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(Politicus USA)   Last year, healthcare costs fell for the first time in forty years. THANKS OBAMA   (politicususa.com) divider line 293
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2013-06-19 09:32:42 PM

ThatGuyGreg: Sure, lower, because they don't pay out a goddamn red cent.


this

I treat cancer, I've never seen a year where we had to fight insurance companies for payment so much.


If I could opt opt to pay my car payment at just half its value I'd save money too.
 
2013-06-19 09:33:57 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: The Hill highlights a new report from PricewaterhouseCoopers showing that "medical inflation will likely fall to 6.5 percent next year - a 50 year low." Link


Makes sense considering how much the pool of recipients will grow.
 
2013-06-19 09:34:34 PM
For those wondering about implementation, here is a timeline.

Link
 
2013-06-19 09:34:48 PM
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2013-06-19 09:37:09 PM
Analysts attributed the falling costs to ObamaCare constraining government payments to doctors and hospitals, which they say is tricking down to consumers.

Meh, medicare reimbursements got lowered, less doctors take medicare, less medicare patients get seen.........of course it trickled down.

/they are pissing on you and telling you it's raining.
 
kth
2013-06-19 09:38:09 PM

tuna fingers: All of the doctors I see are so against the ACA.  They rant every time I see one.  But, it should be noted that all of the doctors I see are very well-to-do older white males that service a town that is relatively poor.
We quit seeing doctors.
We now see nurse practitioners.  Much less derp.  Really.


You're seeing the wrong doctors.

Or course, mine are all young women. Old white men tend to hassle women with migraines.

Nurse practitioners on the other hand, misread your CT scans and tell you that you have an encroachment on your brain. Before showing it to a neurologist who wonders what she's on about. Longest ten minutes of my life between that phone call and the sheepish, wait, I was wrong call, I tell you. Or maybe that's just the nurse practitioner in my neuro's office.
 
2013-06-19 09:39:15 PM
Not when you unskew the statisticals.

/MYDAARTMYFB
 
2013-06-19 09:39:20 PM

basemetal: Meh, medicare reimbursements got lowered, less doctors take medicare, less medicare patients get seen.........of course it trickled down.

/they are pissing on you and telling you it's raining.


The main lowering of medicare at this point is done on conditions that are typically the fault of the person caring for that medicare patient in the first place.
 
2013-06-19 09:39:51 PM

Brick-House: Sure does smell like bull shiat in here.


Maybe your should leave. You are beginning to smell up the place.
 
2013-06-19 09:39:59 PM

porterm: they will trot out any darn pony they can to make this look like a good deal


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 09:40:07 PM

tuna fingers: Iron Felix: Try going to work for a great company with a great insurance plan.  Then you get laid off unexpectedly and cobra costs your family $1900/month.  Healthcare in the US is an absolute joke.

This I agree with.
The ACA isn't a health care reform, it was an insurance reform.
Baby steps.
The thing sucks, but it is a move in the right direction.


It would be interesting to compare how the UK and Canada got to where they are, in terms of nationalized health care, to the USA; all three, IIRC, were entirely fee-for-service a century ago...

/ I realize what they have is flawed
//....but it's still lightyears ahead of what we have in the US, at least for working-class people...
 
2013-06-19 09:40:52 PM
Including the 2% income tax increase and drop in gross incomes in May?
 
2013-06-19 09:41:22 PM
Tuna fingers,

My computer is messed up so I can't reply directly to your post. Three years ago I was with the same company, a dmepos. We are having reimbursements decline and claims denied so incredibly much. We went from one of the best companies to work for with many fringe benefits to one that has taken away every benefit but salary and insurance. Our insurance has gone through the roof, we are on pace to have half of our work force this December from one year ago. Please, tell me how I am full of shiat when I watch my wife struggle in pain every day with pain and knowing we could be foreclosed if we do not have a payment plan set up with the surgical site. The orthopedic surgeon that would do her surgery is a client of mine, he knows the struggle we have but is mandated by the hospital to charge the full amount.

Please, let me know how full of
 
2013-06-19 09:41:55 PM

kth: tuna fingers: All of the doctors I see are so against the ACA.  They rant every time I see one.  But, it should be noted that all of the doctors I see are very well-to-do older white males that service a town that is relatively poor.
We quit seeing doctors.
We now see nurse practitioners.  Much less derp.  Really.

You're seeing the wrong doctors.

Or course, mine are all young women. Old white men tend to hassle women with migraines.

