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2013-06-19 10:10:49 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Dialysis center sterility in the USA: OMG it's coming right at us!
Dialysis center sterility in China: you can eat off the floor (not that I would, but still)


I'm trying to understand the issue in trying to keep dialysis as sterile of a procedure as possible. And I certainly don't want my tax money going to some dialysis clinic to pay them to treat the abcess they created in the first place.
 
2013-06-19 10:10:50 PM  
Wifes insurance went up 13% leaving me confused about the lower cost?
 
2013-06-19 10:11:13 PM  

ReverendJynxed: That's because everyone heard about the plan and closed doors to medicare patients.


Everyone? That sounds drastic. Surely you have evidence of this.
 
2013-06-19 10:12:27 PM  
Between 2011 and 2012, 3.6 million fewer Americans had trouble paying for their health care costs. Link
 
2013-06-19 10:13:11 PM  

tuna fingers: All of the doctors I see are so against the ACA.  They rant every time I see one.  But, it should be noted that all of the doctors I see are very well-to-do older white males that service a town that is relatively poor.
We quit seeing doctors.
We now see nurse practitioners.  Much less derp.  Really.


The funny thing is my old doc, Doc Gage, thought the little brats comin out of Med School in the 80's were lazy, entitled, self-important, greedy half-wits. He refused several offers on his practice when he retired and stated his saddest moment was not finding a competent hard working doctor to replace him.

His biggest complaint was that the new generation wanted the perks (pay, prestige, et al.) without being willing to work the hard hours. He was a real old school doctor: house calls, being woken up in the middle of the night for emergencies, being on call as an Ob-Gyn, et al. Long hours and few vacations for 30 years. He knew how to rip an insurance rep a new strip as well.

Too bad more docs aren't like him, the medical profession would be all the better.
 
2013-06-19 10:14:02 PM  
If only there were an interweb around when Social Security or Medicaid went into effect. Oh, the massive butthurt. And by year two it was the greatest thing ever. Good luck, fascists.
 
2013-06-19 10:14:06 PM  

hasty ambush: Birmingham, Mich. Commissioner Gordon Rinschler may have summed up best the reaction that countless businesses and governments are having to ObamaCare, saying: "We simply can't afford the Affordable Care Act."


...because he's a farking idiot. Is how that sentence ends.
 
2013-06-19 10:16:22 PM  
I'm a Democrat and even I don't read this shiatty site.
 
2013-06-19 10:16:38 PM  
Ignored by subby and greenlighter


Rate Shock: In California, Obamacare To Increase Individual Health Insurance Premiums By 64-146%
*it's California, so obviously the fault of "republicans".


Local Governments Reeling Under ObamaCare Costs
*Including quote from Democrat mayor admitting he's cutting workers hours to dodge obamacare. Becuase conservatives.


Ohio Department of Insurance predicts premiums in 2014 will rise by 88 percent, a direct result of President Obama's Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

The average cost of insurance premiums will stand about $420, "representing an increase of 88 percent" compared to 2013



Maryland's largest insurer just proposed, on average, a 25-percent rate hike for individuals next year, with much of that increase directly attributable to the ACA's mandates.


It's official: the health care law will unduly stick it to young Americans by making them pay far higher premiums starting January 1, 2014.[1] New rules announced this month are even worse than expected when it comes to shoveling an unfair burden onto our nation's youth. Moreover, they also perversely increase the incentives of young people to remain uninsured.


Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion...
New regulations, policies, taxes, fees and mandates are the reason for the unexpected "rate shock," according to the House Energy and Commerce Committee


As part of the healthcare law, Congress stopped allowing private banks to provide student loans. All student loans are now federal loans, which... has led to higher rates.
 
2013-06-19 10:16:47 PM  

Evil High Priest: If only there were an interweb around when Social Security or Medicaid went into effect. Oh, the massive butthurt. And by year two it was the greatest thing ever. Good luck, fascists.


In about 20 years Republicans will be trying to take credit for ACA. "It was based on a conservative proposal. That's why it worked!"
 
2013-06-19 10:17:01 PM  
The conservatives prefer the nice steady 8% yearly raise in healthcare costs.

