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2013-06-19 09:08:15 PM
5 votes:

great_tigers: Because health cost benefits have decreased for those working. An MRI for my wife three years ago would have been an out of pocket cost of 100 bucks. Now it is 1100, we are too scared to see what her hip surgery will cost. We are choosing to deal with it.


Good for you!
I'm glad you are opting for choice.
I call bullshiat.

Three years ago, your wife was probably employed and now she isn't.  Or some other piece of the puzzle is missing.
2013-06-20 12:28:51 AM
4 votes:

o5iiawah: Just raise the top income tax rate, levy a tax on so-called 'Cadillac' health plans, levy a tax on medical devices, Raid the VA and tri-care budget, take money out of medicare and put all that into the offset of consumer costs. In other words,  Raise taxes and use it to subsidize costs.  Ooh! but look at all the money I save!

firefly212: The reality for these towns is that taxes should be slightly higher, high enough that civil servants and public employees can feed their families, pay their mortgage AND go to the doctors office when they are sick. These aren't wacky demands from some lazy welfare queens

So an able bodied man (A) owes a percentage of his wage to another able bodied man (B) how?  Please explain the origin of that debt.  What then does B owe to A upon A's request?  B willingly chose to purchase a home and start a family. Why is it fair to A that he has to labor not only for his own family but for B?


Yes, you owe tax money from your wages to the government... You owe for police, you owe for fire, you owe for ambulances, you owe for roads that enable you to get to work, you owe for roads that enable your product to go to consumers from your work, you owe for the streetlights that owe those streets. The people who do those works, who do those jobs, are owed money, by you, for the performance of their duties.

Jesus Christ, are you like farking 4 or something?
2013-06-19 09:48:08 PM
4 votes:
Twice I tore a cartilage, once in each knee. Both needed surgery. Wait time in Toronto, the city with the longest wait times? 8 hours and 18 hours. One was a week in hospital, the other 5 days. Total cost without any company insurance? Like $10 for a pair of crutches, and like $10 for some prescription painkillers. Even the physio was free.

Ya, Canada's medical systems sucks, just like the Retardicans say.
2013-06-19 09:20:25 PM
4 votes:

Iron Felix: Try going to work for a great company with a great insurance plan.  Then you get laid off unexpectedly and cobra costs your family $1900/month.  Healthcare in the US is an absolute joke.


This I agree with.
The ACA isn't a health care reform, it was an insurance reform.
Baby steps.
The thing sucks, but it is a move in the right direction.
2013-06-19 09:16:26 PM
4 votes:
Try going to work for a great company with a great insurance plan.  Then you get laid off unexpectedly and cobra costs your family $1900/month.  Healthcare in the US is an absolute joke.
2013-06-19 09:07:49 PM
4 votes:
A one month year-over-year decrease in the medical costs inflation RATE does not a reduction make.  Call me when medical prices are falling or when it's -1C in Hell.
2013-06-19 09:06:15 PM
4 votes:
Because health cost benefits have decreased for those working. An MRI for my wife three years ago would have been an out of pocket cost of 100 bucks. Now it is 1100, we are too scared to see what her hip surgery will cost. We are choosing to deal with it.
2013-06-19 10:14:02 PM
3 votes:
If only there were an interweb around when Social Security or Medicaid went into effect. Oh, the massive butthurt. And by year two it was the greatest thing ever. Good luck, fascists.
2013-06-19 09:47:52 PM
3 votes:

big pig peaches: Dusk-You-n-Me: Wolfmanjames: Forgive me, subby if I fail to trust implicitly a source that declares itself, 'Real Liberal Politics' when it cheers Obamacare.

You read that but didn't see their source? The super liberal WSJ

And the WSJ blog got the numbers from the department of labor and we know those guys never play with the numbers to make things look better. Not ever.


Oh ffs, you're one of the people who is convinced the unemployment rate is still going up and Obama is just faking it, aren't ya.

Seriously, people like you are why we can't have nice things. You have zero evidence of malfeasance at BLS, NIH, or anywhere else, but since some guy you don't like is in office, they're all a bunch of liars. Look, both under Obama and under Bush, I've objected to changes in CPI baskets, in the definition of the poverty line, and a variety of other econometrics... but if you have no substantive objection, if you're not objecting to an actual thing... then shut the fark up and leave econometrics to grownups.
2013-06-19 09:02:32 PM
3 votes:
Prices fell in May not last year. One month temporary decrease does not a trend make.
2013-06-20 02:45:05 AM
2 votes:

MisterRonbo: Demonrats: If you want to lower health care costs stop serving people who can't afford it.

