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2013-06-20 10:20:58 AM
Isn't it a little late to thank him now?
 
2013-06-20 10:26:27 AM
Um, wouldn't it make more sense to thank David Chase?
 
2013-06-20 10:27:08 AM
Nah, I'll thank lots of early drama TV that got pushed off by stupid sitcoms and game shows.

/NBC had a world-renowned orchestra. It now has The Voice
 
2013-06-20 10:31:30 AM
Well, yes and no.  I would say a combination of James Gandolfini and Michael Chiklis.  Non-premium cable TV drama owes much of what it is today to The Shield, because it managed to put a premium cable TV quality show with the most adult of themes on a non-premium channel
 
2013-06-20 10:32:15 AM

browntimmy: Um, wouldn't it make more sense to thank David Chase?


More or less this, when James walked in for the reading apparently David was sold before Gandolfini even read
 
2013-06-20 10:34:32 AM
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Dennis Franz does not take kindly to your forgetting him.
 
2013-06-20 10:34:55 AM
And I would thank all the naked titties and other female body parts shown on that show. They're just as important to the success of The Sopranos as anything else.

Broadcast can show violence, no cursing and no titties. Cable can show violence, cursing and titties. Broadcast doesn't win Emmys. Cable wins Emmys. Do the math. Study it out.
 
2013-06-20 10:40:07 AM
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2013-06-20 10:42:15 AM
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Ralph Furley FTW
 
2013-06-20 10:44:14 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: And I would thank all the naked titties and other female body parts shown on that show. They're just as important to the success of The Sopranos as anything else.

Broadcast can show violence, no cursing and no titties. Cable can show violence, cursing and titties. Broadcast doesn't win Emmys. Cable wins Emmys. Do the math. Study it out.


Premium cable can show titties, yet Breaking Bad, The Shield, Sons of Anarchy, and others win Emmys and other awards.  No titties, limited cursing, Emmys.
 
2013-06-20 10:46:41 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: browntimmy: Um, wouldn't it make more sense to thank David Chase?

More or less this, when James walked in for the reading apparently David was sold before Gandolfini even read


It took both, there are very few actors who could pull off that character as written.
 
2013-06-20 10:49:46 AM

browntimmy: Um, wouldn't it make more sense to thank David Chase?


And David Chase can thank Tom Fontana for creating Oz. Without that show HBO really wouldn't have realized that there could be success in developing their own original scripted shows.
 
2013-06-20 11:01:04 AM
I...I can't believe The Great Gandolfini is really gone.

Damn it.
 
2013-06-20 11:07:11 AM

bhcompy: TheShavingofOccam123: And I would thank all the naked titties and other female body parts shown on that show. They're just as important to the success of The Sopranos as anything else.

Broadcast can show violence, no cursing and no titties. Cable can show violence, cursing and titties. Broadcast doesn't win Emmys. Cable wins Emmys. Do the math. Study it out.

Premium cable can show titties, yet Breaking Bad, The Shield, Sons of Anarchy, and others win Emmys and other awards.  No titties, limited cursing, Emmys.


Yeah, Game of Thrones hasn't won anything.
 
2013-06-20 11:11:56 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: Yeah, Game of Thrones hasn't won anything.


Except my undying love for this right here:

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And this one here:

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2013-06-20 11:16:32 AM
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AND

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Would like a word or 3...
 
2013-06-20 11:16:53 AM

bhcompy: Well, yes and no.  I would say a combination of James Gandolfini and Michael Chiklis.  Non-premium cable TV drama owes much of what it is today to The Shield, because it managed to put a premium cable TV quality show with the most adult of themes on a non-premium channel.


This. I recognize that Gandolfini did more in the big picture, but Chiklis & The Shield put FX on the map. If it wasn't for that show, we wouldn't have Always Sunny, Justified, (have had) Terriers, The Americans and Archer. I don't know where my life would be without Archer.
 
2013-06-20 11:24:34 AM

bhcompy: TheShavingofOccam123: And I would thank all the naked titties and other female body parts shown on that show. They're just as important to the success of The Sopranos as anything else.

Broadcast can show violence, no cursing and no titties. Cable can show violence, cursing and titties. Broadcast doesn't win Emmys. Cable wins Emmys. Do the math. Study it out.

Premium cable can show titties, yet Breaking Bad, The Shield, Sons of Anarchy...


