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2013-06-20 09:18:53 AM
Now who still doesn't think that they're cracking down on free thought?
 
2013-06-20 09:19:56 AM
It's a brand new day and the birds are singing that you're gonna die.
 
2013-06-20 09:20:01 AM
When death rays are outlawed only outlaws will have death rays.
 
2013-06-20 09:22:00 AM

QT_3.14159: It's a brand new day and the birds are singing that you're gonna die.


Death ray, not a freeze ray, because that's all 'Johnny Snow'...
 
2013-06-20 09:22:22 AM
The FBI said Crawford was a member of the Ku Klux Klan and they began investigating him last year after he allegedly inquired about technology that could kill "Israel's enemies while they slept".

This isn't your father's KKK.
 
2013-06-20 09:22:35 AM
I could use a good death ray. Would keep the kids off the lawn.
 
2013-06-20 09:22:58 AM
Death rays are for posers -- poetic justice would be to kill him using a drone...
 
2013-06-20 09:23:02 AM

graeth: QT_3.14159: It's a brand new day and the birds are singing that you're gonna die.

Death ray, not a freeze ray, because that's all 'Johnny Snow'...


You know nothing about death rays, Jon Snow.

Freeze rays? Yes, because Winter is coming.
 
2013-06-20 09:23:13 AM
Planning, don't do it! It's against the law!
 
2013-06-20 09:24:28 AM
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Back Off, Fartbama!
 
2013-06-20 09:24:41 AM
Another case on non-terrorism, in which the non-terrorists will likely be convicted of terrorism and spend the rest of their lives in prison. According to this account, the FBI provided equipment that the guys with equipment that the weren't able to get, and without which the "death ray" could not be built (IOW, there was no threat and zero chance of a terrorist attack [altho, assassinating a politician isn't really terrorism] without the FBI's involvement). So, why aren't the FBI agents facing life in prison? Put me on the jury of these guys' trial and my vote is "not guilty."
 
2013-06-20 09:25:27 AM
Damn.  What did they do, lose him the first time around when the Atlantic Wire reported it and it was greenlit after a farker submitted it?  What is he, Houdini?
 
2013-06-20 09:25:28 AM
Special effects by BILLY!

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2013-06-20 09:25:29 AM
Note to self: always proofread before submitting.
 
2013-06-20 09:26:56 AM
A True American Patriot, right Republicans?
 
2013-06-20 09:31:23 AM
Uhhh.... I'm not going to proclaim myself an expert on the subject, but I do have a bit of an understanding on how x-rays and x-ray machines work. Anyone an engineer or professional physicist who could correct me on this, but wouldn't the amount of energy required to cause such a massive, wide area burst of x-rays be rather... unwieldy? I mean, sure you could build something that would put out a lethal amount of x-rays in rather narrow band for a few meters, but in order to have something you could put in the middle of a street somewhere, fire it, and have it give off enough radiation to cause any sort of damage in anything like a respectable radius, that's going to require an awful lot of power.
 
2013-06-20 09:32:52 AM
I really want to see the X-ray contraption these KKK rednecks were putting together.

Hey, did you know that if you rip sticky tape, it makes X-rays? It's true! And what do rednecks like to use to build stuff? That's right, duct tape!

I am envisioning some kind of Rube Goldberg device stuffed into a van, where the "remote initiator" is one of these guys down the street, blowing on a duck call. The duck call wakes up a sleeping duck in the van, who is in a giant hamster wheel. The duck starts waddling to find the lady duck he just heard, rotating the wheel, which turns a shaft, which unspools a bunch of rolls of duct tape, thus creating a lethal burst of Kenyan-socialist-frying X-rays. Brilliant!!!
 
2013-06-20 09:33:11 AM

DrPainMD: Another case on non-terrorism, in which the non-terrorists will likely be convicted of terrorism and spend the rest of their lives in prison. According to this account, the FBI provided equipment that the guys with equipment that the weren't able to get, and without which the "death ray" could not be built (IOW, there was no threat and zero chance of a terrorist attack [altho, assassinating a politician isn't really terrorism] without the FBI's involvement). So, why aren't the FBI agents facing life in prison? Put me on the jury of these guys' trial and my vote is "not guilty."


Impossibility is not a defense. Every first year law student knows this. What is important is their intent and what steps they took to carry out their intent. Do you really want people out there attempting to commit "impossible" crimes? Isn't it still wrong to try to rob a bank that does not have money but you think it has money? What happens if they dumb luck themselves into actually suceeding? What happens when their failed attempt causes collateral damage? Better to arrest them when they are actively planning and carrying out the first steps towards achieving their impossible goal. Then waiting for their death ray to blow up in their faces (and in the faces of innocent bystanders).
 
