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2013-06-20 11:42:01 AM
This is a travesty of our civil rights!Bush and Cheney should be impeached!Wait, what...? Ah, never mind.
 
2013-06-20 11:44:57 AM

Strik3r: Your proctologist has not been implicated in the spying


They're not telling you everything.

Your proctologist is spilling the beans to the NSA proctologist. But it's a two way street. The NSA is talking to your proctologist.

If you'd like to know more about the NSA, ask your proctologist.
 
2013-06-20 11:50:43 AM
My privacy is being violated! I am totally going to update my Facebook status about this!
 
2013-06-20 11:52:30 AM
They can monitor me from the sky all they want. All they will discover is that I don't spend much time on my roof.
 
2013-06-20 11:53:55 AM

Deep Contact: Then how come they missed the guy in the boat?


Listen, it was late, I had a long day, I had too much to drink... wait what are we talking about?
 
2013-06-20 11:54:18 AM

IdBeCrazyIf: I'm still shocked that anyone is honestly still surprised at this


Yeah...  Done in one.

This is the thing...  And this is not paranoia speaking.  The gov't has been spying on it's own citizens since time out of mind.  And they will continue to.  This whole thing with congressional inquiries into the whole thing is a dog and pony show.  It means nothing.  It's just a way for the gov't to say, "WE'RE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THIS INVASION OF PRIVACY!"  While all the while doing nothing of the sort.

Jerkoffs like Snowden that started this whole mess are really just making things worse and wasting more money.

The gov't is not looking through your emails, or tapping your calls, or looking through your windows with satellite cameras.  Why would they?  (Unless you have something to hide).

In other words, they could, but they only WOULD if given a reason.
And like it or not, there is not a damn thing you can do about it.  Complain all you want.  Rat out all the sources you want.  Question whoever you want.  The people in the background that have kept this going on for all this time will not be affected even in the slightest.
 
2013-06-20 11:55:52 AM

cefm: There's a world of difference between armed remote-control aircraft being used to kill people in foreign countries that we are not at war with and the use of remote-control aircraft here in the US for entertainment, for competition, to take mapping or survey photographs, to deliver pizza, or to take photo/video of a crime scene.


Neither of which are the case here, so your point is irrelevant.

No citizen of the United States has any legitimate reason to object to the FBI using a remote-control aircraft to take photos of, film, and otherwise provide situational awareness of a crime scene.  It's a 100% legitimate investigative tool and unless it somehow interferes with the FAA's flight paths (unlikely) it is 100% legal as it is currently used.

How do you know how it's being used, since by their own admission, they have no standards, no policies, and no procedures, and no details of when or how they're being used has been released?
 
2013-06-20 11:56:13 AM

megarian: fullyautomatic: megarian: Cool. I printed out a giant aerial picture of a small nuclear storage facility, a large meth lab, various sundry brown people, and women on leashes tied to trees and placed it over my property.

For the lulz.


I lol'ed at this. Can you send me the aerial pic of the women on leashes for my basement backyard?

Sure. What flavor kind of girl? I have a special on the ones that don't speak any of the romance languages.


Now you are the kind of person I would invite to parties.
 
2013-06-20 11:57:14 AM

cefm: There's a world of difference between armed remote-control aircraft being used to kill people in foreign countries that we are not at war with and the use of remote-control aircraft here in the US for entertainment, for competition, to take mapping or survey photographs, to deliver pizza, or to take photo/video of a crime scene.

What the loonies in the media and Congress are doing very successfully right now is attempting to take the legitimate moral ethical and legal outrage over #1 and transfer it to #2 because it's the FBI and that means it's Obama and he bad.

No citizen of the United States has any legitimate reason to object to the FBI using a remote-control aircraft to take photos of, film, and otherwise provide situational awareness of a crime scene.  It's a 100% legitimate investigative tool and unless it somehow interferes with the FAA's flight paths (unlikely) it is 100% legal as it is currently used.

