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2013-06-20 05:34:00 PM

CheatCommando: TortureSteak: I don't think any of them are actually racist, it's more of a joke in poor taste or a strange kind of being ironic

There are degrees of racism, and not every racist is a hood-wearing member of the KKK determined to start a race war.


That is very true.  I think what I may have meant was that though these guys may say some pretty ignorant and pig-headed things, they aren't really out to hurt anyone.  None of the rednecks that I have ever known (which is a ton) would ever have any problem getting a beer or working alongside another person simply because of their skin color--also, weed, everybody loves weed, I have seen more people set aside their differences over a good toke than anything else.  In reality, I have known people that had simply never even met another person of a different race and then when they sat down over a drink and a bowl and had a chat they pretty much just said "well, I'll be" to each other and became friends.  Yeah, people still say dumb things down here, but at least we're not really killing each other over it so much anymore...
 
2013-06-20 05:35:06 PM
The good news is, the family now has the house AND $130K+ in sympathy money. Maybe this will ease the tension between generations. Not a bad haul if you ask me.
 
2013-06-20 05:39:26 PM
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2013-06-20 05:46:56 PM

James!: serial_crusher: I would be interested in hearing the daughter's side of the story.  Only possible reason I could think of to do something like that is to pressure the old guy to move into the old folks home you think he needs to be in, but the fact that she initially gave him a counter-offer makes me doubt it's anything like that.

She's probably got a deal with some crooked land developer who's trying to turn the whole block into upscale condos and this guy is the last hold out.  Might have to call the A-Team on this one.

James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything. This whole thing was dumb from the start

It's not so much that she refused to sell it as it is that she apparently obtained the property as a result of him giving her power of attorney for whatever reason.

That's pretty common though.


Even if it is "pretty common" that doesn't make it acceptable.
 
2013-06-20 05:47:17 PM

JWideman: Sometimes what is right isn't what is legal, and vise versa.


I think we've pretty well determined that theft of property is neither right nor legal.
 
2013-06-20 05:49:43 PM
Actually, this sort of thing happens a lot. The person that ends up getting power of attorney is usually money hungry. Most of the time they toss the person in a nursing home or move them into their own home before they pull this shiat.
 
2013-06-20 05:55:12 PM
No problem. Take that money and go buy a bunch of balloons and go off on a crazy adventure!
 
2013-06-20 05:55:15 PM
The house was valued at $47K????  Seriously???  A whole HOUSE????

*furious Googling*

Okay, here's the house in question.  Seems okay.  Nothing special, but a nice smaller home.
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Only $47,000?  Holy crap.  That's amazing.  I don't exactly live in a mansion, but I could still sell my house and buy TEN of his!
Something tells me I bought in the WRONG market.  Even the average price here for a single-family home is over $440,000.00.  I feel very hosed, right now.

/Good luck, old timer.  You deserve better.
 
2013-06-20 05:57:57 PM
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2013-06-20 05:59:10 PM

TortureSteak: Shazam999: TortureSteak: Shazam999: SirEattonHogg: shazam999:
Yeah pretty much.  I wouldn't mind living in a place like that though other than the whiteys might kill my ass.


Doesn't bother my folks and we aint whitey-ish.  We're orientals.

Can I say that?

Where are you?  I'm always wary of the "south" because holy fark American racists really like to espouse their racism.

I'm from rural Georgia, and while I know plenty of people that say a lot of racist things, I don't think any of them are actually racist, it's more of a joke in poor taste or a strange kind of being ironic. I have been known to associate with some severe rednecks, but in all honesty, none of them cares anything about skin color, especially when working or drinking...

/it's not so bad
//come have a beer

Well, I suppose the people that come up to me and say ho much they hate chinks are, in fact, racists, but hey maybe it is irony.

