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(Huffington Post)   Valerie Plame, on Dick Cheney's criticism of Edward Snowden leaking secret information: ::rolls eyes::   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 115
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2013-06-20 08:55:13 AM
No kidding.  Dick Cheney, if you can read this: I don't know where you are, but there must be someone in law enforcement who does, and can throw you in prison as you deserve.  Public appearances just remind people that this hasn't been done yet.
 
2013-06-20 08:55:19 AM
Really? Edward Snowden did the same thing that Dick Cheney did, but what Dick Cheney was wrong because it hurt her personally.
 
2013-06-20 08:56:36 AM

WTF Indeed: Edward Snowden did the same thing that Dick Cheney


/facedesk
 
2013-06-20 08:57:08 AM
Snowden had a great response; Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honor I can imagine.
 
2013-06-20 08:57:38 AM

WTF Indeed: Really? Edward Snowden did the same thing that Dick Cheney did, but what Dick Cheney was wrong because it hurt her personally.


Snowden outed a covert agent to help justify a needless war?
 
2013-06-20 08:58:39 AM

WTF Indeed: Really? Edward Snowden did the same thing that Dick Cheney did, but what Dick Cheney was wrong because it hurt her personally.


Yes, because outing a CIA agent to get revenge on her husband exposing administration lies is the same as revealing details of how the government spies on its own citizens.
 
2013-06-20 09:01:18 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Snowden outed a covert agent to help justify a needless war?


No, he outed a classified program to gain fame. Both were narcissistic actions and both put classified programs at risk.
 
2013-06-20 09:02:29 AM

WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: Snowden outed a covert agent to help justify a needless war?

No, he outed a classified program to gain fame. Both were narcissistic actions and both put classified programs at risk.


You know that you should leave the thread now.  It won't be pretty.
 
2013-06-20 09:04:27 AM

Alphax: You know that you should leave the thread now.  It won't be pretty.


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2013-06-20 09:07:27 AM

WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: Snowden outed a covert agent to help justify a needless war?

No, he outed a classified program to gain fame. Both were narcissistic actions and both put classified programs at risk.


Greed and bloodlust are not the same thing as narcissism.
 
2013-06-20 09:08:18 AM
What's worse: Blowing a CIA agent's cover for revenge. Or leaking a classified NSA program that saves American lives and has oversight then run off to China for protection like a pussy?
 
2013-06-20 09:08:22 AM

WTF Indeed: Alphax: You know that you should leave the thread now.  It won't be pretty.


That was a friendly warning. The other posters will be along to crucify you.
 
2013-06-20 09:10:02 AM

Alphax: That was a friendly warning. The other posters will be along to crucify you.


oh no! People on the internet will disagree with my statements! How will I ever live my life after that?!
 
2013-06-20 09:13:11 AM

WTF Indeed: What's worse: Blowing a CIA agent's cover for revenge. Or leaking a classified NSA program that saves American lives and has oversight then run off to China for protection like a pussy?


Compromising our right to privacy is the first step towards totalitarianism. If you are comfortable with that, then maybe you should move to China yourself.
 
2013-06-20 09:14:35 AM

WTF Indeed: What's worse: Blowing a CIA agent's cover for revenge. Or leaking a classified NSA program that saves American lives and has oversight then run off to China for protection like a pussy?


The leak isn't going to compromise our security in any significant way.
 
2013-06-20 09:14:38 AM

WTF Indeed: Alphax: That was a friendly warning. The other posters will be along to crucify you.

oh no! People on the internet will disagree with my statements! How will I ever live my life after that?!


Based upon your statements comparing disclosure of a general government search with the specific outing of a CIA agent endangering her life and the lives of everybody she had worked with while under cover just because her husband called bullshiat on his puppet's lies, I'd guess wearing an outdoor helmet and needing a responsible adult within eyesight.
 
2013-06-20 09:16:04 AM

WTF Indeed: What's worse: Blowing a CIA agent's cover for revenge. Or leaking a classified NSA program that saves American lives and has oversight then run off to China for protection like a pussy?


When the death toll for the PRISM leak reaches 50,000 people, let me know.
 
2013-06-20 09:16:40 AM

Cymbal: Compromising our right to privacy is the first step towards totalitarianism. If you are comfortable with that, then maybe you should move to China yourself.


Again, a program that is legal per Congress, has oversight, and all American issues are handled by the FBI. The only people that don't like this program are people who think the government is going to come down in Black Helicopters and take them away in the middle of the night.
 