Only if you're willing to deny them *all* care, including emergency care.  You're having a heart attack? No treatment for you.  Just got mugged and stabbed? No insurance? You  can lay there and die.

Otherwise, you're wrong.  Very, very obviously proven-by-every-other-industrialized-country wrong.

And its glaringly obvious.  Typical American over 50: overweight, high blood pressure. You could give them four doctor visits a year and some meds, as part of an insurance policy that costs $4K or $5K a year. And if the person can afford to pay part of that, even better. They keep working and paying taxes.

Or just wait.  Let them have a heart attack.  Lay out $50K if they die fast, $100K or more if they don't.  Might be in a convalescent home for a couple of decades.  Not hard to rack up even higher costs if they survive, but barely.

Its as if you were paying $50 a month for internet access. The city you live in found out they could buy one contract to give everybody access, and your bill would drop to $40 a month.  But you don't like it, because some poors would be getting it for free, and why should you pay for them.


But that's it, exactly.

The difference between Democrats and Republicans are simple:

Democrats would rather everyone get access to something, even if it means there's someone out there taking advantage of the system.

Republicans would deny everyone access to something because someone, somewhere, is taking advantage of the system.
2013-06-20 12:13:52 AM
2 votes:

Fart_Machine: firefly212: Sorry, did I link an article somewhere? Because I didn't mean to if I did...

Unless your name is Dusk-You-n-Me you didn't.  That's the poster who linked the article which says...

"The rate of growth in healthcare costs slowed predictably during the recession... PwC's Health Research Institute expects that trend to continue not only as the economy continues to improve, but after the healthcare law brings millions of uninsured people into the healthcare system, driving up demand."

Take it up with these guys.


I'm sorry, it seemed like you were really frustrated with me for some link I was presumed to have posted, I was quite confused.

As for the driving up demand, it's not as simple as "add customers, increase demand"... by treating transmissible diseases earlier, we'll see lower vectoring rates of some of the most common problems.... if we treat pneumonia early, instead of telling the indigent that we're going make them wait...  instead of them vectoring it to people near them before going to the healthcare system they would have been in anyways (in the ER instead of a clinic), we've not only curbed costs (clinic treatment+ generic PCE+xray= maybe 250 bucks, ER treatment= a few grand, at a minimum), we've also effectively, by way of preventing vectoring, taken a potential dozen people who would have gotten sick out of the system by removing the initial node.

I'm not an epidemiologist, so I can't really speak to the data about how many visits will be stopped by early intervention based on expanded coverage, but I do see that there are some incredibly substantive factors that get glossed over far too easily by opponents who try to hyper-simplify both the law and the existing system.

What I am though, is a graduate in Econ with a specialty in stat analysis... there certainly is a potential for sector inflation if demand skyrockets (as some opponents of the law say it will)... but so far, we're not seeing that at all... so when I see people not only misunderstand the inflation number, but also take a number that is based on average individual expenditure, and argue that component is skewed by a (current) non-existent jump in demand (we have not seen a skyrocket in demand thus far)... I get rather frustrated. The evidence may well appear for one side or the other to be vindicated... but math is a language, a descriptor... it is not an arbiter of right and wrong, so when we try to mangle it such that we can use it as a cudgel or a substitute for judgement, we do neither ourselves, nor the public discourse, any favors.
2013-06-19 10:28:38 PM
2 votes:
I got completely screwed by Obamacare.

My employer cut my hours down to part-time just a couple weeks before the insurance companies deadline to lock-in their new rates for next year. My bosses where so scared of rate increases that they cut everyone's hours down so they wouldn't have to cover insurance. I live in Washington state, and the insurance companies have already posted their new rates under the ACA.

Every major insurance company promised 50-70% rate increases..... but instead, every single one of them dropped their rates 10-15%.

/Unfortunately I still make half as much money now, and can't afford my bills :(
//And my bosses are not about to admit they screwed up and caused a bunch of people all the problems they caused just because they're crazy republicans.
2013-06-19 10:16:38 PM
2 votes:
Ignored by subby and greenlighter


Rate Shock: In California, Obamacare To Increase Individual Health Insurance Premiums By 64-146%
*it's California, so obviously the fault of "republicans".