Yikes, that sucks, are you in the south? Well, yeah...no, the kind of person that will go out of their way to tell someone that they hate them because of their race is probably not being ironic.  However, those people are the minority, they are getting fewer with every generation, and they are generally socially disdained, even among other rednecks.  It's really satisfying when you hear a thick, southern drawl say "get that racist asshole outta here"  There was a Chinese exchange student at my high school, and I remember him going absolutely nuts over the whole confederate culture thing--seriously, this kid had more confederate flag t-shirts, coffee mugs, key chains, and stickers than any white guy I've ever met, and he was always wanting to practice his southern accent with people....


Nah, that was in California of all places.  And of course where I am too.

Looks like Georgia is getting a large Korean populace.  God damn I need to live somewhere warmer and cheaper...
 
2013-06-20 06:00:31 PM

Highroller48: The house was valued at $47K????  Seriously???  A whole HOUSE????

*furious Googling*

Okay, here's the house in question.  Seems okay.  Nothing special, but a nice smaller home.
[img.fark.net image 635x476]

Only $47,000?  Holy crap.  That's amazing.  I don't exactly live in a mansion, but I could still sell my house and buy TEN of his!
Something tells me I bought in the WRONG market.  Even the average price here for a single-family home is over $440,000.00.  I feel very hosed, right now.

/Good luck, old timer.  You deserve better.


Hello, fellow Calgarian!

Yes, that's exactly how I feel.  fark, I'd sell my house for $525K, move to Georgia, buy a place for $100K and sling coffee at a Starbucks.  And be perfectly happy.
 
2013-06-20 06:01:13 PM

Narnboy: pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

And (just playing devil's advocate here) what is the appraised value of the condo versus the cost of the condo?

/Not up on ANY real estate policies and procedures, let alone how they set the cost for specific property types.
//Going with the 'not enough data' excuse


They don't "set" the appraised value.  The appraisal takes similar properties that have sold recently in the same market and adjusts for any differences they have from the property being appraised to extrapolate what the property should sell for on the open market.

////You may be thinking of the assessed value of the home, which is set by the local taxing authorities (usually a county appraisal district).
//Also there are such cheap homes in just about every state, it's just that in most places such homes are in disrepair and/or you are likely to be shot in your front lawn or the property is in BFE too far from civilization to be desirable to most people.
 
2013-06-20 06:02:11 PM

Highroller48: Only $47,000? Holy crap. That's amazing. I don't exactly live in a mansion, but I could still sell my house and buy TEN of his!
Something tells me I bought in the WRONG market. Even the average price here for a single-family home is over $440,000.00. I feel very hosed, right now.


My fiance's sister bought a house for $75,000. Upstairs is has 2 bathrooms,2 bedrooms,huge kitchen and living room. Downstairs may as well be another house considering there's another bathroom,2 more bedrooms,a full farking kitchen,a room for the pool table and 2 car garage.
 
2013-06-20 06:08:35 PM

Frankentots: Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't there usually clauses in Powers of Attorney that dictate that transfers and decisions are to be made in the best interest of the Assignee?  The legality of this business seems a little shady.


A previous article said that he could have gotten the house back with this argument, except that by the time he realized what had happened, the statue of limitations had expired on the transaction.

It's all apparently strong-arming over the custody of a mentally retarded brother.
 
2013-06-20 06:09:42 PM

Highroller48: The house was valued at $47K????  Seriously???  A whole HOUSE????

*furious Googling*

Okay, here's the house in question.  Seems okay.  Nothing special, but a nice smaller home.
[img.fark.net image 635x476]

Only $47,000?  Holy crap.  That's amazing.  I don't exactly live in a mansion, but I could still sell my house and buy TEN of his!
Something tells me I bought in the WRONG market.  Even the average price here for a single-family home is over $440,000.00.  I feel very hosed, right now.

/Good luck, old timer.  You deserve better.


You wanna talk getting hosed? We bought our house for $225k back in '06. As of last year's property tax roll, it is worth
approximately $78k. We're so deep underwater, if we come up too fast, we'll get the bends.
 
