to be something like that for there to be any non-evil reason for her actions.
 
2013-06-20 01:45:09 PM
I recall this story hitting Fark a while ago (or perhaps it was somewhere else) and there definitely feels like there's more to it than meets the eye.
 
2013-06-20 01:57:52 PM
What a coont.
 
2013-06-20 01:59:58 PM
Again?
 
2013-06-20 02:02:26 PM
maybe he's not living safely and she wants him in care. Maybe he was able to convince a naive granddaughter that they were stealing his home when all they really want to do is get him the care he needs.Otherwise why not take the offer of more money than the thing is worth.
 
2013-06-20 02:06:57 PM
The last time this came up I seem to remember it involving the custody of the disabled son. I don't know what's going on here but we have to just be getting a glimpse at the entire story.
 
2013-06-20 02:14:26 PM
People suck.
 
2013-06-20 02:26:33 PM
Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything.  This whole thing was dumb from the start.

We're only getting the granddaughter's side since her mother won't talk to the media about it.
 
2013-06-20 02:34:51 PM
I would be interested in hearing the daughter's side of the story.  Only possible reason I could think of to do something like that is to pressure the old guy to move into the old folks home you think he needs to be in, but the fact that she initially gave him a counter-offer makes me doubt it's anything like that.

She's probably got a deal with some crooked land developer who's trying to turn the whole block into upscale condos and this guy is the last hold out.  Might have to call the A-Team on this one.

James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything. This whole thing was dumb from the start


It's not so much that she refused to sell it as it is that she apparently obtained the property as a result of him giving her power of attorney for whatever reason.
 
2013-06-20 02:38:02 PM

serial_crusher: I would be interested in hearing the daughter's side of the story.  Only possible reason I could think of to do something like that is to pressure the old guy to move into the old folks home you think he needs to be in, but the fact that she initially gave him a counter-offer makes me doubt it's anything like that.

She's probably got a deal with some crooked land developer who's trying to turn the whole block into upscale condos and this guy is the last hold out.  Might have to call the A-Team on this one.

James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything. This whole thing was dumb from the start

It's not so much that she refused to sell it as it is that she apparently obtained the property as a result of him giving her power of attorney for whatever reason.


That's pretty common though.
 
2013-06-20 02:42:16 PM
Special Hell.
 
2013-06-20 02:42:17 PM
She thinks she's "won."

She will wake up tomorrow not only universally loathed as the symbol of greed but worse yet, she will wake up with a house in Ohio.
 
2013-06-20 02:42:35 PM
Ok, just to make sure I got it right from the article.  The granddaughter made an offer, and the daughter gave a counter offer of 85,000 plus legal fees?  That seems to move past all the "he's not safe", "he abused her" theories and get back to the daughter just being in it for the money.  She seems happy to sell it back to him, just at nearly double the estimated value (likely because she knows they raised 130k and can afford it).
 
2013-06-20 02:43:23 PM
Odds are he was an asshole as a dad but she chose to become an evil biatch.  I doubt either side can be supported without stepping knee deep in bullshiat.
 
2013-06-20 02:43:38 PM

James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything.  This whole thing was dumb from the start.

We're only getting the granddaughter's side since her mother won't talk to the media about it.


So why aren't we getting the daughter's side? There certainly could be some reasons why she would want to dump him on the street. But in the absence of any statement as to why she's doing it, all we can do is speculate, and Occam's razor suggests that she's the queen of the harpies.
 
2013-06-20 02:43:47 PM
Funny though - she was willing to sell it back to him for a premium.
 
2013-06-20 02:43:48 PM
Roger Zalinski, the auto parts king?
 
2013-06-20 02:43:49 PM
At least the granddaughter seems like a pretty awesome person.  sigh.

brap: She thinks she's "won."

She will wake up tomorrow not only universally loathed as the symbol of greed but worse yet, she will wake up with a house in Ohio.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-20 02:44:19 PM
I continue to feel this is an intergenerational scam.

However, if it is not, I would suggest letting the daughter keep the house (worth $50,000) and disinherit her from the newfound $140,000.
 
2013-06-20 02:46:28 PM

serial_crusher: I would be interested in hearing the daughter's side of the story.  Only possible reason I could think of to do something like that is to pressure the old guy to move into the old folks home you think he needs to be in, but the fact that she initially gave him a counter-offer makes me doubt it's anything like that.

She's probably got a deal with some crooked land developer who's trying to turn the whole block into upscale condos and this guy is the last hold out.  Might have to call the A-Team on this one.


You mean Anonymous, right?
 
2013-06-20 02:47:21 PM
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't there usually clauses in Powers of Attorney that dictate that transfers and decisions are to be made in the best interest of the Assignee?  The legality of this business seems a little shady.
 
2013-06-20 02:47:39 PM
Wow.  Reading more of the story here has me thinking there is a special place reserved in hell for the daughter.  Some things are so simple they are hard to believe.

Parents set up Power of Attorney 'in case' as a responsible move.

Daughter uses this to transfer deed on home to herself, quietly & illegally.

Daughter waits till statute of limitations runs out and moves in for the kill.

Legally, She's in the clear.

Morally, She's a spawn of satan.
 
2013-06-20 02:48:48 PM

Frankentots: Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't there usually clauses in Powers of Attorney that dictate that transfers and decisions are to be made in the best interest of the Assignee?  The legality of this business seems a little shady.


I don't remember exactly what my power of attorney statement says (I had to sign one before I deployed), but it wouldn't surprise me if that is not boilerplate in all POAs.
 
2013-06-20 02:49:00 PM
Again.

My grandmother took a particularly nasty turn of senile demnetia (violent) and shortly afterwards  :| Grandpa S died.

His will had signed his half over to his daughter, so she had leverage on the house. BECAUSE if she didn't have it, and Grandma S got declared senile by the government / State, we would lose all of it to them to "pay" for her declining issues and care.

But because granny was in wacko-territory, we were the devils incarnate, and she made sure everyone she opened her bloody mouth to knew, even though she got to keep her care AND her money, until the day she bought it because of what we did.

If the daughter's a biatchy-mcbiatchpants, then fair enough form the lynch mob. But I've been on the wrong end of this myself. I can't be this simple. If it is, well. 'murica I guess.
 
2013-06-20 02:49:42 PM

Blues_X: Arthur Jumbles: Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.

We don't know the whole story, maybe the father was an abuser and a rapist and this is the daughter's chance for revenge.

It would HAVE to be something like that for there to be any non-evil reason for her actions.


Or he's nearly non-functional helpless, gets all his food delivered, is constantly demanding help from the family that doesn't live there but refuses to move in with them or move to an assisted-living center, and this is the only way for her to force him to do so.
 
2013-06-20 02:49:54 PM
Form a development corporation with a plan for that site to be a museum. It will be open only on Veteran's Day, with one employee that can share some of his experience and how his daughter is a biatch. The city gets the property at the recent appraised value from the biatch and accepts a large private donation from the online group to cover administering the property ad infinitum.

Or the family is all in on it together.
 
2013-06-20 02:50:44 PM
 I still think this whole thing is a giant scam. If the daughter sells the house back to her father, she'll have 60K in income that they didn't have prior to this. All of that income came from donations to a 92 year old vet to do what exactly?

It all just seems weird.
 
2013-06-20 02:51:04 PM
Per TFA : she offered to sell it to him for $85k, basically double the market value. There's gotta be more to the story, but so far I find it very sad.
 
2013-06-20 02:51:11 PM
I remember this story initially happened because these two had a disagreement on how his son/her brother who's mentally disabled should be cared for. I think she wanted him sent away, he wanted to keep him local so that they'd remain close and there came some legal blows. Then when dad had some health issues he gave daughter power of attorney for "just in cases". Then she basically took over his deed. And even her own child won't speak to her.
 
2013-06-20 02:51:18 PM
According to the article, someone raised $139k but never took up the $85k offer?
 
2013-06-20 02:51:33 PM
I suspect the whole family is in on it. The family still has the house, and they now have milked 150k from the rubes.
 
2013-06-20 02:52:30 PM

James!: serial_crusher: I would be interested in hearing the daughter's side of the story.  Only possible reason I could think of to do something like that is to pressure the old guy to move into the old folks home you think he needs to be in, but the fact that she initially gave him a counter-offer makes me doubt it's anything like that.

She's probably got a deal with some crooked land developer who's trying to turn the whole block into upscale condos and this guy is the last hold out.  Might have to call the A-Team on this one.

James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything. This whole thing was dumb from the start

It's not so much that she refused to sell it as it is that she apparently obtained the property as a result of him giving her power of attorney for whatever reason.

That's pretty common though.


It's not "pretty common" for the person with power of attorney to transfer property to herself.  That's self-dealing, and it's generally illegal.  In this case, I understand that the lower court voided the transfer, but was overruled on statute of limitations grounds.  Doesn't make the initial transfer legal, just means that the father can't do a thing about it.
 
2013-06-20 02:54:02 PM

chaoticcrash: Wow.  Reading more of the story here has me thinking there is a special place reserved in hell for the daughter.  Some things are so simple they are hard to believe.

Parents set up Power of Attorney 'in case' as a responsible move.

Daughter uses this to transfer deed on home to herself, quietly & illegally.

Daughter waits till statute of limitations runs out and moves in for the kill.

Legally, She's in the clear.

Morally, She's a spawn of satan.



4 year statute of limitations for breach of fiduciary duty and fraud - especially with real property involved - seems awfully short.  Any Fark lawyers care to comment on what prevails in other states?
 
2013-06-20 02:54:17 PM
I don't know anything about this but I'm outraged.
 
2013-06-20 02:54:26 PM
I hate to use the word "coont", but that's exactly what the daughter appears to be, an amoral, evil coont. Hopefully this Fella can do his country one more service and erase the stain of her existence and then claim senile dementia as a mitigating factor with this poa and the daughters own testimony from the eviction proceedings to exonerate him of any crime.
 
2013-06-20 02:54:29 PM

nobiology2424: Ok, just to make sure I got it right from the article.  The granddaughter made an offer, and the daughter gave a counter offer of 85,000 plus legal fees?  That seems to move past all the "he's not safe", "he abused her" theories and get back to the daughter just being in it for the money.  She seems happy to sell it back to him, just at nearly double the estimated value (likely because she knows they raised 130k and can afford it).


serial_crusher: the fact that she initially gave him a counter-offer makes me doubt it's anything like that.


James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything.


IANAL, but I'd imagine that there are laws against choosing to a specific person to whom to sell your house.  Specifically, there are things in the fair housing act that prohibit discrimination based on familial status.  Discrimination against the family members was not the intent of the act, but her denying to sell to him because he is who he is could very well be interpreted as in violation of the law.

Sooo, unless she intends to occupy the house, I would think that she would have to give terms under which she would sell to him.  She named a price she knew was higher than he could afford.

For whatever reason - she's a coont or she has a desire to see him in assisted living.
 
2013-06-20 02:54:53 PM
It'd be a shame if there were an accidental deep fat fryer fire on the day the old man moved out.

A real shame.
 
2013-06-20 02:55:11 PM
If the daughter had a reasonable "side of the story," she would have publicly expressed it by now, given all the publicity.

The fact that she hasn't, suggests to me that she is motivated by something that wouldn't be highly approved of.
 
2013-06-20 02:57:37 PM
So uh. In theory, if I was having a problem just like this (but without as much time passing, so SoL is  less of a problem) where should I start?
 
2013-06-20 02:57:53 PM
Maybe I am having a bad day, but that headline is full of who gives a fark.  So if my grandma wants to sell me her horded 2 BR shoebox ww2 framehouse for above market value and I don't want to buy it because it is small, has little property, is in another state and I don't buy it I am a bad person?

/best of luck to the old dude
 
2013-06-20 02:57:59 PM

Corn_Fed: If the daughter had a reasonable "side of the story," she would have publicly expressed it by now, given all the publicity.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-20 02:59:43 PM
The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguist.

But until she speaks up, I am going to just assume she is a miserable heartless soul-sucking coont who makes the world a worse place to live in.
 
2013-06-20 02:59:45 PM

kimmygibblershomework: Maybe I am having a bad day, but that headline is full of who gives a fark.  So if my grandma wants to sell me her horded 2 BR shoebox ww2 framehouse for above market value and I don't want to buy it because it is small, has little property, is in another state and I don't buy it I am a bad person?

/best of luck to the old dude


You might want to re-read the headline and article.
 
2013-06-20 03:00:27 PM

FARK rebel soldier: So uh. In theory, if I was having a problem just like this (but without as much time passing, so SoL is  less of a problem) where should I start?


Consult with an attorney.  Immediately.
 
2013-06-20 03:01:10 PM
More to the story? - most likely - perhaps he is a danger to himself and/or others and needs to be in a supervised environment.

