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2013-06-20 03:01:40 PM
I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.
 
2013-06-20 03:03:03 PM
I thought power of attorney was meant to provide benefit to the principal, not to allow his agent to steal from him. If she is stealing from him, can't the granddaughter get a court to intervene? If she is not stealing from him, why is the news only showing one side of the story? Stupid news.
 
2013-06-20 03:03:08 PM

shArkh: Again.

My grandmother took a particularly nasty turn of senile demnetia (violent) and shortly afterwards  :| Grandpa S died.

His will had signed his half over to his daughter, so she had leverage on the house. BECAUSE if she didn't have it, and Grandma S got declared senile by the government / State, we would lose all of it to them to "pay" for her declining issues and care.

But because granny was in wacko-territory, we were the devils incarnate, and she made sure everyone she opened her bloody mouth to knew, even though she got to keep her care AND her money, until the day she bought it because of what we did.

If the daughter's a biatchy-mcbiatchpants, then fair enough form the lynch mob. But I've been on the wrong end of this myself. I can't be this simple. If it is, well. 'murica I guess.


Having witnessed similar family drama (not in my family, thank God, but in a friend's), THIS. We have no idea what's going on here, especially as there was apparently some attendant drama involving the care of an autistic son. It could be the daughter is evil. It could be that her father is a senile crank who refuses to believe that he can't care for himself. There could be disputes about where the money for the autistic son's care should come from. We're seeing so little of the story that making sweeping judgements is useless.
 
2013-06-20 03:06:48 PM

chaoticcrash: Consult with an attorney.  Immediately.


K thanks.
 
2013-06-20 03:07:39 PM

pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.


There's lots of places in the USA that still have relatively cheap housing.  Nashville seems to have a lot of cheap homes too.
 
2013-06-20 03:08:02 PM
Honestly, I respect the daughter more for not being an attention whore about it.
 
2013-06-20 03:08:04 PM

Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.


Came here to say this.
 
2013-06-20 03:09:19 PM

randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguist.

But until she speaks up, I am going to just assume she is a miserable heartless soul-sucking coont who makes the world a worse place to live in.


Like she gives two shiats what you think of her.
 
2013-06-20 03:10:35 PM
As the eldest child of a 82 year old mother, let me say that this is one of those stories that probably has a lot more to it than what being written in the press.
 
2013-06-20 03:11:10 PM

pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.


There aren't many condos where you are.
 
2013-06-20 03:14:21 PM

RenownedCurator: shArkh: Again.

My grandmother took a particularly nasty turn of senile demnetia (violent) and shortly afterwards  :| Grandpa S died.

His will had signed his half over to his daughter, so she had leverage on the house. BECAUSE if she didn't have it, and Grandma S got declared senile by the government / State, we would lose all of it to them to "pay" for her declining issues and care.

But because granny was in wacko-territory, we were the devils incarnate, and she made sure everyone she opened her bloody mouth to knew, even though she got to keep her care AND her money, until the day she bought it because of what we did.

If the daughter's a biatchy-mcbiatchpants, then fair enough form the lynch mob. But I've been on the wrong end of this myself. I can't be this simple. If it is, well. 'murica I guess.

Having witnessed similar family drama (not in my family, thank God, but in a friend's), THIS. We have no idea what's going on here, especially as there was apparently some attendant drama involving the care of an autistic son. It could be the daughter is evil. It could be that her father is a senile crank who refuses to believe that he can't care for himself. There could be disputes about where the money for the autistic son's care should come from. We're seeing so little of the story that making sweeping judgements is useless.


YOU!  Take your reasonableness and get the FARK OUT OF HERE!  NOW!  We have outrage to enjoy and you're killing out party, you ungrateful schmuck.
 
2013-06-20 03:14:46 PM
Janice Cotrill is a horrible person.
 
2013-06-20 03:15:02 PM
DIAF coont
 
2013-06-20 03:15:53 PM

pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.


And (just playing devil's advocate here) what is the appraised value of the condo versus the cost of the condo?

/Not up on ANY real estate policies and procedures, let alone how they set the cost for specific property types.
//Going with the 'not enough data' excuse
 
2013-06-20 03:16:43 PM

James!: Serious Black: James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything.  This whole thing was dumb from the start.

