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(Sun News Network)   The 92-year-old war vet has been evicted from the house he built because his daughter rejected his offer to buy the house above market value   (sunnewsnetwork.ca) divider line 222
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2013-06-20 12:35:50 PM
King Lear, 2013 style
 
2013-06-20 12:49:21 PM
I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.
 
2013-06-20 01:03:40 PM

Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.


We don't know the whole story, maybe the father was an abuser and a rapist and this is the daughter's chance for revenge.
 
2013-06-20 01:10:14 PM

Arthur Jumbles: Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.

We don't know the whole story, maybe the father was an abuser and a rapist and this is the daughter's chance for revenge.


It would HAVE to be something like that for there to be any non-evil reason for her actions.
 
2013-06-20 01:45:09 PM
I recall this story hitting Fark a while ago (or perhaps it was somewhere else) and there definitely feels like there's more to it than meets the eye.
 
2013-06-20 01:57:52 PM
What a coont.
 
2013-06-20 01:59:58 PM
Again?
 
2013-06-20 02:02:26 PM
maybe he's not living safely and she wants him in care. Maybe he was able to convince a naive granddaughter that they were stealing his home when all they really want to do is get him the care he needs.Otherwise why not take the offer of more money than the thing is worth.
 
2013-06-20 02:06:57 PM
The last time this came up I seem to remember it involving the custody of the disabled son. I don't know what's going on here but we have to just be getting a glimpse at the entire story.
 
2013-06-20 02:14:26 PM
People suck.
 
2013-06-20 02:26:33 PM
Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything.  This whole thing was dumb from the start.

We're only getting the granddaughter's side since her mother won't talk to the media about it.
 
2013-06-20 02:34:51 PM
I would be interested in hearing the daughter's side of the story.  Only possible reason I could think of to do something like that is to pressure the old guy to move into the old folks home you think he needs to be in, but the fact that she initially gave him a counter-offer makes me doubt it's anything like that.

She's probably got a deal with some crooked land developer who's trying to turn the whole block into upscale condos and this guy is the last hold out.  Might have to call the A-Team on this one.

James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything. This whole thing was dumb from the start


It's not so much that she refused to sell it as it is that she apparently obtained the property as a result of him giving her power of attorney for whatever reason.
 
2013-06-20 02:38:02 PM

serial_crusher: I would be interested in hearing the daughter's side of the story.  Only possible reason I could think of to do something like that is to pressure the old guy to move into the old folks home you think he needs to be in, but the fact that she initially gave him a counter-offer makes me doubt it's anything like that.

She's probably got a deal with some crooked land developer who's trying to turn the whole block into upscale condos and this guy is the last hold out.  Might have to call the A-Team on this one.

James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything. This whole thing was dumb from the start

It's not so much that she refused to sell it as it is that she apparently obtained the property as a result of him giving her power of attorney for whatever reason.


That's pretty common though.
 
2013-06-20 02:42:16 PM
Special Hell.
 
2013-06-20 02:42:17 PM
She thinks she's "won."

She will wake up tomorrow not only universally loathed as the symbol of greed but worse yet, she will wake up with a house in Ohio.
 
2013-06-20 02:42:35 PM
Ok, just to make sure I got it right from the article.  The granddaughter made an offer, and the daughter gave a counter offer of 85,000 plus legal fees?  That seems to move past all the "he's not safe", "he abused her" theories and get back to the daughter just being in it for the money.  She seems happy to sell it back to him, just at nearly double the estimated value (likely because she knows they raised 130k and can afford it).
 
2013-06-20 02:43:23 PM
Odds are he was an asshole as a dad but she chose to become an evil biatch.  I doubt either side can be supported without stepping knee deep in bullshiat.
 
2013-06-20 02:43:38 PM

James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything.  This whole thing was dumb from the start.

We're only getting the granddaughter's side since her mother won't talk to the media about it.


So why aren't we getting the daughter's side? There certainly could be some reasons why she would want to dump him on the street. But in the absence of any statement as to why she's doing it, all we can do is speculate, and Occam's razor suggests that she's the queen of the harpies.
 
2013-06-20 02:43:47 PM
Funny though - she was willing to sell it back to him for a premium.
 
2013-06-20 02:43:48 PM
Roger Zalinski, the auto parts king?
 
2013-06-20 02:43:49 PM
At least the granddaughter seems like a pretty awesome person.  sigh.

brap: She thinks she's "won."

She will wake up tomorrow not only universally loathed as the symbol of greed but worse yet, she will wake up with a house in Ohio.

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2013-06-20 02:44:19 PM
I continue to feel this is an intergenerational scam.

However, if it is not, I would suggest letting the daughter keep the house (worth $50,000) and disinherit her from the newfound $140,000.
 
2013-06-20 02:46:28 PM

serial_crusher: I would be interested in hearing the daughter's side of the story.  Only possible reason I could think of to do something like that is to pressure the old guy to move into the old folks home you think he needs to be in, but the fact that she initially gave him a counter-offer makes me doubt it's anything like that.