Dang - and we just got this new shipment of pitchforks and torches - what are we supposed to do with these now?
 
2013-06-20 03:01:13 PM

Serious Black: James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything.  This whole thing was dumb from the start.

We're only getting the granddaughter's side since her mother won't talk to the media about it.

So why aren't we getting the daughter's side? There certainly could be some reasons why she would want to dump him on the street. But in the absence of any statement as to why she's doing it, all we can do is speculate, and Occam's razor suggests that she's the queen of the harpies.


Maybe she doesn't want her personal family shiat dragged through the media?  Who knows it's her business.  Assuming guilt just because she won't make a spectacle of herself on youtube is shiatty.
 
2013-06-20 03:01:22 PM

randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguish.

But until she speaks up, I am going to just assume she is a miserable heartless soul-sucking coont who makes the world a worse place to live in.


Pretty much this.
 
2013-06-20 03:01:40 PM
I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.
 
2013-06-20 03:03:03 PM
I thought power of attorney was meant to provide benefit to the principal, not to allow his agent to steal from him. If she is stealing from him, can't the granddaughter get a court to intervene? If she is not stealing from him, why is the news only showing one side of the story? Stupid news.
 
2013-06-20 03:03:08 PM

shArkh: Again.

My grandmother took a particularly nasty turn of senile demnetia (violent) and shortly afterwards  :| Grandpa S died.

His will had signed his half over to his daughter, so she had leverage on the house. BECAUSE if she didn't have it, and Grandma S got declared senile by the government / State, we would lose all of it to them to "pay" for her declining issues and care.

But because granny was in wacko-territory, we were the devils incarnate, and she made sure everyone she opened her bloody mouth to knew, even though she got to keep her care AND her money, until the day she bought it because of what we did.

If the daughter's a biatchy-mcbiatchpants, then fair enough form the lynch mob. But I've been on the wrong end of this myself. I can't be this simple. If it is, well. 'murica I guess.


Having witnessed similar family drama (not in my family, thank God, but in a friend's), THIS. We have no idea what's going on here, especially as there was apparently some attendant drama involving the care of an autistic son. It could be the daughter is evil. It could be that her father is a senile crank who refuses to believe that he can't care for himself. There could be disputes about where the money for the autistic son's care should come from. We're seeing so little of the story that making sweeping judgements is useless.
 
2013-06-20 03:06:48 PM

chaoticcrash: Consult with an attorney.  Immediately.


K thanks.
 
2013-06-20 03:07:39 PM

pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.


There's lots of places in the USA that still have relatively cheap housing.  Nashville seems to have a lot of cheap homes too.
 
2013-06-20 03:08:02 PM
Honestly, I respect the daughter more for not being an attention whore about it.
 
2013-06-20 03:08:04 PM

Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.


Came here to say this.
 
2013-06-20 03:09:19 PM

randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguist.

But until she speaks up, I am going to just assume she is a miserable heartless soul-sucking coont who makes the world a worse place to live in.


Like she gives two shiats what you think of her.
 
2013-06-20 03:10:35 PM
As the eldest child of a 82 year old mother, let me say that this is one of those stories that probably has a lot more to it than what being written in the press.
 
2013-06-20 03:11:10 PM

pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.


There aren't many condos where you are.
 
2013-06-20 03:14:21 PM

RenownedCurator: shArkh: Again.

My grandmother took a particularly nasty turn of senile demnetia (violent) and shortly afterwards  :| Grandpa S died.

His will had signed his half over to his daughter, so she had leverage on the house. BECAUSE if she didn't have it, and Grandma S got declared senile by the government / State, we would lose all of it to them to "pay" for her declining issues and care.

But because granny was in wacko-territory, we were the devils incarnate, and she made sure everyone she opened her bloody mouth to knew, even though she got to keep her care AND her money, until the day she bought it because of what we did.

If the daughter's a biatchy-mcbiatchpants, then fair enough form the lynch mob. But I've been on the wrong end of this myself. I can't be this simple. If it is, well. 'murica I guess.

Having witnessed similar family drama (not in my family, thank God, but in a friend's), THIS. We have no idea what's going on here, especially as there was apparently some attendant drama involving the care of an autistic son. It could be the daughter is evil. It could be that her father is a senile crank who refuses to believe that he can't care for himself. There could be disputes about where the money for the autistic son's care should come from. We're seeing so little of the story that making sweeping judgements is useless.


YOU!  Take your reasonableness and get the FARK OUT OF HERE!  NOW!  We have outrage to enjoy and you're killing out party, you ungrateful schmuck.
 
2013-06-20 03:14:46 PM
Janice Cotrill is a horrible person.
 
2013-06-20 03:15:02 PM
DIAF coont
 
2013-06-20 03:15:53 PM

pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.


And (just playing devil's advocate here) what is the appraised value of the condo versus the cost of the condo?

/Not up on ANY real estate policies and procedures, let alone how they set the cost for specific property types.
//Going with the 'not enough data' excuse
 
2013-06-20 03:16:43 PM

James!: Serious Black: James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything.  This whole thing was dumb from the start.

We're only getting the granddaughter's side since her mother won't talk to the media about it.

So why aren't we getting the daughter's side? There certainly could be some reasons why she would want to dump him on the street. But in the absence of any statement as to why she's doing it, all we can do is speculate, and Occam's razor suggests that she's the queen of the harpies.

Maybe she doesn't want her personal family shiat dragged through the media?  Who knows it's her business.  Assuming guilt just because she won't make a spectacle of herself on youtube is shiatty.


some other articles say she was trying to get him moved to a nursing home a few years back.

Maybe she's not just evil/vindictive(she could be, but maybe she's not). People that have differing opinion, even difficult ones are not always evil and vindictive. Older people often have stages, sometimes they appear fine and competant, and others they are eating dog food and using pepto bismol as sauce for ice cream.Even at near full mental competance,  Many older people do not properly eat meals, care for themselves,properly  take meds. Maybe to ensure his safety someone constantly had to run errands for him, cook meals, do laundry etc, and even that is not a surefire safety measure. I've seen a lot of people have to be moved into nursing facilities, and quite often  these people will fight and argue and accuse their children of betraying them. They don't realize they're no longer competant, even though they used hair spray as cooking oil and left the potentially explosive canister on the stove while they fried their chicken. Sometimes it's just a matter of them being falls risks. Bones breaks or getting stuck when they kneel/squat is quite common. there is a part of this story we do not know, and frankly I think more than enough money has been thrown at this problem.
 
2013-06-20 03:17:33 PM

randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguist.


So she made sure to maintain a relationship with him, enough to get power of attorney, and then had the amazing patience to wait until he was 92... then BAM!  Her revenge!
???
I guess she couldn't wait until he was 102.
 
2013-06-20 03:20:55 PM

Carn: Roger Zalinski, the auto parts king?


I was going with this one


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-20 03:21:05 PM
I wonder if she paid taxes on the transfer of the asset. Anyone here from the IRS?
 
2013-06-20 03:21:12 PM

octopied: James!: Serious Black: James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything.  This whole thing was dumb from the start.

We're only getting the granddaughter's side since her mother won't talk to the media about it.

So why aren't we getting the daughter's side? There certainly could be some reasons why she would want to dump him on the street. But in the absence of any statement as to why she's doing it, all we can do is speculate, and Occam's razor suggests that she's the queen of the harpies.

Maybe she doesn't want her personal family shiat dragged through the media?  Who knows it's her business.  Assuming guilt just because she won't make a spectacle of herself on youtube is shiatty.

some other articles say she was trying to get him moved to a nursing home a few years back.

Maybe she's not just evil/vindictive(she could be, but maybe she's not). People that have differing opinion, even difficult ones are not always evil and vindictive. Older people often have stages, sometimes they appear fine and competant, and others they are eating dog food and using pepto bismol as sauce for ice cream.Even at near full mental competance,  Many older people do not properly eat meals, care for themselves,properly  take meds. Maybe to ensure his safety someone constantly had to run errands for him, cook meals, do laundry etc, and even that is not a surefire safety measure. I've seen a lot of people have to be moved into nursing facilities, and quite often  these people will fight and argue and accuse their children of betraying them. They don't realize they're no longer competant, even though they used hair spray as cooking oil and left the potentially explosive canister on the stove while they fried their chicken. Sometimes it's just a matter of them being falls risks. Bones breaks or getting stuck when they kneel/squat is quite common. there is a part of this story we do not know, and frankly I think more than enough money h ...


Pepto bismol might actually be a pretty good topping for ice cream if you're lactose intolerant.
 
2013-06-20 03:21:32 PM
octopied:
there is a part of this story we do not know, and frankly I think more than enough money h ...

No, there isn't.
She always has the option of just taking the money for the house...(or being a moral person and give it back to him)...  and just forget about him and move on with her life.
She isn't trying to put him in a home, or care for him... she and her husband are just petty, horrible people.

Again, she could just stay out of his life completely.
 
2013-06-20 03:21:38 PM

RenownedCurator: We have no idea what's going on here, especially as there was apparently some attendant drama involving the care of an autistic son.


Yeah. I was all ready to be outraged until I saw that bit. Frankly even what very little I know about special care, it's a farking nightmare for everyone and you can't tell who's trying to do the right thing because it can look the opposite on paper.
 
2013-06-20 03:21:59 PM

ChipNASA: Carn: Roger Zalinski, the auto parts king?

I was going with this one


[img.fark.net image 160x160]


Oh well played.
 
2013-06-20 03:23:06 PM
Maybe the guy needs help, and the daughter wants him in a home. He won't go, so her maybe her counter-offer is high enough to cover the house and the few years' worth of in-home care he might need. Maybe she's quiet about all this because she'd rather be seen as the bad guy by a bunch of strangers than have her father lose his dignity if she's forced to tell the media how he forgets to eat, shiats his pants, lives in filth, etc. Like the 2nd Batman movie -- be the bad guy if it means good stuff gets done.

I'm not saying I know that any of that is true. But having seen what my grandfather went through before we were finally able to get him into full-time care, I'm not ready to write it off. I'm sure my grandfather had some pretty evil things to say about my father when were trying to save his home from foreclosure, trying to get him in to see doctors, etc.

Of course, if she's just greedy, fark her.
 
2013-06-20 03:24:31 PM

Magnus: RenownedCurator: shArkh: Again.

My grandmother took a particularly nasty turn of senile demnetia (violent) and shortly afterwards  :| Grandpa S died.

His will had signed his half over to his daughter, so she had leverage on the house. BECAUSE if she didn't have it, and Grandma S got declared senile by the government / State, we would lose all of it to them to "pay" for her declining issues and care.

But because granny was in wacko-territory, we were the devils incarnate, and she made sure everyone she opened her bloody mouth to knew, even though she got to keep her care AND her money, until the day she bought it because of what we did.

If the daughter's a biatchy-mcbiatchpants, then fair enough form the lynch mob. But I've been on the wrong end of this myself. I can't be this simple. If it is, well. 'murica I guess.

Having witnessed similar family drama (not in my family, thank God, but in a friend's), THIS. We have no idea what's going on here, especially as there was apparently some attendant drama involving the care of an autistic son. It could be the daughter is evil. It could be that her father is a senile crank who refuses to believe that he can't care for himself. There could be disputes about where the money for the autistic son's care should come from. We're seeing so little of the story that making sweeping judgements is useless.

YOU!  Take your reasonableness and get the FARK OUT OF HERE!  NOW!  We have outrage to enjoy and you're killing out party, you ungrateful schmuck.


The worst farking thing you can ever experience is having family spin this crap out on you. Poor little old lady/man, boohoo. Being old doesn't make them derp. It gives them an extra 30+ years on pulling the wool over your eyes.

Not saying grandpa here might not have a case! Not at all. /reason. But he might be smiling stupidly for the camera and lending 90 years of brain to getting what he thinks he wants. I've lived it, it sucks balls for everyone involved. It shouldn't make it to the news. I mean come on.
 
2013-06-20 03:25:30 PM

pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.


3x?? You can't buy property here for less than a gillion times that. I live on the moon biatch!
 
2013-06-20 03:25:51 PM
i hope the public collectively shiats on her life as proper compensation for this action.  the courts can't do it but if she loses all her friends and some family over it i'll consider it partially just.  every family needs a black sheep to be ashamed of.
 
2013-06-20 03:26:06 PM
While there are exceptions, it's the law, there are always exceptions, as a general rule if you give someone a POA they have the right to make your decision for you in the areas described in the POA until you revoke the power. It is a very powerful tool. If someone misuses one; well lets just say its not always easy or possible to put the horse back in the barn, espically after the POA sold it.
 
