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2013-06-20 04:07:31 PM

WayneKerr: I don't know anything about this but I'm outraged.


I forgot why I was so outraged by this before, which infuriates me

/not sure I want to live to see 92
 
2013-06-20 04:11:10 PM

OtherLittleGuy: whither_apophis: King Lear, 2013 style

Reganomics?


golfclap.gif
 
2013-06-20 04:11:42 PM

nobiology2424: Ok, just to make sure I got it right from the article.  The granddaughter made an offer, and the daughter gave a counter offer of 85,000 plus legal fees?  That seems to move past all the "he's not safe", "he abused her" theories and get back to the daughter just being in it for the money.  She seems happy to sell it back to him, just at nearly double the estimated value (likely because she knows they raised 130k and can afford it).


the main point is, he already owned the farking house !! why is he trying to buy it ?  Just have  the POA and the deed transfer invalidated as fraudulent.  Or use part of the 130+ thousand bucks to disappear this biatch in cement shoes in the mississippi.
 
2013-06-20 04:12:59 PM

Modified Wooden Paper Towel Holder: I guess the rules out the chance that he'll ever tap dat ass again.


Of his daughter?

Are you from West Virginia or something?
 
2013-06-20 04:13:18 PM

TV's Vinnie: There's got to be more to this story than what's been reported. Just what happened to this daughter to make her so filled with hate to evict her elderly father?


The elderly father has been keeping up a barrage of lawsuits to attempt to regain custody of his 63-year old autistic son, Joe, from the daughter & her husband. The daughter is using the house & eviction as leverage to try to make him stop.

Whether or not this is justifiable depends on the nature of the interaction between the grandfather and son. If the daughter feels that this relationship is inappropriate (i.e. the grandfather is incapable of taking care of the autistic son or something even worse may be taking place), then her actions might be justifiable. If it's just to maintain her meal ticket (she's paid by the state as his caretaker), then her actions might be considered unreasonable and "evil".

Unfortunately, there's not mush more information available than this so far.
 
2013-06-20 04:14:04 PM
TheBigJerk:
{Arthur Jumbles: Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.}

We don't know the whole story, maybe the father was an abuser and a rapist and this is the daughter's chance for revenge.

It would HAVE to be something like that for there to be any non-evil reason for her actions.

Or he's nearly non-functional helpless, gets all his food delivered, is constantly demanding help from the family that doesn't live there but refuses to move in with them or move to an assisted-living center, and this is the only way for her to force him to do so.


I'm in my 60's. I live with and am the primary care tender for my 85 year old, disabled mother. I have three siblings who are quite happy to dump the load on me. After my father died decades ago, my Mom cracked up and the family had problems understanding this. I later worked in psychiatry, understood what had happened and attempted to explain it to the family time and time again.

Basically they understood but chose not to accept what had happened. The simple term for this is blocking.

It's hard on a child when a parent falls from grace and turns out to be human after all.

The solution, for them, concerning my mom, is to dump her in a nursing home. She used to work in one as a nursing assistant and the idea of being confined to such a place terrifies her. She built her home with my dad, raised her kids there, is familiar with every nail and crack, knows where she planted long gone flowers years ago and recalls when around her was nothing but wild woods.

She has slept in her and my father's bedroom for decades. She can recount the many parties and holidays that the house hosted over the years and the good and bad times us kids had growing up. Weddings were planned there. Grandchildren played there. Less than expert repairs still hold, done by us boys after Dad died.

The house fits her like an old, comfortable shoe. Decades of beloved pets are buried in the back yard.

When I had to start taking care of her, I decided that she would never go into a nursing home. Later observations and discussions with my siblings made me get a durable power of attorney and I was added to the deed of the house.

As she has grown older, she has gotten sicker. I'm on duty 24/7. We have a medical aid come in 3 times a week. She has been on a food service -- but gave it up because the stuff tasted like crap. I do the cooking -- and she taught me how to cook when I was a kid. She uses a scooter to get around, but needs help getting in and out of it. Her mind is going and she knows it. Most of her friends have died. She went from seeing a physician once a year to seeing a couple monthly.