Local Governments Reeling Under ObamaCare Costs
*Including quote from Democrat mayor admitting he's cutting workers hours to dodge obamacare. Becuase conservatives.


Ohio Department of Insurance predicts premiums in 2014 will rise by 88 percent, a direct result of President Obama's Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

The average cost of insurance premiums will stand about $420, "representing an increase of 88 percent" compared to 2013



Maryland's largest insurer just proposed, on average, a 25-percent rate hike for individuals next year, with much of that increase directly attributable to the ACA's mandates.


It's official: the health care law will unduly stick it to young Americans by making them pay far higher premiums starting January 1, 2014.[1] New rules announced this month are even worse than expected when it comes to shoveling an unfair burden onto our nation's youth. Moreover, they also perversely increase the incentives of young people to remain uninsured.


Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion...
New regulations, policies, taxes, fees and mandates are the reason for the unexpected "rate shock," according to the House Energy and Commerce Committee


As part of the healthcare law, Congress stopped allowing private banks to provide student loans. All student loans are now federal loans, which... has led to higher rates.
2013-06-19 10:09:14 PM
2 votes:

great_tigers: Tuna fingers,

My computer is messed up so I can't reply directly to your post. Three years ago I was with the same company, a dmepos. We are having reimbursements decline and claims denied so incredibly much. We went from one of the best companies to work for with many fringe benefits to one that has taken away every benefit but salary and insurance. Our insurance has gone through the roof, we are on pace to have half of our work force this December from one year ago. Please, tell me how I am full of shiat when I watch my wife struggle in pain every day with pain and knowing we could be foreclosed if we do not have a payment plan set up with the surgical site. The orthopedic surgeon that would do her surgery is a client of mine, he knows the struggle we have but is mandated by the hospital to charge the full amount.


The new laws HELP people like you. Can you not see that? Nothing in your bad situation is in any way the fault of the ACA or the current government, and in fact is an example of why you need comprehensive reform and a modern national health care system. Stories like yours are why people like Obama are moved to try to improve things. It is just that ANY progress is slow and painful and fought tooth and nail by the entrenched financial interests (and their deceived army of voters)
2013-06-19 10:06:15 PM
2 votes:
I had this thing called supra-ventricular tachycardia.  Out of the blue, my heart would just start beating 100+ a minute. Sometimes, I could stop it myself my triggering the gag reflex. Most times, I had to go to the ER and get a shot of concoctions--all the while being on prescription meds. It was cured with a procedure called ablation. Basically, a nerve in my heart was zapped and killed. This was 1994. It was considered experimental. Never had a problem again.

I couldn't get health insurance since. It was a pre-existing condition. Now, I can. I'm 42 and it's $460/month, but I'm grateful. And, I look forward to shopping across state lines. I would prefer single payer, but this is a good first step. At least for me.
2013-06-19 10:00:45 PM
2 votes:

Iron Felix: Try going to work for a great company with a great insurance plan.  Then you get laid off unexpectedly and cobra costs your family $1900/month.  Healthcare in the US is an absolute joke.


This is why I don't like ACA. It seems almost like a handout to insurance companies. You HAVE to have health insurance or you pay a tax? Just nationalize it already, since you are forcing people to pay out the ass for insurance now or pay a tax.
2013-06-19 09:41:22 PM
2 votes:
Tuna fingers,

My computer is messed up so I can't reply directly to your post. Three years ago I was with the same company, a dmepos. We are having reimbursements decline and claims denied so incredibly much. We went from one of the best companies to work for with many fringe benefits to one that has taken away every benefit but salary and insurance. Our insurance has gone through the roof, we are on pace to have half of our work force this December from one year ago. Please, tell me how I am full of shiat when I watch my wife struggle in pain every day with pain and knowing we could be foreclosed if we do not have a payment plan set up with the surgical site. The orthopedic surgeon that would do her surgery is a client of mine, he knows the struggle we have but is mandated by the hospital to charge the full amount.

Please, let me know how full of
2013-06-19 09:37:09 PM
2 votes:
Analysts attributed the falling costs to ObamaCare constraining government payments to doctors and hospitals, which they say is tricking down to consumers.

Meh, medicare reimbursements got lowered, less doctors take medicare, less medicare patients get seen.........of course it trickled down.