2013-06-20 06:09:59 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: the statute of limitations


FTFM

And I hate when people do that.
 
2013-06-20 06:10:56 PM

Highroller48: The house was valued at $47K????  Seriously???  A whole HOUSE????

*furious Googling*

Okay, here's the house in question.  Seems okay.  Nothing special, but a nice smaller home.
[img.fark.net image 635x476]

Only $47,000?  Holy crap.  That's amazing.  I don't exactly live in a mansion, but I could still sell my house and buy TEN of his!
Something tells me I bought in the WRONG market.  Even the average price here for a single-family home is over $440,000.00.  I feel very hosed, right now.

/Good luck, old timer.  You deserve better.


I'm in exactly the same boat as you, and I live in a small town a bit in the boonies so that I could get more house for my money. There are people in CA and NY who I'm sure could sell modest homes and buy 20 of this guys house. It really is amazing how much location is valued by the market.
 
2013-06-20 06:13:33 PM

Highroller48: The house was valued at $47K????  Seriously???  A whole HOUSE????

*furious Googling*

Okay, here's the house in question.  Seems okay.  Nothing special, but a nice smaller home.
[img.fark.net image 635x476]

Only $47,000?  Holy crap.  That's amazing.  I don't exactly live in a mansion, but I could still sell my house and buy TEN of his!
Something tells me I bought in the WRONG market.  Even the average price here for a single-family home is over $440,000.00.  I feel very hosed, right now.

/Good luck, old timer.  You deserve better.


Until I looked at your profile I thought you were in Seattle. We're looking for a house right now and the market is crazy. $47K wouldn't be an acceptable down payment out here, God help us.
 
2013-06-20 06:15:58 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Skirl Hutsenreiter: the statute of limitations

FTFM

And I hate when people do that.


Lol...

Several years ago, I was doing web development work for this guy who seriously cheated me on payment. When
he found out I was going online and griping about it w/ another designer who had also been cheated (not to
mention sexually propositioned by the guy), he had his 'lawyer' e-mail me a Cease to Exist notice.

Yes, you read that right. Cease to Exist. Via e-mail. And I was supposed to believe it was legit and  get scared off.
So when I emailed him back and told him (between fits of laughter) that I was not just going to up anddie and then
asked for thebar number of his genius of a 'lawyer', he got all pissy. It's the first time I've ever seensomeone
have an apoplecticfit over email, but he did.
 
2013-06-20 06:20:39 PM
Torch the place old man, the worse that will happen is you have a sure bet of a place to stay and food for the rest of your life.
 
2013-06-20 06:23:25 PM

Magnus: Having witnessed similar family drama (not in my family, thank God, but in a friend's), THIS. We have no idea what's going on here, especially as there was apparently some attendant drama involving the care of an autistic son.


My family is insanely private, to the point of it almost being a mental illness. My great aunt when she went into a senior living apartments used to quiz us for five minutes when we'd visit. You didn't talk to anyone, you didn't tell them ANYTHING right? My mom is this way too. We have relatives who've hit over 100, but the family won't ever let any announcement be made. You'd think they were in witness protection. They're not, it's just a weird quirk.

However when my grandfather had dementia and we had to go through all the stuff that people do, had something like THIS happened, my insanely private family would've at least made one simple statement. Probably no more than that. They might've even had a priest make it. But...even they wouldn't remain silent.

Doesn't equal guilt, but in this instance with all the facts we do know, it seems quite damning. Especially a willingness to resell his property for 2x the value plus fees.

Sometimes there's just a rotten egg in the family.
 
2013-06-20 06:28:33 PM

digitalrain: Highroller48: The house was valued at $47K????  Seriously???  A whole HOUSE????

*furious Googling*

Okay, here's the house in question.  Seems okay.  Nothing special, but a nice smaller home.
[img.fark.net image 635x476]

Only $47,000?  Holy crap.  That's amazing.  I don't exactly live in a mansion, but I could still sell my house and buy TEN of his!
Something tells me I bought in the WRONG market.  Even the average price here for a single-family home is over $440,000.00.  I feel very hosed, right now.