2013-06-20 09:33:14 AM
"and could be detonated remotely"

Are they actually suggesting that this was some sort of "XRay Bomb", or are the just saying "detonated" because "turned on and off" isn't dramatic enough?
 
2013-06-20 09:33:37 AM
Isn't this a repeat from yesterday?
 
2013-06-20 09:34:33 AM

unchellmatt: Uhhh.... I'm not going to proclaim myself an expert on the subject, but I do have a bit of an understanding on how x-rays and x-ray machines work. Anyone an engineer or professional physicist who could correct me on this, but wouldn't the amount of energy required to cause such a massive, wide area burst of x-rays be rather... unwieldy? I mean, sure you could build something that would put out a lethal amount of x-rays in rather narrow band for a few meters, but in order to have something you could put in the middle of a street somewhere, fire it, and have it give off enough radiation to cause any sort of damage in anything like a respectable radius, that's going to require an awful lot of power.


maybe you could manifold a bunch of straight x-ray tubes along a resonant cavity with an open end and create a maser?
 
2013-06-20 09:35:55 AM

utah dude: unchellmatt: Uhhh.... I'm not going to proclaim myself an expert on the subject, but I do have a bit of an understanding on how x-rays and x-ray machines work. Anyone an engineer or professional physicist who could correct me on this, but wouldn't the amount of energy required to cause such a massive, wide area burst of x-rays be rather... unwieldy? I mean, sure you could build something that would put out a lethal amount of x-rays in rather narrow band for a few meters, but in order to have something you could put in the middle of a street somewhere, fire it, and have it give off enough radiation to cause any sort of damage in anything like a respectable radius, that's going to require an awful lot of power.

maybe you could manifold a bunch of straight x-ray tubes along a resonant cavity with an open end and create a maser?


Seems like you could just get a standard X-Ray machine, or a couple, and just up the power input.  Would that work?
 
2013-06-20 09:36:01 AM
Photo of the suspects:


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2013-06-20 09:39:58 AM
utah dude:

maybe you could manifold a bunch of straight x-ray tubes along a resonant cavity with an open end and create a maser?

Or maybe you could get a ton of fertilizer, some racing fuel, and a Ryder truck.   It would be cheaper and more likely to actually work.
 
2013-06-20 09:40:59 AM
Nickola Tesla wanted for questioning?
 
2013-06-20 09:43:30 AM

Wellon Dowd: The FBI said Crawford was a member of the Ku Klux Klan and they began investigating him last year after he allegedly inquired about technology that could kill "Israel's enemies while they slept".

This isn't your father's KKK.


No kidding!
 
2013-06-20 09:49:02 AM
I saw this in the print version of the NY Daily News but it had no mention of Obama, just that they were planned on going after Muslims.
 
2013-06-20 09:50:18 AM

DubtodaIll: utah dude: unchellmatt: Uhhh.... I'm not going to proclaim myself an expert on the subject, but I do have a bit of an understanding on how x-rays and x-ray machines work. Anyone an engineer or professional physicist who could correct me on this, but wouldn't the amount of energy required to cause such a massive, wide area burst of x-rays be rather... unwieldy? I mean, sure you could build something that would put out a lethal amount of x-rays in rather narrow band for a few meters, but in order to have something you could put in the middle of a street somewhere, fire it, and have it give off enough radiation to cause any sort of damage in anything like a respectable radius, that's going to require an awful lot of power.

maybe you could manifold a bunch of straight x-ray tubes along a resonant cavity with an open end and create a maser?

Seems like you could just get a standard X-Ray machine, or a couple, and just up the power input.  Would that work?


From what that article said, they intended to park it somewhere, have it on a switch, and attempt to expose people nearby. That would require more than just a power outlet....

I'm reading up on it right now (don't know much about x-ray tube power requirements, I admit, and this IS out of my league), but from what I'm reading it would seem you'd need a rather sizable amount of power to pull off being able to expose people outside of, say, 3 meter radius. And even then, a simple pickup truck wouldn't be able to carry all the hardware. A big U-Haul maybe? But then the generators needed....
 
2013-06-20 09:51:38 AM

cwolf20: Damn.  What did they do, lose him the first time around when the Atlantic Wire reported it and it was greenlit after a farker submitted it?  What is he, Houdini?


In that earlier story, the FBI said he never managed to build a working radiation source.  Also, there was no mention of Obama specifically in the earlier story.  Basically, only the names are the same between the two stories.
 
2013-06-20 09:51:42 AM

unchellmatt: Uhhh.... I'm not going to proclaim myself an expert on the subject, but I do have a bit of an understanding on how x-rays and x-ray machines work. Anyone an engineer or professional physicist who could correct me on this, but wouldn't the amount of energy required to cause such a massive, wide area burst of x-rays be rather... unwieldy? I mean, sure you could build something that would put out a lethal amount of x-rays in rather narrow band for a few meters, but in order to have something you could put in the middle of a street somewhere, fire it, and have it give off enough radiation to cause any sort of damage in anything like a respectable radius, that's going to require an awful lot of power.