2013-06-20 03:26:49 PM
Daughter reminds me of this woman (they're both a complete waste of oxygen):
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2013-06-20 03:29:24 PM
Shazam999:  pho75   I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

There's lots of places in the USA that still have relatively cheap housing.  Nashville seems to have a lot of cheap homes too.


Location.  Location.  Location.  Plenty of stuff in that price range in "fly over" country.

Parents own an okay 3 bedroom house with garage and (small) yard, they can only sell for 80.  Okay decent clean working class area.

Just have to like living in a 10 - 20k pop community in the middle of bumblefark, Wisconsin.
 
2013-06-20 03:32:55 PM
Old dude must have done something very bad to her.
 
2013-06-20 03:34:55 PM

Narnboy: pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

And (just playing devil's advocate here) what is the appraised value of the condo versus the cost of the condo?

/Not up on ANY real estate policies and procedures, let alone how they set the cost for specific property types.
//Going with the 'not enough data' excuse


Zaleski is just about the most backwater hell in Appalachian Ohio ... it's outside of Athens, in the middle of gawdforsakennowheresville ... it's also in Vinton County, like the 2nd poorest of the 88 in Ohio. 

However, that being said, under $50k is pretty normal for much of non-urban Ohio ... hell, even in urban Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Columbus, $50k will buy you a pre-WW2 home in the city proper.

Some of you people need to get the fark out of whatever high-priced hell hole you're living in and get out and see the rest of the country.  Hell, for $50k, I could buy a 20 acre parcel here in Geauga County.
 
2013-06-20 03:35:01 PM

whither_apophis: King Lear, 2013 style


Reganomics?
 
2013-06-20 03:35:23 PM

SirEattonHogg: Shazam999:  pho75   I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

There's lots of places in the USA that still have relatively cheap housing.  Nashville seems to have a lot of cheap homes too.


Location.  Location.  Location.  Plenty of stuff in that price range in "fly over" country.

Parents own an okay 3 bedroom house with garage and (small) yard, they can only sell for 80.  Okay decent clean working class area.

Just have to like living in a 10 - 20k pop community in the middle of bumblefark, Wisconsin.


Yeah pretty much.  I wouldn't mind living in a place like that though other than the whiteys might kill my ass.
 
2013-06-20 03:36:30 PM
 Zaleski, Ohio, is just south of Lancaster, so house is probably only worth $35K. South of Hooterville and east of Mayberry.
 
2013-06-20 03:38:19 PM
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Mr Potter to be evicted?  Unlikely.

 
2013-06-20 03:38:58 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if it's as simple as he can't take care of himself, none of the family is willing to move in with him, they want him to move in with them or into an assisted care facility, and he's being a typical senior who simply wants to stay in their home but is ignoring the realities of the situation.
 
2013-06-20 03:48:00 PM

James!: serial_crusher: I would be interested in hearing the daughter's side of the story.  Only possible reason I could think of to do something like that is to pressure the old guy to move into the old folks home you think he needs to be in, but the fact that she initially gave him a counter-offer makes me doubt it's anything like that.

She's probably got a deal with some crooked land developer who's trying to turn the whole block into upscale condos and this guy is the last hold out.  Might have to call the A-Team on this one.

James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything. This whole thing was dumb from the start

It's not so much that she refused to sell it as it is that she apparently obtained the property as a result of him giving her power of attorney for whatever reason.

That's pretty common though.


Yea, my in-laws have given my wife power of attorney even though they are both pretty healthy and only in their early 70s.
 
2013-06-20 03:51:19 PM
He should offer to buy the houses on either side of his with the money he raised and never cut the grass, park broken down cars in the grass, buy roosters, and poop in the yards. I suppose if he was really an evil rapist a-hole he's thought of this already.
 
2013-06-20 03:52:16 PM

special20: Old dude must have done something very bad to her.


Call me crazy, but based on the fact that he gave her POA, she misused it, the rest of the family tried to turn things back in his favor and the granddaughter (biatch's daughter) is trying to help him in any way she can, I'm going to take his side for now.

I'm also guessing that she's collecting some sort of disability check for her autistic brother whom she assumed custody of and would no longer allow Potter to visit.  Just a guess though.
 
2013-06-20 03:53:19 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Odds are he was an asshole as a dad but she chose to become an evil biatch.  I doubt either side can be supported without stepping knee deep in bullshiat.


Why does everything have to turn into Syria?
 
2013-06-20 03:53:50 PM

TheBigJerk: Blues_X: Arthur Jumbles: Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.

We don't know the whole story, maybe the father was an abuser and a rapist and this is the daughter's chance for revenge.

It would HAVE to be something like that for there to be any non-evil reason for her actions.

Or he's nearly non-functional helpless, gets all his food delivered, is constantly demanding help from the family that doesn't live there but refuses to move in with them or move to an assisted-living center, and this is the only way for her to force him to do so.


Yeah, I'm with you,  the big jerk, the grandpa is most likely just a sponge suckling off the gub'mint's teet.  Plus, he's a former politician.  There's no telling what sins he committed in his past.
 
2013-06-20 03:55:38 PM
shazam999:
Yeah pretty much.  I wouldn't mind living in a place like that though other than the whiteys might kill my ass.


Doesn't bother my folks and we aint whitey-ish.  We're orientals.

Can I say that?
 
2013-06-20 03:56:47 PM

randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know...


No she doesn't. Why is it any of your farking business and why do you just assume that a 92 year old man you don't know is giving you an accurate accounting of the situation via third parties?

I swear to god sometimes I think Farkers are actually dumber than Youtubers....
 
2013-06-20 03:58:23 PM
There's got to be more to this story than what's been reported. Just what happened to this daughter to make her so filled with hate to evict her elderly father?
 
2013-06-20 03:58:36 PM

SirEattonHogg: shazam999:
Yeah pretty much.  I wouldn't mind living in a place like that though other than the whiteys might kill my ass.


Doesn't bother my folks and we aint whitey-ish.  We're orientals.

Can I say that?


Where are you?  I'm always wary of the "south" because holy fark American racists really like to espouse their racism.
 
2013-06-20 04:01:17 PM

Wodan11: Wouldn't surprise me if it's as simple as he can't take care of himself, none of the family is willing to move in with him, they want him to move in with them or into an assisted care facility, and he's being a typical senior who simply wants to stay in their home but is ignoring the realities of the situation.


Which is exactly what happened with my 89 year old grandmother. You'd think the entire family that had cared for her the prior 19 years had suddenly turned into SUPERROBOHITLER the way she acted but there was no other choice. We couldn't supply 24/7 care for her and she had several cardiac episodes in the prior months, had stopped paying her bills, wasn't taking care of herself or the house and was stashing half-eaten cans of goddamn tuna all over the place. It was either force her into assisted care or let her virtually rot to death in her own filth.

I'm sure if that's what's happening - and with his age odds are pretty good that's it - the daughter probably feels really great about all the idiots on the internet being shaitheels about it to boot. Because it's not hard enough knowing you're doing what's necessary and taking the abuse for it from family members as it is.
 
2013-06-20 04:01:24 PM

Babwa Wawa: nobiology2424: Ok, just to make sure I got it right from the article.  The granddaughter made an offer, and the daughter gave a counter offer of 85,000 plus legal fees?  That seems to move past all the "he's not safe", "he abused her" theories and get back to the daughter just being in it for the money.  She seems happy to sell it back to him, just at nearly double the estimated value (likely because she knows they raised 130k and can afford it).

serial_crusher: the fact that she initially gave him a counter-offer makes me doubt it's anything like that.

James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything.

IANAL, but I'd imagine that there are laws against choosing to a specific person to whom to sell your house.  Specifically, there are things in the fair housing act that prohibit discrimination based on familial status.  Discrimination against the family members was not the intent of the act, but her denying to sell to him because he is who he is could very well be interpreted as in violation of the law.


I don't think there's any risk of that. I get the impression the house was never officially for sale/on the market. Unless the property is officially 'listed', I don't think any of those laws apply.
 
2013-06-20 04:01:54 PM

skozlaw: randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know...

No she doesn't. Why is it any of your farking business and why do you just assume that a 92 year old man you don't know is giving you an accurate accounting of the situation via third parties?

I swear to god sometimes I think Farkers are actually dumber than Youtubers....


The court found her guilty of illegally transferring the property.  The appeals court overturned the ruling based of the statute of limitations.  She's a shady biatch!
 
2013-06-20 04:01:54 PM
It is claimed in another article that the daughter is selling off parcels of hunting property (non-adjacent to that parcel on which the house is located) also deeded to her by her as POA. Further, it is claimed that she would accept $85,000, but not $65,000 to sell it back to her father (with a $45,000 appraisal in hand). If these claims are factual, it should not be difficult (even for the Farkers claiming childhood rape) to infer her true motivation in this scheme.
 
2013-06-20 04:02:03 PM
I guess the rules out the chance that he'll ever tap dat ass again.
 
2013-06-20 04:07:31 PM

WayneKerr: I don't know anything about this but I'm outraged.


I forgot why I was so outraged by this before, which infuriates me

/not sure I want to live to see 92
 
2013-06-20 04:11:10 PM

OtherLittleGuy: whither_apophis: King Lear, 2013 style

Reganomics?


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2013-06-20 04:11:42 PM

nobiology2424: Ok, just to make sure I got it right from the article.  The granddaughter made an offer, and the daughter gave a counter offer of 85,000 plus legal fees?  That seems to move past all the "he's not safe", "he abused her" theories and get back to the daughter just being in it for the money.  She seems happy to sell it back to him, just at nearly double the estimated value (likely because she knows they raised 130k and can afford it).


the main point is, he already owned the farking house !! why is he trying to buy it ?  Just have  the POA and the deed transfer invalidated as fraudulent.  Or use part of the 130+ thousand bucks to disappear this biatch in cement shoes in the mississippi.
 
2013-06-20 04:12:59 PM

Modified Wooden Paper Towel Holder: I guess the rules out the chance that he'll ever tap dat ass again.


Of his daughter?

Are you from West Virginia or something?
 
2013-06-20 04:13:18 PM

TV's Vinnie: There's got to be more to this story than what's been reported. Just what happened to this daughter to make her so filled with hate to evict her elderly father?


The elderly father has been keeping up a barrage of lawsuits to attempt to regain custody of his 63-year old autistic son, Joe, from the daughter & her husband. The daughter is using the house & eviction as leverage to try to make him stop.

Whether or not this is justifiable depends on the nature of the interaction between the grandfather and son. If the daughter feels that this relationship is inappropriate (i.e. the grandfather is incapable of taking care of the autistic son or something even worse may be taking place), then her actions might be justifiable. If it's just to maintain her meal ticket (she's paid by the state as his caretaker), then her actions might be considered unreasonable and "evil".

Unfortunately, there's not mush more information available than this so far.
 
2013-06-20 04:14:04 PM
TheBigJerk:
{Arthur Jumbles: Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.}

We don't know the whole story, maybe the father was an abuser and a rapist and this is the daughter's chance for revenge.

It would HAVE to be something like that for there to be any non-evil reason for her actions.

Or he's nearly non-functional helpless, gets all his food delivered, is constantly demanding help from the family that doesn't live there but refuses to move in with them or move to an assisted-living center, and this is the only way for her to force him to do so.


I'm in my 60's. I live with and am the primary care tender for my 85 year old, disabled mother. I have three siblings who are quite happy to dump the load on me. After my father died decades ago, my Mom cracked up and the family had problems understanding this. I later worked in psychiatry, understood what had happened and attempted to explain it to the family time and time again.

Basically they understood but chose not to accept what had happened. The simple term for this is blocking.

It's hard on a child when a parent falls from grace and turns out to be human after all.

The solution, for them, concerning my mom, is to dump her in a nursing home. She used to work in one as a nursing assistant and the idea of being confined to such a place terrifies her. She built her home with my dad, raised her kids there, is familiar with every nail and crack, knows where she planted long gone flowers years ago and recalls when around her was nothing but wild woods.

She has slept in her and my father's bedroom for decades. She can recount the many parties and holidays that the house hosted over the years and the good and bad times us kids had growing up. Weddings were planned there. Grandchildren played there. Less than expert repairs still hold, done by us boys after Dad died.

The house fits her like an old, comfortable shoe. Decades of beloved pets are buried in the back yard.

When I had to start taking care of her, I decided that she would never go into a nursing home. Later observations and discussions with my siblings made me get a durable power of attorney and I was added to the deed of the house.

As she has grown older, she has gotten sicker. I'm on duty 24/7. We have a medical aid come in 3 times a week. She has been on a food service -- but gave it up because the stuff tasted like crap. I do the cooking -- and she taught me how to cook when I was a kid. She uses a scooter to get around, but needs help getting in and out of it. Her mind is going and she knows it. Most of her friends have died. She went from seeing a physician once a year to seeing a couple monthly.