My control of her resources was implemented to make sure she can not be forced into a nursing home. So, I can understand if the old guy doesn't want to leave his home.

Before most of your times, kids used to take care of their elderly folks. Often, they would rotate through, giving each other a break. They didn't jam maw and paw into a nursing home to slowly rot away. Sometimes the parent would move in with a sibling for a year, then another sibling would take them. Sometimes siblings would move into the parents home for several weeks to care for them, to be replaced by another sibling later. If finances were tight, all of the siblings chipped in and provided assistance.

The dispute between the old guy and his daughter started over care and visitation of his special needs son, whom the daughter has guardianship of. He gave it to her when he felt he was getting too old. From what I understand, she promptly moved the boy out of the house and started restricting the old man's visitation.

She gets any federal or state funds provided for his care.

When the old guy started arguing with her over visitation, she used her previously granted POA to punish him by taking his house away. His other daughter stood up to protect him. The old man has the right to die in his own home that he built with his own hands. He has earned the right to not be warehoused. He survived WW2. He raised his children to adulthood. (The one daughter doesn't look like she's missed many meals in her time.) The love of his life, his wife, died. He took care of his special needs child. In his 90's, he hasn't got that long left. Stressing him out by threatening to take everything he built away is shortening his life even more. His chance of a stroke, IMO, has risen dramatically since the pressure of the fight will raise his blood pressure and his arteries are old.

The fight could wind up reducing him to a paralyzed, drooling old man, whose face droops along one side and he can't talk. If he's lucky, if that happens, his mind will go. If not, then he'll be alert and quite aware that he is a prisoner in a body that no longer functions.

Chances are high that his stubborn daughter could actually be the cause of his death.

The doubling of the price of the house is simple greed. However, this squabble is affecting his health. The 'good' daughter might want to pay the money and stop the fight.

Later, out of view of the old man, she can hire a lawyer and start filing nuisance lawsuits against the other daughter designed to mainly drain her resources.

That happens all the time. She'll have money left over from the donations to do it with.
 
2013-06-20 04:14:22 PM

skozlaw: randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know...

No she doesn't. Why is it any of your farking business and why do you just assume that a 92 year old man you don't know is giving you an accurate accounting of the situation via third parties?

I swear to god sometimes I think Farkers are actually dumber than Youtubers....


If hes unable to care for self or some such You'd think shed goto media to tell her side and not look like the most evil woman since Eva Braun.
 
2013-06-20 04:16:50 PM

slayer199: randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguish.

But until she speaks up, I am going to just assume she is a miserable heartless soul-sucking coont who makes the world a worse place to live in.

Pretty much this.


If this was the case, I am sure the daughter would have told the grand daughter, and she would not be fighting so hard for the man. Simple greed is a more likely scenario. The transfer occurred when Mr. Potters wife was still around. It is not uncommon for older folks to transfer their assets to their children because long term care will use up those assets before any govt assistance is available. Its basically a way to get the gov to pay for the nursing home and the children can retain the parent's assets. The daughter has gotten sick of waiting for him to pass away.
 
2013-06-20 04:20:53 PM

airsupport: Modified Wooden Paper Towel Holder: I guess the rules out the chance that he'll ever tap dat ass again.

Of his daughter?

Are you from West Virginia or something?


It was WW2. Times were different. Boy my grandmother has some crazy stories. Yes, she's from West Virginia.
 
2013-06-20 04:21:03 PM
Having been witness to the shiat women pull in divorces, this doesn't surprise me at all.
 
2013-06-20 04:21:19 PM

Oldiron_79: If hes unable to care for self or some such You'd think shed goto media to tell her side and not look like the most evil woman since Eva Braun.


Which brings me back to:

Why is it any of your damn business? I wouldn't go to the media to placate you if I were in that situation. If I were in that situation you could go fark yourself for all I care, I'm not going to waste my precious time "telling my side" just because you're impressionable enough that you'll leap across the entire conclusions mat as long as somebody throws the word "veteran" in there somewhere.