This is like 20x watergate, and at least 3.4 Benghazis.
 
2013-06-19 10:17:55 PM  

OnlyM3: *it's California, so obviously the fault of "republicans".


Haha you guys are still pushing this article? It's been completely debunked. Hang on to tight man. Never let it go!
 
2013-06-19 10:19:04 PM  

Fart_Machine: Surpheon: theknuckler_33: Stupid libs. Ever hear of the clam before the storm? The storm is coming and when it come it will be shoved down our throats!

The clam is coming! Oh god helps us all, THE CLAM IS COMING!

/Stupid troll deserves a stupid cookie every once in a while.

He was being sarcastic.


Was I?

/yes, I was
//or was I?
///typed clam by accident and fixed it, then put it back to clam
 
2013-06-19 10:20:25 PM  

hardinparamedic: HindiDiscoMonster: Dialysis center sterility in the USA: OMG it's coming right at us!
Dialysis center sterility in China: you can eat off the floor (not that I would, but still)

I'm trying to understand the issue in trying to keep dialysis as sterile of a procedure as possible. And I certainly don't want my tax money going to some dialysis clinic to pay them to treat the abcess they created in the first place.


In Florida at least, I can tell you that some centers have insect issues (esp ants and roaches). the equipment itself is sterile, but I have spoken to Americans who have visited China and gone to dialysis treatments there, and the sterility is seriously, seriously good. If I had the option between the USA and China (as far as dialysis goes) I would go to China.
 
2013-06-19 10:20:29 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Evil High Priest: If only there were an interweb around when Social Security or Medicaid went into effect. Oh, the massive butthurt. And by year two it was the greatest thing ever. Good luck, fascists.

In about 20 years Republicans will be trying to take credit for ACA. "It was based on a conservative proposal. That's why it worked!"


Well, the GOP IS the party of Lincoln.
 
2013-06-19 10:28:38 PM  
I got completely screwed by Obamacare.

My employer cut my hours down to part-time just a couple weeks before the insurance companies deadline to lock-in their new rates for next year. My bosses where so scared of rate increases that they cut everyone's hours down so they wouldn't have to cover insurance. I live in Washington state, and the insurance companies have already posted their new rates under the ACA.

Every major insurance company promised 50-70% rate increases..... but instead, every single one of them dropped their rates 10-15%.

/Unfortunately I still make half as much money now, and can't afford my bills :(
//And my bosses are not about to admit they screwed up and caused a bunch of people all the problems they caused just because they're crazy republicans.
 
2013-06-19 10:31:19 PM  
From the WSJ article:

"The Labor Department's price index for medical care - a figure that includes individuals' outlays for insurance, medical supplies, doctor visits and hospital stays - fell a seasonally adjusted 0.1% in May."

Is this index tracking changes in prices or changes in expenditures?  Consumers may buy less health care because it's gotten more expensive.
 
2013-06-19 10:32:46 PM  
I aint seeing it. My insurance went up by 20% and I havent even used it at all in 5 years
 
2013-06-19 10:36:40 PM  

Surpheon: Someone call rkiller1 and let him know that it must be -1C in hell.


My phone is ringing off the hook.  Thanks for nothing!
/Is the road getting there still paved with good intentions because Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me
 
2013-06-19 10:39:39 PM  

Dinobot: I aint seeing it. My insurance went up by 20% and I havent even used it at all in 5 years


Be thankful for your health and the opportunity to aid the unhealthy.
 
2013-06-19 10:41:02 PM  
Lefty blog sucks. Lefties pile in thread, sucking.
 
2013-06-19 10:41:15 PM  

Dinobot: I aint seeing it. My insurance went up by 20% and I havent even used it at all in 5 years


Without context your statement is meaningless. Do you buy individual insurance or through your employer? Did your plan change? If employer plan, did your employer change their contribution towards the premium?

FYI, insurance premiums have been rising at an alarming rate for many years prior to "Obamacare".
 
2013-06-19 10:42:06 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Be thankful for your health and the opportunity to have your government penalize you for it.


Hell yea. HELL YEA!
 
