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2013-06-20 10:36:57 AM
Good.
 
2013-06-20 10:38:54 AM
 
2013-06-20 10:41:06 AM
"Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.
 
2013-06-20 10:41:25 AM
It's controversial only in the realm of politics. Vaccinations work. This is not a guess. It is a fact. The anti-vaxxer movement is idiotic and represents a, hopefully, small subset of people whom logic escapes at breathtaking speeds.
 
2013-06-20 10:41:44 AM
They should let the dumbass parents open an all-vax-free daycare center.  It'll only stay in business for 2 or 3 years, but still...
 
2013-06-20 10:42:22 AM

DrPainMD: "Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.


[citation needed]
 
2013-06-20 10:42:53 AM
Really? They see this as working? Have they even been seeing what has been going on with illegal immigration? People making fake documents no problem. An immunization card your preschool kid could write up.
Props for trying but like every other law unless your going to enforce it, it just keeps the honest staying honest.
 
2013-06-20 10:44:42 AM

DrPainMD: "Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.


"Depending on the disease" is a nice bit of weasel wording there. Not to mention the whole taking number out if context.
 
2013-06-20 10:46:08 AM

DeathCipris: DrPainMD: "Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.

[citation needed]


Jenny McCarthy?
 
2013-06-20 10:47:44 AM

DrPainMD: "Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.


It's called "herd immunity".

How many kids in your neighborhood have died recently from pertussis?  How many have died from mumps?  Measles?  Rubella?

None, you say?

How about that.
 
2013-06-20 10:48:28 AM

DrPainMD: "Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.


This has potential.
 
2013-06-20 10:51:35 AM

DeathCipris: DrPainMD: "Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.

[citation needed]


His astrologer told him, and thats good enough for me.
 
2013-06-20 10:53:47 AM

DrPainMD: "Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.


Let's say there's a million potential cases of Whooping Cough. 100 million people get vaccinated, each 100 vaccinations decreasing the number of people who get the disease by one. Now nobody gets Whooping Cough anymore.

Q.E.D.
 
2013-06-20 10:55:59 AM

DrPainMD: "Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.


10/10!!!

This is how you troll, people.  Cite something valid, don't cite the larger context, sound smart, incite outrage.  Kudos to you sir.
 
2013-06-20 11:01:04 AM

DrPainMD: "Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.


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2013-06-20 11:01:05 AM

Skanque: DrPainMD: "Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.

10/10!!!

This is how you troll, people.  Cite something valid, don't cite the larger context, sound smart, incite outrage.  Kudos to you sir.


You forgot to mention the excellent use of projection.
 
2013-06-20 11:06:30 AM
Wait, they couldn't before? Sounds to me like individual childcare business owners just regained a little nit of freedom they should never have lost in the first place. Why was there a law in the first place that required them to take on a child even if they didn't want to?
 
2013-06-20 11:08:22 AM

DrPainMD: "Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.


Not sure if serious...
 
2013-06-20 11:17:20 AM

Skanque: DrPainMD: "Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.

10/10!!!

This is how you troll, people.  Cite something valid, don't cite the larger context, sound smart, incite outrage.  Kudos to you sir.


Seconded. 10/10!

Those numbers sound plausible and not at all insignificant, as illustrated by the whooping cough example.

Also, a true anti-vaxxer would never concede that any good comes from vaccinations whatsoever...
 
2013-06-20 11:27:17 AM

Skanque: 10/10!!!

This is how you troll, people. Cite something valid, don't cite the larger context, sound smart, incite outrage. Kudos to you sir.


Don't forget having a Fark handle that implies medical credentials. That has to be a bonus in an anti-vax troll.
 
2013-06-20 11:30:50 AM
Doesn't the US already have something like this in place?

In any event, good on Australia! If the US doesn't have something like this, hopefully they will catch up soon.
 
2013-06-20 11:38:07 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: Doesn't the US already have something like this in place?


It depends on the state, but for the most part yes.  Oddly, it's some of the most conservative states that have the strictest vaccination laws - things like no religious exemption.