When you want to put somebody in assisted living, you have to pay for that. If the person has no liquid assets, you have to liquidate their property. You have to burn through all their assets before Medicare will help.

It is entirely plausible that she is liquidating the property to pay for care.

But, no, let's just assume she's a raging biatch because why the fark not, right?
 
2013-06-20 04:22:01 PM
I can see this as an ultimate "FARK YOU!" for years of abuse ot possibly an attempt to force him into a place to get care.

But damn, if this just doesn't feel like she's being an evil coont.
 
2013-06-20 04:26:06 PM

Shazam999: SirEattonHogg: shazam999:
Yeah pretty much.  I wouldn't mind living in a place like that though other than the whiteys might kill my ass.


Doesn't bother my folks and we aint whitey-ish.  We're orientals.

Can I say that?

Where are you?  I'm always wary of the "south" because holy fark American racists really like to espouse their racism.


I'm from rural Georgia, and while I know plenty of people that say a lot of racist things, I don't think any of them are actually racist, it's more of a joke in poor taste or a strange kind of being ironic. I have been known to associate with some severe rednecks, but in all honesty, none of them cares anything about skin color, especially when working or drinking...

/it's not so bad
//come have a beer
 
2013-06-20 04:27:00 PM

skozlaw: Oldiron_79: If hes unable to care for self or some such You'd think shed goto media to tell her side and not look like the most evil woman since Eva Braun.

Which brings me back to:

Why is it any of your damn business? I wouldn't go to the media to placate you if I were in that situation. If I were in that situation you could go fark yourself for all I care, I'm not going to waste my precious time "telling my side" just because you're impressionable enough that you'll leap across the entire conclusions mat as long as somebody throws the word "veteran" in there somewhere.

When you want to put somebody in assisted living, you have to pay for that. If the person has no liquid assets, you have to liquidate their property. You have to burn through all their assets before Medicare will help.

It is entirely plausible that she is liquidating the property to pay for care.

But, no, let's just assume she's a raging biatch because why the fark not, right?


She transferred the assets to her name, 9 years ago. Medicare only looks back 3-5 years.
 
2013-06-20 04:27:46 PM
Dudes 92, I bet shes kicking him out and right into a nursing home. And the only way she can do that is force him out. Its the only thing that makes sense other than the "he abused her, she hates him" theory.
 
2013-06-20 04:29:23 PM

skozlaw: randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know...

No she doesn't. Why is it any of your farking business and why do you just assume that a 92 year old man you don't know is giving you an accurate accounting of the situation via third parties?

I swear to god sometimes I think Farkers are actually dumber than Youtubers....


This! The only reason the story became public in the first place was to raise money. She doesn't have to say anything. However, she (well, her husband) actually did:

"His daughter and son-in-law say the dispute is over visitation rights for Potter's other child who as Autism.
"For him to stay in that home it is real simple leave Joe alone and stop the lawsuits," said the son-in-law, Dean Cottrill.  - http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/297517/45/Elderly-WW-II-veteran-face s -eviction-due-to-family-feud

Joe is the autistic son.
 
2013-06-20 04:30:53 PM

brap: She will wake up tomorrow...universally loathed


I read the article 10 seconds ago, and I couldn't tell you her name. I best most people that read it couldn't. And most people won't even read the article.

So, I wouldn't be losing any sleep over being universally loathed if I was in her shoes.
 
2013-06-20 04:31:18 PM

skozlaw: It is entirely plausible that she is liquidating the property to pay for care.


LOL!  There is nothing that makes that sound even remotely plausible.
 
2013-06-20 04:32:04 PM
to add another half remember fact check to the list...

wasnt the big crux of all this that Daughter in question became the primary caregiver to her disabled brother after the Father was no longer able, and when she went to the family for help they basically said "He is your problem now" and tried to shut the both of them out..

but anyways, having seen simular family feuds in the past i am believing the "True" story is both partys are stubborn as fark and where unwilling to back down once the ball is rolling. But i will say no 92 year old man should be living alone in a house no matter who built it
 
2013-06-20 04:32:23 PM
There is no such thing as karma.