/they are pissing on you and telling you it's raining.
2013-06-19 09:29:35 PM
2 votes:

big pig peaches: And the WSJ blog got the numbers from the department of labor and we know those guys never play with the numbers to make things look better. Not ever.


Well gee golly, without proof of such a claim their dishonesty is limited only by your imagination!
2013-06-19 09:21:40 PM
2 votes:

Wolfmanjames: Forgive me, subby if I fail to trust implicitly a source that declares itself, 'Real Liberal Politics' when it cheers Obamacare.


You read that but didn't see their source? The super liberal WSJ
2013-06-19 09:20:18 PM
2 votes:
Forgive me, subby if I fail to trust implicitly a source that declares itself, 'Real Liberal Politics' when it cheers Obamacare.  I am sure those who reflexively scream at FoxNews and Daily Mail links share my cynicism.
2013-06-19 09:02:43 PM
2 votes:

porterm: they will trot out any darn pony they can to make this look like a good deal


Even the "This is a good deal" pony.
2013-06-19 09:01:48 PM
2 votes:
they will trot out any darn pony they can to make this look like a good deal
2013-06-19 08:55:30 PM
2 votes:
Sure, lower, because they don't pay out a goddamn red cent.
2013-06-20 12:24:31 PM
1 votes:

RyanAntiHero: Yeah, I find it hard to take an article seriously when the site header is "Real Liberal Politics" and it's praising of something Liberals did. Very much like I would feel the same about a site that boasted "Real Conservative Politics". They both translate to "Real Deluded Morons" to me.


As a liberal, I can say that giveaways to big insurance companies while not providing a public option is probably the least liberal thing Obama could have done. The "conservative" problem is just that Obama does anything, because it reminds them that he's president, and that someone actually listens to their ideas and tries to implement them, but it isn't the party that claims to be for them.
2013-06-20 09:13:38 AM
1 votes:
Republicans should totally run on repealing the ACA in 2014. I'm sure it will go well for them.
2013-06-20 08:27:03 AM
1 votes:

firefly212: That wasn't my argument at all, my argument wasn't about "making everyone's lives better"... it was about paying public sector employees fair wages. Where the fark did you get that from?


No, you said that everyone ought to be able to afford to buy a home and have a family for no other reason than they punch a clock and do a job.  Why should someone's wage be a function of the lifestyle that they want?  Is a single person with no kids who rents an apartment deserving of a same wage if they do the same job as a breadwinner with a mortgage?

Fart_Machine: So you didn't say what was quoted above?


Yeah, I really didn't.  Are you literate?  we pay taxes so government can do things the private sector cannot do.  we dont pay taxes as a means of proving employment or sustaining the lifestyle that someone expects because of choices they willingly made.  I'm happy to pay local gasoline taxes to fund the roads where I live but it is moronic to suggest people pay higher taxes because all the guys on the road crew bought homes and started families.  Again, since you're retarded:  I cannot go to my boss and ask for a raise because I bought a house and need more money.

Fart_Machine: And now you've shifted to "provide an amount of value to the company" instead of that you are an asset that makes them money (which is entirely subjective).


I didn't shift anything. I had to re-state what I said because you're too stupid to understand it the first time around. There's nothing different between saying that an employee's labor is valuable to a company and that the employee's labor is an asset.

The very definition of an asset is that it is something ofvalue and you just suggested that they are two different things.
Just stop.  You really aren't as smart as you think you are.
2013-06-20 07:20:12 AM
1 votes:
Holy fail article batman.

Government paying less to doctors and hospitals, consumers paying more cost out of pocket = health care costs getting lower?

Freakin libs.
2013-06-20 06:46:37 AM
1 votes:
This coming from a site that touts its self as "Real Liberal" and an ass kisser of Obama's. Pardon me if I call bullshiat on it.
2013-06-20 02:41:13 AM
1 votes:

Demonrats: If you want to lower health care costs stop serving people who can't afford it.


Only if you're willing to deny them *all* care, including emergency care.  You're having a heart attack? No treatment for you.  Just got mugged and stabbed? No insurance? You  can lay there and die.

Otherwise, you're wrong.  Very, very obviously proven-by-every-other-industrialized-country wrong.

And its glaringly obvious.  Typical American over 50: overweight, high blood pressure. You could give them four doctor visits a year and some meds, as part of an insurance policy that costs $4K or $5K a year. And if the person can afford to pay part of that, even better. They keep working and paying taxes.

