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2013-06-20 10:48:45 AM
This is why we need PRISM.
 
2013-06-20 10:53:57 AM

clyph: Prank Call of Cthulhu: And I don't recall anything in the Bible saying, "End of the world (except for America)." So clearly, anyone who believes in/longs for/wants to hasten the Apocalypse hates America, wants to see it destroyed, and should be considered a terrorist.

I've had the same thought.

The cattle rancher I mentioned earlier should be arrested for manufacturing weapons of mass destruction.   If you believe that a perfect white bull can help end all life on Earth, then breeding such a critter is an act of terrorism.


red heifer, actually
 
2013-06-20 11:41:05 AM
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2013-06-20 11:41:34 AM

DrPainMD: Another case on non-terrorism, in which the non-terrorists will likely be convicted of terrorism and spend the rest of their lives in prison. According to this account, the FBI provided equipment that the guys with equipment that the weren't able to get, and without which the "death ray" could not be built (IOW, there was no threat and zero chance of a terrorist attack [altho, assassinating a politician isn't really terrorism] without the FBI's involvement). So, why aren't the FBI agents facing life in prison? Put me on the jury of these guys' trial and my vote is "not guilty."


Come on. you're making me feel empathy toward racists. No fair.

If you're gonna try to radiation poison your enemies fwiw there are much easier ways than death xray hold up knock at door.
 
2013-06-20 11:43:26 AM
Ignore the large truck (with no one in it) idling at 4,000 RPM with 4 alternators under the hood and numerous batteries in the back.  There's nothing wrong with making 2.5KW of mobile power with a dentist X-ray machine planted on top.  It's quite a common site in Detroit.

Semi-seriously did these two "domestic terrorists" think it through?  They did get the remote control part right.  You wouldn't want to be around a fast idling truck of death when it released "death rays".

i379.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-20 11:45:32 AM
unfortunately, they have to take each threat seriously, regardless of how retarded it may be.
 
2013-06-20 11:53:01 AM
WHAT !? No Dr. Horrible .... I am Dissapoint :(
 
2013-06-20 11:53:17 AM

DubtodaIll: utah dude: unchellmatt: Uhhh.... I'm not going to proclaim myself an expert on the subject, but I do have a bit of an understanding on how x-rays and x-ray machines work. Anyone an engineer or professional physicist who could correct me on this, but wouldn't the amount of energy required to cause such a massive, wide area burst of x-rays be rather... unwieldy? I mean, sure you could build something that would put out a lethal amount of x-rays in rather narrow band for a few meters, but in order to have something you could put in the middle of a street somewhere, fire it, and have it give off enough radiation to cause any sort of damage in anything like a respectable radius, that's going to require an awful lot of power.

maybe you could manifold a bunch of straight x-ray tubes along a resonant cavity with an open end and create a maser?

Seems like you could just get a standard X-Ray machine, or a couple, and just up the power input.  Would that work?


Aaaaand now you're all going to get arrested for speculating.
 
2013-06-20 12:03:18 PM
www.kawiforums.com
 
2013-06-20 12:05:51 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: since I have to worry about attenuation in air (let's say 20% for 10 m),


Inverse square law is how you figure out fluence loss over distance. So double the distance results in a quarter the dose.So the amount of power to get 10 Gy at 10 meters is huge. I have seen it, of course it required a few hundred amp service and a room filled with banks of capacitors the size of garbage cans.
 
2013-06-20 12:30:03 PM

dropdead: Prank Call of Cthulhu: since I have to worry about attenuation in air (let's say 20% for 10 m),

Inverse square law is how you figure out fluence loss over distance. So double the distance results in a quarter the dose.So the amount of power to get 10 Gy at 10 meters is huge. I have seen it, of course it required a few hundred amp service and a room filled with banks of capacitors the size of garbage cans.


I was lazy and just pretended it was a fairly collimated beam and used an online calculator to get the attenuation in air. Note that I also made the approximation that all the energy actually gets deposited in the muslin terrist, and none passes through him. How long did it take to accumulate 10 Gy at 10 m in the instance you're thinking of?
 
2013-06-20 12:35:49 PM

Jon iz teh kewl:


Where you been man? I missed you
 
2013-06-20 12:38:00 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: dropdead: Prank Call of Cthulhu: since I have to worry about attenuation in air (let's say 20% for 10 m),

Inverse square law is how you figure out fluence loss over distance. So double the distance results in a quarter the dose.So the amount of power to get 10 Gy at 10 meters is huge. I have seen it, of course it required a few hundred amp service and a room filled with banks of capacitors the size of garbage cans.

I was lazy and just pretended it was a fairly collimated beam and used an online calculator to get the attenuation in air. Note that I also made the approximation that all the energy actually gets deposited in the muslin terrist, and none passes through him. How long did it take to accumulate 10 Gy at 10 m in the instance you're thinking of?