Just off the cuff here, but if you wanted to produce 60-keV X-rays, at 1% efficiency, you'd need 10^16 electrons to produce a Joule of energy. One of the articles about this claimed they could produce a dose of 10 Gy, which would be 10 J/kg, so even if I only wanted to irradiate 10 kg of evil Muslim flesh, that's now like 10^18 electrons, and since I have to worry about attenuation in air (let's say 20% for 10 m), that's 10^19 electrons. If I want to do it in a second, I need on the order of an Amp of current and a 60-kW power supply (that's going to dump most of the energy to heat). If I'm willing to accept longer irradiation times, I can use a lower current and smaller power supply. So it's not crazily undoable, but I don't see some Kluxers (who can barely manage to light a cross without igniting their robes) pulling it off.
 
2013-06-20 09:52:27 AM

Wellon Dowd: The FBI said Crawford was a member of the Ku Klux Klan and they began investigating him last year after he allegedly inquired about technology that could kill "Israel's enemies while they slept".

This isn't your father's KKK.


Yeah, that's kind of funky, and the idea that someone is a member of the Klan, but the first person he goes to with his idea is a rabbi at the local synagogue is just plain *WEIRD*.
 
2013-06-20 09:54:26 AM

unchellmatt: DubtodaIll: utah dude: unchellmatt: Uhhh.... I'm not going to proclaim myself an expert on the subject, but I do have a bit of an understanding on how x-rays and x-ray machines work. Anyone an engineer or professional physicist who could correct me on this, but wouldn't the amount of energy required to cause such a massive, wide area burst of x-rays be rather... unwieldy? I mean, sure you could build something that would put out a lethal amount of x-rays in rather narrow band for a few meters, but in order to have something you could put in the middle of a street somewhere, fire it, and have it give off enough radiation to cause any sort of damage in anything like a respectable radius, that's going to require an awful lot of power.

maybe you could manifold a bunch of straight x-ray tubes along a resonant cavity with an open end and create a maser?

Seems like you could just get a standard X-Ray machine, or a couple, and just up the power input.  Would that work?

From what that article said, they intended to park it somewhere, have it on a switch, and attempt to expose people nearby. That would require more than just a power outlet....

I'm reading up on it right now (don't know much about x-ray tube power requirements, I admit, and this IS out of my league), but from what I'm reading it would seem you'd need a rather sizable amount of power to pull off being able to expose people outside of, say, 3 meter radius. And even then, a simple pickup truck wouldn't be able to carry all the hardware. A big U-Haul maybe? But then the generators needed....


What kind of ray-band do those "crowd dispersal"  trucks the army/national guard have use?  I remember seeing something on History or Discovery a few years ago about those things.  They said they have very specific "UN Sanctioned" frequencies that limit it to just a discomforting sensation on the skin.  Of course, I'm sure the settings dial on that thing can easily go in from "Heat and Discomfort" to "Extra Crispy"   And the size of was about the same as an MRAP.
 
2013-06-20 09:54:58 AM
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Another case solved by super agent Bart Fargo and a swinging jazz riff. Bop-ah-dop-ah-dah-dah !
 
2013-06-20 09:58:53 AM
"Obama kill plot pair"?  Are we now having headlines written by third-graders?
 
2013-06-20 10:00:49 AM

MFAWG: Wellon Dowd: The FBI said Crawford was a member of the Ku Klux Klan and they began investigating him last year after he allegedly inquired about technology that could kill "Israel's enemies while they slept".

This isn't your father's KKK.

No kidding!


Actually, there's kind of this weird alliance between whacky Christians and whacky Jews.   Basically they believe that the Apocalypse / Second Coming / Rapture won't happen until the Temple of Solomon is rebuilt.   Since the Temple Mount is now the home of the Dome of the Rock and the al-Aqsa Mosque (Islam's 3rd holiest site), that won't happen until Israel's enemies (IE Islam) are defeated.

So, from their perspective, helping Israel makes perfect sense no matter how much they hate the Jooz, because Jeebus won't come back and rapture their stupid asses up to heaven unless the Jooz rebuild their temple.

There's a redneck cattle breeder (in Texas, IIRC) who's working to raise a special breed of bulls that meet the specific requirements called for in the Torah for the sacrifice needed to re-dedicate the Temple.   There's a whole bunch of shait that needs to happen to make the prophecy come true, and there are people out there working diligently to make sure The End Of The World can happen.
 
2013-06-20 10:03:55 AM

clyph: There's a whole bunch of shait that needs to happen to make the prophecy come true, and there are people out there working diligently to make sure The End Of The World can happen.