2013-06-20 09:17:15 AM
Is the eye roll in the headline for Cheney or Plame?
 
2013-06-20 09:18:35 AM

WTF Indeed: Cymbal: Compromising our right to privacy is the first step towards totalitarianism. If you are comfortable with that, then maybe you should move to China yourself.

Again, a program that is legal per Congress, has oversight, and all American issues are handled by the FBI. The only people that don't like this program are people who think the government is going to come down in Black Helicopters and take them away in the middle of the night.


Or, you know, people who think that the government spying on them is antithetical to the kind of country we supposedly live in.
 
2013-06-20 09:19:00 AM

someonelse: When the death toll for the PRISM leak reaches 50,000 people, let me know.


It's more like 400,000 people for the Iraq war, but anyone that thinks one ambassador could have stopped the Iraq War is crazy.
 
2013-06-20 09:19:21 AM

WTF Indeed: What's worse: Blowing a CIA agent's cover for revenge. Or leaking a classified NSA program that saves American lives and has oversight then run off to China for protection like a pussy?


I know right? What a freedom-hating coward! Now he's giving all of our secrets to China too?! We should send in the drones and bomb Hong Kong for harboring this criminal!!!
 
2013-06-20 09:19:36 AM

WTF Indeed: Really? Edward Snowden did the same thing that Dick Cheney did, but what Dick Cheney was wrong because it hurt her personally.


False equivalency is false.
 
2013-06-20 09:19:39 AM
I wonder how many DC insiders lost their vision from the constant eye rolling caused by a known spy pretending she was outed by Cheney, or anyone that worked under him.
 
2013-06-20 09:22:05 AM

theknuckler_33: Or, you know, people who think that the government spying on them is antithetical to the kind of country we supposedly live in.


If you've read the Washington Post report on PRISM you'd know that the program targets foreign nations and is required to get approval for any America-based contact it makes while watching those foreign communications.  Basically, Snowden thinks a foreigner in another country should have the exact same rights as an American living in America.
 
2013-06-20 09:22:20 AM

WTF Indeed: What's worse: Blowing a CIA agent's cover for revenge. Or leaking a classified NSA program that saves American lives and has oversight then run off to China for protection like a pussy?


Looks like you have some classified information that we don't. Given what you are saying is true, If we make clothing illegal, smuggling and smuggling related death will be reduced significantly. Should we do that too?
 
2013-06-20 09:23:47 AM

WTF Indeed: theknuckler_33: Or, you know, people who think that the government spying on them is antithetical to the kind of country we supposedly live in.

If you've read the Washington Post report on PRISM you'd know that the program targets foreign nations and is required to get approval for any America-based contact it makes while watching those foreign communications.  Basically, Snowden thinks a foreigner in another country should have the exact same rights as an American living in America.


So what harm has been done now that we know about it?
 
2013-06-20 09:25:56 AM

WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: Snowden outed a covert agent to help justify a needless war?

No, he outed a classified program to gain fame. Both were narcissistic actions and both put classified programs at risk.


Yes, but only one directly put a named individual at risk. Also cost her her job, her anonymity (kind of important for someone in intelligence to retain, don't you think?), and a whole farkload of time (depositions, testimony, the time it takes to find a new place to work/live). As opposed to...revealing the framework of a plan pretty much any terrorist would have wanted to get around anyway - if they didn't realize or suspect or plan for the fact that the USG monitors phone traffic (especially when originating/terminating outside the country, even cell traffic), they weren't very good terrorists*. They've known to use sat phones for a while now, guys.

But now Plame's a pundit, and will always be the part of America that 43 didn't bother keeping safe (actually placed into harm's way). So that's something.

*still possibly effective (the Boston guys kind of lucked into it), but not very smart or interested in proper planning
 
2013-06-20 09:26:42 AM

make me some tea: I know right? What a freedom-hating coward! Now he's giving all of our secrets to China too?! We should send in the drones and bomb Hong Kong for harboring this criminal!!!


Actions speak louder than words. His words say "I'm protecting American's freedoms" but his actions show that he's more considered with protecting himself.  If he was really worried about his freedom he would traveled to Iceland where leakers are given protection. Instead he traveled to China to give interviews.

Bradley Manning on the other hand, gave classified info and stayed exactly where he was. He didn't run, he didn't give interviews, he didn't AMA on Twitter.
 
2013-06-20 09:27:34 AM

theknuckler_33: WTF Indeed: Cymbal: Compromising our right to privacy is the first step towards totalitarianism. If you are comfortable with that, then maybe you should move to China yourself.