/Good luck, old timer.  You deserve better.

You wanna talk getting hosed? We bought our house for $225k back in '06. As of last year's property tax roll, it is worth
approximately $78k. We're so deep underwater, if we come up too fast, we'll get the bends.


That sucks. I think that would make me very anxious. :( But hey, at least your property tax is lower now.
 
2013-06-20 06:32:03 PM

Lady Indica: However when my grandfather had dementia and we had to go through all the stuff that people do, had something like THIS happened, my insanely private family would've at least made one simple statement. Probably no more than that. They might've even had a priest make it. But...even they wouldn't remain silent.


Imagine that you have a relative that needs assisted living.  You consult a lawyer, and he says that "well, since you own the house, you could just evict him.  But you can't expose any ulterior motive in doing so, because you will be in violation of housing laws."

That is entirely plausible.
 
2013-06-20 06:33:49 PM

Fancourt: TV's Vinnie: There's got to be more to this story than what's been reported. Just what happened to this daughter to make her so filled with hate to evict her elderly father?

The elderly father has been keeping up a barrage of lawsuits to attempt to regain custody of his 63-year old autistic son, Joe, from the daughter & her husband. The daughter is using the house & eviction as leverage to try to make him stop.

Whether or not this is justifiable depends on the nature of the interaction between the grandfather and son. If the daughter feels that this relationship is inappropriate (i.e. the grandfather is incapable of taking care of the autistic son or something even worse may be taking place), then her actions might be justifiable. If it's just to maintain her meal ticket (she's paid by the state as his caretaker), then her actions might be considered unreasonable and "evil".

Unfortunately, there's not mush more information available than this so far.


She said in an earlier article that she'd let him stay in the house if he would just agree to stop the lawsuits.

I'm a little puzzled by the appeals court ruling that the statute of limitation has run out. The clock can start ticking

Earliest: The date of harm.

Later: The date on which the plaintiff reasonably should have discovered the harm. This refers to the date when a judge considers it fair to say that the plaintiff should have known about the harm, even if the plaintiff didn't actually know about it.

Latest: The date on which the plaintiff actually discovered the harm.
 
2013-06-20 06:40:47 PM
If she has the power to basically seize all of his stuff, she probably has enough pull to get this man put into assisted living without putting him through this.
 
2013-06-20 06:50:24 PM
My babysitter: her husband died and his will locked the farm in trust. She could rent out the fields for crops, but she had no ability to sell - iirc she got a small fixed income from trust investments but had to file paperwork to ask for money to fix up the barn and other external buildings. In many respects she was trapped on the farm but she made it work. She lived alone for decades. Some of my earliest memories are priming the pump in the front yard to bring in water - her wood burning stove had a tank to keep water hot. (This was the 60's and 70's btw).

Near the end of my high school, her son came over one night and told her he wasn't comfortable with her living alone anymore. She hadn't fallen, her health hadn't changed, but he'd 'decided'; he was taking her to the assisted living facility (old folk's home back then). She asked to spend one last night at home so she could 'pack a bag' and sort through her things, so he left.

Apparently she immediately walked into the bathroom and hung herself - he found her the next morning.

He moved his wife and kids into the house a few weeks later.

/Never underestimate the utter lack of shame of some people...
 
2013-06-20 07:01:57 PM

exick: I recall this story hitting Fark a while ago (or perhaps it was somewhere else) and there definitely feels like there's more to it than meets the eye.


dementia and all the goodies that go with it.Nothing lijke putting some water on for tea then taking a nice long nap.A daughter not able to live with dad and not being able to afford a sit-in for him (or finding on who is trustworthy) and a grand daughter who just doesnt understand the reality of the situation are possible reasons.Still,its just easier to call the daughter a biatch and be done with it.
 Theres no getting around the fact that she could have walked away with 80k plus on a house worth less than half that and she didnt , that fact alone suggests she may be no biatch at all
 
2013-06-20 07:13:17 PM
Well then there is this:
"Another reason Potter and his attorney believe Cottrill would sell the home is she began selling parcels - about 14 acres in total -- from a hunting property Potter had owned a few miles away from his home last year.  "

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/91-year-ohio-man-evicted-home-daughte r/ story?id=19134306#.UcONedj3PMy

Read the whole article
 
2013-06-20 07:17:09 PM

domine: She transferred the assets to her name, 9 years ago


So? If it's all about money why didn't she sell it then?