So go take a cold shower and rub one out on some Ayn Rand books, Mr. Tea-Bag idiot, there's no story here.


This this and this.  They fly a small UAV with a camera around active crime scenes.  That's perfectly legitimate.

Also, anyone who uses the term "drone" is probably not informed enough on the topic to speak inteligently.
 
2013-06-20 11:58:19 AM
(lifted word for word from http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=3005)

Oh, so I guess you want colon cancer to win.
 
2013-06-20 11:58:40 AM

PanicMan: cefm: There's a world of difference between armed remote-control aircraft being used to kill people in foreign countries that we are not at war with and the use of remote-control aircraft here in the US for entertainment, for competition, to take mapping or survey photographs, to deliver pizza, or to take photo/video of a crime scene.

What the loonies in the media and Congress are doing very successfully right now is attempting to take the legitimate moral ethical and legal outrage over #1 and transfer it to #2 because it's the FBI and that means it's Obama and he bad.

No citizen of the United States has any legitimate reason to object to the FBI using a remote-control aircraft to take photos of, film, and otherwise provide situational awareness of a crime scene.  It's a 100% legitimate investigative tool and unless it somehow interferes with the FAA's flight paths (unlikely) it is 100% legal as it is currently used.

So go take a cold shower and rub one out on some Ayn Rand books, Mr. Tea-Bag idiot, there's no story here.

This this and this.  They fly a small UAV with a camera around active crime scenes.  That's perfectly legitimate.

Also, anyone who uses the term "drone" is probably not informed enough on the topic to speak inteligently.


I'm very infromed on the topic, though.
 
2013-06-20 12:01:41 PM

durbnpoisn: IdBeCrazyIf: I'm still shocked that anyone is honestly still surprised at this

Yeah...  Done in one.

This is the thing...  And this is not paranoia speaking.  The gov't has been spying on it's own citizens since time out of mind.  And they will continue to.  This whole thing with congressional inquiries into the whole thing is a dog and pony show.  It means nothing.  It's just a way for the gov't to say, "WE'RE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THIS INVASION OF PRIVACY!"  While all the while doing nothing of the sort.

Jerkoffs like Snowden that started this whole mess are really just making things worse and wasting more money.

The gov't is not looking through your emails, or tapping your calls, or looking through your windows with satellite cameras.  Why would they?  (Unless you have something to hide).

In other words, they could, but they only WOULD if given a reason.
And like it or not, there is not a damn thing you can do about it.  Complain all you want.  Rat out all the sources you want.  Question whoever you want.  The people in the background that have kept this going on for all this time will not be affected even in the slightest.


bullshiat. You should be outraged about the NSA thing. There are common rules that we all have to follow and the NSA doesn't get to ignore them just because it's convenient for them to do so. That being said, the FBI operating a handful of drones for legitimate (and legal) purposes isn't a big deal.
 
2013-06-20 12:01:56 PM
The important thing is that all of these 'scandals' are really just a way to waste everyone's time on an issue that will never go away whilst simultaneously Congress does absolutely f*cking zero.

I wouldn't be surprised if all this crap, Snowden included, was just done on purpose to distract us from the fact that our government in essence should be governing, which means drafting workable legislative compromises, and yet the immigration bill is a morass of crap and Congress wants to focus all its time and effort on an abortion bill and repealing Obamacare for the sake of political gamesmanship, two things which will never pass the Senate but will get out its base of crazies in 2014.

If you want the government to spy on you less, then VOTE FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DEFUND THE MILITARY AND INTELLIGENCE ORGANIZATIONS.

Maybe we could even save a little cash too.
 
2013-06-20 12:04:19 PM

verbaltoxin: PanicMan: cefm: There's a world of difference between armed remote-control aircraft being used to kill people in foreign countries that we are not at war with and the use of remote-control aircraft here in the US for entertainment, for competition, to take mapping or survey photographs, to deliver pizza, or to take photo/video of a crime scene.