2013-06-19 10:42:12 PM  

Iron Felix: Try going to work for a great company with a great insurance plan.  Then you get laid off unexpectedly and cobra costs your family $1900/month.  Healthcare in the US is an absolute joke.


Well if you'd spent more time working and less time farking you might not have gotten laid off.
 
2013-06-19 10:43:43 PM  
more of Obamas sinister plan to destroy america by making it better.

damn he's clever.
 
2013-06-19 10:45:25 PM  
The stupidity. Holy crap. Habe costs gone up overall since ACA? Yes? Then you can't use one data point out of a trend to say sucess.

You dinegrate anti global warming folks for using one data point out of many. Hell you still talk shiat with the last 15 year trend. But yet you do the same to support your politics.

farking idiotic.
 
2013-06-19 10:47:48 PM  

theknuckler_33: Dinobot: I aint seeing it. My insurance went up by 20% and I havent even used it at all in 5 years

Without context your statement is meaningless. Do you buy individual insurance or through your employer? Did your plan change? If employer plan, did your employer change their contribution towards the premium?

FYI, insurance premiums have been rising at an alarming rate for many years prior to "Obamacare".


through my employer. no, the contribution actually went up, but many people at work use the insurance... so the rates go up for everyone, which kind of sucks.
 
2013-06-19 10:48:24 PM  

OnlyM3: Ignored by subby and greenlighter


Rate Shock: In California, Obamacare To Increase Individual Health Insurance Premiums By 64-146%
*it's California, so obviously the fault of "republicans".


Local Governments Reeling Under ObamaCare Costs
*Including quote from Democrat mayor admitting he's cutting workers hours to dodge obamacare. Becuase conservatives.


Ohio Department of Insurance predicts premiums in 2014 will rise by 88 percent, a direct result of President Obama's Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

The average cost of insurance premiums will stand about $420, "representing an increase of 88 percent" compared to 2013


Maryland's largest insurer just proposed, on average, a 25-percent rate hike for individuals next year, with much of that increase directly attributable to the ACA's mandates.


It's official: the health care law will unduly stick it to young Americans by making them pay far higher premiums starting January 1, 2014.[1] New rules announced this month are even worse than expected when it comes to shoveling an unfair burden onto our nation's youth. Moreover, they also perversely increase the incentives of young people to remain uninsured.


Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion...
New regulations, policies, taxes, fees and mandates are the reason for the unexpected "rate shock," according to the House Energy and Commerce Committee

As part of the healthcare law, Congress stopped allowing private banks to provide student loans. All student loans are now federal loans, which... has led to higher rates.


Shhhhh, Hush now. Everyone knows Half Black Jesus figured out how to cover more people for less money. Paul Krugman says so.
 
2013-06-19 10:48:32 PM  

Dinobot: I aint seeing it. My insurance went up by 20% and I havent even used it at all in 5 years


You live in a tightly-secured bubble and the overall health of the nation has no effect on you.

/i hope you've been getting annual physicals
//you don't want to placed in front of a death panel, do you?
 
2013-06-19 10:50:27 PM  

OnlyM3: Ignored by subby and greenlighter


Rate Shock: In California, Obamacare To Increase Individual Health Insurance Premiums By 64-146%
*it's California, so obviously the fault of "republicans".


Local Governments Reeling Under ObamaCare Costs
*Including quote from Democrat mayor admitting he's cutting workers hours to dodge obamacare. Becuase conservatives.


Ohio Department of Insurance predicts premiums in 2014 will rise by 88 percent, a direct result of President Obama's Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

The average cost of insurance premiums will stand about $420, "representing an increase of 88 percent" compared to 2013


Maryland's largest insurer just proposed, on average, a 25-percent rate hike for individuals next year, with much of that increase directly attributable to the ACA's mandates.


It's official: the health care law will unduly stick it to young Americans by making them pay far higher premiums starting January 1, 2014.[1] New rules announced this month are even worse than expected when it comes to shoveling an unfair burden onto our nation's youth. Moreover, they also perversely increase the incentives of young people to remain uninsured.


Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion...
New regulations, policies, taxes, fees and mandates are the reason for the unexpected "rate shock," according to the House Energy and Commerce Committee

As part of the healthcare law, Congress stopped allowing private banks to provide student loans. All student loans are now federal loans, which... has led to higher rates.