We're only getting the granddaughter's side since her mother won't talk to the media about it.

So why aren't we getting the daughter's side? There certainly could be some reasons why she would want to dump him on the street. But in the absence of any statement as to why she's doing it, all we can do is speculate, and Occam's razor suggests that she's the queen of the harpies.

Maybe she doesn't want her personal family shiat dragged through the media?  Who knows it's her business.  Assuming guilt just because she won't make a spectacle of herself on youtube is shiatty.


some other articles say she was trying to get him moved to a nursing home a few years back.

Maybe she's not just evil/vindictive(she could be, but maybe she's not). People that have differing opinion, even difficult ones are not always evil and vindictive. Older people often have stages, sometimes they appear fine and competant, and others they are eating dog food and using pepto bismol as sauce for ice cream.Even at near full mental competance,  Many older people do not properly eat meals, care for themselves,properly  take meds. Maybe to ensure his safety someone constantly had to run errands for him, cook meals, do laundry etc, and even that is not a surefire safety measure. I've seen a lot of people have to be moved into nursing facilities, and quite often  these people will fight and argue and accuse their children of betraying them. They don't realize they're no longer competant, even though they used hair spray as cooking oil and left the potentially explosive canister on the stove while they fried their chicken. Sometimes it's just a matter of them being falls risks. Bones breaks or getting stuck when they kneel/squat is quite common. there is a part of this story we do not know, and frankly I think more than enough money has been thrown at this problem.
 
2013-06-20 03:17:33 PM

randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguist.


So she made sure to maintain a relationship with him, enough to get power of attorney, and then had the amazing patience to wait until he was 92... then BAM!  Her revenge!
???
I guess she couldn't wait until he was 102.
 
2013-06-20 03:20:55 PM

Carn: Roger Zalinski, the auto parts king?


I was going with this one


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2013-06-20 03:21:05 PM
I wonder if she paid taxes on the transfer of the asset. Anyone here from the IRS?
 
2013-06-20 03:21:12 PM

octopied: James!: Serious Black: James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything.  This whole thing was dumb from the start.

We're only getting the granddaughter's side since her mother won't talk to the media about it.

So why aren't we getting the daughter's side? There certainly could be some reasons why she would want to dump him on the street. But in the absence of any statement as to why she's doing it, all we can do is speculate, and Occam's razor suggests that she's the queen of the harpies.

Maybe she doesn't want her personal family shiat dragged through the media?  Who knows it's her business.  Assuming guilt just because she won't make a spectacle of herself on youtube is shiatty.

some other articles say she was trying to get him moved to a nursing home a few years back.

Maybe she's not just evil/vindictive(she could be, but maybe she's not). People that have differing opinion, even difficult ones are not always evil and vindictive. Older people often have stages, sometimes they appear fine and competant, and others they are eating dog food and using pepto bismol as sauce for ice cream.Even at near full mental competance,  Many older people do not properly eat meals, care for themselves,properly  take meds. Maybe to ensure his safety someone constantly had to run errands for him, cook meals, do laundry etc, and even that is not a surefire safety measure. I've seen a lot of people have to be moved into nursing facilities, and quite often  these people will fight and argue and accuse their children of betraying them. They don't realize they're no longer competant, even though they used hair spray as cooking oil and left the potentially explosive canister on the stove while they fried their chicken. Sometimes it's just a matter of them being falls risks. Bones breaks or getting stuck when they kneel/squat is quite common. there is a part of this story we do not know, and frankly I think more than enough money h ...


Pepto bismol might actually be a pretty good topping for ice cream if you're lactose intolerant.
 
2013-06-20 03:21:32 PM
octopied:
there is a part of this story we do not know, and frankly I think more than enough money h ...

No, there isn't.
She always has the option of just taking the money for the house...(or being a moral person and give it back to him)...  and just forget about him and move on with her life.
She isn't trying to put him in a home, or care for him... she and her husband are just petty, horrible people.

Again, she could just stay out of his life completely.
 
2013-06-20 03:21:38 PM

RenownedCurator: We have no idea what's going on here, especially as there was apparently some attendant drama involving the care of an autistic son.


Yeah. I was all ready to be outraged until I saw that bit. Frankly even what very little I know about special care, it's a farking nightmare for everyone and you can't tell who's trying to do the right thing because it can look the opposite on paper.
 