What the loonies in the media and Congress are doing very successfully right now is attempting to take the legitimate moral ethical and legal outrage over #1 and transfer it to #2 because it's the FBI and that means it's Obama and he bad.

No citizen of the United States has any legitimate reason to object to the FBI using a remote-control aircraft to take photos of, film, and otherwise provide situational awareness of a crime scene.  It's a 100% legitimate investigative tool and unless it somehow interferes with the FAA's flight paths (unlikely) it is 100% legal as it is currently used.

So go take a cold shower and rub one out on some Ayn Rand books, Mr. Tea-Bag idiot, there's no story here.

This this and this.  They fly a small UAV with a camera around active crime scenes.  That's perfectly legitimate.

Also, anyone who uses the term "drone" is probably not informed enough on the topic to speak inteligently.

I'm very infromed on the topic, though.


Whar flight certifct whar?
 
2013-06-20 12:04:59 PM

bdub77: The important thing is that all of these 'scandals' are really just a way to waste everyone's time on an issue that will never go away whilst simultaneously Congress does absolutely f*cking zero.

I wouldn't be surprised if all this crap, Snowden included, was just done on purpose to distract us from the fact that our government in essence should be governing, which means drafting workable legislative compromises, and yet the immigration bill is a morass of crap and Congress wants to focus all its time and effort on an abortion bill and repealing Obamacare for the sake of political gamesmanship, two things which will never pass the Senate but will get out its base of crazies in 2014.

If you want the government to spy on you less, then VOTE FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DEFUND THE MILITARY AND INTELLIGENCE ORGANIZATIONS.

Maybe we could even save a little cash too.


Yes but the Greens will never win! That's throwing your vote away!
 
2013-06-20 12:05:48 PM

PanicMan: verbaltoxin: PanicMan: cefm: There's a world of difference between armed remote-control aircraft being used to kill people in foreign countries that we are not at war with and the use of remote-control aircraft here in the US for entertainment, for competition, to take mapping or survey photographs, to deliver pizza, or to take photo/video of a crime scene.

What the loonies in the media and Congress are doing very successfully right now is attempting to take the legitimate moral ethical and legal outrage over #1 and transfer it to #2 because it's the FBI and that means it's Obama and he bad.

No citizen of the United States has any legitimate reason to object to the FBI using a remote-control aircraft to take photos of, film, and otherwise provide situational awareness of a crime scene.  It's a 100% legitimate investigative tool and unless it somehow interferes with the FAA's flight paths (unlikely) it is 100% legal as it is currently used.

So go take a cold shower and rub one out on some Ayn Rand books, Mr. Tea-Bag idiot, there's no story here.

This this and this.  They fly a small UAV with a camera around active crime scenes.  That's perfectly legitimate.

Also, anyone who uses the term "drone" is probably not informed enough on the topic to speak inteligently.

I'm very infromed on the topic, though.

Whar flight certifct whar?


I have my own drone. It's the DHF-76 Patriotic.
 
2013-06-20 12:09:52 PM

bdub77: The important thing is that all of these 'scandals' are really just a way to waste everyone's time on an issue that will never go away whilst simultaneously Congress does absolutely f*cking zero.


I've got an entire roll of aluminum foil that you can just have if you're willing to come over and get it.
 
2013-06-20 12:10:19 PM
"...such drone use is done in a "very, very minimal way, and very seldom."

Yes, I'm raping you, but I only stick it in for 30 seconds, and only once a month. So we're good, right?
 
2013-06-20 12:10:52 PM

Amish Tech Support: Ok America,

Why are we all suddenly enraged by something that has been going on for years?

So next week are we all going to discover the atrocities in Vietnam?


They'll forget about this as soon as Kim and Kanye show pics of their baby and start their own Kim, Kanye, and K-baby foundation.
 
2013-06-20 12:15:03 PM
im not offended, shocked or scared im just amazed that anyone could sit thru watching my boring ass life.
 