Who watches shows like that? No titties...
 
2013-06-20 11:27:42 AM

browntimmy: Um, wouldn't it make more sense to thank David Chase?


Yeah. The New Yorker's "postscript" is much better -- it manages to offer high praise for Gandolfini while still making it clear that David Chase was the genius behind the show.
 
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2013-06-20 11:36:28 AM
PizzaJedi81:
And this one here:

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Do want.  I can't repeat that enough.
 
2013-06-20 11:40:59 AM

Walt_Jizzney: [img.fark.net image 250x300]

AND

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Would like a word or 3...


Just finished all 5 seasons of The Wire about 6 months ago (damn fine show)....but didn't McNulty really not become an anti-hero until the very last season?  And even then it's not like he went out of his way to make himself better...he just skirted a few rules to get around the amount of government red tape to make it essentially impossible to do his job in the first place.
 
2013-06-20 11:42:36 AM
I heard he cured cancer too.

Give it a rest you predatory opportunistic journalist shiats.
 
2013-06-20 11:43:12 AM

PizzaJedi81: And this one here:

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Dat smirk.
 
2013-06-20 11:44:21 AM

Cyno01: PizzaJedi81: And this one here:

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Dat smirk.


It's like she knows exactly what you want to do to her, and is not only willing to do all of them, but has a few suggestions of her own.
 
2013-06-20 11:50:33 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: Cable can show violence, cursing and titties.


Where are these titties you speak of? Seems like every time I watch a show that is rated "TV MA" the "MA" turns out to be naked "Man Ass."
 
2013-06-20 11:57:30 AM

PizzaJedi81: Incorrigible Astronaut: Yeah, Game of Thrones hasn't won anything.

Except my undying love for this right here:

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And this one here:

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Natalie Dormer would be the best forty seconds of my life

"So close.... do the smile. DO THE SMILE!"
 
2013-06-20 11:59:28 AM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: "So close.... do the smile. DO THE SMILE!"


I'd give her something to smile about, if ya know what I mean, and I think you do.

/comically small penis, is what I'm going for here.
 
2013-06-20 12:06:03 PM
Thanklessness, it's what killed him.
 
2013-06-20 12:30:21 PM
Not only that, but the entire concept of a serial drama was pretty much dead until the Sopranos revived it. All of TV at that point revolved around the Law and Order ethos that consumers would not tune in every week, and every episode needed to be a self-contained storyline, watchable in any order, or else you'd permanently lose your viewers.
 
2013-06-20 12:38:52 PM
Hill Street Blues.
 
2013-06-20 12:47:06 PM

2wolves: Hill Street Blues.


I recently watched several episodes on Hulu Plus. Didn't enjoy it as much as I remember liking it. It just seemed loud and sloppy and messy. It insists upon itself.
 
2013-06-20 01:11:15 PM

Tommy Moo: Not only that, but the entire concept of a serial drama was pretty much dead until the Sopranos revived it. All of TV at that point revolved around the Law and Order ethos that consumers would not tune in every week, and every episode needed to be a self-contained storyline, watchable in any order, or else you'd permanently lose your viewers.


I am not sure I buy into that. The Sopranos came out in 1999. At that time ER was still the number 1 show in the US. It was Clooney's final season on the show. The X-files was still a top 30 show. The next year The West Wing debut that year and was a top 30 show from the start (in its second season it cleaned up at the emmys). Yes there weren't a lot of serial dramas but the ones that were around were popular.

What I think the Sopranos did was make popular the concept that the lead in your show can be a totally selfish evil bastard (as opposed to the standard evil bastard with a heart of gold or the even bastard who wants redemption) and still be popular.
 
2013-06-20 01:40:40 PM

Walt_Jizzney: [img.fark.net image 250x300]

AND

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Would like a word or 3...


Could you please tell me what shows those are.  I don't have cable and I'm just now watching the DVDs of Breaking Bad and Dexter.  I've heard of The Shield and The Wire. Are those cop-type shows.  I just don't get into sci-fi or vampire stuff.
 
2013-06-20 01:42:13 PM

mechgreg: Tommy Moo: Not only that, but the entire concept of a serial drama was pretty much dead until the Sopranos revived it. All of TV at that point revolved around the Law and Order ethos that consumers would not tune in every week, and every episode needed to be a self-contained storyline, watchable in any order, or else you'd permanently lose your viewers.