2013-06-20 03:21:59 PM

ChipNASA: Carn: Roger Zalinski, the auto parts king?

I was going with this one


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Oh well played.
 
2013-06-20 03:23:06 PM
Maybe the guy needs help, and the daughter wants him in a home. He won't go, so her maybe her counter-offer is high enough to cover the house and the few years' worth of in-home care he might need. Maybe she's quiet about all this because she'd rather be seen as the bad guy by a bunch of strangers than have her father lose his dignity if she's forced to tell the media how he forgets to eat, shiats his pants, lives in filth, etc. Like the 2nd Batman movie -- be the bad guy if it means good stuff gets done.

I'm not saying I know that any of that is true. But having seen what my grandfather went through before we were finally able to get him into full-time care, I'm not ready to write it off. I'm sure my grandfather had some pretty evil things to say about my father when were trying to save his home from foreclosure, trying to get him in to see doctors, etc.

Of course, if she's just greedy, fark her.
 
2013-06-20 03:24:31 PM

Magnus: RenownedCurator: shArkh: Again.

My grandmother took a particularly nasty turn of senile demnetia (violent) and shortly afterwards  :| Grandpa S died.

His will had signed his half over to his daughter, so she had leverage on the house. BECAUSE if she didn't have it, and Grandma S got declared senile by the government / State, we would lose all of it to them to "pay" for her declining issues and care.

But because granny was in wacko-territory, we were the devils incarnate, and she made sure everyone she opened her bloody mouth to knew, even though she got to keep her care AND her money, until the day she bought it because of what we did.

If the daughter's a biatchy-mcbiatchpants, then fair enough form the lynch mob. But I've been on the wrong end of this myself. I can't be this simple. If it is, well. 'murica I guess.

Having witnessed similar family drama (not in my family, thank God, but in a friend's), THIS. We have no idea what's going on here, especially as there was apparently some attendant drama involving the care of an autistic son. It could be the daughter is evil. It could be that her father is a senile crank who refuses to believe that he can't care for himself. There could be disputes about where the money for the autistic son's care should come from. We're seeing so little of the story that making sweeping judgements is useless.

YOU!  Take your reasonableness and get the FARK OUT OF HERE!  NOW!  We have outrage to enjoy and you're killing out party, you ungrateful schmuck.


The worst farking thing you can ever experience is having family spin this crap out on you. Poor little old lady/man, boohoo. Being old doesn't make them derp. It gives them an extra 30+ years on pulling the wool over your eyes.

Not saying grandpa here might not have a case! Not at all. /reason. But he might be smiling stupidly for the camera and lending 90 years of brain to getting what he thinks he wants. I've lived it, it sucks balls for everyone involved. It shouldn't make it to the news. I mean come on.
 
2013-06-20 03:25:30 PM

pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.


3x?? You can't buy property here for less than a gillion times that. I live on the moon biatch!
 
2013-06-20 03:25:51 PM
i hope the public collectively shiats on her life as proper compensation for this action.  the courts can't do it but if she loses all her friends and some family over it i'll consider it partially just.  every family needs a black sheep to be ashamed of.
 
2013-06-20 03:26:06 PM
While there are exceptions, it's the law, there are always exceptions, as a general rule if you give someone a POA they have the right to make your decision for you in the areas described in the POA until you revoke the power. It is a very powerful tool. If someone misuses one; well lets just say its not always easy or possible to put the horse back in the barn, espically after the POA sold it.
 
2013-06-20 03:26:49 PM
Daughter reminds me of this woman (they're both a complete waste of oxygen):
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2013-06-20 03:29:24 PM
Shazam999:  pho75   I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

There's lots of places in the USA that still have relatively cheap housing.  Nashville seems to have a lot of cheap homes too.


Location.  Location.  Location.  Plenty of stuff in that price range in "fly over" country.

Parents own an okay 3 bedroom house with garage and (small) yard, they can only sell for 80.  Okay decent clean working class area.

Just have to like living in a 10 - 20k pop community in the middle of bumblefark, Wisconsin.
 
2013-06-20 03:32:55 PM
Old dude must have done something very bad to her.
 