No Heaven.  No Hell.  Good people live lives of hardship and die in pain, while bad people live lives of comfort and joy, and die warm, content, comfortable and regretting nothing.

How you learn to live with this is up to you.
 
2013-06-20 04:33:04 PM

pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.


Everyone wants to live in the Paradise That Is Baltimore. No one lives here in Ohio by choice. Supply and demand.
http://crimebaltimore.com/
 
2013-06-20 04:35:15 PM

JWideman: skozlaw: randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know...

No she doesn't. Why is it any of your farking business and why do you just assume that a 92 year old man you don't know is giving you an accurate accounting of the situation via third parties?

I swear to god sometimes I think Farkers are actually dumber than Youtubers....

This! The only reason the story became public in the first place was to raise money. She doesn't have to say anything. However, she (well, her husband) actually did:

"His daughter and son-in-law say the dispute is over visitation rights for Potter's other child who as Autism.
"For him to stay in that home it is real simple leave Joe alone and stop the lawsuits," said the son-in-law, Dean Cottrill.  - http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/297517/45/Elderly-WW-II-veteran-face s -eviction-due-to-family-feud

Joe is the autistic son.


The couple illegally used their POA to transfer the property.  Fark them!
 
2013-06-20 04:35:55 PM

redTiburon: pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

Everyone wants to live in the Paradise That Is Baltimore. No one lives here in Ohio by choice. Supply and demand.
http://crimebaltimore.com/


its all about the COL in different areas. Here on the Mississippi coast, i could take 30k today and buy a ~nice 2 bedroom house or have most of a Condo paid off if i want
 
2013-06-20 04:37:25 PM
I understand that the statute of limitations is out on the transfer, but can the daughter be charged with simple fraud?
 
2013-06-20 04:39:44 PM
Somebody is going to burn it to the ground with her in it, just watch.
 
2013-06-20 04:42:40 PM

TortureSteak: Shazam999: SirEattonHogg: shazam999:
Yeah pretty much.  I wouldn't mind living in a place like that though other than the whiteys might kill my ass.


Doesn't bother my folks and we aint whitey-ish.  We're orientals.

Can I say that?

Where are you?  I'm always wary of the "south" because holy fark American racists really like to espouse their racism.

I'm from rural Georgia, and while I know plenty of people that say a lot of racist things, I don't think any of them are actually racist, it's more of a joke in poor taste or a strange kind of being ironic. I have been known to associate with some severe rednecks, but in all honesty, none of them cares anything about skin color, especially when working or drinking...

/it's not so bad
//come have a beer


Well, I suppose the people that come up to me and say ho much they hate chinks are, in fact, racists, but hey maybe it is irony.
 
2013-06-20 04:43:48 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: At least the granddaughter seems like a pretty awesome person.  sigh.

brap: She thinks she's "won."

She will wake up tomorrow not only universally loathed as the symbol of greed but worse yet, she will wake up with a house in Ohio.
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Because in Ohio, they will kidnap you and chain you in the basement to keep you there.
 
2013-06-20 04:45:00 PM
Was she staying inside of him with her cell phone and poking cruel jokes while he was trying to do serious work.
 
2013-06-20 04:45:40 PM
My folks had a neighbor they were kind and nice too but her children were vultures circling her house. She wanted to write my folks into her will and give them everything but these kids probably would have launched a massive lawsuit.
 
2013-06-20 04:46:00 PM
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2013-06-20 04:47:26 PM
I'm not a math wizard or anything, but I think 85k is less than 139k.
Why was the counter-offer rejected? You received donations from strangers specifically to buy that house and you turned down the chance to buy it.
It's a terrible story, but that part of it is sticking out to me. If I had donated towards that goal, I'd be a little annoyed.
 
2013-06-20 04:47:59 PM

Arthur Jumbles: Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.

We don't know the whole story, maybe the father was an abuser and a rapist and this is the daughter's chance for revenge.


Oh, for fark sake, you've got to be kidding me.
 
