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(Mama Farkette)   My son needs to interview someone who has been through the naturalization process as part of a U.S. Govt class assignment. Do any Farkers know anyone who has been through that process?   (flvs.net) divider line 30
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2013-06-20 09:29:28 AM
I do, but, he is on vacation until July 1, what's the time frame on this?
 
2013-06-20 09:35:11 AM
images.politico.com
 
2013-06-20 09:36:15 AM
You can't find any immigrants in Florida?
 
2013-06-20 09:42:05 AM
I've been through it, although I went through it mostly prior to the immigration reforms that happened after 9/11/01 which made it significantly more difficult to immi.

It boils down to this: It sucks. It took me nearly 12 years. And it involved a lot of waiting around for stuff to happen. And the citizenship test is so simple, a trained chimp can do it.
 
2013-06-20 09:46:52 AM
My wife.

RexTalionis: And the citizenship test is so simple, a trained chimp can do it.


That's what I thought too. She'd been exclusively educated in the US, so I told her "she'd be fine", but they asked her the "harder" trivia questions*, she panicked and nearly flunked.

*E.g.: Who is the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court; How many amendments to the Constitution are there; Who wrote the Federalist Papers, etc.
 
2013-06-20 09:52:15 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: *E.g.: Who is the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court; How many amendments to the Constitution are there; Who wrote the Federalist Papers, etc.


Are these questions really more difficult, or is my perspective skewed due to my schooling?
 
2013-06-20 09:53:42 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: My wife.

RexTalionis: And the citizenship test is so simple, a trained chimp can do it.

That's what I thought too. She'd been exclusively educated in the US, so I told her "she'd be fine", but they asked her the "harder" trivia questions*, she panicked and nearly flunked.

*E.g.: Who is the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court; How many amendments to the Constitution are there; Who wrote the Federalist Papers, etc.


Honestly, if those are the "harder" ones, that isn't too bad.  Roberts is the CJ (current events knowledge), the amendements I was waffling between 26 & 27, and it is 27, I think I forget that because of the one that snuck in there in 1992, and I graduated high school in 1991, so, my learning of it growing up was 26, which sticks in my head, and it isn't like we get new amendments every other year, so, usually you just stick with the number you learned.   Federalist Papers is probably more difficult, although I came up with Madison & Alexander, didn't think about John Jay.
 
2013-06-20 09:56:38 AM

RexTalionis: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: *E.g.: Who is the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court; How many amendments to the Constitution are there; Who wrote the Federalist Papers, etc.

Are these questions really more difficult, or is my perspective skewed due to my schooling?


I didn't think they were that hard either, but when you were expecting questions like "how many stripes does the flag have?" you may get thrown off and start second guessing yourself (which she did).
 
2013-06-20 10:17:48 AM
Several at work, and a few I even coached.  But I'm not sure I'm comfortable mixing Fark with work.

We relocated many Latin American engineers here from our offices down there and a good chunk of them decided to change their citizenship.
 
2013-06-20 10:46:09 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: *E.g.: Who is the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court; How many amendments to the Constitution are there; Who wrote the Federalist Papers, etc.


Those aren't that hard. assuming you've done some basic studying.
 
2013-06-20 11:36:26 AM

Diogenes: Several at work, and a few I even coached.  But I'm not sure I'm comfortable mixing Fark with work.

We relocated many Latin American engineers here from our offices down there and a good chunk of them decided to change their citizenship.


If Work Diogenes walks through that door, he will kill Fark Diogenes. A Diogenes divided against itself, cannot stand!
 
2013-06-20 11:39:13 AM
I shared a small office with an Indian gentlemen a few years back that was going through the process. it made me seethe with anger. He would sit on hold all day long. I know I had to listen to the farking elevator music. It wasn't just once or twice. It was every farking day for over a year. As far as I could tell all the bureaucratic hell served no real purpose other than to make it hard to do and fark you that's why.

It was even harder for me to watch knowing this is the kind of immigrant we want. The guys big plans were to keep working as a very skilled engineer, stay out of trouble, pay his taxes and raise his family. In other words he is now a model freaking citizen that contributes to society.

After watching that I really can't hold it against someone for saying fark it and going the illegal route.
 