Or just wait.  Let them have a heart attack.  Lay out $50K if they die fast, $100K or more if they don't.  Might be in a convalescent home for a couple of decades.  Not hard to rack up even higher costs if they survive, but barely.

Its as if you were paying $50 a month for internet access. The city you live in found out they could buy one contract to give everybody access, and your bill would drop to $40 a month.  But you don't like it, because some poors would be getting it for free, and why should you pay for them.
2013-06-20 01:11:12 AM
1 votes:

o5iiawah: Why would I ask for less money? my labor provides value to the company which they then use to make money.


Everybody thinks they're the cog that holds the machine together.

o5iiawah: This has nothing to do with the original point which was "If a guy wants to own a house and have a family, thats his right and someone else has to pay for it"


Which gets to the point that keeps flying over your head.  Both you and the public employee are paid by their employer except you don't think they deserve a decent wage because taxes!!111 (which they pay as well).
2013-06-20 01:10:06 AM
1 votes:

dmax: inglixthemad: His biggest complaint was that the new generation wanted the perks (pay, prestige, et al.) without being willing to work the hard hours. He was a real old school doctor: house calls, being woken up in the middle of the night for emergencies, being on call as an Ob-Gyn, et al. Long hours and few vacations for 30 years. He knew how to rip an insurance rep a new strip as well.

Too bad more docs aren't like him, the medical profession would be all the better.

In a world where the country is fully insured, fewer people end up in the ED for their colds. They get preventative care so the polyp is removed, not the cancer. They're more employable.

And we'll need a buttload of primary care docs to do that grunt work. We're about to see Medicine become a very middle-class job. Not many smart people will want to put up with the demanding, self-destructive, undereducated patients that are 'Merica. And even fewer smart people will want to deal with the mandatory billing and insurance requirements to get adequate compensation. And even the stupid people won't want to deal with the frivolous lawsuits that are commonplace.

So, good luck to us all in 20 years. Our doctors will be rushed, undereducated, and overwhelmed.
And that is not Obama's fault, truly. It's the media, that teaches our population to be stupid and dependent.


Or - and this is just a passing thought - in twenty years, the people who practice medicine will do so because they want to prevent and cure disease ... instead of too many "specialists" being greedy, money-grubbing whores.

/During WWII, FDR threatened to draft every farking physician, nationalize medical schools, and crank out a few hundred thousand physicians.
2013-06-20 01:09:14 AM
1 votes:

dmax: So, good luck to us all in 20 years. Our doctors will be rushed, undereducated, and overwhelmed.


Or maybe, just maybe, Americans are not stupider and lazier than the entire rest of the first world and we'll end up with OK medical service - just like every other first world nation. Hell, my English relatives will spend all day ripping the NHS but still consider the US healthcare system a global laughing stock.
2013-06-20 01:05:44 AM
1 votes:

o5iiawah: I never said that.


o5iiawah: So an able bodied man (A) owes a percentage of his wage to another able bodied man (B) how?


There's a scroll function on the side of your screen if you need it.
2013-06-20 12:59:44 AM
1 votes:

o5iiawah: Fart_Machine: But your salary is taking money away from the shareholders and the company.  I'm sure there are families involved too.  Why don't you ask for less money and do what's right by them.

I really dont think you know what a job is, or how it works.


I really don't think you know how inane your arguments are when put in front of you.
2013-06-20 12:46:25 AM
1 votes:

o5iiawah: but where your argument breaks down is in this moronic belief that if we keep raising taxes and distribute it out to people that they will spend it and it will be good. You and others ignore where that money came from and what hit a family or individual takes when taxes are raised.


Actually nobody said to raise taxes infinitely.   That's a strawman you created.  But your salary is taking money away from the shareholders and the company.  I'm sure there are families involved too.  Why don't you ask for less money and do what's right by them.
2013-06-20 12:03:03 AM
1 votes:

machoprogrammer: Iron Felix: Try going to work for a great company with a great insurance plan.  Then you get laid off unexpectedly and cobra costs your family $1900/month.  Healthcare in the US is an absolute joke.

This is why I don't like ACA. It seems almost like a handout to insurance companies. You HAVE to have health insurance or you pay a tax? Just nationalize it already, since you are forcing people to pay out the ass for insurance now or pay a tax.