California is actually fairly pandering to their nonsense.  I think there's at least one state out there where if you don't prove your child is vaccinated they'll vaccinate them for you in school in a holdover from the '60s.

My grandfather was really screwed up by Polio.  I'll admit to being pro-vac.
 
2013-06-20 11:43:31 AM
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Here is another.
 
2013-06-20 11:44:13 AM

Celain: Thisbymaster: Good.

 
2013-06-20 11:52:46 AM

RevMark: Celain: Thisbymaster: Good.


I'll go beyond that :

If they have NHS, then they should have to pay a surtax for each mandatory vaccination that they decline. Something like the Cost of hte vaccination (which as I remember is not cheap)
 
2013-06-20 11:59:02 AM
Hell in Arizona, you have to prove vaccination to attend college. No matter how old you are.
 
2013-06-20 12:00:35 PM

Graffito: DrPainMD: "Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.

Not sure if serious...


It's a troll account, dude.
 
2013-06-20 12:01:23 PM
Boy, in an age of Total Surveillance, lies pouring out of every government orifice, cover-ups at every hand, rampant corruption, fraudulent products from 'ice cream' to sheetrock to toothpaste to brake pads, with misrepresentation, malfeasance and GMO literally everywhere; Frankenfood and meat-glue suffusing nearly every grocery store ... venal sins being on every level of power and authority ... maliciousness and destruction of trust being revealed every day throughout the realm from kindergarten to grade school to high school to even the most prominent religious office ...  especially religious offices ...

... you lot sure are a trusting bunch that what you're told is in the needle is what's actually in the needle.

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Fake Injectable Drugs
 
2013-06-20 12:05:00 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Doesn't the US already have something like this in place?

In any event, good on Australia! If the US doesn't have something like this, hopefully they will catch up soon.



I'm in MN we had to show vaccination to in home day care,  not sure if this was her policy or state policy,  she was on state food program so could have been state required.

We have to show the school updated records every year too. So that is required.

I had to show vac records growing up in Iowa and had to show the University vac records when I went to college in South Dakota in 1993.

So it has been required around the midwest for quite sometime,  So we may be lots of things in Flyover world but we are pretty pro-health care at least.
 
2013-06-20 12:05:46 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Doesn't the US already have something like this in place?

Not on a federal level. It varies from state to state, and sometimes even school district to school district.

Often, though, you can apply for a waiver. I had a bad reaction to the pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine and had to stop that course partway through, so my folks had to get waivers for me whenever I changed schools. I got all my other shots normally, even diphtheria and tetanus (normally these get handled in the same vaccine course as pertussis -that's the DTP vaccine- but they make a version of DTP without the P, and I was able to take that). But pertussis is dangerous enough to children that even when I was only missing that one vaccine, I still needed the waivers. And given the danger, that's fair. I'm just glad there was a process for that.

So yeah: a big fark you to all the gratuitous antivaxxers. There are people who actually need herd immunity, like the people who can't finish a vaccine course, and personally, I even give the religious folks a pass. But the ones who have nothing to go on but a couple of proven-junk studies put needless strain on herd immunity, and that puts innocents at risk.
 
2013-06-20 12:06:16 PM

Firethorn: I'll admit to being pro-vac.


I, too, will admit to holding the popular opinion.
 
2013-06-20 12:11:53 PM

nimbers: DrPainMD: "Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.

Let's say there's a million potential cases of Whooping Cough. 100 million people get vaccinated, each 100 vaccinations decreasing the number of people who get the disease by one. Now nobody gets Whooping Cough anymore.

Q.E.D.


Yep, and here's another case in point...polio vaccinations.

barlow.gresham.k12.or.us
Polio cases peaked in the US at about 60,000 cases in 1952, which was about twice the number of Americans slaughtered on the highways each year. Three years later the vaccine was introduced; millions of us kids were vaccinated in school, and incidents dropped precipitously. During the 90's we had single-digits of polio cases in the US, most if not all caused by the older-generation vaccine, but there have been zero new cases since the IPV was introduced in 2000.