2013-06-20 12:18:36 PM

nmemkha: They can monitor me from the sky all they want. All they will discover is that I don't spend much time on my roof.


What "monitors from the sky" might see. So very SFW.

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-20 12:21:20 PM

Voiceofreason01: bdub77: The important thing is that all of these 'scandals' are really just a way to waste everyone's time on an issue that will never go away whilst simultaneously Congress does absolutely f*cking zero.

I've got an entire roll of aluminum foil that you can just have if you're willing to come over and get it.


content.costco.com
 
2013-06-20 12:21:48 PM

Krumet: "...such drone use is done in a "very, very minimal way, and very seldom."

Yes, I'm raping you, but I only stick it in for 30 seconds, and only once a month. So we're good, right?


does it hurt being that stupid or is it something you get used to eventually?
 
2013-06-20 12:24:31 PM
"adding that such drone use is done in a "very, very minimal way, and very seldom."

Translation: They're recording EVERYTHING, EVERYWHERE, and they saw you fart in your house via infrared sensors.

i2.ytimg.com
 
2013-06-20 12:24:48 PM
Did anyone else have the FBI and ahem the State Department on their college campus recruiting in the early 90s to staff carnivore?  Seriously, they had a booth at the job fair at ours.  It seems like ya got a signed picture of Reno for listening to their pitch, but I may be mistaken.  Just seeing if anyone else was witness to that.  Carnivore was their selling point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_(software)   just in case the ipod generation is shaking its head

/yes, is for real.
//is why all of this is so blase to me
///yawns again
 
2013-06-20 12:26:38 PM

verbaltoxin: Voiceofreason01: bdub77: The important thing is that all of these 'scandals' are really just a way to waste everyone's time on an issue that will never go away whilst simultaneously Congress does absolutely f*cking zero.

I've got an entire roll of aluminum foil that you can just have if you're willing to come over and get it.

[content.costco.com image 300x300]


NO thanks, I make mine myself, ALCOA with the help of the NSA/CIA built in a way to get the mind-control waves through Reynolds and other aluminum foil wraps.
 
2013-06-20 12:29:19 PM

IdBeCrazyIf: I'm still shocked that anyone is honestly still surprised at this


Right?!? Everyone go back to sleep and quit worrying about who the gov is looking at and killing and supporting around the globe.

It's all in your best interests and the best interests o' The Children.
 
2013-06-20 12:30:48 PM
Bush is spying in 2007:
  -  Republicans: This is needed for security.
  -  Democrats: This is an outrage of liberty.

Obama is spying in 2013:
  -  Democatss: This is needed for security.
  -  Republicans: This is an outrage of liberty.

/trollface
 
2013-06-20 12:32:14 PM
If they have a valid reason, and a warrant, why not? They have done this forever, drones, regular planes, choppers, who cares?
 
2013-06-20 12:34:34 PM

Voiceofreason01: the FBI operating a handful of drones for legitimate (and legal) purposes isn't a big deal


You're making a rather large assumption that that's what's going on. In light of the NSA revelations, the Feds have zero credibility when they assure us that they're respecting civil liberties.
 
2013-06-20 12:36:06 PM

Frank Bullitt it be: This is a travesty of our civil rights!Bush and Cheney should be impeached!Wait, what...? Ah, never mind.


Yeah its not Fascism not that Obama is doing it according to the Fark Liberals™
 
2013-06-20 12:38:14 PM

TheShavingofOccam123


The FBI is videotaping my what?

I'm sorry but I don't understand. Whom should I call?


Ghostbusters.
 
2013-06-20 12:39:59 PM

verbaltoxin


I'm very infromed on the topic, though.


Call him Ethan 'cause he's inFromed!
 
2013-06-20 12:41:48 PM

Thunderpipes: If they have a valid reason, and a warrant, why not? They have done this forever, drones, regular planes, choppers, who cares?