I agree in so much as I think there should be a "public option"... I want people to have choice, but the reality is that some times, you trust government more than you trust a business who has the stated shareholder goal of paying as little as they can legally get away with for your medical care.
2013-06-19 11:58:35 PM
1 votes:

hasty ambush: Meanwhile in the real world:

Local Governments Reeling Under ObamaCare Costs

Birmingham, Mich. Commissioner Gordon Rinschler may have summed up best the reaction that countless businesses and governments are having to ObamaCare, saying: "We simply can't afford the Affordable Care Act."


I didn't realize that screwing over workers by making full-time jobs into multiple part time jobs had become something that local governments were doing. Seriously, when did this country get so off course that paying a person an honest days wage (enough for healthcare, food, and housing) for an honest days work started to seem like such an onerous burden. The reality for these towns is that taxes should be slightly higher, high enough that civil servants and public employees can feed their families, pay their mortgage AND go to the doctors office when they are sick. These aren't wacky demands from some lazy welfare queens... these are people who WANT to work, who want to put in a hard day's labor... giving them the shaft in this manner is just wrong, and we shouldn't tolerate it from either our government or our businesses. Good, hard-working people should have access to real jobs, not McJobs.
2013-06-19 11:39:48 PM
1 votes:
If you want to lower health care costs stop serving people who can't afford it. My chronically unemployed cousnin-in-law (if that is such a thing) or the girl I went to school with who has never been married and has 2 kids and a job at the local grocer stocking shelves are great examples. Why does someone who refuses to try at any job or a person who keeps on having kids with no way to afford them theirself (and were never in a situation to afford them in the first place) be rewarded with free government handouts?

Until the handouts have time limits put on them I will always vote for the person who is most likely to restrict them. Nadia Suleman should be living in a cardboard house with her 14 children. She used money designated for college to get preggers with 8 kids after she already had 6. The liberal Farker will gladly let her use tax money to reward her with a house, medical care, and food so she can possibly have a few more kids. Why not? Its what Fark Jesus would do.
2013-06-19 11:30:46 PM
1 votes:
Mike Chewbacca: Well, the GOP IS the party of Lincoln.

Considering that the Cheetos-grubbing, racist, misogynyst rebs were not part of the Party of Lincoln when he was president, and only bolted from the Democratic party when they (the party, not the orange finger brigade) embraced equality for Blacks, you must be right.

Oh wait, we were talking about the southern strategy. Silly me.

What were you derping about again?

img.fark.net
2013-06-19 10:58:34 PM
1 votes:

Dinobot: theknuckler_33: Dinobot: I aint seeing it. My insurance went up by 20% and I havent even used it at all in 5 years

Without context your statement is meaningless. Do you buy individual insurance or through your employer? Did your plan change? If employer plan, did your employer change their contribution towards the premium?

FYI, insurance premiums have been rising at an alarming rate for many years prior to "Obamacare".

through my employer. no, the contribution actually went up, but many people at work use the insurance... so the rates go up for everyone, which kind of sucks.


So, you are saying the company is contributing a higher percentage of the premium than before but yet you are still paying 20% in premiums (paycheck deductions).

That is your assertion? Just want to be clear.

If that is the case, you are being farked and Obamacare would likely benefit you in a big way because you could buy your own individual plan.  In fact, since the exchanges aren't in place yet, it seems that the old system is what is screwing you.
2013-06-19 10:51:49 PM
1 votes:

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: I think it was Karl Marx who said, "Decent health care for the working class is the true path to Communism."


Wasn't it Satan who said, "The quick path to hell is to believe anything a conservative has to say about anything."

//hell sure is crowded down here with all the libertarians.
2013-06-19 10:41:02 PM
1 votes:
Lefty blog sucks. Lefties pile in thread, sucking.
2013-06-19 10:17:55 PM
1 votes:

OnlyM3: *it's California, so obviously the fault of "republicans".


Haha you guys are still pushing this article? It's been completely debunked. Hang on to tight man. Never let it go!
2013-06-19 10:06:55 PM
1 votes:

Deep Contact: Imagine how low health care would be if health insurance was outlawed.


Dialysis treatments in the USA: ~$3000 per visit
Dialysis treatments in China: ~$83.00 per visit

Dialysis care in the USA: treatment, TV, nothing else.
Dialysis care in China: treatment, TV, breakfast/lunch/dinner (depending on your schedule), concierge

Dialysis center sterility in the USA: OMG it's coming right at us!
Dialysis center sterility in China: you can eat off the floor (not that I would, but still)


that is just a small sample of differences in ONE particular healthcare setting.
2013-06-19 10:02:28 PM
1 votes:

machoprogrammer: It seems almost like a handout to insurance companies.