Again, a program that is legal per Congress, has oversight, and all American issues are handled by the FBI. The only people that don't like this program are people who think the government is going to come down in Black Helicopters and take them away in the middle of the night.

Or, you know, people who think that the government spying on them is antithetical to the kind of country we supposedly live in.


I find it extremely ironic and utterly funny that the same people who wants to stockpile on guns because they do not trust government are the same ones who thinks its perfectly OK to trust government with a spying program on its citizens because it has oversight (by the government). You cannot make this shiat up.
 
2013-06-20 09:28:17 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: WTF Indeed: theknuckler_33: Or, you know, people who think that the government spying on them is antithetical to the kind of country we supposedly live in.

If you've read the Washington Post report on PRISM you'd know that the program targets foreign nations and is required to get approval for any America-based contact it makes while watching those foreign communications.  Basically, Snowden thinks a foreigner in another country should have the exact same rights as an American living in America.

So what harm has been done now that we know about it?


My guess is the same harm that was done when, during the first WTC bombing trial, the government had to disclose that they had been monitoring cell phones and every terrorist immediately ditched every cell phone they had and never used that form of communication again, thus crippling the ability of the government from obtaining that information.  But back to Snowden's leaking of the government's meta search of Verizon's phone records. . .
 
2013-06-20 09:28:19 AM
Wow. Anyone that wonders just how poisoned the waters of the American Right are just needs a quick trip through these boards... sigh. I miss a reasoned, intelligent Republican Party more every day.
 
2013-06-20 09:28:55 AM
FTFV: "...pictures of his pole dancing girlfriend certainly gets everyones attention..."

Wat.
 
2013-06-20 09:29:22 AM

WTF Indeed: Cymbal: Compromising our right to privacy is the first step towards totalitarianism. If you are comfortable with that, then maybe you should move to China yourself.

Again, a program that is legal per Congress, has oversight, and all American issues are handled by the FBI. The only people that don't like this program are people who think the government is going to come down in Black Helicopters and take them away in the middle of the night.


One major difference is that nobody knew Plame was a CIA operative before the lead. Snowden just leaked information we already knew. That's a pretty big separation in my book.
 
2013-06-20 09:30:25 AM

pueblonative: Philip Francis Queeg: WTF Indeed: theknuckler_33: Or, you know, people who think that the government spying on them is antithetical to the kind of country we supposedly live in.

If you've read the Washington Post report on PRISM you'd know that the program targets foreign nations and is required to get approval for any America-based contact it makes while watching those foreign communications.  Basically, Snowden thinks a foreigner in another country should have the exact same rights as an American living in America.

So what harm has been done now that we know about it?

My guess is the same harm that was done when, during the first WTC bombing trial, the government had to disclose that they had been monitoring cell phones and every terrorist immediately ditched every cell phone they had and never used that form of communication again, thus crippling the ability of the government from obtaining that information.  But back to Snowden's leaking of the government's meta search of Verizon's phone records. . .


So, as a result of this leak, you speculate that terrorist are going to stop using phones, e-mail and most forms of modern electronic communication? I asked what harm would come from the leak, not what benefit.
 
2013-06-20 09:31:43 AM
I still want to milf her to death.
 
2013-06-20 09:32:22 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: So, as a result of this leak, you speculate that terrorist are going to stop using phones, e-mail and most forms of modern electronic communication? I asked what harm would come from the leak, not what benefit.


Really? You can't see what harm comes from not being able to track people whose sworn goal in life is to kill every American/Western they can? How do you think counter-terrorism works?
 
2013-06-20 09:33:08 AM
I'd like to leak my secret information all over her.
 
2013-06-20 09:34:49 AM

s2s2s2: I wonder how many DC insiders lost their vision from the constant eye rolling caused by a known spy pretending she was outed by Cheney, or anyone that worked under him.


I wonder who cares what "DC insiders" knew or thought they knew.
 
2013-06-20 09:36:31 AM

WTF Indeed: Bradley Manning on the other hand, gave classified info and stayed exactly where he was. He didn't run, he didn't give interviews, he didn't AMA on Twitter.


And that worked out really well for him.
 
2013-06-20 09:37:13 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: So, as a result of this leak, you speculate that terrorist are going to stop using phones, e-mail and most forms of modern electronic communication? I asked what harm would come from the leak, not what benefit.