JWideman: "For him to stay in that home it is real simple leave Joe alone and stop the lawsuits," said the son-in-law, Dean Cottrill. - http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/297517/45/Elderly-WW-II-veteran-face s -eviction-due-to-family-feud


That article is atrocious. Where does any of that info come from? The only thing they cite is the random one-liner from the son in law and the link to the granddaughter's side of the story that's already been covered.

Crappin' local news sites o_0
 
2013-06-20 07:20:50 PM

Corn_Fed: If the daughter had a reasonable "side of the story," she would have publicly expressed it by now, given all the publicity.

The fact that she hasn't, suggests to me that she is motivated by something that wouldn't be highly approved of.


Or she doesn't care to share her family's business in the media unlike other family members.

I'm having a problem worrying about this given that at least two court procedures have been held about it.
 
2013-06-20 07:33:41 PM

Shazam999: Highroller48: The house was valued at $47K????  Seriously???  A whole HOUSE????

*furious Googling*

Okay, here's the house in question.  Seems okay.  Nothing special, but a nice smaller home.
[img.fark.net image 635x476]

Only $47,000?  Holy crap.  That's amazing.  I don't exactly live in a mansion, but I could still sell my house and buy TEN of his!
Something tells me I bought in the WRONG market.  Even the average price here for a single-family home is over $440,000.00.  I feel very hosed, right now.

/Good luck, old timer.  You deserve better.

Hello, fellow Calgarian!

Yes, that's exactly how I feel.  fark, I'd sell my house for $525K, move to Georgia, buy a place for $100K and sling coffee at a Starbucks.  And be perfectly happy.


/also live in Calgary.

Rent a small suite. $550, all inclusive. Fairly happy, except storage space sucks, and can't flush toilet paper in the toilet(use a wastebasket so the sewer doesn't clog more than once every 2 years). I have money in my mom's house too, but I hope she'll just sell that for the lot(The house needs big time fixer uppering)
 
2013-06-20 07:46:44 PM

Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.


this
 
2013-06-20 07:47:42 PM

sithon: maybe he's not living safely and she wants him in care. Maybe he was able to convince a naive granddaughter that they were stealing his home when all they really want to do is get him the care he needs.Otherwise why not take the offer of more money than the thing is worth.


nah she secretly transferred the title of the property.
and waited until the statute of limits on fraud was up before saying anything.

AKA whore
 
2013-06-20 08:05:07 PM

TheBigJerk: Blues_X: Arthur Jumbles: Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.

We don't know the whole story, maybe the father was an abuser and a rapist and this is the daughter's chance for revenge.

It would HAVE to be something like that for there to be any non-evil reason for her actions.

Or he's nearly non-functional helpless, gets all his food delivered, is constantly demanding help from the family that doesn't live there but refuses to move in with them or move to an assisted-living center, and this is the only way for her to force him to do so.


/very possibly this, with the daughter's not speaking with the press falling under the rubric of "that's none of your farkin' business."
 
2013-06-20 08:06:14 PM
Shazam999: TortureSteak: Shazam999: SirEattonHogg: shazam999:
Yeah pretty much.  I wouldn't mind living in a place like that though other than the whiteys might kill my ass.


Doesn't bother my folks and we aint whitey-ish.  We're orientals.

Can I say that?

Where are you?  I'm always wary of the "south" because holy fark American racists really like to espouse their racism.