Guess which political/corporate party you have to thank for that?
2013-06-19 09:57:52 PM
1 votes:

firefly212: Fart_Machine: Dusk-You-n-Me: The Hill highlights a new report from PricewaterhouseCoopers showing that "medical inflation will likely fall to 6.5 percent next year - a 50 year low." Link

Makes sense considering how much the pool of recipients will grow.

THATS NOT HOW INFLATION METRICS WORK!

Seriously, this is like a farking technical engineering thread with a bunch of literature majors commenting about how they don't think SN curves accurately describe material fatigue.


Because a literature major would have RTFA he linked instead of being a pompous ass?
2013-06-19 09:47:48 PM
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Imagine how low health care would be if health insurance was outlawed.
2013-06-19 09:42:41 PM
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shiat I am. Have you ever had a torn labrum? It was described to me as a needle prick every time she steps. Bottom line, fark you.
2013-06-19 09:39:51 PM
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Brick-House: Sure does smell like bull shiat in here.


Maybe your should leave. You are beginning to smell up the place.
2013-06-19 09:31:48 PM
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js34603: So what specifically did the ACA implement that resulted in these lower costs?

It hasn't even been fully put into effect yet. So what part of what has been implemented led to lower costs?


Well you could RTFA.
2013-06-19 09:31:05 PM
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js34603: So what specifically did the ACA implement that resulted in these lower costs?

It hasn't even been fully put into effect yet. So what part of what has been implemented led to lower costs?


"It cited new penalties on hospitals whose patients must be readmitted soon after being discharged, as well as still-developing efforts to improve care coordination and efficiency. Slow growth is also being driven by changes in employer-based healthcare plans, which are increasingly shifting more costs to employees." Link

A PwC study, but similar results.
2013-06-19 09:27:45 PM
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Dusk-You-n-Me: Wolfmanjames: Forgive me, subby if I fail to trust implicitly a source that declares itself, 'Real Liberal Politics' when it cheers Obamacare.

You read that but didn't see their source? The super liberal WSJ


And the WSJ blog got the numbers from the department of labor and we know those guys never play with the numbers to make things look better. Not ever.
2013-06-19 09:24:27 PM
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Fell for who?  Mine has gone up every year for the past 4 years at least, and the three major health insurance companies in my state have had an increase in their premiums across the board for their individual (non-group) policies within the past 12 months.
I mean, if it's gone down great, but...
2013-06-19 09:17:20 PM
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Benjimin_Dover: So an article gives credit to something that hasn't gone into effect yet and people are lapping it up like dooshes. Just another repeat of the same old dog and pony show.


You are misinformed.
2013-06-19 09:16:35 PM
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rkiller1: A one month year-over-year decrease in the medical costs inflation RATE does not a reduction make.


Valid point, but I don't know which point is true, the article is inconsistent.

"U.S. consumers' health-care costs fell"
vs
"the slowing of healthcare inflation".

We need a tie-breaker round. Or a follow up. Or a better written article.

/both outcomes are good, one is gooder
2013-06-19 09:15:57 PM
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So an article gives credit to something that hasn't gone into effect yet and people are lapping it up like dooshes. Just another repeat of the same old dog and pony show.
2013-06-19 09:15:47 PM
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Sure does smell like bull shiat in here.
2013-06-19 09:11:35 PM
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The Hill highlights a new report from PricewaterhouseCoopers showing that "medical inflation will likely fall to 6.5 percent next year - a 50 year low." Link
2013-06-19 09:10:49 PM
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OMG Obama is crippling the profitability of the medical care industry!
2013-06-19 09:04:44 PM
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It's health care profits that we must worry about. After all, isn't that why the Republicans have tried to overturn Obamacare?
2013-06-19 09:02:50 PM
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Just a bunch of people afraid of getting caught red handed with their fingers in the cookie jar.  They'll relax soon and start stealing at the regular rate again.
2013-06-19 09:01:23 PM
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The calm before the storm.
2013-06-19 09:00:40 PM
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Of course health care costs fell, the sick/old are being sent off to Obama death camps.
2013-06-19 09:00:15 PM
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So is this a scandal yet?
 
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