And I don't recall anything in the Bible saying, "End of the world (except for America)." So clearly, anyone who believes in/longs for/wants to hasten the Apocalypse hates America, wants to see it destroyed, and should be considered a terrorist.
 
2013-06-20 10:04:16 AM
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Death Ray
 
2013-06-20 10:13:38 AM

clyph: utah dude:

maybe you could manifold a bunch of straight x-ray tubes along a resonant cavity with an open end and create a maser?

Or maybe you could get a ton of fertilizer, some racing fuel, and a Ryder truck.   It would be cheaper and more likely to actually work.


you've put way too much thought into this. please expect visitors within the hour.
 
2013-06-20 10:15:05 AM

unchellmatt: I'm reading up on it right now (don't know much about x-ray tube power requirements, I admit, and this IS out of my league), but from what I'm reading it would seem you'd need a rather sizable amount of power to pull off being able to expose people outside of, say, 3 meter radius. And even then, a simple pickup truck wouldn't be able to carry all the hardware. A big U-Haul maybe? But then the generators needed....


just use batteries and a big magnet to erase the hard drive with the evidence on it, Jesse.
 
2013-06-20 10:15:05 AM

DubtodaIll: What kind of ray-band do those "crowd dispersal"  trucks the army/national guard have use?  I remember seeing something on History or Discovery a few years ago about those things.  They said they have very specific "UN Sanctioned" frequencies that limit it to just a discomforting sensation on the skin.  Of course, I'm sure the settings dial on that thing can easily go in from "Heat and Discomfort" to "Extra Crispy"   And the size of was about the same as an MRAP.


Microwave.

In fact, radar as we know it actually grew out of a half-serious suggestion prior to WWII of using radio waves as a sort of 'death ray' against enemy pilots.
 
2013-06-20 10:15:52 AM

Wellon Dowd: The FBI said Crawford was a member of the Ku Klux Klan and they began investigating him last year after he allegedly inquired about technology that could kill "Israel's enemies while they slept".

This isn't your father's KKK.


My impression is that they will admit any paranoid xenophobic tool these days. These nuts probably believe protecting Israel is important for insuring Christs return. Either that, or they just thought "you know who would know about this technology... THE JEWS" and were ballsy enough to try and ask them. It also speaks much to the klans desire maintain a low profile they helped turn them in.
 
2013-06-20 10:16:06 AM

DubtodaIll: What kind of ray-band do those "crowd dispersal" trucks the army/national guard have use? I remember seeing something on History or Discovery a few years ago about those things. They said they have very specific "UN Sanctioned" frequencies that limit it to just a discomforting sensation on the skin. Of course, I'm sure the settings dial on that thing can easily go in from "Heat and Discomfort" to "Extra Crispy" And the size of was about the same as an MRAP.


I believe that's the Active Denial System you're thinking of. That uses microwave energy, not x-ray.
 
2013-06-20 10:16:21 AM

utah dude: you've put way too much thought into this. please expect visitors within the hour.


My wife won't let me buy fertilizer.   She's into organic gardening.
 
2013-06-20 10:21:38 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: And I don't recall anything in the Bible saying, "End of the world (except for America)." So clearly, anyone who believes in/longs for/wants to hasten the Apocalypse hates America, wants to see it destroyed, and should be considered a terrorist.


I've had the same thought.

The cattle rancher I mentioned earlier should be arrested for manufacturing weapons of mass destruction.   If you believe that a perfect white bull can help end all life on Earth, then breeding such a critter is an act of terrorism.
 
2013-06-20 10:23:07 AM

clyph: utah dude: you've put way too much thought into this. please expect visitors within the hour.

My wife won't let me buy fertilizer.   She's into organic gardening.


I was actually just starting to realize ... I've been Googling everything I could find on x-ray machines, attenuation of various types of radiation (ie microwave vs x-ray vs etc etc), how much power is needed.... And it dawned on me that I may find myself getting a visit from the NSA.

But hey, we needed an equivalent of the 4Chan party van!
 
2013-06-20 10:25:11 AM
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It's just an "Ooo-Ray".
 
2013-06-20 10:37:10 AM
A death ray?  How are these even possible?
 
2013-06-20 10:42:07 AM
amidst all of this PRISM crap and NSA spying scandals, I would not be surprised if this article was completely fabricated to show how spying on US citizens can benefit us. Honestly, i wouldnt care if they or anyone else succeeded, our president is a bigot and falsely represents what this country was founded upon.

/inbeforeNSAraidsmyhouse
 
2013-06-20 10:42:08 AM

clyph: utah dude: you've put way too much thought into this. please expect visitors within the hour.

My wife won't let me buy fertilizer.   She's into organic gardening.


you should shiat in her garden.
 
2013-06-20 10:44:35 AM

bluorangefyre: A death ray?  How are these even possible?


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