2013-06-20 04:48:23 PM

leonel: My folks had a neighbor they were kind and nice too but her children were vultures circling her house. She wanted to write my folks into her will and give them everything but these kids probably would have launched a massive lawsuit.


when not inside of a family, your only geting a fraction of the whole story
 
2013-06-20 04:54:27 PM

randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguist.

But until she speaks up, I am going to just assume she is a miserable heartless soul-sucking coont who makes the world a worse place to live in.


I think you have that mixed up.  Because...for all we know, she's a miserable little coont that scammed her father out of his house that he built with his own hands.  Until proven otherwise, that's the facts we're dealing with her.  Folks need to stop speculating on why HE MAY HAVE DESERVED THIS.  Otherwise known as "victim blaming."
 
2013-06-20 04:55:35 PM
In case anyone was wondering:

https://www.facebook.com/janice.cottrill.7/about

out of use for some time, apparently
 
2013-06-20 04:56:44 PM
Scam.

2nd warning.
 
2013-06-20 04:57:01 PM

ramblinwreck: randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguist.

But until she speaks up, I am going to just assume she is a miserable heartless soul-sucking coont who makes the world a worse place to live in.

I think you have that mixed up.  Because...for all we know, she's a miserable little coont that scammed her father out of his house that he built with his own hands.  Until proven otherwise, that's the facts we're dealing with her.  Folks need to stop speculating on why HE MAY HAVE DESERVED THIS.  Otherwise known as "victim blaming."


by your logic there is no point to even comment on this

this is the internet, we debate and live on what ifs
 
2013-06-20 04:59:41 PM
How in the hell did the "house he built with his own hands" wind up in someone else's name?

She raised $130k for this and didn't just over pay?

He's 92, send him to someplace in Costa Rica with that $130k.
 
2013-06-20 05:09:03 PM

RINO: I understand that the statute of limitations is out on the transfer, but can the daughter be charged with simple fraud?


I don't think there is anything stopping him from filing a civil suit against her. Well, other than having to pay an attorney.
 
2013-06-20 05:11:05 PM

ramblinwreck: randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguist.

But until she speaks up, I am going to just assume she is a miserable heartless soul-sucking coont who makes the world a worse place to live in.

I think you have that mixed up.  Because...for all we know, she's a miserable little coont that scammed her father out of his house that he built with his own hands.  Until proven otherwise, that's the facts we're dealing with her.  Folks need to stop speculating on why HE MAY HAVE DESERVED THIS.  Otherwise known as "victim blaming."



Your reading comprehension needs a lot of work.  UNTIL she speaks up I assume she's at fault and a horrible person. If she speaks up and has a legitimate excuse, that'll perhaps put things in a different perspective.
 
2013-06-20 05:11:22 PM

wildcardjack: How in the hell did the "house he built with his own hands" wind up in someone else's name?

She raised $130k for this and didn't just over pay?

He's 92, send him to someplace in Costa Rica with that $130k.


The daughter illegally used her POA to transfer the title.  Court ruled against her.  Appeals court ruled in her favor based on statute of limitations.

Someone quite literally steals your home right out from under you and you want to pay them up to 400% of its actual value to get it back?  Well, you go right ahead, pal!
 
2013-06-20 05:12:54 PM

dahuka: In case anyone was wondering:

https://www.facebook.com/janice.cottrill.7/about

out of use for some time, apparently


Out of use but it does say that she got married on 8/1/2010 ... coincidentally, past articles about this story have noted that it was late 2010 when the daughter began trying to get her father moved into a nursing home.
 
2013-06-20 05:12:59 PM
There is always more to these stories.  He didn't actually build the house but won it on a crooked 50s game show.
 
2013-06-20 05:13:01 PM

TortureSteak: I don't think any of them are actually racist, it's more of a joke in poor taste or a strange kind of being ironic


There are degrees of racism, and not every racist is a hood-wearing member of the KKK determined to start a race war.
 