My control of her resources was implemented to make sure she can not be forced into a nursing home. So, I can understand if the old guy doesn't want to leave his home.

Before most of your times, kids used to take care of their elderly folks. Often, they would rotate through, giving each other a break. They didn't jam maw and paw into a nursing home to slowly rot away. Sometimes the parent would move in with a sibling for a year, then another sibling would take them. Sometimes siblings would move into the parents home for several weeks to care for them, to be replaced by another sibling later. If finances were tight, all of the siblings chipped in and provided assistance.

The dispute between the old guy and his daughter started over care and visitation of his special needs son, whom the daughter has guardianship of. He gave it to her when he felt he was getting too old. From what I understand, she promptly moved the boy out of the house and started restricting the old man's visitation.

She gets any federal or state funds provided for his care.

When the old guy started arguing with her over visitation, she used her previously granted POA to punish him by taking his house away. His other daughter stood up to protect him. The old man has the right to die in his own home that he built with his own hands. He has earned the right to not be warehoused. He survived WW2. He raised his children to adulthood. (The one daughter doesn't look like she's missed many meals in her time.) The love of his life, his wife, died. He took care of his special needs child. In his 90's, he hasn't got that long left. Stressing him out by threatening to take everything he built away is shortening his life even more. His chance of a stroke, IMO, has risen dramatically since the pressure of the fight will raise his blood pressure and his arteries are old.

The fight could wind up reducing him to a paralyzed, drooling old man, whose face droops along one side and he can't talk. If he's lucky, if that happens, his mind will go. If not, then he'll be alert and quite aware that he is a prisoner in a body that no longer functions.

Chances are high that his stubborn daughter could actually be the cause of his death.

The doubling of the price of the house is simple greed. However, this squabble is affecting his health. The 'good' daughter might want to pay the money and stop the fight.

Later, out of view of the old man, she can hire a lawyer and start filing nuisance lawsuits against the other daughter designed to mainly drain her resources.

That happens all the time. She'll have money left over from the donations to do it with.
 
2013-06-20 04:14:22 PM

skozlaw: randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know...

No she doesn't. Why is it any of your farking business and why do you just assume that a 92 year old man you don't know is giving you an accurate accounting of the situation via third parties?

I swear to god sometimes I think Farkers are actually dumber than Youtubers....


If hes unable to care for self or some such You'd think shed goto media to tell her side and not look like the most evil woman since Eva Braun.
 
2013-06-20 04:16:50 PM

slayer199: randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguish.

But until she speaks up, I am going to just assume she is a miserable heartless soul-sucking coont who makes the world a worse place to live in.

Pretty much this.


If this was the case, I am sure the daughter would have told the grand daughter, and she would not be fighting so hard for the man. Simple greed is a more likely scenario. The transfer occurred when Mr. Potters wife was still around. It is not uncommon for older folks to transfer their assets to their children because long term care will use up those assets before any govt assistance is available. Its basically a way to get the gov to pay for the nursing home and the children can retain the parent's assets. The daughter has gotten sick of waiting for him to pass away.
 
2013-06-20 04:20:53 PM

airsupport: Modified Wooden Paper Towel Holder: I guess the rules out the chance that he'll ever tap dat ass again.

Of his daughter?

Are you from West Virginia or something?


It was WW2. Times were different. Boy my grandmother has some crazy stories. Yes, she's from West Virginia.
 
2013-06-20 04:21:03 PM
Having been witness to the shiat women pull in divorces, this doesn't surprise me at all.
 
2013-06-20 04:21:19 PM

Oldiron_79: If hes unable to care for self or some such You'd think shed goto media to tell her side and not look like the most evil woman since Eva Braun.


Which brings me back to:

Why is it any of your damn business? I wouldn't go to the media to placate you if I were in that situation. If I were in that situation you could go fark yourself for all I care, I'm not going to waste my precious time "telling my side" just because you're impressionable enough that you'll leap across the entire conclusions mat as long as somebody throws the word "veteran" in there somewhere.

When you want to put somebody in assisted living, you have to pay for that. If the person has no liquid assets, you have to liquidate their property. You have to burn through all their assets before Medicare will help.

It is entirely plausible that she is liquidating the property to pay for care.

But, no, let's just assume she's a raging biatch because why the fark not, right?
 
2013-06-20 04:22:01 PM
I can see this as an ultimate "FARK YOU!" for years of abuse ot possibly an attempt to force him into a place to get care.

But damn, if this just doesn't feel like she's being an evil coont.
 
2013-06-20 04:26:06 PM

Shazam999: SirEattonHogg: shazam999:
Yeah pretty much.  I wouldn't mind living in a place like that though other than the whiteys might kill my ass.


Doesn't bother my folks and we aint whitey-ish.  We're orientals.

Can I say that?

Where are you?  I'm always wary of the "south" because holy fark American racists really like to espouse their racism.


I'm from rural Georgia, and while I know plenty of people that say a lot of racist things, I don't think any of them are actually racist, it's more of a joke in poor taste or a strange kind of being ironic. I have been known to associate with some severe rednecks, but in all honesty, none of them cares anything about skin color, especially when working or drinking...

/it's not so bad
//come have a beer
 
2013-06-20 04:27:00 PM

skozlaw: Oldiron_79: If hes unable to care for self or some such You'd think shed goto media to tell her side and not look like the most evil woman since Eva Braun.

Which brings me back to:

Why is it any of your damn business? I wouldn't go to the media to placate you if I were in that situation. If I were in that situation you could go fark yourself for all I care, I'm not going to waste my precious time "telling my side" just because you're impressionable enough that you'll leap across the entire conclusions mat as long as somebody throws the word "veteran" in there somewhere.

When you want to put somebody in assisted living, you have to pay for that. If the person has no liquid assets, you have to liquidate their property. You have to burn through all their assets before Medicare will help.

It is entirely plausible that she is liquidating the property to pay for care.

But, no, let's just assume she's a raging biatch because why the fark not, right?


She transferred the assets to her name, 9 years ago. Medicare only looks back 3-5 years.
 
2013-06-20 04:27:46 PM
Dudes 92, I bet shes kicking him out and right into a nursing home. And the only way she can do that is force him out. Its the only thing that makes sense other than the "he abused her, she hates him" theory.
 
2013-06-20 04:29:23 PM

skozlaw: randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know...

No she doesn't. Why is it any of your farking business and why do you just assume that a 92 year old man you don't know is giving you an accurate accounting of the situation via third parties?

I swear to god sometimes I think Farkers are actually dumber than Youtubers....


This! The only reason the story became public in the first place was to raise money. She doesn't have to say anything. However, she (well, her husband) actually did:

"His daughter and son-in-law say the dispute is over visitation rights for Potter's other child who as Autism.
"For him to stay in that home it is real simple leave Joe alone and stop the lawsuits," said the son-in-law, Dean Cottrill.  - http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/297517/45/Elderly-WW-II-veteran-face s -eviction-due-to-family-feud

Joe is the autistic son.
 
2013-06-20 04:30:53 PM

brap: She will wake up tomorrow...universally loathed


I read the article 10 seconds ago, and I couldn't tell you her name. I best most people that read it couldn't. And most people won't even read the article.

So, I wouldn't be losing any sleep over being universally loathed if I was in her shoes.
 
2013-06-20 04:31:18 PM

skozlaw: It is entirely plausible that she is liquidating the property to pay for care.


LOL!  There is nothing that makes that sound even remotely plausible.
 
2013-06-20 04:32:04 PM
to add another half remember fact check to the list...

wasnt the big crux of all this that Daughter in question became the primary caregiver to her disabled brother after the Father was no longer able, and when she went to the family for help they basically said "He is your problem now" and tried to shut the both of them out..

but anyways, having seen simular family feuds in the past i am believing the "True" story is both partys are stubborn as fark and where unwilling to back down once the ball is rolling. But i will say no 92 year old man should be living alone in a house no matter who built it
 
2013-06-20 04:32:23 PM
There is no such thing as karma.

No Heaven.  No Hell.  Good people live lives of hardship and die in pain, while bad people live lives of comfort and joy, and die warm, content, comfortable and regretting nothing.

How you learn to live with this is up to you.
 
2013-06-20 04:33:04 PM

pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.


Everyone wants to live in the Paradise That Is Baltimore. No one lives here in Ohio by choice. Supply and demand.
http://crimebaltimore.com/
 
2013-06-20 04:35:15 PM

JWideman: skozlaw: randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know...

No she doesn't. Why is it any of your farking business and why do you just assume that a 92 year old man you don't know is giving you an accurate accounting of the situation via third parties?

I swear to god sometimes I think Farkers are actually dumber than Youtubers....

This! The only reason the story became public in the first place was to raise money. She doesn't have to say anything. However, she (well, her husband) actually did:

"His daughter and son-in-law say the dispute is over visitation rights for Potter's other child who as Autism.
"For him to stay in that home it is real simple leave Joe alone and stop the lawsuits," said the son-in-law, Dean Cottrill.  - http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/297517/45/Elderly-WW-II-veteran-face s -eviction-due-to-family-feud

Joe is the autistic son.


The couple illegally used their POA to transfer the property.  Fark them!
 
2013-06-20 04:35:55 PM

redTiburon: pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

Everyone wants to live in the Paradise That Is Baltimore. No one lives here in Ohio by choice. Supply and demand.
http://crimebaltimore.com/


its all about the COL in different areas. Here on the Mississippi coast, i could take 30k today and buy a ~nice 2 bedroom house or have most of a Condo paid off if i want
 
2013-06-20 04:37:25 PM
I understand that the statute of limitations is out on the transfer, but can the daughter be charged with simple fraud?
 
2013-06-20 04:39:44 PM
Somebody is going to burn it to the ground with her in it, just watch.
 
2013-06-20 04:42:40 PM

TortureSteak: Shazam999: SirEattonHogg: shazam999:
Yeah pretty much.  I wouldn't mind living in a place like that though other than the whiteys might kill my ass.


Doesn't bother my folks and we aint whitey-ish.  We're orientals.

Can I say that?

Where are you?  I'm always wary of the "south" because holy fark American racists really like to espouse their racism.

I'm from rural Georgia, and while I know plenty of people that say a lot of racist things, I don't think any of them are actually racist, it's more of a joke in poor taste or a strange kind of being ironic. I have been known to associate with some severe rednecks, but in all honesty, none of them cares anything about skin color, especially when working or drinking...

/it's not so bad
//come have a beer


Well, I suppose the people that come up to me and say ho much they hate chinks are, in fact, racists, but hey maybe it is irony.
 
2013-06-20 04:43:48 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: At least the granddaughter seems like a pretty awesome person.  sigh.

brap: She thinks she's "won."

She will wake up tomorrow not only universally loathed as the symbol of greed but worse yet, she will wake up with a house in Ohio.
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Because in Ohio, they will kidnap you and chain you in the basement to keep you there.
 
2013-06-20 04:45:00 PM
Was she staying inside of him with her cell phone and poking cruel jokes while he was trying to do serious work.
 
2013-06-20 04:45:40 PM
My folks had a neighbor they were kind and nice too but her children were vultures circling her house. She wanted to write my folks into her will and give them everything but these kids probably would have launched a massive lawsuit.
 
2013-06-20 04:46:00 PM
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2013-06-20 04:47:26 PM
I'm not a math wizard or anything, but I think 85k is less than 139k.
Why was the counter-offer rejected? You received donations from strangers specifically to buy that house and you turned down the chance to buy it.
It's a terrible story, but that part of it is sticking out to me. If I had donated towards that goal, I'd be a little annoyed.
 
2013-06-20 04:47:59 PM

Arthur Jumbles: Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.

We don't know the whole story, maybe the father was an abuser and a rapist and this is the daughter's chance for revenge.


Oh, for fark sake, you've got to be kidding me.
 
2013-06-20 04:48:23 PM

leonel: My folks had a neighbor they were kind and nice too but her children were vultures circling her house. She wanted to write my folks into her will and give them everything but these kids probably would have launched a massive lawsuit.


when not inside of a family, your only geting a fraction of the whole story
 
2013-06-20 04:54:27 PM

randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguist.

But until she speaks up, I am going to just assume she is a miserable heartless soul-sucking coont who makes the world a worse place to live in.


I think you have that mixed up.  Because...for all we know, she's a miserable little coont that scammed her father out of his house that he built with his own hands.  Until proven otherwise, that's the facts we're dealing with her.  Folks need to stop speculating on why HE MAY HAVE DESERVED THIS.  Otherwise known as "victim blaming."
 
2013-06-20 04:55:35 PM
In case anyone was wondering:

https://www.facebook.com/janice.cottrill.7/about

out of use for some time, apparently
 
2013-06-20 04:56:44 PM
Scam.

2nd warning.
 
2013-06-20 04:57:01 PM

ramblinwreck: randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguist.