She's probably got a deal with some crooked land developer who's trying to turn the whole block into upscale condos and this guy is the last hold out.  Might have to call the A-Team on this one.


You mean Anonymous, right?
 
2013-06-20 02:47:21 PM
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't there usually clauses in Powers of Attorney that dictate that transfers and decisions are to be made in the best interest of the Assignee?  The legality of this business seems a little shady.
 
2013-06-20 02:47:39 PM
Wow.  Reading more of the story here has me thinking there is a special place reserved in hell for the daughter.  Some things are so simple they are hard to believe.

Parents set up Power of Attorney 'in case' as a responsible move.

Daughter uses this to transfer deed on home to herself, quietly & illegally.

Daughter waits till statute of limitations runs out and moves in for the kill.

Legally, She's in the clear.

Morally, She's a spawn of satan.
 
2013-06-20 02:48:48 PM

Frankentots: Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't there usually clauses in Powers of Attorney that dictate that transfers and decisions are to be made in the best interest of the Assignee?  The legality of this business seems a little shady.


I don't remember exactly what my power of attorney statement says (I had to sign one before I deployed), but it wouldn't surprise me if that is not boilerplate in all POAs.
 
2013-06-20 02:49:00 PM
Again.

My grandmother took a particularly nasty turn of senile demnetia (violent) and shortly afterwards  :| Grandpa S died.

His will had signed his half over to his daughter, so she had leverage on the house. BECAUSE if she didn't have it, and Grandma S got declared senile by the government / State, we would lose all of it to them to "pay" for her declining issues and care.

But because granny was in wacko-territory, we were the devils incarnate, and she made sure everyone she opened her bloody mouth to knew, even though she got to keep her care AND her money, until the day she bought it because of what we did.

If the daughter's a biatchy-mcbiatchpants, then fair enough form the lynch mob. But I've been on the wrong end of this myself. I can't be this simple. If it is, well. 'murica I guess.
 
2013-06-20 02:49:42 PM

Blues_X: Arthur Jumbles: Blues_X: I don't like to wish death on people, but that biatch of a daughter needs to die.

We don't know the whole story, maybe the father was an abuser and a rapist and this is the daughter's chance for revenge.

It would HAVE to be something like that for there to be any non-evil reason for her actions.


Or he's nearly non-functional helpless, gets all his food delivered, is constantly demanding help from the family that doesn't live there but refuses to move in with them or move to an assisted-living center, and this is the only way for her to force him to do so.
 
2013-06-20 02:49:54 PM
Form a development corporation with a plan for that site to be a museum. It will be open only on Veteran's Day, with one employee that can share some of his experience and how his daughter is a biatch. The city gets the property at the recent appraised value from the biatch and accepts a large private donation from the online group to cover administering the property ad infinitum.

Or the family is all in on it together.
 
2013-06-20 02:50:44 PM
 I still think this whole thing is a giant scam. If the daughter sells the house back to her father, she'll have 60K in income that they didn't have prior to this. All of that income came from donations to a 92 year old vet to do what exactly?

It all just seems weird.
 
2013-06-20 02:51:04 PM
Per TFA : she offered to sell it to him for $85k, basically double the market value. There's gotta be more to the story, but so far I find it very sad.
 
2013-06-20 02:51:11 PM
I remember this story initially happened because these two had a disagreement on how his son/her brother who's mentally disabled should be cared for. I think she wanted him sent away, he wanted to keep him local so that they'd remain close and there came some legal blows. Then when dad had some health issues he gave daughter power of attorney for "just in cases". Then she basically took over his deed. And even her own child won't speak to her.
 
2013-06-20 02:51:18 PM
According to the article, someone raised $139k but never took up the $85k offer?
 
2013-06-20 02:51:33 PM
I suspect the whole family is in on it. The family still has the house, and they now have milked 150k from the rubes.
 
2013-06-20 02:52:30 PM

James!: serial_crusher: I would be interested in hearing the daughter's side of the story.  Only possible reason I could think of to do something like that is to pressure the old guy to move into the old folks home you think he needs to be in, but the fact that she initially gave him a counter-offer makes me doubt it's anything like that.

She's probably got a deal with some crooked land developer who's trying to turn the whole block into upscale condos and this guy is the last hold out.  Might have to call the A-Team on this one.

James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything. This whole thing was dumb from the start

It's not so much that she refused to sell it as it is that she apparently obtained the property as a result of him giving her power of attorney for whatever reason.

That's pretty common though.


It's not "pretty common" for the person with power of attorney to transfer property to herself.  That's self-dealing, and it's generally illegal.  In this case, I understand that the lower court voided the transfer, but was overruled on statute of limitations grounds.  Doesn't make the initial transfer legal, just means that the father can't do a thing about it.
 
2013-06-20 02:54:02 PM

chaoticcrash: Wow.  Reading more of the story here has me thinking there is a special place reserved in hell for the daughter.  Some things are so simple they are hard to believe.