2013-06-20 03:34:55 PM

Narnboy: pho75: I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

And (just playing devil's advocate here) what is the appraised value of the condo versus the cost of the condo?

/Not up on ANY real estate policies and procedures, let alone how they set the cost for specific property types.
//Going with the 'not enough data' excuse


Zaleski is just about the most backwater hell in Appalachian Ohio ... it's outside of Athens, in the middle of gawdforsakennowheresville ... it's also in Vinton County, like the 2nd poorest of the 88 in Ohio. 

However, that being said, under $50k is pretty normal for much of non-urban Ohio ... hell, even in urban Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Columbus, $50k will buy you a pre-WW2 home in the city proper.

Some of you people need to get the fark out of whatever high-priced hell hole you're living in and get out and see the rest of the country.  Hell, for $50k, I could buy a 20 acre parcel here in Geauga County.
 
2013-06-20 03:35:01 PM

whither_apophis: King Lear, 2013 style


Reganomics?
 
2013-06-20 03:35:23 PM

SirEattonHogg: Shazam999:  pho75   I am shocked that you can buy a house for that little anywhere in this country. You can't buy a condo where I am for 3x that.

There's lots of places in the USA that still have relatively cheap housing.  Nashville seems to have a lot of cheap homes too.


Location.  Location.  Location.  Plenty of stuff in that price range in "fly over" country.

Parents own an okay 3 bedroom house with garage and (small) yard, they can only sell for 80.  Okay decent clean working class area.

Just have to like living in a 10 - 20k pop community in the middle of bumblefark, Wisconsin.


Yeah pretty much.  I wouldn't mind living in a place like that though other than the whiteys might kill my ass.
 
2013-06-20 03:36:30 PM
 Zaleski, Ohio, is just south of Lancaster, so house is probably only worth $35K. South of Hooterville and east of Mayberry.
 
2013-06-20 03:38:19 PM
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Mr Potter to be evicted?  Unlikely.

 
2013-06-20 03:38:58 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if it's as simple as he can't take care of himself, none of the family is willing to move in with him, they want him to move in with them or into an assisted care facility, and he's being a typical senior who simply wants to stay in their home but is ignoring the realities of the situation.
 
2013-06-20 03:48:00 PM

James!: serial_crusher: I would be interested in hearing the daughter's side of the story.  Only possible reason I could think of to do something like that is to pressure the old guy to move into the old folks home you think he needs to be in, but the fact that she initially gave him a counter-offer makes me doubt it's anything like that.

She's probably got a deal with some crooked land developer who's trying to turn the whole block into upscale condos and this guy is the last hold out.  Might have to call the A-Team on this one.

James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything. This whole thing was dumb from the start

It's not so much that she refused to sell it as it is that she apparently obtained the property as a result of him giving her power of attorney for whatever reason.

That's pretty common though.


Yea, my in-laws have given my wife power of attorney even though they are both pretty healthy and only in their early 70s.
 
2013-06-20 03:51:19 PM
He should offer to buy the houses on either side of his with the money he raised and never cut the grass, park broken down cars in the grass, buy roosters, and poop in the yards. I suppose if he was really an evil rapist a-hole he's thought of this already.
 
2013-06-20 03:52:16 PM

special20: Old dude must have done something very bad to her.


Call me crazy, but based on the fact that he gave her POA, she misused it, the rest of the family tried to turn things back in his favor and the granddaughter (biatch's daughter) is trying to help him in any way she can, I'm going to take his side for now.

I'm also guessing that she's collecting some sort of disability check for her autistic brother whom she assumed custody of and would no longer allow Potter to visit.  Just a guess though.
 
2013-06-20 03:53:19 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Odds are he was an asshole as a dad but she chose to become an evil biatch.  I doubt either side can be supported without stepping knee deep in bullshiat.


Why does everything have to turn into Syria?
 
2013-06-20 03:53:50 PM

TheBigJerk: Blues_X: Arthur Jumbles: Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.

We don't know the whole story, maybe the father was an abuser and a rapist and this is the daughter's chance for revenge.

It would HAVE to be something like that for there to be any non-evil reason for her actions.

Or he's nearly non-functional helpless, gets all his food delivered, is constantly demanding help from the family that doesn't live there but refuses to move in with them or move to an assisted-living center, and this is the only way for her to force him to do so.