But until she speaks up, I am going to just assume she is a miserable heartless soul-sucking coont who makes the world a worse place to live in.

I think you have that mixed up.  Because...for all we know, she's a miserable little coont that scammed her father out of his house that he built with his own hands.  Until proven otherwise, that's the facts we're dealing with her.  Folks need to stop speculating on why HE MAY HAVE DESERVED THIS.  Otherwise known as "victim blaming."


by your logic there is no point to even comment on this

this is the internet, we debate and live on what ifs
 
2013-06-20 04:59:41 PM
How in the hell did the "house he built with his own hands" wind up in someone else's name?

She raised $130k for this and didn't just over pay?

He's 92, send him to someplace in Costa Rica with that $130k.
 
2013-06-20 05:09:03 PM

RINO: I understand that the statute of limitations is out on the transfer, but can the daughter be charged with simple fraud?


I don't think there is anything stopping him from filing a civil suit against her. Well, other than having to pay an attorney.
 
2013-06-20 05:11:05 PM

ramblinwreck: randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguist.

But until she speaks up, I am going to just assume she is a miserable heartless soul-sucking coont who makes the world a worse place to live in.

I think you have that mixed up.  Because...for all we know, she's a miserable little coont that scammed her father out of his house that he built with his own hands.  Until proven otherwise, that's the facts we're dealing with her.  Folks need to stop speculating on why HE MAY HAVE DESERVED THIS.  Otherwise known as "victim blaming."



Your reading comprehension needs a lot of work.  UNTIL she speaks up I assume she's at fault and a horrible person. If she speaks up and has a legitimate excuse, that'll perhaps put things in a different perspective.
 
2013-06-20 05:11:22 PM

wildcardjack: How in the hell did the "house he built with his own hands" wind up in someone else's name?

She raised $130k for this and didn't just over pay?

He's 92, send him to someplace in Costa Rica with that $130k.


The daughter illegally used her POA to transfer the title.  Court ruled against her.  Appeals court ruled in her favor based on statute of limitations.

Someone quite literally steals your home right out from under you and you want to pay them up to 400% of its actual value to get it back?  Well, you go right ahead, pal!
 
2013-06-20 05:12:54 PM

dahuka: In case anyone was wondering:

https://www.facebook.com/janice.cottrill.7/about

out of use for some time, apparently


Out of use but it does say that she got married on 8/1/2010 ... coincidentally, past articles about this story have noted that it was late 2010 when the daughter began trying to get her father moved into a nursing home.
 
2013-06-20 05:12:59 PM
There is always more to these stories.  He didn't actually build the house but won it on a crooked 50s game show.
 
2013-06-20 05:13:01 PM

TortureSteak: I don't think any of them are actually racist, it's more of a joke in poor taste or a strange kind of being ironic


There are degrees of racism, and not every racist is a hood-wearing member of the KKK determined to start a race war.
 
2013-06-20 05:14:25 PM

Mimic_Octopus: nobiology2424: Ok, just to make sure I got it right from the article.  The granddaughter made an offer, and the daughter gave a counter offer of 85,000 plus legal fees?  That seems to move past all the "he's not safe", "he abused her" theories and get back to the daughter just being in it for the money.  She seems happy to sell it back to him, just at nearly double the estimated value (likely because she knows they raised 130k and can afford it).

the main point is, he already owned the farking house !! why is he trying to buy it ?  Just have  the POA and the deed transfer invalidated as fraudulent.  Or use part of the 130+ thousand bucks to disappear this biatch in cement shoes in the mississippi.


They tried to have it invalidated, but it's past the statute of limitations.  She transferred the deed back in like 2004 and hid the transfer until the statute of limitations past and then filed for eviction.

   / Which makes me think there should be laws surrounding power of attorney that say the person with PoA can't transfer any property if the person they have PoA for is still able to make decisions of this nature.
 
2013-06-20 05:15:51 PM

domine: dahuka: In case anyone was wondering:

https://www.facebook.com/janice.cottrill.7/about

out of use for some time, apparently

Out of use but it does say that she got married on 8/1/2010 ... coincidentally, past articles about this story have noted that it was late 2010 when the daughter began trying to get her father moved into a nursing home.


Hmmm.
Maybe a clash between new husband/autistic brother and the father wanted them to drive the brother to see him constantly but the daughter didn't want too because the brother was very hostile and the father said bring him anyways and that's when the fight started?
 
2013-06-20 05:18:21 PM

vrax: JWideman: skozlaw: randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know...

No she doesn't. Why is it any of your farking business and why do you just assume that a 92 year old man you don't know is giving you an accurate accounting of the situation via third parties?

I swear to god sometimes I think Farkers are actually dumber than Youtubers....

This! The only reason the story became public in the first place was to raise money. She doesn't have to say anything. However, she (well, her husband) actually did:

"His daughter and son-in-law say the dispute is over visitation rights for Potter's other child who as Autism.
"For him to stay in that home it is real simple leave Joe alone and stop the lawsuits," said the son-in-law, Dean Cottrill.  - http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/297517/45/Elderly-WW-II-veteran-face s -eviction-due-to-family-feud

Joe is the autistic son.

The couple illegally used their POA to transfer the property.  Fark them!


Sometimes what is right isn't what is legal, and vise versa. We don't know why there is a custody battle in the first place and likely never will.
 
2013-06-20 05:19:58 PM
I found this version of the article helpful:

http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1332235
 
2013-06-20 05:21:12 PM
Being a war vet doesn't make you a perfect person. Sounds like his daughter just hates his guts.
 
2013-06-20 05:22:10 PM

Shazam999: TortureSteak: Shazam999: SirEattonHogg: shazam999:
Yeah pretty much.  I wouldn't mind living in a place like that though other than the whiteys might kill my ass.


Doesn't bother my folks and we aint whitey-ish.  We're orientals.

Can I say that?

Where are you?  I'm always wary of the "south" because holy fark American racists really like to espouse their racism.

I'm from rural Georgia, and while I know plenty of people that say a lot of racist things, I don't think any of them are actually racist, it's more of a joke in poor taste or a strange kind of being ironic. I have been known to associate with some severe rednecks, but in all honesty, none of them cares anything about skin color, especially when working or drinking...

/it's not so bad
//come have a beer

Well, I suppose the people that come up to me and say ho much they hate chinks are, in fact, racists, but hey maybe it is irony.


Yikes, that sucks, are you in the south? Well, yeah...no, the kind of person that will go out of their way to tell someone that they hate them because of their race is probably not being ironic.  However, those people are the minority, they are getting fewer with every generation, and they are generally socially disdained, even among other rednecks.  It's really satisfying when you hear a thick, southern drawl say "get that racist asshole outta here"  There was a Chinese exchange student at my high school, and I remember him going absolutely nuts over the whole confederate culture thing--seriously, this kid had more confederate flag t-shirts, coffee mugs, key chains, and stickers than any white guy I've ever met, and he was always wanting to practice his southern accent with people....
 
2013-06-20 05:34:00 PM

CheatCommando: TortureSteak: I don't think any of them are actually racist, it's more of a joke in poor taste or a strange kind of being ironic

There are degrees of racism, and not every racist is a hood-wearing member of the KKK determined to start a race war.


That is very true.  I think what I may have meant was that though these guys may say some pretty ignorant and pig-headed things, they aren't really out to hurt anyone.  None of the rednecks that I have ever known (which is a ton) would ever have any problem getting a beer or working alongside another person simply because of their skin color--also, weed, everybody loves weed, I have seen more people set aside their differences over a good toke than anything else.  In reality, I have known people that had simply never even met another person of a different race and then when they sat down over a drink and a bowl and had a chat they pretty much just said "well, I'll be" to each other and became friends.  Yeah, people still say dumb things down here, but at least we're not really killing each other over it so much anymore...
 
2013-06-20 05:35:06 PM
The good news is, the family now has the house AND $130K+ in sympathy money. Maybe this will ease the tension between generations. Not a bad haul if you ask me.
 
2013-06-20 05:39:26 PM
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2013-06-20 05:46:56 PM

James!: serial_crusher: I would be interested in hearing the daughter's side of the story.  Only possible reason I could think of to do something like that is to pressure the old guy to move into the old folks home you think he needs to be in, but the fact that she initially gave him a counter-offer makes me doubt it's anything like that.

She's probably got a deal with some crooked land developer who's trying to turn the whole block into upscale condos and this guy is the last hold out.  Might have to call the A-Team on this one.

James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything. This whole thing was dumb from the start

It's not so much that she refused to sell it as it is that she apparently obtained the property as a result of him giving her power of attorney for whatever reason.

That's pretty common though.


Even if it is "pretty common" that doesn't make it acceptable.
 
2013-06-20 05:47:17 PM

JWideman: Sometimes what is right isn't what is legal, and vise versa.


I think we've pretty well determined that theft of property is neither right nor legal.
 
2013-06-20 05:49:43 PM
Actually, this sort of thing happens a lot. The person that ends up getting power of attorney is usually money hungry. Most of the time they toss the person in a nursing home or move them into their own home before they pull this shiat.
 
2013-06-20 05:55:12 PM
No problem. Take that money and go buy a bunch of balloons and go off on a crazy adventure!
 
2013-06-20 05:55:15 PM
The house was valued at $47K????  Seriously???  A whole HOUSE????

*furious Googling*

Okay, here's the house in question.  Seems okay.  Nothing special, but a nice smaller home.
img.fark.net

Only $47,000?  Holy crap.  That's amazing.  I don't exactly live in a mansion, but I could still sell my house and buy TEN of his!
Something tells me I bought in the WRONG market.  Even the average price here for a single-family home is over $440,000.00.  I feel very hosed, right now.

/Good luck, old timer.  You deserve better.
 
2013-06-20 05:57:57 PM
Butch McBiatchipants
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2013-06-20 05:59:10 PM

TortureSteak: Shazam999: TortureSteak: Shazam999: SirEattonHogg: shazam999:
Yeah pretty much.  I wouldn't mind living in a place like that though other than the whiteys might kill my ass.


Doesn't bother my folks and we aint whitey-ish.  We're orientals.

Can I say that?

Where are you?  I'm always wary of the "south" because holy fark American racists really like to espouse their racism.

I'm from rural Georgia, and while I know plenty of people that say a lot of racist things, I don't think any of them are actually racist, it's more of a joke in poor taste or a strange kind of being ironic. I have been known to associate with some severe rednecks, but in all honesty, none of them cares anything about skin color, especially when working or drinking...

/it's not so bad
//come have a beer

Well, I suppose the people that come up to me and say ho much they hate chinks are, in fact, racists, but hey maybe it is irony.

Yikes, that sucks, are you in the south? Well, yeah...no, the kind of person that will go out of their way to tell someone that they hate them because of their race is probably not being ironic.  However, those people are the minority, they are getting fewer with every generation, and they are generally socially disdained, even among other rednecks.  It's really satisfying when you hear a thick, southern drawl say "get that racist asshole outta here"  There was a Chinese exchange student at my high school, and I remember him going absolutely nuts over the whole confederate culture thing--seriously, this kid had more confederate flag t-shirts, coffee mugs, key chains, and stickers than any white guy I've ever met, and he was always wanting to practice his southern accent with people....


Nah, that was in California of all places.  And of course where I am too.

Looks like Georgia is getting a large Korean populace.  God damn I need to live somewhere warmer and cheaper...
 
2013-06-20 06:00:31 PM

Highroller48: The house was valued at $47K????  Seriously???  A whole HOUSE????

*furious Googling*

Okay, here's the house in question.  Seems okay.  Nothing special, but a nice smaller home.
[img.fark.net image 635x476]

Only $47,000?  Holy crap.  That's amazing.  I don't exactly live in a mansion, but I could still sell my house and buy TEN of his!
Something tells me I bought in the WRONG market.  Even the average price here for a single-family home is over $440,000.00.  I feel very hosed, right now.

/Good luck, old timer.  You deserve better.


Hello, fellow Calgarian!

Yes, that's exactly how I feel.  fark, I'd sell my house for $525K, move to Georgia, buy a place for $100K and sling coffee at a Starbucks.  And be perfectly happy.
 
2013-06-20 06:01:13 PM

Narnboy: pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

And (just playing devil's advocate here) what is the appraised value of the condo versus the cost of the condo?

/Not up on ANY real estate policies and procedures, let alone how they set the cost for specific property types.
//Going with the 'not enough data' excuse


They don't "set" the appraised value.  The appraisal takes similar properties that have sold recently in the same market and adjusts for any differences they have from the property being appraised to extrapolate what the property should sell for on the open market.

////You may be thinking of the assessed value of the home, which is set by the local taxing authorities (usually a county appraisal district).
//Also there are such cheap homes in just about every state, it's just that in most places such homes are in disrepair and/or you are likely to be shot in your front lawn or the property is in BFE too far from civilization to be desirable to most people.
 