I am not sure I buy into that. The Sopranos came out in 1999. At that time ER was still the number 1 show in the US. It was Clooney's final season on the show. The X-files was still a top 30 show. The next year The West Wing debut that year and was a top 30 show from the start (in its second season it cleaned up at the emmys). Yes there weren't a lot of serial dramas but the ones that were around were popular.

What I think the Sopranos did was make popular the concept that the lead in your show can be a totally selfish evil bastard (as opposed to the standard evil bastard with a heart of gold or the even bastard who wants redemption) and still be popular.


Let us not forget Homicide.  While it was self-contained, it also had arcs and was probably the closest we'll ever get to a cable drama on network television.
 
2013-06-20 01:49:41 PM

555-FILK: Could you please tell me what shows those are. I don't have cable and I'm just now watching the DVDs of Breaking Bad and Dexter. I've heard of The Shield and The Wire. Are those cop-type shows. I just don't get into sci-fi or vampire stuff.


They are cop oriented dramas(and among the best television shows ever), not cop procedurals.  No sci-fi or vampires.
 
2013-06-20 01:55:32 PM

555-FILK: I've heard of The Shield and The Wire. Are those cop-type shows. I just don't get into sci-fi or vampire stuff.


yes, cop type shows.  I personally could never watch the Shield because I was a fan of "The Commish", a show I never see on re-runs any more.  He was a much more sympathetic character (chiklis).  I couldn't buy him as a hard-ass.
 
2013-06-20 02:11:11 PM

bhcompy: 555-FILK: Could you please tell me what shows those are. I don't have cable and I'm just now watching the DVDs of Breaking Bad and Dexter. I've heard of The Shield and The Wire. Are those cop-type shows. I just don't get into sci-fi or vampire stuff.

They are cop oriented dramas(and among the best television shows ever), not cop procedurals.  No sci-fi or vampires.


frepnog: 555-FILK: I've heard of The Shield and The Wire. Are those cop-type shows. I just don't get into sci-fi or vampire stuff.

yes, cop type shows.  I personally could never watch the Shield because I was a fan of "The Commish", a show I never see on re-runs any more.  He was a much more sympathetic character (chiklis).  I couldn't buy him as a hard-ass.


Thanks!  I'll have to check them out.
 
2013-06-20 02:12:34 PM
Huggermugger:  It insists upon itself.

What does that even mean?
 
2013-06-20 02:19:55 PM

Fade2black: Walt_Jizzney: [img.fark.net image 250x300]

AND

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Would like a word or 3...

Just finished all 5 seasons of The Wire about 6 months ago (damn fine show)....but didn't McNulty really not become an anti-hero until the very last season?  And even then it's not like he went out of his way to make himself better...he just skirted a few rules to get around the amount of government red tape to make it essentially impossible to do his job in the first place.


McNulty was always a flawed character. I'd call him an anti-hero. He was a terrific detective and investigator, but he was an alcoholic and womanizer and his superiors hated him because he thought he was always the smartest man in the room and refused to follow the chain of command. He wasn't motivated to solve murders and bring down the Barksdales to see justice done, but to prove he was smarter than they were. David Simon said his experiences with homicide detectives were that most saw it as an insult to their intellectual vanity if they couldn't solve a murder and most were motivated by that rather than a good vs. evil sense of justice.
 
2013-06-20 02:30:47 PM

frepnog: yes, cop type shows.  I personally could never watch the Shield because I was a fan of "The Commish", a show I never see on re-runs any more.  He was a much more sympathetic character (chiklis).  I couldn't buy him as a hard-ass.



You're seriously missing out.  The wife and I watched The Shield in real time , and are currently working through it again via Amazon Prime.  One of the best shows ever in the history of the planet.

/Agent Coulson,  Zoe Washburne, and Andrea had pretty good parts in there, too.
 
2013-06-20 02:33:28 PM
So, he is the one to hate for shiatty over rated TV, loved by mouth breathers who wouldn't know quality if their lives depended on it?
 
2013-06-20 02:33:41 PM

Tommy Moo: Not only that, but the entire concept of a serial drama was pretty much dead until the Sopranos revived it. All of TV at that point revolved around the Law and Order ethos that consumers would not tune in every week, and every episode needed to be a self-contained storyline, watchable in any order, or else you'd permanently lose your viewers.