I'm from rural Georgia, and while I know plenty of people that say a lot of racist things, I don't think any of them are actually racist, it's more of a joke in poor taste or a strange kind of being ironic. I have been known to associate with some severe rednecks, but in all honesty, none of them cares anything about skin color, especially when working or drinking...

/it's not so bad
//come have a beer

Well, I suppose the people that come up to me and say ho much they hate chinks are, in fact, racists, but hey maybe it is irony.

Yikes, that sucks, are you in the south? Well, yeah...no, the kind of person that will go out of their way to tell someone that they hate them because of their race is probably not being ironic.  However, those people are the minority, they are getting fewer with every generation, and they are generally socially disdained, even among other rednecks.  It's really satisfying when you hear a thick, southern drawl say "get that racist asshole outta here"  There was a Chinese exchange student at my high school, and I remember him going absolutely nuts over the whole confederate culture thing--seriously, this kid had more confederate flag t-shirts, coffee mugs, key chains, and stickers than any white guy I've ever met, and he was always wanting to practice his southern accent with people....


Nah, that was in California of all places.  And of course where I am too.

Looks like Georgia is getting a large Korean populace.  God damn I need to live somewhere warmer and cheaper...



Sort of surprised to hear that you got that In California.  Where did it happen?  I live in SoCal and also lived in SF as well for many years.  In this state, the only time I ever heard slurs against Asians was from clearly mentally disturbed persons - like someone ranting on a bus or something.

On the other hand, there are racists anywhere one lives.  California is no exception (obviously).
 
2013-06-20 08:07:28 PM

Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.


Pretty much this.

My first reaction upon reading this article was "Where is this biatch? I'd like to do something about this!"

Abusing the elderly makes me want to commit murder.
 
2013-06-20 08:10:08 PM

Highroller48: The house was valued at $47K????  Seriously???  A whole HOUSE????

*furious Googling*

Okay, here's the house in question.  Seems okay.  Nothing special, but a nice smaller home.
[img.fark.net image 635x476]

Only $47,000?  Holy crap.  That's amazing.  I don't exactly live in a mansion, but I could still sell my house and buy TEN of his!
Something tells me I bought in the WRONG market.  Even the average price here for a single-family home is over $440,000.00.  I feel very hosed, right now.

/Good luck, old timer.  You deserve better.


4 years ago I bought a 4 bedroom on an acre with a 400 sq ft shop, a few other outbuildings, and covered RV parking in the back for $120k. On an acre.

I agree, you bought in the wrong market.
 
2013-06-20 08:30:13 PM

James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything.  This whole thing was dumb from the start.

We're only getting the granddaughter's side since her mother won't talk to the media about it.



And the longer she stays quiet, the more hate she's gonna get.
 
2013-06-20 08:30:31 PM

SirEattonHogg: On the other hand, there are racists anywhere one lives. California is no exception (obviously).


Yeah, we just have a greater diversity of assholes.
 
2013-06-20 09:07:31 PM

vrax: JWideman: Sometimes what is right isn't what is legal, and vise versa.

I think we've pretty well determined that theft of property is neither right nor legal.


If you had a friend who was suicidal and the only way you could stop him from going through with it was to steal his guns, wouldn't you? But we're getting off track here: which was that half of fark was calling her an evil biatch while the other half was saying he deserved it, and some are saying the whole thing is an elaborate scam. It's all jumping to wild conclusions based on ignorance of all the facts.
 
2013-06-20 10:19:04 PM

Shazam999: pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

There's lots of places in the USA that still have relatively cheap housing.  Nashville seems to have a lot of cheap homes too.


Yeah, housing costs vary WILDLY in the US between rural and urban areas.  I know that in Kentucky, once you get away from the major metropolitan areas (Louisville, Lexington, Northern KY outskirts of Cincinnati) then it's quite easy to get a 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom house with a decent yard for $50k or less, as long as you're willing to live in small town America.