2013-06-20 06:02:11 PM

Highroller48: Only $47,000? Holy crap. That's amazing. I don't exactly live in a mansion, but I could still sell my house and buy TEN of his!
Something tells me I bought in the WRONG market. Even the average price here for a single-family home is over $440,000.00. I feel very hosed, right now.


My fiance's sister bought a house for $75,000. Upstairs is has 2 bathrooms,2 bedrooms,huge kitchen and living room. Downstairs may as well be another house considering there's another bathroom,2 more bedrooms,a full farking kitchen,a room for the pool table and 2 car garage.
 
2013-06-20 06:08:35 PM

Frankentots: Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't there usually clauses in Powers of Attorney that dictate that transfers and decisions are to be made in the best interest of the Assignee?  The legality of this business seems a little shady.


A previous article said that he could have gotten the house back with this argument, except that by the time he realized what had happened, the statue of limitations had expired on the transaction.

It's all apparently strong-arming over the custody of a mentally retarded brother.
 
2013-06-20 06:09:42 PM

Highroller48: The house was valued at $47K????  Seriously???  A whole HOUSE????

*furious Googling*

Okay, here's the house in question.  Seems okay.  Nothing special, but a nice smaller home.
[img.fark.net image 635x476]

Only $47,000?  Holy crap.  That's amazing.  I don't exactly live in a mansion, but I could still sell my house and buy TEN of his!
Something tells me I bought in the WRONG market.  Even the average price here for a single-family home is over $440,000.00.  I feel very hosed, right now.

/Good luck, old timer.  You deserve better.


You wanna talk getting hosed? We bought our house for $225k back in '06. As of last year's property tax roll, it is worth
approximately $78k. We're so deep underwater, if we come up too fast, we'll get the bends.
 
2013-06-20 06:09:59 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: the statute of limitations


FTFM

And I hate when people do that.
 
2013-06-20 06:10:56 PM

Highroller48: The house was valued at $47K????  Seriously???  A whole HOUSE????

*furious Googling*

Okay, here's the house in question.  Seems okay.  Nothing special, but a nice smaller home.
[img.fark.net image 635x476]

Only $47,000?  Holy crap.  That's amazing.  I don't exactly live in a mansion, but I could still sell my house and buy TEN of his!
Something tells me I bought in the WRONG market.  Even the average price here for a single-family home is over $440,000.00.  I feel very hosed, right now.

/Good luck, old timer.  You deserve better.


I'm in exactly the same boat as you, and I live in a small town a bit in the boonies so that I could get more house for my money. There are people in CA and NY who I'm sure could sell modest homes and buy 20 of this guys house. It really is amazing how much location is valued by the market.
 
2013-06-20 06:13:33 PM

Highroller48: The house was valued at $47K????  Seriously???  A whole HOUSE????

*furious Googling*

Okay, here's the house in question.  Seems okay.  Nothing special, but a nice smaller home.
[img.fark.net image 635x476]

Only $47,000?  Holy crap.  That's amazing.  I don't exactly live in a mansion, but I could still sell my house and buy TEN of his!
Something tells me I bought in the WRONG market.  Even the average price here for a single-family home is over $440,000.00.  I feel very hosed, right now.

/Good luck, old timer.  You deserve better.


Until I looked at your profile I thought you were in Seattle. We're looking for a house right now and the market is crazy. $47K wouldn't be an acceptable down payment out here, God help us.
 
2013-06-20 06:15:58 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Skirl Hutsenreiter: the statute of limitations

FTFM

And I hate when people do that.


Lol...

Several years ago, I was doing web development work for this guy who seriously cheated me on payment. When
he found out I was going online and griping about it w/ another designer who had also been cheated (not to
mention sexually propositioned by the guy), he had his 'lawyer' e-mail me a Cease to Exist notice.

Yes, you read that right. Cease to Exist. Via e-mail. And I was supposed to believe it was legit and  get scared off.
So when I emailed him back and told him (between fits of laughter) that I was not just going to up anddie and then
asked for thebar number of his genius of a 'lawyer', he got all pissy. It's the first time I've ever seensomeone
have an apoplecticfit over email, but he did.
 
2013-06-20 06:20:39 PM
Torch the place old man, the worse that will happen is you have a sure bet of a place to stay and food for the rest of your life.
 
2013-06-20 06:23:25 PM

Magnus: Having witnessed similar family drama (not in my family, thank God, but in a friend's), THIS. We have no idea what's going on here, especially as there was apparently some attendant drama involving the care of an autistic son.


My family is insanely private, to the point of it almost being a mental illness. My great aunt when she went into a senior living apartments used to quiz us for five minutes when we'd visit. You didn't talk to anyone, you didn't tell them ANYTHING right? My mom is this way too. We have relatives who've hit over 100, but the family won't ever let any announcement be made. You'd think they were in witness protection. They're not, it's just a weird quirk.

However when my grandfather had dementia and we had to go through all the stuff that people do, had something like THIS happened, my insanely private family would've at least made one simple statement. Probably no more than that. They might've even had a priest make it. But...even they wouldn't remain silent.

Doesn't equal guilt, but in this instance with all the facts we do know, it seems quite damning. Especially a willingness to resell his property for 2x the value plus fees.

Sometimes there's just a rotten egg in the family.
 
2013-06-20 06:28:33 PM

digitalrain: Highroller48: The house was valued at $47K????  Seriously???  A whole HOUSE????

*furious Googling*

Okay, here's the house in question.  Seems okay.  Nothing special, but a nice smaller home.
[img.fark.net image 635x476]

Only $47,000?  Holy crap.  That's amazing.  I don't exactly live in a mansion, but I could still sell my house and buy TEN of his!
Something tells me I bought in the WRONG market.  Even the average price here for a single-family home is over $440,000.00.  I feel very hosed, right now.

/Good luck, old timer.  You deserve better.

You wanna talk getting hosed? We bought our house for $225k back in '06. As of last year's property tax roll, it is worth
approximately $78k. We're so deep underwater, if we come up too fast, we'll get the bends.


That sucks. I think that would make me very anxious. :( But hey, at least your property tax is lower now.
 
2013-06-20 06:32:03 PM

Lady Indica: However when my grandfather had dementia and we had to go through all the stuff that people do, had something like THIS happened, my insanely private family would've at least made one simple statement. Probably no more than that. They might've even had a priest make it. But...even they wouldn't remain silent.


Imagine that you have a relative that needs assisted living.  You consult a lawyer, and he says that "well, since you own the house, you could just evict him.  But you can't expose any ulterior motive in doing so, because you will be in violation of housing laws."

That is entirely plausible.
 
2013-06-20 06:33:49 PM

Fancourt: TV's Vinnie: There's got to be more to this story than what's been reported. Just what happened to this daughter to make her so filled with hate to evict her elderly father?

The elderly father has been keeping up a barrage of lawsuits to attempt to regain custody of his 63-year old autistic son, Joe, from the daughter & her husband. The daughter is using the house & eviction as leverage to try to make him stop.

Whether or not this is justifiable depends on the nature of the interaction between the grandfather and son. If the daughter feels that this relationship is inappropriate (i.e. the grandfather is incapable of taking care of the autistic son or something even worse may be taking place), then her actions might be justifiable. If it's just to maintain her meal ticket (she's paid by the state as his caretaker), then her actions might be considered unreasonable and "evil".

Unfortunately, there's not mush more information available than this so far.


She said in an earlier article that she'd let him stay in the house if he would just agree to stop the lawsuits.

I'm a little puzzled by the appeals court ruling that the statute of limitation has run out. The clock can start ticking

Earliest: The date of harm.

Later: The date on which the plaintiff reasonably should have discovered the harm. This refers to the date when a judge considers it fair to say that the plaintiff should have known about the harm, even if the plaintiff didn't actually know about it.

Latest: The date on which the plaintiff actually discovered the harm.
 
2013-06-20 06:40:47 PM
If she has the power to basically seize all of his stuff, she probably has enough pull to get this man put into assisted living without putting him through this.
 
2013-06-20 06:50:24 PM
My babysitter: her husband died and his will locked the farm in trust. She could rent out the fields for crops, but she had no ability to sell - iirc she got a small fixed income from trust investments but had to file paperwork to ask for money to fix up the barn and other external buildings. In many respects she was trapped on the farm but she made it work. She lived alone for decades. Some of my earliest memories are priming the pump in the front yard to bring in water - her wood burning stove had a tank to keep water hot. (This was the 60's and 70's btw).

Near the end of my high school, her son came over one night and told her he wasn't comfortable with her living alone anymore. She hadn't fallen, her health hadn't changed, but he'd 'decided'; he was taking her to the assisted living facility (old folk's home back then). She asked to spend one last night at home so she could 'pack a bag' and sort through her things, so he left.

Apparently she immediately walked into the bathroom and hung herself - he found her the next morning.

He moved his wife and kids into the house a few weeks later.

/Never underestimate the utter lack of shame of some people...
 
2013-06-20 07:01:57 PM

exick: I recall this story hitting Fark a while ago (or perhaps it was somewhere else) and there definitely feels like there's more to it than meets the eye.


dementia and all the goodies that go with it.Nothing lijke putting some water on for tea then taking a nice long nap.A daughter not able to live with dad and not being able to afford a sit-in for him (or finding on who is trustworthy) and a grand daughter who just doesnt understand the reality of the situation are possible reasons.Still,its just easier to call the daughter a biatch and be done with it.
 Theres no getting around the fact that she could have walked away with 80k plus on a house worth less than half that and she didnt , that fact alone suggests she may be no biatch at all
 
2013-06-20 07:13:17 PM
Well then there is this:
"Another reason Potter and his attorney believe Cottrill would sell the home is she began selling parcels - about 14 acres in total -- from a hunting property Potter had owned a few miles away from his home last year.  "

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/91-year-ohio-man-evicted-home-daughte r/ story?id=19134306#.UcONedj3PMy

Read the whole article
 
2013-06-20 07:17:09 PM

domine: She transferred the assets to her name, 9 years ago


So? If it's all about money why didn't she sell it then?

JWideman: "For him to stay in that home it is real simple leave Joe alone and stop the lawsuits," said the son-in-law, Dean Cottrill. - http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/297517/45/Elderly-WW-II-veteran-face s -eviction-due-to-family-feud


That article is atrocious. Where does any of that info come from? The only thing they cite is the random one-liner from the son in law and the link to the granddaughter's side of the story that's already been covered.

Crappin' local news sites o_0
 
2013-06-20 07:20:50 PM

Corn_Fed: If the daughter had a reasonable "side of the story," she would have publicly expressed it by now, given all the publicity.

The fact that she hasn't, suggests to me that she is motivated by something that wouldn't be highly approved of.


Or she doesn't care to share her family's business in the media unlike other family members.

I'm having a problem worrying about this given that at least two court procedures have been held about it.
 
2013-06-20 07:33:41 PM

Shazam999: Highroller48: The house was valued at $47K????  Seriously???  A whole HOUSE????

*furious Googling*

Okay, here's the house in question.  Seems okay.  Nothing special, but a nice smaller home.
[img.fark.net image 635x476]

Only $47,000?  Holy crap.  That's amazing.  I don't exactly live in a mansion, but I could still sell my house and buy TEN of his!
Something tells me I bought in the WRONG market.  Even the average price here for a single-family home is over $440,000.00.  I feel very hosed, right now.

/Good luck, old timer.  You deserve better.

Hello, fellow Calgarian!

Yes, that's exactly how I feel.  fark, I'd sell my house for $525K, move to Georgia, buy a place for $100K and sling coffee at a Starbucks.  And be perfectly happy.


/also live in Calgary.

Rent a small suite. $550, all inclusive. Fairly happy, except storage space sucks, and can't flush toilet paper in the toilet(use a wastebasket so the sewer doesn't clog more than once every 2 years). I have money in my mom's house too, but I hope she'll just sell that for the lot(The house needs big time fixer uppering)
 
2013-06-20 07:46:44 PM

Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.


this
 
2013-06-20 07:47:42 PM

sithon: maybe he's not living safely and she wants him in care. Maybe he was able to convince a naive granddaughter that they were stealing his home when all they really want to do is get him the care he needs.Otherwise why not take the offer of more money than the thing is worth.


nah she secretly transferred the title of the property.
and waited until the statute of limits on fraud was up before saying anything.

AKA whore
 
2013-06-20 08:05:07 PM

TheBigJerk: Blues_X: Arthur Jumbles: Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.

We don't know the whole story, maybe the father was an abuser and a rapist and this is the daughter's chance for revenge.

It would HAVE to be something like that for there to be any non-evil reason for her actions.