Guess my sarcasm's a late riser, since I was trying to imply the exact opposite.  Maybe a few will stop for a while, but my guess is if they are smart enough to do that then they wouldn't have been using those in the first place.  The stupid ones may stop for a little while because the smart ones tell them to, but they'll dumb back down sooner or later.  Kinda like how you see people keep resorting to internet searches on poison just before poisoning somebody for the life insurance money or ask their friends if they know a good "hitman" for taking care of a problem.


WTF Indeed: Really? You can't see what harm comes from not being able to track people whose sworn goal in life is to kill every American/Western they can? How do you think counter-terrorism works?


You can't see what benefit comes from forcing terrorists to use smoke signals and the Pony Express?  How do you think modern communications work?
 
2013-06-20 09:37:27 AM

WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: So, as a result of this leak, you speculate that terrorist are going to stop using phones, e-mail and most forms of modern electronic communication? I asked what harm would come from the leak, not what benefit.

Really? You can't see what harm comes from not being able to track people whose sworn goal in life is to kill every American/Western they can? How do you think counter-terrorism works?


I think the harm of not being able to track them would be far outweighed by the benefit of crippling their ability to communicate and plan.
 
2013-06-20 09:40:59 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: I think the harm of not being able to track them would be far outweighed by the benefit of crippling their ability to communicate and plan.


You do realize that PRISM was designed to secretly track all that communication so the government knew what they were planning. And that by outing that program, terrorists now have am advantage they didn't have before.
 
2013-06-20 09:41:08 AM

s2s2s2: I wonder how many DC insiders lost their vision from the constant eye rolling caused by a known spy pretending she was outed by Cheney, or anyone that worked under him.


I'd say at least all the insiders that identify with a pachyderm, cuz shill-ism.
 
2013-06-20 09:41:46 AM

WTF Indeed: he outed a classified program to gain fame.


I had no idea you knew him so well.

Does that mean we need to keep an eye on you too?
 
2013-06-20 09:44:50 AM

s2s2s2: known spy pretending she was outed by Cheney, or anyone that worked under him.


Shame on you.

WTF Indeed: Basically, Snowden thinks a foreigner in another country should have the exact same rights as an American living in America.


Everyone point and laugh at the outraged Fark Independent who can't remember his side's argument of from whence "Rights" derive!
 
2013-06-20 09:46:07 AM

s2s2s2: I wonder how many DC insiders lost their vision from the constant eye rolling caused by a known spy pretending she was outed by Cheney, or anyone that worked under him.


Nice to see the GW Bush Legacy Reclamation Project is still chugging along. Useful idiots repeating that line about "everbuddy knowed who she was" didn't stick at the time, but you keep trying, little fella.
 
2013-06-20 09:47:25 AM

WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: I think the harm of not being able to track them would be far outweighed by the benefit of crippling their ability to communicate and plan.

You do realize that PRISM was designed to secretly track all that communication so the government knew what they were planning. And that by outing that program, terrorists now have am advantage they didn't have before.


I'm pretty sure any terrorist that wasn't smart enough to know that the USA could figure out when he's using his cell phone has already answered a call from a drone.

Snowden leaked information about things everybody already knew was happening.  He gave a few more details about programs that have been talked about for years.
Cheney leaked information about a woman whose identity was unknown.
 
2013-06-20 09:48:34 AM

WTF Indeed: Philip Francis Queeg: I think the harm of not being able to track them would be far outweighed by the benefit of crippling their ability to communicate and plan.

You do realize that PRISM was designed to secretly track all that communication so the government knew what they were planning. And that by outing that program, terrorists now have am advantage they didn't have before.


What advantage? Seriously, in what fantasy world is not being able to use modern methods of communication an advantage?
 
2013-06-20 09:53:50 AM

pueblonative: Philip Francis Queeg: WTF Indeed: theknuckler_33: Or, you know, people who think that the government spying on them is antithetical to the kind of country we supposedly live in.

If you've read the Washington Post report on PRISM you'd know that the program targets foreign nations and is required to get approval for any America-based contact it makes while watching those foreign communications.  Basically, Snowden thinks a foreigner in another country should have the exact same rights as an American living in America.

So what harm has been done now that we know about it?

My guess is the same harm that was done when, during the first WTC bombing trial, the government had to disclose that they had been monitoring cell phones and every terrorist immediately ditched every cell phone they had and never used that form of communication again, thus crippling the ability of the government from obtaining that information.  But back to Snowden's leaking of the government's meta search of Verizon's phone records. . .


Any terrorist organization worth their salt would already be working off-grid if they know what's good for em. Bin Laden, for example, didn't even have phone lines running to his house. Everything was done via courier.
 
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