If they're getting their warrant through the FISA kangaroo court which acts as a rubber stamp, there's no check to ensure that they have a valid reason. If they secure a warrant from a non-secret court (even if the warrant is sealed for a time) and the judge actually pulls his head out of his ass and weighs the probable cause alleged, then that's fine.

The fact that the US Government has recently asserted that it has the right to kill people at a whim overseas using such drones also is a source of concern. If murder is OK, why should the FBI be concerned about performing illegal searches in the US? They already have shotguns mounted on tactical police robots; how long will it be until they do the same with larger drones?
 
2013-06-20 12:46:17 PM
Thing that worries me, is this administration is using government agencies like the DOJ, IRS, EPA to brazenly target politcal opponents. I could see them using drones to simply spy on conservatives.
 
2013-06-20 12:46:28 PM
Has anyone figured out how many watchers we need?
Maybe can recruit on pizza boxes or sumptin,,,
Meet the new Department of Watching,,,
What qualifications do you need to watch the watchers watching,,,
 
2013-06-20 12:47:43 PM
Well, at least they are using tape. By the time the drone lands, they eject the tape, pop it in the VHS, rewind, hit play, and adjust tracking... I will already have finished with my hookers and blow and be on the way to the clinic for my monthly std test. Nice try big brother! You lose again!
 
2013-06-20 12:47:51 PM

Thunderpipes: Thing that worries me, is this administration is using government agencies like the DOJ, IRS, EPA to brazenly target politcal opponents. I could see them using drones to simply spy on conservatives.


Since the Cons do so little, what exactly are they gonna watch?
 
2013-06-20 12:48:27 PM

snocone: Thunderpipes: Thing that worries me, is this administration is using government agencies like the DOJ, IRS, EPA to brazenly target politcal opponents. I could see them using drones to simply spy on conservatives.

Since the Cons do so little, what exactly are they gonna watch?


Hoverround on Hoverround action.
 
2013-06-20 12:50:36 PM

Thunderpipes: Thing that worries me, is this administration is using government agencies like the DOJ, IRS, EPA to brazenly target politcal opponents. I could see them using drones to simply spy on conservatives.


It is brazen only because EVERYBODY does it, all the time, regularly, when it is their turn.
That standard practice is now no longer just a rumor, brazen.
 
2013-06-20 12:55:15 PM

Oldiron_79: Frank Bullitt it be: This is a travesty of our civil rights!Bush and Cheney should be impeached!Wait, what...? Ah, never mind.

Yeah its not Fascism not that Obama is doing it according to the Fark Liberals™


Everyone knows that fascism can't exist in America. After all, America is a democracy. Or, wait... a republic? Whatever. Irregardless, the American government is  of the people and  for the people and  by the people and all that, so we'll never have federal agencies that disregard constitutional rights. It's not like we'd imprison people without due process, or murder American citizens without even a trial. And even if we did have such agencies, it's not like they have paramilitary armies that would descend on a city and march people out of their houses at gunpoint. Most importantly, if these agencies are spying on us, it's not like they'd use the information they gather for any reason other than catching terrorists. Duh.

Don't worry, politicians are on your side. Especially if those politicians align with your political ideology. Then they're definitely on your side and wouldn't do anything to harm you.
 
2013-06-20 12:59:10 PM

Oldiron_79: Frank Bullitt it be: This is a travesty of our civil rights!Bush and Cheney should be impeached!Wait, what...? Ah, never mind.

Yeah its not Fascism not that Obama is doing it according to the Fark Liberals™


Just ignore all of them that are pissed at Obama about the NSA stuff.

This FBI using UAVs at active crime scenes is very "meh" on the outrage scale.

Wholesale harvesting of cell phone, email, and internet search history data on the other hand is a bit different, no matter how technically legal it is.

What part of "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. " is so hard for our government to understand.
 
2013-06-20 12:59:48 PM
Thunderpipes: Thing that worries me, is this administration is using government agencies like the DOJ, IRS, EPA to brazenly target politcal opponents. I could see them using drones to simply spy on conservatives.   herp... derp... derp...

ftfy...
 