Parents set up Power of Attorney 'in case' as a responsible move.

Daughter uses this to transfer deed on home to herself, quietly & illegally.

Daughter waits till statute of limitations runs out and moves in for the kill.

Legally, She's in the clear.

Morally, She's a spawn of satan.



4 year statute of limitations for breach of fiduciary duty and fraud - especially with real property involved - seems awfully short.  Any Fark lawyers care to comment on what prevails in other states?
 
2013-06-20 02:54:17 PM
I don't know anything about this but I'm outraged.
 
2013-06-20 02:54:26 PM
I hate to use the word "coont", but that's exactly what the daughter appears to be, an amoral, evil coont. Hopefully this Fella can do his country one more service and erase the stain of her existence and then claim senile dementia as a mitigating factor with this poa and the daughters own testimony from the eviction proceedings to exonerate him of any crime.
 
2013-06-20 02:54:29 PM

nobiology2424: Ok, just to make sure I got it right from the article.  The granddaughter made an offer, and the daughter gave a counter offer of 85,000 plus legal fees?  That seems to move past all the "he's not safe", "he abused her" theories and get back to the daughter just being in it for the money.  She seems happy to sell it back to him, just at nearly double the estimated value (likely because she knows they raised 130k and can afford it).


serial_crusher: the fact that she initially gave him a counter-offer makes me doubt it's anything like that.


James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything.


IANAL, but I'd imagine that there are laws against choosing to a specific person to whom to sell your house.  Specifically, there are things in the fair housing act that prohibit discrimination based on familial status.  Discrimination against the family members was not the intent of the act, but her denying to sell to him because he is who he is could very well be interpreted as in violation of the law.

Sooo, unless she intends to occupy the house, I would think that she would have to give terms under which she would sell to him.  She named a price she knew was higher than he could afford.

For whatever reason - she's a coont or she has a desire to see him in assisted living.
 
2013-06-20 02:54:53 PM
It'd be a shame if there were an accidental deep fat fryer fire on the day the old man moved out.

A real shame.
 
2013-06-20 02:55:11 PM
If the daughter had a reasonable "side of the story," she would have publicly expressed it by now, given all the publicity.

The fact that she hasn't, suggests to me that she is motivated by something that wouldn't be highly approved of.
 
2013-06-20 02:57:37 PM
So uh. In theory, if I was having a problem just like this (but without as much time passing, so SoL is  less of a problem) where should I start?
 
2013-06-20 02:57:53 PM
Maybe I am having a bad day, but that headline is full of who gives a fark.  So if my grandma wants to sell me her horded 2 BR shoebox ww2 framehouse for above market value and I don't want to buy it because it is small, has little property, is in another state and I don't buy it I am a bad person?

/best of luck to the old dude
 
2013-06-20 02:57:59 PM

Corn_Fed: If the daughter had a reasonable "side of the story," she would have publicly expressed it by now, given all the publicity.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-20 02:59:43 PM
The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguist.

But until she speaks up, I am going to just assume she is a miserable heartless soul-sucking coont who makes the world a worse place to live in.
 
2013-06-20 02:59:45 PM

kimmygibblershomework: Maybe I am having a bad day, but that headline is full of who gives a fark.  So if my grandma wants to sell me her horded 2 BR shoebox ww2 framehouse for above market value and I don't want to buy it because it is small, has little property, is in another state and I don't buy it I am a bad person?

/best of luck to the old dude


You might want to re-read the headline and article.
 
2013-06-20 03:00:27 PM

FARK rebel soldier: So uh. In theory, if I was having a problem just like this (but without as much time passing, so SoL is  less of a problem) where should I start?


Consult with an attorney.  Immediately.
 
2013-06-20 03:01:10 PM
More to the story? - most likely - perhaps he is a danger to himself and/or others and needs to be in a supervised environment.

Dang - and we just got this new shipment of pitchforks and torches - what are we supposed to do with these now?
 
2013-06-20 03:01:13 PM

Serious Black: James!: Just because you thrust a wad of money at someone doesn't mean they have to sell you anything.  This whole thing was dumb from the start.

We're only getting the granddaughter's side since her mother won't talk to the media about it.

So why aren't we getting the daughter's side? There certainly could be some reasons why she would want to dump him on the street. But in the absence of any statement as to why she's doing it, all we can do is speculate, and Occam's razor suggests that she's the queen of the harpies.


Maybe she doesn't want her personal family shiat dragged through the media?  Who knows it's her business.  Assuming guilt just because she won't make a spectacle of herself on youtube is shiatty.
 
2013-06-20 03:01:22 PM

randomX: The daughter NEEDS to speak up here. For all we know, he molested her every day of her life and this is her way of repaying the anguish.

But until she speaks up, I am going to just assume she is a miserable heartless soul-sucking coont who makes the world a worse place to live in.


Pretty much this.
 
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