Or he's nearly non-functional helpless, gets all his food delivered, is constantly demanding help from the family that doesn't live there but refuses to move in with them or move to an assisted-living center, and this is the only way for her to force him to do so.


/very possibly this, with the daughter's not speaking with the press falling under the rubric of "that's none of your farkin' business."
 
2013-06-20 08:06:14 PM
Shazam999: TortureSteak: Shazam999: SirEattonHogg: shazam999:
Yeah pretty much.  I wouldn't mind living in a place like that though other than the whiteys might kill my ass.


Doesn't bother my folks and we aint whitey-ish.  We're orientals.

Can I say that?

Where are you?  I'm always wary of the "south" because holy fark American racists really like to espouse their racism.

I'm from rural Georgia, and while I know plenty of people that say a lot of racist things, I don't think any of them are actually racist, it's more of a joke in poor taste or a strange kind of being ironic. I have been known to associate with some severe rednecks, but in all honesty, none of them cares anything about skin color, especially when working or drinking...

/it's not so bad
//come have a beer

Well, I suppose the people that come up to me and say ho much they hate chinks are, in fact, racists, but hey maybe it is irony.

Yikes, that sucks, are you in the south? Well, yeah...no, the kind of person that will go out of their way to tell someone that they hate them because of their race is probably not being ironic.  However, those people are the minority, they are getting fewer with every generation, and they are generally socially disdained, even among other rednecks.  It's really satisfying when you hear a thick, southern drawl say "get that racist asshole outta here"  There was a Chinese exchange student at my high school, and I remember him going absolutely nuts over the whole confederate culture thing--seriously, this kid had more confederate flag t-shirts, coffee mugs, key chains, and stickers than any white guy I've ever met, and he was always wanting to practice his southern accent with people....


Nah, that was in California of all places.  And of course where I am too.

Looks like Georgia is getting a large Korean populace.  God damn I need to live somewhere warmer and cheaper...



Sort of surprised to hear that you got that In California.  Where did it happen?  I live in SoCal and also lived in SF as well for many years.  In this state, the only time I ever heard slurs against Asians was from clearly mentally disturbed persons - like someone ranting on a bus or something.

On the other hand, there are racists anywhere one lives.  California is no exception (obviously).
 
2013-06-20 08:07:28 PM

Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.


Pretty much this.

My first reaction upon reading this article was "Where is this biatch? I'd like to do something about this!"

Abusing the elderly makes me want to commit murder.
 
2013-06-20 08:10:08 PM

Highroller48: The house was valued at $47K????  Seriously???  A whole HOUSE????

*furious Googling*

Okay, here's the house in question.  Seems okay.  Nothing special, but a nice smaller home.
[img.fark.net image 635x476]

Only $47,000?  Holy crap.  That's amazing.  I don't exactly live in a mansion, but I could still sell my house and buy TEN of his!
Something tells me I bought in the WRONG market.  Even the average price here for a single-family home is over $440,000.00.  I feel very hosed, right now.

/Good luck, old timer.  You deserve better.


4 years ago I bought a 4 bedroom on an acre with a 400 sq ft shop, a few other outbuildings, and covered RV parking in the back for $120k. On an acre.

I agree, you bought in the wrong market.
 
2013-06-20 08:30:13 PM

James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything.  This whole thing was dumb from the start.

We're only getting the granddaughter's side since her mother won't talk to the media about it.



And the longer she stays quiet, the more hate she's gonna get.
 
2013-06-20 08:30:31 PM

SirEattonHogg: On the other hand, there are racists anywhere one lives. California is no exception (obviously).


Yeah, we just have a greater diversity of assholes.
 
2013-06-20 09:07:31 PM

vrax: JWideman: Sometimes what is right isn't what is legal, and vise versa.

I think we've pretty well determined that theft of property is neither right nor legal.


If you had a friend who was suicidal and the only way you could stop him from going through with it was to steal his guns, wouldn't you? But we're getting off track here: which was that half of fark was calling her an evil biatch while the other half was saying he deserved it, and some are saying the whole thing is an elaborate scam. It's all jumping to wild conclusions based on ignorance of all the facts.
 
2013-06-20 10:19:04 PM

Shazam999: pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

There's lots of places in the USA that still have relatively cheap housing.  Nashville seems to have a lot of cheap homes too.


Yeah, housing costs vary WILDLY in the US between rural and urban areas.  I know that in Kentucky, once you get away from the major metropolitan areas (Louisville, Lexington, Northern KY outskirts of Cincinnati) then it's quite easy to get a 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom house with a decent yard for $50k or less, as long as you're willing to live in small town America.

My wife likes to watch those home-shopping shows on HGTV, and for what they spend on a modest place in some big metropolitan area you could buy (or build) a bona-fide mansion in other parts of the country.  I still boggle to see families on these shows throw around $250k to $300k asking prices for decent homes, when you could get the same house for half that in a city around here, and a third of that in a small town or in the countryside.

Is living in a gigantic major metropolitan area really, REALLY worth that much more compared to a mid-size city or a small town?
 
2013-06-20 10:29:30 PM

seadoo2006: Narnboy: pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

And (just playing devil's advocate here) what is the appraised value of the condo versus the cost of the condo?

/Not up on ANY real estate policies and procedures, let alone how they set the cost for specific property types.
//Going with the 'not enough data' excuse

Zaleski is just about the most backwater hell in Appalachian Ohio ... it's outside of Athens, in the middle of gawdforsakennowheresville ... it's also in Vinton County, like the 2nd poorest of the 88 in Ohio. 

However, that being said, under $50k is pretty normal for much of non-urban Ohio ... hell, even in urban Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Columbus, $50k will buy you a pre-WW2 home in the city proper.

Some of you people need to get the fark out of whatever high-priced hell hole you're living in and get out and see the rest of the country.  Hell, for $50k, I could buy a 20 acre parcel here in Geauga County.


50 k here in Columbus gets you a run down house in the ghetto. granted, it's still a house, but you're not going to find one for 50k in a place you want to live in. a 1920s craftsman home in a decent area will run you at least 150k. You're right about Cleveland, though- population decline has taken its toll there. And yes, Zaleski is a shiathole. Back when I lived in rural Athens county, me and a female friend went for a drive one evening, and found ourselves in that town. we stopped at some little dive bar there to have a drink, and were immediately looked on with suspicion by the one-tooth wonders in that place. I swear there were fewer teeth than people in there. we had a drink, then got the hell out as fast as we could.
 
2013-06-20 10:47:09 PM

Silverstaff: Shazam999: pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

There's lots of places in the USA that still have relatively cheap housing.  Nashville seems to have a lot of cheap homes too.

Yeah, housing costs vary WILDLY in the US between rural and urban areas.  I know that in Kentucky, once you get away from the major metropolitan areas (Louisville, Lexington, Northern KY outskirts of Cincinnati) then it's quite easy to get a 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom house with a decent yard for $50k or less, as long as you're willing to live in small town America.

My wife likes to watch those home-shopping shows on HGTV, and for what they spend on a modest place in some big metropolitan area you could buy (or build) a bona-fide mansion in other parts of the country.  I still boggle to see families on these shows throw around $250k to $300k asking prices for decent homes, when you could get the same house for half that in a city around here, and a third of that in a small town or in the countryside.

Is living in a gigantic major metropolitan area really, REALLY worth that much more compared to a mid-size city or a small town?


We live in NKY just a couple miles from downtown Cincy. Our house has 2 bedrooms/1 bath, basement/garage, and a decent sized yard, cost was $108k. Mrs. Bearcats and I have the same discussion when she watches HGTV. Our house would be like $400k-$500k in the markets on that show, who can justify paying that much just for location?

On TFA, the daughter is CRAZY for turning down that donated money. She lives in the middle of nowhere Ohio, does she really believe she will ever see an offer like that again?
 
2013-06-20 10:48:10 PM

Silverstaff: Is living in a gigantic major metropolitan area really, REALLY worth that much more compared to a mid-size city or a small town?


For a lot of people, yes.  You go where the jobs are.

That number ("a lot - whatever that is") is decreasing, as telecommunications technologies improve.    But still, even when you are primarily telecommuting, location does matter.  Six years ago I moved to the Hartford area because I can get to two major markets (NYC or Boston) for a meeting with under $200 in expensesand still sleep in my bed the same night. If I can pay $500k for a sweet-ass house with a yard for the kids, and another $30k setting it up for "really there" type of telecom like telepresence, that beats the dog-piss out of raising a family in a $750k Brooklyn walkup.

In the short term, that doesn't mean that Kansas is the place to be, though.  No matter the amount of remote shiat you do, there's still the need to go face to face on a regular basis.  If there wasn't, I'd assure you I wouldn't rack up the airline miles that I do, I wouldn't live in an less-expensive-than-DC/NYC/SF-but-still-crazy-expensive-place-by-compa rison-to-most-of-the-country type of place.

Millenials reaching management will absolutely crush the need for any substantial face to face time.  That's another decade or more, though.
 
2013-06-20 11:19:40 PM

Walker: What a coont.


Who raised her to be a coont?
 
2013-06-20 11:24:58 PM

The Southern Dandy: Walker: What a coont.

Who raised her to be a coont?


Her mother.
 
2013-06-20 11:38:36 PM

chaoticcrash: Wow.  Reading more of the story here has me thinking there is a special place reserved in hell for the daughter.  Some things are so simple they are hard to believe.

Parents set up Power of Attorney 'in case' as a responsible move.

Daughter uses this to transfer deed on home to herself, quietly & illegally.

Daughter waits till statute of limitations runs out and moves in for the kill.

Legally, She's in the clear.

Morally, She's a spawn of satan.


Wow. WWII vet. I wonder if he still has that .45 service revolver.
 
2013-06-20 11:41:38 PM

sithon: maybe he's not living safely and she wants him in care. Maybe he was able to convince a naive granddaughter that they were stealing his home when all they really want to do is get him the care he needs.Otherwise why not take the offer of more money than the thing is worth.


Then why counteroffer double the home's worth plus attorney's fees? House is worth $49k, there has been two offers: one of more than $50k and one of $60k--daughter rejected the first, counteroffered $85k plus legal costs, rejected the second with no counter. Presumably she knows that crowdfunding raised more than $139k for the guy. First story indicated she used her POA to put the house in her name and utilize all of his financial resources, which is why the guy is in this position to begin with.

The granddaughter assisting him, IIRC, is the daughter of the woman who has put her father in this position. So yes, there is most likely more to the story...but there is no justification for stealing from the disabled, even if they were horrible when they were able-bodied. My mother was a horrible, abusive woman and just generally an unkind individual--that doesn't give me the right to steal what little she has left now that she is dying.  Surely there is an attorney near this location in Canada who could look into this situation? Because something is not adding up... At the very least, there should be resources to assist with the POA issue. Here in the US, we have many resources to deal with elder/disabled person abuse, particularly when POAs are involved.
 
2013-06-20 11:46:51 PM

justadadX3: Dang - and we just got this new shipment of pitchforks and torches - what are we supposed to do with these now?


Keep them handy. Ya never know when you will need them. Might be tomorrow or next week but soon.
 
2013-06-21 12:06:57 AM

shArkh: Again.

My grandmother took a particularly nasty turn of senile demnetia (violent) and shortly afterwards  :| Grandpa S died.

His will had signed his half over to his daughter, so she had leverage on the house. BECAUSE if she didn't have it, and Grandma S got declared senile by the government / State, we would lose all of it to them to "pay" for her declining issues and care.

But because granny was in wacko-territory, we were the devils incarnate, and she made sure everyone she opened her bloody mouth to knew, even though she got to keep her care AND her money, until the day she bought it because of what we did.

If the daughter's a biatchy-mcbiatchpants, then fair enough form the lynch mob. But I've been on the wrong end of this myself. I can't be this simple. If it is, well. 'murica I guess.


That's quite a bit different from what the daughter did in this case.  He gave her power of attorney for some reason (most likely due to declining health).  She transferred the deed to the house into her name secretly then waited for the statute of limitations to run out and then proceeded to evict him from his home. Now from the current article we see that the grand-daughter raised the funds to buy the house back and offered more than the appraised value of the home but the daughter rejected it and counter offered for even more money.  So she's in it for the money and is the devil incarnate.
 
2013-06-21 12:10:36 AM

vrax: JWideman: skozlaw: randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know...

No she doesn't. Why is it any of your farking business and why do you just assume that a 92 year old man you don't know is giving you an accurate accounting of the situation via third parties?

I swear to god sometimes I think Farkers are actually dumber than Youtubers....

This! The only reason the story became public in the first place was to raise money. She doesn't have to say anything. However, she (well, her husband) actually did:

"His daughter and son-in-law say the dispute is over visitation rights for Potter's other child who as Autism.
"For him to stay in that home it is real simple leave Joe alone and stop the lawsuits," said the son-in-law, Dean Cottrill.  - http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/297517/45/Elderly-WW-II-veteran-face s -eviction-due-to-family-feud

Joe is the autistic son.