So yeah, arguably cases drop by one for each 50 to 100 vaccinations, but that just proves vaccines are effective.

But kudos to Doc for playing the "lying with statistics" game so well.
 
2013-06-20 12:12:30 PM
When my mother was a nurse in Mexico, part of the schooling required public health service. She was part of a team that vaccinated children in a mountain village and went door to door administering vaccines (along with federal police for enforcement). If parents refused the vaccination, they simply pulled the kids out of class at school and administered it there.
 
2013-06-20 12:20:10 PM

KimNorth: Really? They see this as working? Have they even been seeing what has been going on with illegal immigration? People making fake documents no problem. An immunization card your preschool kid could write up.
Props for trying but like every other law unless your going to enforce it, it just keeps the honest staying honest.


In Australia, with Soshulized medicine and a computerized, centralized bureaucracy, faking a vaccination record is a little bit harder.
 
2013-06-20 12:21:34 PM

DrPainMD: "Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.


OK, great. Even if we take the worst case of your stats (100 vaccinations = one less sick person) that means that having 330 million vaccinated people in the US will reduce the number of sick people by 3.3 million. I'm OK with that. Why aren't you?

Or you can keep letting Jenny McCarthy do your thinking for you. I don't think she has the brain cells to spare, but you two can work it out somehow.
 
2013-06-20 12:28:23 PM

Sline: Skanque: DrPainMD: "Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.

10/10!!!

This is how you troll, people.  Cite something valid, don't cite the larger context, sound smart, incite outrage.  Kudos to you sir.

Seconded. 10/10!

Those numbers sound plausible and not at all insignificant, as illustrated by the whooping cough example.

Also, a true anti-vaxxer would never concede that any good comes from vaccinations whatsoever...


IIRC, the 1 for 100 number is the one that's been bandied about in the discussion over the cost/benefit of Flu vaccines.
 
2013-06-20 12:29:24 PM

thurstonxhowell: Firethorn: I'll admit to being pro-vac.

I, too, will admit to holding the popular opinion.


I also will admit to not being a complete idiot.

I don't understand why we have come to this point where both sides of every debate have to be given equal weight.  There is a "right" and "wrong" answer on this and creating policies that pander to morons is unhealthy.
 
2013-06-20 12:29:53 PM

yves0010: DeathCipris: DrPainMD: "Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.

[citation needed]

Jenny McCarthy?


Dang it...i came to say ^that^!
 
2013-06-20 12:30:46 PM
do they require 32 vaccines in 4 years like they do here?
 
2013-06-20 12:35:28 PM

KimNorth: Really? They see this as working? Have they even been seeing what has been going on with illegal immigration? People making fake documents no problem. An immunization card your preschool kid could write up.
Props for trying but like every other law unless your going to enforce it, it just keeps the honest staying honest.


Titers can often prove wether or not someone has been vaccinated. Before I started nursing school they had to have my shot records and have my family md draw titers as a prerequisite for admission.
 
2013-06-20 12:36:32 PM
God has inspired our scientists.  He inspired them to fix the evils released upon the world by Satan's trickery in the Garden of Eden.

And Satan, Satan is always fighting back.  His latest trick is to convince you that vaccinations are hurting your children, maiming them, crippling them, and even killing them.  And because we no longer see children hurt, maimed, crippled, and killed by these once powerful and strong diseases, they listen to the Deceiver.

Don't listen to the Devil.  Listen to God, and get your children vaccinated.
 
2013-06-20 12:38:01 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Boy, in an age of Total Surveillance, lies pouring out of every government orifice, cover-ups at every hand, rampant corruption, fraudulent products from 'ice cream' to sheetrock to toothpaste to brake pads, with misrepresentation, malfeasance and GMO literally everywhere; Frankenfood and meat-glue suffusing nearly every grocery store ... venal sins being on every level of power and authority ... maliciousness and destruction of trust being revealed every day throughout the realm from kindergarten to grade school to high school to even the most prominent religious office ...  especially religious offices ...