2013-06-20 11:51:27 AM
I was going to say that mine's on vacation too, but he's not naturalized. I always forget that.  He's only a permanent resident.
 
2013-06-20 11:55:58 AM

Fark It: You can't find any immigrants in Florida?


I don't personally know anyone who has gone through the naturalization process here in Fla,  no.
 
2013-06-20 11:57:55 AM

RexTalionis: I've been through it, although I went through it mostly prior to the immigration reforms that happened after 9/11/01 which made it significantly more difficult to immi.

It boils down to this: It sucks. It took me nearly 12 years. And it involved a lot of waiting around for stuff to happen. And the citizenship test is so simple, a trained chimp can do it.


Would you mind terribly if my son emailed you with some questions? He's taking US Govt this summer via
Florida Virtual School and it is one of his first assignments.
 
2013-06-20 12:00:19 PM

digitalrain: RexTalionis: I've been through it, although I went through it mostly prior to the immigration reforms that happened after 9/11/01 which made it significantly more difficult to immi.

It boils down to this: It sucks. It took me nearly 12 years. And it involved a lot of waiting around for stuff to happen. And the citizenship test is so simple, a trained chimp can do it.

Would you mind terribly if my son emailed you with some questions? He's taking US Govt this summer via
Florida Virtual School and it is one of his first assignments.


What kind of questions are they? If it's about my personal experiences as an immigrant, I can answer. If it's about the mechanics of the immigration process itself, I'm probably not nearly as qualified since I was relatively young when I first immigrated (I received my US citizenship at age 19).
 
2013-06-20 12:03:57 PM

RexTalionis: digitalrain: RexTalionis: I've been through it, although I went through it mostly prior to the immigration reforms that happened after 9/11/01 which made it significantly more difficult to immi.

It boils down to this: It sucks. It took me nearly 12 years. And it involved a lot of waiting around for stuff to happen. And the citizenship test is so simple, a trained chimp can do it.

Would you mind terribly if my son emailed you with some questions? He's taking US Govt this summer via
Florida Virtual School and it is one of his first assignments.

What kind of questions are they? If it's about my personal experiences as an immigrant, I can answer. If it's about the mechanics of the immigration process itself, I'm probably not nearly as qualified since I was relatively young when I first immigrated (I received my US citizenship at age 19).


I believe it is more along the lines of your personal experiences.
 
2013-06-20 12:05:09 PM

digitalrain: RexTalionis: digitalrain: RexTalionis: I've been through it, although I went through it mostly prior to the immigration reforms that happened after 9/11/01 which made it significantly more difficult to immi.

It boils down to this: It sucks. It took me nearly 12 years. And it involved a lot of waiting around for stuff to happen. And the citizenship test is so simple, a trained chimp can do it.

Would you mind terribly if my son emailed you with some questions? He's taking US Govt this summer via
Florida Virtual School and it is one of his first assignments.

What kind of questions are they? If it's about my personal experiences as an immigrant, I can answer. If it's about the mechanics of the immigration process itself, I'm probably not nearly as qualified since I was relatively young when I first immigrated (I received my US citizenship at age 19).

I believe it is more along the lines of your personal experiences.


Sure, I guess. My username is Rextalioni­s[nospam-﹫-backwards]k­ra­fa­rt­l­u*co­m
 
2013-06-20 12:09:37 PM

RexTalionis: digitalrain: RexTalionis: digitalrain: RexTalionis: I've been through it, although I went through it mostly prior to the immigration reforms that happened after 9/11/01 which made it significantly more difficult to immi.

It boils down to this: It sucks. It took me nearly 12 years. And it involved a lot of waiting around for stuff to happen. And the citizenship test is so simple, a trained chimp can do it.

Would you mind terribly if my son emailed you with some questions? He's taking US Govt this summer via
Florida Virtual School and it is one of his first assignments.

What kind of questions are they? If it's about my personal experiences as an immigrant, I can answer. If it's about the mechanics of the immigration process itself, I'm probably not nearly as qualified since I was relatively young when I first immigrated (I received my US citizenship at age 19).

I believe it is more along the lines of your personal experiences.

Sure, I guess. My username is Rextalionis[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]krafartlu[* image 7x13]com


Cool - thanks tons!
 
2013-06-20 12:12:48 PM
I did it, roughly five years ago.