That's not true - a lot of us ignore derp.
 
2013-06-19 10:51:01 PM  

MyRandomName: The stupidity. Holy crap. Habe costs gone up overall since ACA? Yes? Then you can't use one data point out of a trend to say sucess.

You dinegrate anti global warming folks for using one data point out of many. Hell you still talk shiat with the last 15 year trend. But yet you do the same to support your politics.

farking idiotic.


It's almost as if something just came in to change the environment. ACA just changed the healthcare environment. Its policies alter the rate of change within months to years. Industrial age changed the climate. This rate of change is on the order of decades.

Farking idiotic, indeed.
 
2013-06-19 10:51:49 PM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: I think it was Karl Marx who said, "Decent health care for the working class is the true path to Communism."


Wasn't it Satan who said, "The quick path to hell is to believe anything a conservative has to say about anything."

//hell sure is crowded down here with all the libertarians.
 
2013-06-19 10:51:54 PM  

Sammichless: I got completely screwed by Obamacare.

My employer cut my hours down to part-time just a couple weeks before the insurance companies deadline to lock-in their new rates for next year. My bosses where so scared of rate increases that they cut everyone's hours down so they wouldn't have to cover insurance.


Are you saying they (your employer) covered insurance before? Because if rates were their concern, they would have dropped it long before the ACA. I mean, they wouldn't be 'scared of rate increases' unless they were already including health care coverage. They could have saved that expense before the ACA by just dropping it altogether without cutting anyone's hours. Maybe you should clarify your comment because it doesn't really make any sense.
 
2013-06-19 10:52:24 PM  

OnlyM3: Ignored by subby and greenlighter


Rate Shock: In California, Obamacare To Increase Individual Health Insurance Premiums By 64-146%
*it's California, so obviously the fault of "republicans".


Local Governments Reeling Under ObamaCare Costs
*Including quote from Democrat mayor admitting he's cutting workers hours to dodge obamacare. Becuase conservatives.


Ohio Department of Insurance predicts premiums in 2014 will rise by 88 percent, a direct result of President Obama's Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

The average cost of insurance premiums will stand about $420, "representing an increase of 88 percent" compared to 2013


Maryland's largest insurer just proposed, on average, a 25-percent rate hike for individuals next year, with much of that increase directly attributable to the ACA's mandates.


It's official: the health care law will unduly stick it to young Americans by making them pay far higher premiums starting January 1, 2014.[1] New rules announced this month are even worse than expected when it comes to shoveling an unfair burden onto our nation's youth. Moreover, they also perversely increase the incentives of young people to remain uninsured.


Insurers predict 100% to 400% Obamacare rate explosion...
New regulations, policies, taxes, fees and mandates are the reason for the unexpected "rate shock," according to the House Energy and Commerce Committee

As part of the healthcare law, Congress stopped allowing private banks to provide student loans. All student loans are now federal loans, which... has led to higher rates.


Conservative rag
Conservative rag
Conservative rag
Conservative rag
Conservative rag

Hmmm, there seems to be a pattern.  Some of those articles have been shown to be complete horseshiat, and the others probably aren't far behind.

That chicken has to be just a bloody lump of feathers by now.
 
2013-06-19 10:54:43 PM  
CA resident here. I've looked at the rates in the new high-risk pool (I have a pre-existing condition).

Young, otherwise healthy, and the last quote I got for individual health coverage was over $3000/month. (No, that's not a typo). My monthly health insurance costs will decline by 90% under Obamacare.

I for one, welcome our new affordable-healthcare-providing overlords.
 
2013-06-19 10:55:17 PM  

jaayjones: Wifes insurance went up 13% leaving me confused about the lower cost?


Now I don't feel so bad about our 9% increase. Also sucks that all our co pays have increased dramatically.
 
2013-06-19 10:55:25 PM  

OnlyM3: Rate Shock: In California, Obamacare To Increase Individual Health Insurance Premiums By 64-146%
*it's California, so obviously the fault of "republicans".


Honestly when the fist link is an article that has been debunked quite a few times here on fark it's really hard to take yo seriously.
 