My wife likes to watch those home-shopping shows on HGTV, and for what they spend on a modest place in some big metropolitan area you could buy (or build) a bona-fide mansion in other parts of the country.  I still boggle to see families on these shows throw around $250k to $300k asking prices for decent homes, when you could get the same house for half that in a city around here, and a third of that in a small town or in the countryside.

Is living in a gigantic major metropolitan area really, REALLY worth that much more compared to a mid-size city or a small town?
 
2013-06-20 10:29:30 PM

seadoo2006: Narnboy: pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

And (just playing devil's advocate here) what is the appraised value of the condo versus the cost of the condo?

/Not up on ANY real estate policies and procedures, let alone how they set the cost for specific property types.
//Going with the 'not enough data' excuse

Zaleski is just about the most backwater hell in Appalachian Ohio ... it's outside of Athens, in the middle of gawdforsakennowheresville ... it's also in Vinton County, like the 2nd poorest of the 88 in Ohio. 

However, that being said, under $50k is pretty normal for much of non-urban Ohio ... hell, even in urban Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Columbus, $50k will buy you a pre-WW2 home in the city proper.

Some of you people need to get the fark out of whatever high-priced hell hole you're living in and get out and see the rest of the country.  Hell, for $50k, I could buy a 20 acre parcel here in Geauga County.


50 k here in Columbus gets you a run down house in the ghetto. granted, it's still a house, but you're not going to find one for 50k in a place you want to live in. a 1920s craftsman home in a decent area will run you at least 150k. You're right about Cleveland, though- population decline has taken its toll there. And yes, Zaleski is a shiathole. Back when I lived in rural Athens county, me and a female friend went for a drive one evening, and found ourselves in that town. we stopped at some little dive bar there to have a drink, and were immediately looked on with suspicion by the one-tooth wonders in that place. I swear there were fewer teeth than people in there. we had a drink, then got the hell out as fast as we could.
 
2013-06-20 10:47:09 PM

Silverstaff: Shazam999: pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

There's lots of places in the USA that still have relatively cheap housing.  Nashville seems to have a lot of cheap homes too.

Yeah, housing costs vary WILDLY in the US between rural and urban areas.  I know that in Kentucky, once you get away from the major metropolitan areas (Louisville, Lexington, Northern KY outskirts of Cincinnati) then it's quite easy to get a 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom house with a decent yard for $50k or less, as long as you're willing to live in small town America.

My wife likes to watch those home-shopping shows on HGTV, and for what they spend on a modest place in some big metropolitan area you could buy (or build) a bona-fide mansion in other parts of the country.  I still boggle to see families on these shows throw around $250k to $300k asking prices for decent homes, when you could get the same house for half that in a city around here, and a third of that in a small town or in the countryside.

Is living in a gigantic major metropolitan area really, REALLY worth that much more compared to a mid-size city or a small town?


We live in NKY just a couple miles from downtown Cincy. Our house has 2 bedrooms/1 bath, basement/garage, and a decent sized yard, cost was $108k. Mrs. Bearcats and I have the same discussion when she watches HGTV. Our house would be like $400k-$500k in the markets on that show, who can justify paying that much just for location?

On TFA, the daughter is CRAZY for turning down that donated money. She lives in the middle of nowhere Ohio, does she really believe she will ever see an offer like that again?
 
2013-06-20 10:48:10 PM

Silverstaff: Is living in a gigantic major metropolitan area really, REALLY worth that much more compared to a mid-size city or a small town?


For a lot of people, yes.  You go where the jobs are.

That number ("a lot - whatever that is") is decreasing, as telecommunications technologies improve.    But still, even when you are primarily telecommuting, location does matter.  Six years ago I moved to the Hartford area because I can get to two major markets (NYC or Boston) for a meeting with under $200 in expensesand still sleep in my bed the same night. If I can pay $500k for a sweet-ass house with a yard for the kids, and another $30k setting it up for "really there" type of telecom like telepresence, that beats the dog-piss out of raising a family in a $750k Brooklyn walkup.