... you lot sure are a trusting bunch that what you're told is in the needle is what's actually in the needle.

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Fake Injectable Drugs


Your momma!

/got injected with meat glue
 
2013-06-20 12:38:18 PM

DrPainMD: "Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.


Someone is really bad at math.

Shocking.
 
2013-06-20 12:38:58 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Boy, in an age of Total Surveillance, lies pouring out of every government orifice, cover-ups at every hand, rampant corruption, fraudulent products from 'ice cream' to sheetrock to toothpaste to brake pads, with misrepresentation, malfeasance and GMO literally everywhere; Frankenfood and meat-glue suffusing nearly every grocery store ... venal sins being on every level of power and authority ... maliciousness and destruction of trust being revealed every day throughout the realm from kindergarten to grade school to high school to even the most prominent religious office ...  especially religious offices ...

... you lot sure are a trusting bunch that what you're told is in the needle is what's actually in the needle.

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Fake Injectable Drugs


Yea really, how can you believe any thing at any time in any way what so ever? My goodness! The entire world is full of lying liars, and you can't believe anything at all about anything ever.

Except of course the guy saying that vaccinations don't work and are actually harmful. He's not lying at all. Right?
 
2013-06-20 12:40:29 PM

taurusowner: Wait, they couldn't before? Sounds to me like individual childcare business owners just regained a little nit of freedom they should never have lost in the first place. Why was there a law in the first place that required them to take on a child even if they didn't want to?


The first line of the article says From "a childcare centre CAN refuse to enroll a child whose parents or guardians cannot show proof of vaccination or provide an approved exemption", but subsequent paragraphs make it sound like now they MUS refuse to enroll such a child.  So it may be one of those "that which is not forbidden is compulsory" things.
 
2013-06-20 12:41:28 PM

Shaggy0717: do they require 32 vaccines in 4 years like they do here?


I counted 33 recommended shots from the CDC, if you count the yearly influenza.  16 actual vaccines, many administered multiple times to ensure immunity.
 
2013-06-20 12:47:29 PM

Shaggy0717: do they require 32 vaccines in 4 years like they do here?


If they're smart, yes. If they understand what vaccines do, how they work, what the risks and the benefits are, yes.
 
2013-06-20 12:48:01 PM
Pity that they'll allow exemptions.
 
2013-06-20 12:48:53 PM

Marcus Aurelius: DrPainMD: "Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.

It's called "herd immunity".

How many kids in your neighborhood have died recently from pertussis?  How many have died from mumps?  Measles?  Rubella?

None, you say?

How about that.


Or farking smallpox.  Or polio.

Jesus farking christ people, if vaccines do cause such things as autism, that is still a very small price to pay COMPARED TO THE DISEASES THAT WE ARE VACCINATING AGAINST!  You wanna skip the flu shot, knock yourself out.  But get the important ones for you and your kids.
 
2013-06-20 12:54:55 PM

Carn: Marcus Aurelius: DrPainMD: "Little plague bearers?" Really? According to the CDC, for every (depending on the disease) 50-100 vaccinations, the number of people who get the disease decreases by one. Just ONE. But, pro-vacers have never been ones to let science get in the way of a good rant.

It's called "herd immunity".

How many kids in your neighborhood have died recently from pertussis?  How many have died from mumps?  Measles?  Rubella?

None, you say?

How about that.

Or farking smallpox.  Or polio.

Jesus farking christ people, if vaccines do cause such things as autism, that is still a very small price to pay COMPARED TO THE DISEASES THAT WE ARE VACCINATING AGAINST!  You wanna skip the flu shot, knock yourself out.  But get the important ones for you and your kids.


Can I skip it next year?  I promise to get my MMR booster though.

I got my flu and TDaP shots last October, and GODDAMN that tetanus one hurt for days.

//Volunteer at my kid's schools, seems prudent to get pertussis shot because it's running around pretty well these days.
 
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