2013-06-19 10:58:34 PM  

Dinobot: theknuckler_33: Dinobot: I aint seeing it. My insurance went up by 20% and I havent even used it at all in 5 years

Without context your statement is meaningless. Do you buy individual insurance or through your employer? Did your plan change? If employer plan, did your employer change their contribution towards the premium?

FYI, insurance premiums have been rising at an alarming rate for many years prior to "Obamacare".

through my employer. no, the contribution actually went up, but many people at work use the insurance... so the rates go up for everyone, which kind of sucks.


So, you are saying the company is contributing a higher percentage of the premium than before but yet you are still paying 20% in premiums (paycheck deductions).

That is your assertion? Just want to be clear.

If that is the case, you are being farked and Obamacare would likely benefit you in a big way because you could buy your own individual plan.  In fact, since the exchanges aren't in place yet, it seems that the old system is what is screwing you.
 
2013-06-19 10:59:49 PM  
I'm pretty sure it's because death panels. Dead people are a lot cheaper, you know.
 
2013-06-19 11:01:04 PM  
A lot biatching from Republicans in this thread about the plan that was a response to Hillary Care from Republicans. Teatards, Teahadists, Teavangelicals, all of you.
 
2013-06-19 11:01:42 PM  

GWSuperfan: CA resident here. I've looked at the rates in the new high-risk pool (I have a pre-existing condition).

Young, otherwise healthy, and the last quote I got for individual health coverage was over $3000/month. (No, that's not a typo). My monthly health insurance costs will decline by 90% under Obamacare.

I for one, welcome our new affordable-healthcare-providing overlords.


You don't sound very bootstrappy, citizen.
 
2013-06-19 11:02:07 PM  

2farknfunny: Satanic_Hamster: 2farknfunny: I assume this will be the night's shortest thread.

We could have a thread on all the women you've pleased sexually.

well, there's your mom...


Two thumbs up
 
2013-06-19 11:04:07 PM  

rkiller1: A one month year-over-year decrease in the medical costs inflation RATE does not a reduction make.  Call me when medical prices are falling or when it's -1C in Hell.


Why do you hate Hope n Change? You must be racist.
 
2013-06-19 11:04:50 PM  

teenytinycornteeth: porterm: they will trot out any darn pony they can to make this look like a good deal

Even the "This is a good deal" pony.


Yeah, this.

/tuned in late
 
2013-06-19 11:06:23 PM  

tuna fingers: Fissile: Of course health care costs fell, the sick/old are being sent off to Obama death camps.

You know this isn't true.
The sick and old are being propped up and slain in staged mass murders like Aurora and Sandy Hook.


This too.
 
2013-06-19 11:06:58 PM  

theknuckler_33: Dinobot: theknuckler_33: Dinobot: I aint seeing it. My insurance went up by 20% and I havent even used it at all in 5 years

Without context your statement is meaningless. Do you buy individual insurance or through your employer? Did your plan change? If employer plan, did your employer change their contribution towards the premium?

FYI, insurance premiums have been rising at an alarming rate for many years prior to "Obamacare".

through my employer. no, the contribution actually went up, but many people at work use the insurance... so the rates go up for everyone, which kind of sucks.

So, you are saying the company is contributing a higher percentage of the premium than before but yet you are still paying 20% in premiums (paycheck deductions).

That is your assertion? Just want to be clear.

If that is the case, you are being farked and Obamacare would likely benefit you in a big way because you could buy your own individual plan.  In fact, since the exchanges aren't in place yet, it seems that the old system is what is screwing you.


I'm in Texas... I dont even know where to shop for insurance =/
 
2013-06-19 11:07:54 PM  
tuna fingers:  We quit seeing doctors.
We now see nurse practitioners.  Much less derp.  Really.


THHHHIIIIIIIISSSSSS.
 
2013-06-19 11:07:56 PM  
My insurance premiums went down this year.  Went down last year, too.  Hooray!
 
2013-06-19 11:08:38 PM  

Dinobot: I'm in Texas...


There's your trouble.
 
2013-06-19 11:08:43 PM  
Oh man, the gnashing and wailing from the dittoheads in this thread is just precious.
 
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