2013-06-20 01:01:03 PM

bdub77: My privacy is being violated! I am totally going to update my Facebook status about this!


Are you really unaware that there is a difference between information freely given to an entity of you choice, and information taken without your permission by people you don't necessarily want to have that information?
 
2013-06-20 01:03:01 PM

meat0918: Oldiron_79: Frank Bullitt it be: This is a travesty of our civil rights!Bush and Cheney should be impeached!Wait, what...? Ah, never mind.

Yeah its not Fascism not that Obama is doing it according to the Fark Liberals™

Just ignore all of them that are pissed at Obama about the NSA stuff.

This FBI using UAVs at active crime scenes is very "meh" on the outrage scale.

Wholesale harvesting of cell phone, email, and internet search history data on the other hand is a bit different, no matter how technically legal it is.

What part of "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. " is so hard for our government to understand.


Well, it is not the understanding, it is the not wanting it that way.
So, chip, chip, chip,
 
2013-06-20 01:03:43 PM

cefm: There's a world of difference between armed remote-control aircraft being used to kill people in foreign countries that we are not at war with and the use of remote-control aircraft here in the US for entertainment, for competition, to take mapping or survey photographs, to deliver pizza, or to take photo/video of a crime scene.

What the loonies in the media and Congress are doing very successfully right now is attempting to take the legitimate moral ethical and legal outrage over #1 and transfer it to #2 because it's the FBI and that means it's Obama and he bad.

No citizen of the United States has any legitimate reason to object to the FBI using a remote-control aircraft to take photos of, film, and otherwise provide situational awareness of a crime scene.  It's a 100% legitimate investigative tool and unless it somehow interferes with the FAA's flight paths (unlikely) it is 100% legal as it is currently used.

So go take a cold shower and rub one out on some Ayn Rand books, Mr. Tea-Bag idiot, there's no story here.


This. Anyway, as far as we know, theNSA isn't "recording all of your phone calls and e-mails." I'm not saying they aren't, but the only information available is that they are only collecting records of who is talking to whom. They are specifically forbidden to read e-mails, and can wiretap only with a warrant.
 
2013-06-20 01:05:43 PM

jjorsett: The day will shortly be here, if it isn't already, when all urban areas will be videotaped in high resolution 24/7 from surveillance aircraft or satellites. I've seen demonstrations of such a system in which individuals are identifiable or nearly so. It'll be essentially what London is trying to do, except they won't have to carpet a city with a gazillion individual cameras and there won't be any uncovered areas.


They tried to implement that here in lovely Dayton, Ohio.  Well, sort of: the official proposal included a loitering manned aircraft, but it would be a small step to remove the expensive pilot and utilize a drone.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/technology-and-liberty-national-security/oh io -aerial-surveillance-system-moving-forward-without

The Dayton City Commission declined the proposal, but since the area is a hotbed of drone and sensor research, I would not be surprised to see it resurface in the near future.
 
2013-06-20 01:15:12 PM

DrPainMD: Is there anybody left who doesn't see that our greatest enemy (our only enemy, really) is our own government? Anybody?


Anyone who voted for Obama.
 
2013-06-20 01:16:50 PM
I'm surprised that all these Americans enjoyed their overbearing, nosy, intrusive parents, who didn't knock before opening the door when the radio was on.

Aren't we all adults now?
 
2013-06-20 01:31:28 PM
This is hardly a surprise. Drones have been used in the US as surveillance devices for years now, but they aren't the "everywhere, 24 hours a day" blanket coverage some pearl-clutchers here are worried about. Besides, once you're outside, you are no longer in a "private" area and are subject to being watched by the government in some manner.

I once toured a company outside of Elizabeth City, NC that was making aerostats (basically tethered blimps) used for detecting drug smuggling vehicles in the Gulf of Mexico. They were working in a gigantic WWII ASW blimp hangar and we only wanted to see the building; instead, we got a tour of their aerostat production facility. :(
 
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