Uh... Deep Space 9, Babylon 5? Before the mid 90s, yeah you have a point, but as fantastic and popular as Sopranos was, it wasnt as groundbreaking as everyone gives it credit for.
 
2013-06-20 02:36:23 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Huggermugger:  It insists upon itself.

What does that even mean?


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2013-06-20 02:49:37 PM
Didn't David Chase himself say that he thinks if there was never a "Twin Peaks" there never would have been "The Sopranos"?
 
2013-06-20 03:44:25 PM

Huggermugger: 2wolves: Hill Street Blues.

I recently watched several episodes on Hulu Plus. Didn't enjoy it as much as I remember liking it. It just seemed loud and sloppy and messy. It insists upon itself.


I actually was just having this conversation with my mother. Fifteen years ago, she said, "You have to watch 'Hill Street Blues'" when it was in reruns. I did and I was blown away.
I watched it again a few months ago, and it was soooooo slow and boring. I figured "The Sopranos," "The Wire" and "Breaking Bad" ruined it for me.
 
2013-06-20 03:47:56 PM

fickenchucker: frepnog: yes, cop type shows.  I personally could never watch the Shield because I was a fan of "The Commish", a show I never see on re-runs any more.  He was a much more sympathetic character (chiklis).  I couldn't buy him as a hard-ass.


You're seriously missing out.  The wife and I watched The Shield in real time , and are currently working through it again via Amazon Prime.  One of the best shows ever in the history of the planet.

/Agent Coulson,  Zoe Washburne, and Andrea had pretty good parts in there, too.


I didn't say it was a terrible show.  I tried to watch it.  I just can't buy him as a hard-boiled cop.

/something tells me that the shield might not hold up as well as people remember.  Television has gotten so much better in the past few years.  It might still be a good show, I just don't know how well it might hold up to current drama.  Possibly very well.
 
2013-06-20 04:13:47 PM

frepnog: I didn't say it was a terrible show.  I tried to watch it.  I just can't buy him as a hard-boiled cop.



I never watched The Commish, but if I could buy him as a corrupt cop after Seinfeld, you'll enjoy the show if you let yourself.

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2013-06-20 04:46:05 PM

frepnog: fickenchucker: frepnog: yes, cop type shows.  I personally could never watch the Shield because I was a fan of "The Commish", a show I never see on re-runs any more.  He was a much more sympathetic character (chiklis).  I couldn't buy him as a hard-ass.


You're seriously missing out.  The wife and I watched The Shield in real time , and are currently working through it again via Amazon Prime.  One of the best shows ever in the history of the planet.

/Agent Coulson,  Zoe Washburne, and Andrea had pretty good parts in there, too.

I didn't say it was a terrible show.  I tried to watch it.  I just can't buy him as a hard-boiled cop.

/something tells me that the shield might not hold up as well as people remember.  Television has gotten so much better in the past few years.  It might still be a good show, I just don't know how well it might hold up to current drama.  Possibly very well.


I watched The Shield for the first time in its entirety a couple weeks ago, i could see why its frequently ranked up there with The Wire and Breaking Bad. Never seen The Comish, but Boyd Crowder pulled me out of it a couple times, but that doesnt make the show any less great.
 
2013-06-20 07:17:17 PM

browntimmy: Um, wouldn't it make more sense to thank David Chase?


Not really, no. An idea is an idea. They're a dime a dozen. It was a great idea, and Chase deserves a great deal of credit for having it, pushing it, and seeing it through with brilliance, but without Gandolfini to make that idea reality that's all Chase would have had: An idea. Maybe a TV show, too, but quite possibly a failed TV show. And failed ideas are also a dime a dozen. Gandolfini's portrayal, his charisma, his talent, they were the anchor around which Chase was able to build his creation.

So yes, I think it's fair to thank Gandolfini.
 
2013-06-20 07:23:11 PM

fish_monster: Didn't David Chase himself say that he thinks if there was never a "Twin Peaks" there never would have been "The Sopranos"?


Eh, you can play this game back to the dawn of television, and then take that to radio, and in turn take it back to theater. Every great thing owes a little something to the previous great thing. It's a game of one ups-manship that is pointless to play.

I think it's generally safe to safe that The Sopranos is widely seen as the start of the modern television drama era. That great shows preceded it and influenced it -- Twin Peaks, Hill Street Blues, and likely many others, along with films like Good Fellas and The Godfather -- doesn't really change that.
 
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