In the short term, that doesn't mean that Kansas is the place to be, though.  No matter the amount of remote shiat you do, there's still the need to go face to face on a regular basis.  If there wasn't, I'd assure you I wouldn't rack up the airline miles that I do, I wouldn't live in an less-expensive-than-DC/NYC/SF-but-still-crazy-expensive-place-by-compa rison-to-most-of-the-country type of place.

Millenials reaching management will absolutely crush the need for any substantial face to face time.  That's another decade or more, though.
 
2013-06-20 11:19:40 PM

Walker: What a coont.


Who raised her to be a coont?
 
2013-06-20 11:24:58 PM

The Southern Dandy: Walker: What a coont.

Who raised her to be a coont?


Her mother.
 
2013-06-20 11:38:36 PM

chaoticcrash: Wow.  Reading more of the story here has me thinking there is a special place reserved in hell for the daughter.  Some things are so simple they are hard to believe.

Parents set up Power of Attorney 'in case' as a responsible move.

Daughter uses this to transfer deed on home to herself, quietly & illegally.

Daughter waits till statute of limitations runs out and moves in for the kill.

Legally, She's in the clear.

Morally, She's a spawn of satan.


Wow. WWII vet. I wonder if he still has that .45 service revolver.
 
2013-06-20 11:41:38 PM

sithon: maybe he's not living safely and she wants him in care. Maybe he was able to convince a naive granddaughter that they were stealing his home when all they really want to do is get him the care he needs.Otherwise why not take the offer of more money than the thing is worth.


Then why counteroffer double the home's worth plus attorney's fees? House is worth $49k, there has been two offers: one of more than $50k and one of $60k--daughter rejected the first, counteroffered $85k plus legal costs, rejected the second with no counter. Presumably she knows that crowdfunding raised more than $139k for the guy. First story indicated she used her POA to put the house in her name and utilize all of his financial resources, which is why the guy is in this position to begin with.

The granddaughter assisting him, IIRC, is the daughter of the woman who has put her father in this position. So yes, there is most likely more to the story...but there is no justification for stealing from the disabled, even if they were horrible when they were able-bodied. My mother was a horrible, abusive woman and just generally an unkind individual--that doesn't give me the right to steal what little she has left now that she is dying.  Surely there is an attorney near this location in Canada who could look into this situation? Because something is not adding up... At the very least, there should be resources to assist with the POA issue. Here in the US, we have many resources to deal with elder/disabled person abuse, particularly when POAs are involved.
 
2013-06-20 11:46:51 PM

justadadX3: Dang - and we just got this new shipment of pitchforks and torches - what are we supposed to do with these now?


Keep them handy. Ya never know when you will need them. Might be tomorrow or next week but soon.
 
2013-06-21 12:06:57 AM

shArkh: Again.

My grandmother took a particularly nasty turn of senile demnetia (violent) and shortly afterwards  :| Grandpa S died.

His will had signed his half over to his daughter, so she had leverage on the house. BECAUSE if she didn't have it, and Grandma S got declared senile by the government / State, we would lose all of it to them to "pay" for her declining issues and care.

But because granny was in wacko-territory, we were the devils incarnate, and she made sure everyone she opened her bloody mouth to knew, even though she got to keep her care AND her money, until the day she bought it because of what we did.

If the daughter's a biatchy-mcbiatchpants, then fair enough form the lynch mob. But I've been on the wrong end of this myself. I can't be this simple. If it is, well. 'murica I guess.


That's quite a bit different from what the daughter did in this case.  He gave her power of attorney for some reason (most likely due to declining health).  She transferred the deed to the house into her name secretly then waited for the statute of limitations to run out and then proceeded to evict him from his home. Now from the current article we see that the grand-daughter raised the funds to buy the house back and offered more than the appraised value of the home but the daughter rejected it and counter offered for even more money.  So she's in it for the money and is the devil incarnate.
 
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