Yeah, I'm with you,  the big jerk, the grandpa is most likely just a sponge suckling off the gub'mint's teet.  Plus, he's a former politician.  There's no telling what sins he committed in his past.
 
2013-06-20 03:55:38 PM
shazam999:
Yeah pretty much.  I wouldn't mind living in a place like that though other than the whiteys might kill my ass.


Doesn't bother my folks and we aint whitey-ish.  We're orientals.

Can I say that?
 
2013-06-20 03:56:47 PM

randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know...


No she doesn't. Why is it any of your farking business and why do you just assume that a 92 year old man you don't know is giving you an accurate accounting of the situation via third parties?

I swear to god sometimes I think Farkers are actually dumber than Youtubers....
 
2013-06-20 03:58:23 PM
There's got to be more to this story than what's been reported. Just what happened to this daughter to make her so filled with hate to evict her elderly father?
 
2013-06-20 03:58:36 PM

SirEattonHogg: shazam999:
Yeah pretty much.  I wouldn't mind living in a place like that though other than the whiteys might kill my ass.


Doesn't bother my folks and we aint whitey-ish.  We're orientals.

Can I say that?


Where are you?  I'm always wary of the "south" because holy fark American racists really like to espouse their racism.
 
2013-06-20 04:01:17 PM

Wodan11: Wouldn't surprise me if it's as simple as he can't take care of himself, none of the family is willing to move in with him, they want him to move in with them or into an assisted care facility, and he's being a typical senior who simply wants to stay in their home but is ignoring the realities of the situation.


Which is exactly what happened with my 89 year old grandmother. You'd think the entire family that had cared for her the prior 19 years had suddenly turned into SUPERROBOHITLER the way she acted but there was no other choice. We couldn't supply 24/7 care for her and she had several cardiac episodes in the prior months, had stopped paying her bills, wasn't taking care of herself or the house and was stashing half-eaten cans of goddamn tuna all over the place. It was either force her into assisted care or let her virtually rot to death in her own filth.

I'm sure if that's what's happening - and with his age odds are pretty good that's it - the daughter probably feels really great about all the idiots on the internet being shaitheels about it to boot. Because it's not hard enough knowing you're doing what's necessary and taking the abuse for it from family members as it is.
 
2013-06-20 04:01:24 PM

Babwa Wawa: nobiology2424: Ok, just to make sure I got it right from the article.  The granddaughter made an offer, and the daughter gave a counter offer of 85,000 plus legal fees?  That seems to move past all the "he's not safe", "he abused her" theories and get back to the daughter just being in it for the money.  She seems happy to sell it back to him, just at nearly double the estimated value (likely because she knows they raised 130k and can afford it).

serial_crusher: the fact that she initially gave him a counter-offer makes me doubt it's anything like that.

James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything.

IANAL, but I'd imagine that there are laws against choosing to a specific person to whom to sell your house.  Specifically, there are things in the fair housing act that prohibit discrimination based on familial status.  Discrimination against the family members was not the intent of the act, but her denying to sell to him because he is who he is could very well be interpreted as in violation of the law.


I don't think there's any risk of that. I get the impression the house was never officially for sale/on the market. Unless the property is officially 'listed', I don't think any of those laws apply.
 
2013-06-20 04:01:54 PM

skozlaw: randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know...

No she doesn't. Why is it any of your farking business and why do you just assume that a 92 year old man you don't know is giving you an accurate accounting of the situation via third parties?

I swear to god sometimes I think Farkers are actually dumber than Youtubers....


The court found her guilty of illegally transferring the property.  The appeals court overturned the ruling based of the statute of limitations.  She's a shady biatch!
 
2013-06-20 04:01:54 PM
It is claimed in another article that the daughter is selling off parcels of hunting property (non-adjacent to that parcel on which the house is located) also deeded to her by her as POA. Further, it is claimed that she would accept $85,000, but not $65,000 to sell it back to her father (with a $45,000 appraisal in hand). If these claims are factual, it should not be difficult (even for the Farkers claiming childhood rape) to infer her true motivation in this scheme.
 
2013-06-20 04:02:03 PM
I guess the rules out the chance that he'll ever tap dat ass again.
 
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