The couple illegally used their POA to transfer the property.  Fark them!


Probably to pay for the lawsuits. Poetic justice when the old man was offered a way out?

/devil and advocate, LLC
 
2013-06-21 12:22:52 AM

Darth Vader Ginsburg: Butch McBiatchipants
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And notice the crucifix. Way to honor thy father there, hypocrite. Kicking dad out of the house he built: it's just what Jesus would have done.
 
2013-06-21 12:31:46 AM

silsurf28: Well then there is this:
"Another reason Potter and his attorney believe Cottrill would sell the home is she began selling parcels - about 14 acres in total -- from a hunting property Potter had owned a few miles away from his home last year.  "

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/91-year-ohio-man-evicted-home-daughte r/ story?id=19134306#.UcONedj3PMy

Read the whole article


Pretty small hunting property. What would you hunt there? Squirrels? Gophers? One deer, maybe?
 
2013-06-21 12:36:44 AM

Silverstaff: Shazam999: pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

There's lots of places in the USA that still have relatively cheap housing.  Nashville seems to have a lot of cheap homes too.

Yeah, housing costs vary WILDLY in the US between rural and urban areas.  I know that in Kentucky, once you get away from the major metropolitan areas (Louisville, Lexington, Northern KY outskirts of Cincinnati) then it's quite easy to get a 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom house with a decent yard for $50k or less, as long as you're willing to live in small town America.

My wife likes to watch those home-shopping shows on HGTV, and for what they spend on a modest place in some big metropolitan area you could buy (or build) a bona-fide mansion in other parts of the country.  I still boggle to see families on these shows throw around $250k to $300k asking prices for decent homes, when you could get the same house for half that in a city around here, and a third of that in a small town or in the countryside.

Is living in a gigantic major metropolitan area really, REALLY worth that much more compared to a mid-size city or a small town?


It's all about the money. You make more in a metro area so of course the cost is more and make less in small towns so it is less to buy but the percentage of income to housing can stay roughly the same.
 
2013-06-21 12:39:21 AM

jaybeezey: Smeggy Smurf: Odds are he was an asshole as a dad but she chose to become an evil biatch.  I doubt either side can be supported without stepping knee deep in bullshiat.

Why does everything have to turn into Syria?


Because your dad touched you at night.
 
2013-06-21 01:30:20 AM
Regardless of whose side of the story is what, and who is right or wrong in this situation, I'll be surprised if someone doesn't burn that house to the ground once the old man is forced out of it.

Also, for those who've suggested the daughter wants her father in an assisted living facility, has anyone read anything to that effect? Has there been anything reported about arrangements being made or facilities being contacted? (genuinely curious)
 
2013-06-21 03:38:44 AM

geek_mars: Regardless of whose side of the story is what, and who is right or wrong in this situation, I'll be surprised if someone doesn't burn that house to the ground once the old man is forced out of it.

Also, for those who've suggested the daughter wants her father in an assisted living facility, has anyone read anything to that effect? Has there been anything reported about arrangements being made or facilities being contacted? (genuinely curious)


nothing has been said about putting him in a home being the reason to get him out of the house.  the previous article (hence this followup) said the daughter is just petty about the autistic son in the family.  since he isn't getting what she wants for him she's going to kick him out if they dont pay $85k for a $47k house.

until damning evidence comes out saying this guy was abusive or terrible to them i'm siding with him.  if it does come out i'll about-face on this topic.
 
2013-06-21 03:53:38 AM

saturn badger: chaoticcrash: Wow.  Reading more of the story here has me thinking there is a special place reserved in hell for the daughter.  Some things are so simple they are hard to believe.

Parents set up Power of Attorney 'in case' as a responsible move.

Daughter uses this to transfer deed on home to herself, quietly & illegally.

Daughter waits till statute of limitations runs out and moves in for the kill.

Legally, She's in the clear.

Morally, She's a spawn of satan.

Wow.
WWII vet. I wonder if he still has that .45 service revolver.


Wat.
 
2013-06-21 04:10:20 AM
I'm gathering that this entire discussion hinges on one thing we are not privy too, Does the father deserve this? Reviewing that question and answering ONLY with a yes/no. No qulifiers. What do you all think?
Let's get some number going, and stat some polls asap =P just for fun
 
2013-06-21 04:48:46 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: I'm gathering that this entire discussion hinges on one thing we are not privy too, Does the father deserve this? Reviewing that question and answering ONLY with a yes/no. No qulifiers. What do you all think?
Let's get some number going, and stat some polls asap =P just for fun


Based on the articles I've read:  NO
 
2013-06-21 05:37:33 AM

The Flexecutioner: geek_mars: Regardless of whose side of the story is what, and who is right or wrong in this situation, I'll be surprised if someone doesn't burn that house to the ground once the old man is forced out of it.

Also, for those who've suggested the daughter wants her father in an assisted living facility, has anyone read anything to that effect? Has there been anything reported about arrangements being made or facilities being contacted? (genuinely curious)

nothing has been said about putting him in a home being the reason to get him out of the house.  the previous article (hence this followup) said the daughter is just petty about the autistic son in the family.  since he isn't getting what she wants for him she's going to kick him out if they dont pay $85k for a $47k house.

until damning evidence comes out saying this guy was abusive or terrible to them i'm siding with him.  if it does come out i'll about-face on this topic.


Even then I'm not siding with the daughter because she broke the law on all this. This was a rather sneaky, underhanded, thing. Doesn't matter if someone was a jerk to you in the past, it doesn't make it right to pull something like that. Had he been bad to her I could totally see her refusing to take power of attorney, not talking to him and saying "fark you, have fun dying alone." However this was as underhanded as it gets. She should go to jail for it, but sadly the whole statute of limitations shiat.

That also is a real good sign that this was not done out of some kind of anger or need for revenge, as those acts tend to be overt and off the cuff, but rather just greed and spite.
 
2013-06-21 05:47:05 AM
Having issues with an elder parent myself and knowing that 50% of people by 85 have pre-dementia, I'm not so sure this is solely about an evil daughter.

All my life I've thought if a person wanted to stay in their home then all effort should be made to allow that but now I realize unless an elder or person facing incapacitation doesn't have a strong support system it is better for them to go into care and of course, should have someone to act as their advocate to protect them not only from potential abuse but inherent flaws within the system.

My parent is literally killing herself thru lack of self care making herself sicker than she needs to be.and is very unhappy. She has early heading to moderate dementia and her lack of taking meds for her physical issues is excerbating her ability to make good decisions.

Not only are her choices impacting her life negatively but it is also affecting my life, my daughter's (who is only 8 and her entire life has been impacted by this) and she is a potential public safety issue as she refuses to stop driving.

All efforts are being made for her to voluntarily make life changes but it is possible that I may have to take her to court and revoke her rights to self determination.

With every fiber of being I do not want to do that but I may have to. It is a horrible burden. It is not about payback or wishing to control her assets.

The daughter may be a coont or she may not be. I don't know but I do know that elder parent issues are very difficult.
 
2013-06-21 06:23:04 AM

chaoticcrash: Wow.  Reading more of the story here has me thinking there is a special place reserved in hell for the daughter.  Some things are so simple they are hard to believe.

Parents set up Power of Attorney 'in case' as a responsible move.

Daughter uses this to transfer deed on home to herself, quietly & illegally.

Daughter waits till statute of limitations runs out and moves in for the kill.

Legally, She's in the clear.

Morally, She's a spawn of satan.


WRONG:

Morally she's correct to maximize her potential profits.  Altruism, or anything done where the net profit is less than the net expenditure, is immoral on the grounds that it compromises YOUR position financially.  Since she was surreptitious, but she was able to wait out the Statute of Limitations, what she did was shrewd, calculated, and financially savvy.  The daughter now has a guaranteed money source if her father (who was dumb enough to give up PoA, or dumb enough to allow it to be transferred in a quiet fashion without his legal right to an attorney to break down the explanation... or even legal-aid to do so) desires to have his home back, and in the event he dies before he makes his decision, unless the father had the wherewithal to explicitly (ie: in writing) omit her from the will, this savvy daughter will profit further from his worldly possessions that she may convert to funds at an estate sale.

Love, doesn't pay lawyer's fees, a revenue stream that's greater than the per hour, or flat, rate of an attorney will.  Good on the daughter for trying to maximize her profits.  Her sacrifices will be reflected by the growth of her bank account.
 
2013-06-21 07:50:20 AM

James!: Maybe she doesn't want her personal family shiat dragged through the media?  Who knows it's her business.  Assuming guilt just because she won't make a spectacle of herself on youtube is shiatty.


Her personal shiat is already in the media, she is already far worse than any spectacle on Youtube.

Comment from one of the news sites:  Hmmmmm...perhaps Ramon & Janice Cottrill might be "accidentally" run over by a passing car....or be unfortunate enough to be in the crossfire of a shootout......or trip into a garbage dumpster headed for some crap-filled landfill.

Now if any of the above happened I bet the stupid cow would regret that she didn't bother to do so much as release even a single statement explaining her side of the story, assuming she has one that is half way decent, which I doubt.

I wouldn't burn down the old man's house as others have said, I'd go for the one the biatch currently lives in. See how much she doesn't care about what people think of her then.
 
2013-06-21 08:04:18 AM

silverjets: So she's in it for the money and is the devil incarnate.


How can she be in it for the money when she turned down an amount that's far more than she could get for it selling to someone else?
 
2013-06-21 08:36:26 AM
My 92 year old mother is in a Elderwood facility and she loves it. Her own apartment with meals included.
Better than living alone at that age.
 
2013-06-21 10:28:32 AM
Why is Janice Cotrill even wanting to do that to her own father to start with?  She even rejected an offer that's $36,000 more than what the house and land is worth, so it's not about the money.  Has anyone ever tried to talk to her and ask why?
 
2013-06-21 01:03:48 PM
Um...a lot of you seem to think the daughter OWES YOU an explanation. The daughter doesn't owe you anything. You're the one butting in on this family's business. We don't know the situation, and it doesn't concern us.
 
2013-06-21 03:11:11 PM

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: Um...a lot of you seem to think the daughter OWES YOU an explanation. The daughter doesn't owe you anything. You're the one butting in on this family's business. We don't know the situation, and it doesn't concern us.


Our concerns dont concern you.  She only 'owes' our anger an explanation and even then it's short term until the next anger issue presents itself.
 
2013-06-21 07:37:50 PM
So if they have raised 140k, why didn't they meet the 85k price?
 
2013-06-21 07:48:39 PM

ganzonomy: chaoticcrash: Wow.  Reading more of the story here has me thinking there is a special place reserved in hell for the daughter.  Some things are so simple they are hard to believe.

Parents set up Power of Attorney 'in case' as a responsible move.

Daughter uses this to transfer deed on home to herself, quietly & illegally.

Daughter waits till statute of limitations runs out and moves in for the kill.

Legally, She's in the clear.

Morally, She's a spawn of satan.

WRONG:

Morally she's correct to maximize her potential profits.  Altruism, or anything done where the net profit is less than the net expenditure, is immoral on the grounds that it compromises YOUR position financially.  Since she was surreptitious, but she was able to wait out the Statute of Limitations, what she did was shrewd, calculated, and financially savvy.  The daughter now has a guaranteed money source if her father (who was dumb enough to give up PoA, or dumb enough to allow it to be transferred in a quiet fashion without his legal right to an attorney to break down the explanation... or even legal-aid to do so) desires to have his home back, and in the event he dies before he makes his decision, unless the father had the wherewithal to explicitly (ie: in writing) omit her from the will, this savvy daughter will profit further from his worldly possessions that she may convert to funds at an estate sale.

Love, doesn't pay lawyer's fees, a revenue stream that's greater than the per hour, or flat, rate of an attorney will.  Good on the daughter for trying to maximize her profits.  Her sacrifices will be reflected by the growth of her bank account.


Ms Rand, we have a call for you on the white courtesy phone.  A Mr. Galt.
 
2013-06-21 10:49:07 PM

RINO: saturn badger: chaoticcrash: Wow.  Reading more of the story here has me thinking there is a special place reserved in hell for the daughter.  Some things are so simple they are hard to believe.

Parents set up Power of Attorney 'in case' as a responsible move.

Daughter uses this to transfer deed on home to herself, quietly & illegally.

Daughter waits till statute of limitations runs out and moves in for the kill.

Legally, She's in the clear.

Morally, She's a spawn of satan.

Wow. WWII vet. I wonder if he still has that .45 service revolver.

Wat.


It is like the ones Patton had.

/whew. dodger that bullet
 
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