2013-06-20 05:14:25 PM

Mimic_Octopus: nobiology2424: Ok, just to make sure I got it right from the article.  The granddaughter made an offer, and the daughter gave a counter offer of 85,000 plus legal fees?  That seems to move past all the "he's not safe", "he abused her" theories and get back to the daughter just being in it for the money.  She seems happy to sell it back to him, just at nearly double the estimated value (likely because she knows they raised 130k and can afford it).

the main point is, he already owned the farking house !! why is he trying to buy it ?  Just have  the POA and the deed transfer invalidated as fraudulent.  Or use part of the 130+ thousand bucks to disappear this biatch in cement shoes in the mississippi.


They tried to have it invalidated, but it's past the statute of limitations.  She transferred the deed back in like 2004 and hid the transfer until the statute of limitations past and then filed for eviction.

   / Which makes me think there should be laws surrounding power of attorney that say the person with PoA can't transfer any property if the person they have PoA for is still able to make decisions of this nature.
 
2013-06-20 05:15:51 PM

domine: dahuka: In case anyone was wondering:

https://www.facebook.com/janice.cottrill.7/about

out of use for some time, apparently

Out of use but it does say that she got married on 8/1/2010 ... coincidentally, past articles about this story have noted that it was late 2010 when the daughter began trying to get her father moved into a nursing home.


Hmmm.
Maybe a clash between new husband/autistic brother and the father wanted them to drive the brother to see him constantly but the daughter didn't want too because the brother was very hostile and the father said bring him anyways and that's when the fight started?
 
2013-06-20 05:18:21 PM

vrax: JWideman: skozlaw: randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know...

No she doesn't. Why is it any of your farking business and why do you just assume that a 92 year old man you don't know is giving you an accurate accounting of the situation via third parties?

I swear to god sometimes I think Farkers are actually dumber than Youtubers....

This! The only reason the story became public in the first place was to raise money. She doesn't have to say anything. However, she (well, her husband) actually did:

"His daughter and son-in-law say the dispute is over visitation rights for Potter's other child who as Autism.
"For him to stay in that home it is real simple leave Joe alone and stop the lawsuits," said the son-in-law, Dean Cottrill.  - http://www.wkyc.com/news/article/297517/45/Elderly-WW-II-veteran-face s -eviction-due-to-family-feud

Joe is the autistic son.

The couple illegally used their POA to transfer the property.  Fark them!


Sometimes what is right isn't what is legal, and vise versa. We don't know why there is a custody battle in the first place and likely never will.
 
2013-06-20 05:19:58 PM
I found this version of the article helpful:

http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1332235
 
2013-06-20 05:21:12 PM
Being a war vet doesn't make you a perfect person. Sounds like his daughter just hates his guts.
 
2013-06-20 05:22:10 PM

Shazam999: TortureSteak: Shazam999: SirEattonHogg: shazam999:
Yeah pretty much.  I wouldn't mind living in a place like that though other than the whiteys might kill my ass.


Doesn't bother my folks and we aint whitey-ish.  We're orientals.

Can I say that?

Where are you?  I'm always wary of the "south" because holy fark American racists really like to espouse their racism.

I'm from rural Georgia, and while I know plenty of people that say a lot of racist things, I don't think any of them are actually racist, it's more of a joke in poor taste or a strange kind of being ironic. I have been known to associate with some severe rednecks, but in all honesty, none of them cares anything about skin color, especially when working or drinking...

/it's not so bad
//come have a beer

Well, I suppose the people that come up to me and say ho much they hate chinks are, in fact, racists, but hey maybe it is irony.


Yikes, that sucks, are you in the south? Well, yeah...no, the kind of person that will go out of their way to tell someone that they hate them because of their race is probably not being ironic.  However, those people are the minority, they are getting fewer with every generation, and they are generally socially disdained, even among other rednecks.  It's really satisfying when you hear a thick, southern drawl say "get that racist asshole outta here"  There was a Chinese exchange student at my high school, and I remember him going absolutely nuts over the whole confederate culture thing--seriously, this kid had more confederate flag t-shirts, coffee mugs, key chains, and stickers than any white guy I've ever met, and he was always wanting to practice his southern accent with people....
 
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