^^^ THESE GUYS ARE TERRORISTS HEY OBAMA PRISM NSA TERRORISTS HERE READ THIS THEY ARE NUCLEAR TALKING COLLABORATING CHATTER
 
2013-06-20 12:51:46 PM

flondrix: In that earlier story, the FBI said he never managed to build a working radiation source. Also, there was no mention of Obama specifically in the earlier story. Basically, only the names are the same between the two stories.


Exactly
 
2013-06-20 12:52:43 PM

ransack.: ^^^ THESE GUYS ARE TERRORISTS HEY OBAMA PRISM NSA TERRORISTS HERE READ THIS THEY ARE NUCLEAR TALKING COLLABORATING CHATTER


Curses. My evil plan has been foiled. I'd have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't you meddling Farkers.
 
2013-06-20 12:58:59 PM
he allegedly inquired about technology that could kill "Israel's enemies while they slept"


Didn't Israel already use this on Arafat?
 
2013-06-20 01:02:08 PM
t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-20 01:02:59 PM
Was it powered by Solyndra solar panels?
 
2013-06-20 01:03:53 PM
From 1953 to 1976, beams of microwaves of 2.5 to 4.0 GHz were aimed at the US embassy building in Moscow.

The U.S.S.R. used a death ray for decades and no one died.
 
2013-06-20 01:17:44 PM

Christian Bale: From 1953 to 1976, beams of microwaves of 2.5 to 4.0 GHz were aimed at the US embassy building in Moscow.

The U.S.S.R. used a death ray for decades and no one died.


Microwaves != X-rays.

Plus, the intent there seems to have been eavesdropping.  It had been done on lower frequencies (330 MHz or so) until the 'bug' was discovered by the US in 1952.  The next logical step would have been to build one that operated on much higher frequencies.
 
2013-06-20 01:29:42 PM
Next they'll get Hannity for praying for Obama's death. What's this world coming too?
 
2013-06-20 01:42:22 PM

ransack.: Jon iz teh kewl:

Where you been man? I missed you


i posted a "who the fark cares" family guy pic during the tornato in OK
 
2013-06-20 02:00:29 PM

Bathia_Mapes: [img.fark.net image 500x476]


Came in for this, leaving satisfied.

/what took you so long?
//don't take this the wrong way, bathia, but have i told you lately that i love you?
 
2013-06-20 02:06:52 PM

Bathia_Mapes: [img.fark.net image 500x476]


Came here for this.
 
2013-06-20 03:59:38 PM
www.teslasociety.com

APPROVES.

/Actually came for Johnny Snow, but since that was covered...
//Hot like 1.21 Gigawatts
 
2013-06-20 04:39:47 PM

nucular bum: Bathia_Mapes: [img.fark.net image 500x476]

Came in for this, leaving satisfied.

/what took you so long?
//don't take this the wrong way, bathia, but have i told you lately that i love you?


Sorry it took so long, but I got kind of busy elsewhere. :-)
 
2013-06-20 09:46:28 PM

Bathia_Mapes: [img.fark.net image 500x476]


+1

Came for this, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-06-20 09:53:12 PM

zeroman987: DrPainMD: Another case on non-terrorism, in which the non-terrorists will likely be convicted of terrorism and spend the rest of their lives in prison. According to this account, the FBI provided equipment that the guys with equipment that the weren't able to get, and without which the "death ray" could not be built (IOW, there was no threat and zero chance of a terrorist attack [altho, assassinating a politician isn't really terrorism] without the FBI's involvement). So, why aren't the FBI agents facing life in prison? Put me on the jury of these guys' trial and my vote is "not guilty."

Impossibility is not a defense. Every first year law student knows this. What is important is their intent and what steps they took to carry out their intent. Do you really want people out there attempting to commit "impossible" crimes? Isn't it still wrong to try to rob a bank that does not have money but you think it has money? What happens if they dumb luck themselves into actually suceeding? What happens when their failed attempt causes collateral damage? Better to arrest them when they are actively planning and carrying out the first steps towards achieving their impossible goal. Then waiting for their death ray to blow up in their faces (and in the faces of innocent bystanders).


While we're playing Internet lawyer... Impossibility isn't a defense but entrapment may be.

Dude 1: Hey, I hate the president!
Dude 2: Yeah, wish we had a death ray, hahaha.
Flowers By Irene: Realllllyyyy? Sounds interesting, I have death ray parts in my garage!

Not saying the FBI can't pursue this stuff but there is eventually a line where you're pushing people into stuff they wouldn't or aren't capable of doing on their own.

/just wants to keep his shoes on in the airport..
 
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