And yes, the Citizenship test is an oddly mixed bag. Some of the civics and history questions might seem trivial if you had a US high school education slash grew up in American culture, but otherwise do require a certain amount of study/committing things to memory  -- e.g how many Amendments are there; which were the original 13 states; name two rights guaranteed by the First Amendment; how many Senators and congresscritters are there; etc. Others you might be expected to know if you follow current affairs, e.g. name your congresscritter or one of your Senators, but realistically not everybody does. I have no idea whether the average American could name the authors of the Federalist papers, but I promise you average immigrant couldn't.

As for the process itself, it was less unpleasant the closer it got to the end, although there is an awful lot of Hurry Up And Wait (maybe it helps to be a white European who speaks fluent English...). But the visa and Green Card stages were horrible. Recall your worst ever DMV experience... now imagine that when people have become too burned out, cynical, and hostile for the DMV, they send them somewhere where they don't have to deal with citizens.

And having been through it, I have no issue with an "amnesty" or shortcut process for others. The current process is largely arbitrary, and any suggestion that it increases "security" is laughable.
 
2013-06-20 12:44:15 PM

RexTalionis: I've been through it, although I went through it mostly prior to the immigration reforms that happened after 9/11/01 which made it significantly more difficult to immi.

It boils down to this: It sucks. It took me nearly 12 years. And it involved a lot of waiting around for stuff to happen. And the citizenship test is so simple, a trained chimp can do it.


So how much did you end up paying the chimp?
 
2013-06-20 12:53:49 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: *E.g.: Who is the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court; How many amendments to the Constitution are there; Who wrote the Federalist Papers, etc.


Diana Ross was the head Supreme
it is either 8 or 96 amendments
I have the internet so I don't read any paper

/answers provided by graduating high school seniors
 
2013-06-20 01:15:22 PM

RexTalionis: I've been through it, although I went through it mostly prior to the immigration reforms that happened after 9/11/01 which made it significantly more difficult to immi.

It boils down to this: It sucks. It took me nearly 12 years. And it involved a lot of waiting around for stuff to happen. And the citizenship test is so simple, a trained chimp can do it.


I came over as a baby, but my sister went through it. She said she studied for months, then was offended that the test was so easy.
 
2013-06-20 01:22:23 PM
There are a couple of iphone apps to help for the test.  It's just memorization.
 
2013-06-20 02:04:30 PM
I did it in 2004. I've lived in the US since I was 11, and decided to naturalize because I consider thus my home. My dad was Russian, mom Columbian, and I was born in Venezuela. I'd never lived anywhere more than a year or so until we moved to the US and dad remarried a southern belle and settled in south Georgia.

It's a convoluted process. I came here legally, had permanent resident status, was married to a citizen and working for the governor of Florida, and it was so ridiculous I nearly gave up multiple times.
 
2013-06-20 02:24:31 PM

czetie: I have no idea whether the average American could name the authors of the Federalist papers, but I promise you average immigrant couldn't.


http://dailytrojan.com/2010/09/30/poll-shows-41-percent-of-americans -c an%E2%80%99t-name-u-s-vice-president/

Considering that 44% of the people can't even name the CURRENT Vice President, I'll gauge that the % of people who can name even one of the authors of the Federalist papers to be in the sub-20% category.
 
2013-06-20 02:28:16 PM
Naturalization:   the ultimate fraternity initiation.
 
2013-06-21 07:14:48 AM
Subby is way white folks in nice neighborhood that avoid certain others. The American Dream.
 
2013-06-21 11:06:26 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: My wife.

RexTalionis: And the citizenship test is so simple, a trained chimp can do it.

That's what I thought too. She'd been exclusively educated in the US, so I told her "she'd be fine", but they asked her the "harder" trivia questions*, she panicked and nearly flunked.

*E.g.: Who is the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court; How many amendments to the Constitution are there; Who wrote the Federalist Papers, etc.


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even watching reruns I have seen before, the answer to this question for me is, sadly, "No" when it comes to history/geography/politics/social studies and the like.

/Old and have forgotten everything I ever learned in school, I guess.
 
2013-06-21 06:56:04 PM
My mother's entire family went through this process.  If you post either the questionnaire or a link to it here I'll share it with them.
 
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