Nurse practitioners on the other hand, misread your CT scans and tell you that you have an encroachment on your brain. Before showing it to a neurologist who wonders what she's on about. Longest ten minutes of my life between that phone call and the sheepish, wait, I was wrong call, I tell you. Or maybe that's just the nurse practitioner in my neuro's office.


Our ex-pediatrician gave me a new prescription "that should clear up my daughter's rash" on our last visit.  We have a boy.
 
2013-06-19 09:42:20 PM

Princepapa: Fell for who?  Mine has gone up every year for the past 4 years at least, and the three major health insurance companies in my state have had an increase in their premiums across the board for their individual (non-group) policies within the past 12 months.
I mean, if it's gone down great, but...


We have two plans for our group where I work. Our premiums just went up. $40 more for one plan, $76 more for the other. Can't really see that we're getting anything more for it, either.
 
2013-06-19 09:42:41 PM
shiat I am. Have you ever had a torn labrum? It was described to me as a needle prick every time she steps. Bottom line, fark you.
 
2013-06-19 09:42:49 PM

basemetal: less doctors take medicare


Do you have a citation for this? Because this time last year, only about 2% of Medicare beneficiaries had problems finding a new primary care doctor willing to accept Medicare.
 
2013-06-19 09:44:36 PM

Satanic_Hamster: 2farknfunny: I assume this will be the night's shortest thread.

We could have a thread on all the women you've pleased sexually.


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 09:47:48 PM
Imagine how low health care would be if health insurance was outlawed.
 
2013-06-19 09:47:52 PM

big pig peaches: Dusk-You-n-Me: Wolfmanjames: Forgive me, subby if I fail to trust implicitly a source that declares itself, 'Real Liberal Politics' when it cheers Obamacare.

You read that but didn't see their source? The super liberal WSJ

And the WSJ blog got the numbers from the department of labor and we know those guys never play with the numbers to make things look better. Not ever.


Oh ffs, you're one of the people who is convinced the unemployment rate is still going up and Obama is just faking it, aren't ya.

Seriously, people like you are why we can't have nice things. You have zero evidence of malfeasance at BLS, NIH, or anywhere else, but since some guy you don't like is in office, they're all a bunch of liars. Look, both under Obama and under Bush, I've objected to changes in CPI baskets, in the definition of the poverty line, and a variety of other econometrics... but if you have no substantive objection, if you're not objecting to an actual thing... then shut the fark up and leave econometrics to grownups.
 
2013-06-19 09:48:03 PM
Btw tuna fingers, congrats on your son. Mine was born 4/20/12. Our out of pocket cost for a four night hospital stay and a c section was 1100. Same price as an MRI, our benefits dropped 1/1/13.
 
2013-06-19 09:48:08 PM
Twice I tore a cartilage, once in each knee. Both needed surgery. Wait time in Toronto, the city with the longest wait times? 8 hours and 18 hours. One was a week in hospital, the other 5 days. Total cost without any company insurance? Like $10 for a pair of crutches, and like $10 for some prescription painkillers. Even the physio was free.

Ya, Canada's medical systems sucks, just like the Retardicans say.
 
2013-06-19 09:48:11 PM

Wyalt Derp: Not when you unskew the statisticals.


I'd rather stay skewed, TYVM.
 
2013-06-19 09:48:50 PM

great_tigers: Tuna fingers,

My computer is messed up so I can't reply directly to your post. Three years ago I was with the same company, a dmepos. We are having reimbursements decline and claims denied so incredibly much. We went from one of the best companies to work for with many fringe benefits to one that has taken away every benefit but salary and insurance. Our insurance has gone through the roof, we are on pace to have half of our work force this December from one year ago. Please, tell me how I am full of shiat when I watch my wife struggle in pain every day with pain and knowing we could be foreclosed if we do not have a payment plan set up with the surgical site. The orthopedic surgeon that would do her surgery is a client of mine, he knows the struggle we have but is mandated by the hospital to charge the full amount.

Please, let me know how full of


Have you filed a claim for undue costs through the ACA website?  Don't buy into the surgeon's claims that it so bad bad bad.  They may have their own agenda and be full of shiat.  They are not the end-all as far as discourse.
 
2013-06-19 09:49:42 PM
In addition to that PwC study, here's another:

Dobson DaVanzo & Associates, in a report for the hospital group, concludes that if present trends continue Medicare savings will be $1 trillion more in the next 10 years than the savings projected by the Congressional Budget Office in May. The changes, Al Dobson said in an interview, are the result of marketplace pressures and the Affordable Care Act, which set new penalties for hospital readmissions, and included bundled payments and other incentives for hospitals and doctors to find ways to cut costs without hurting patients. Link
 
2013-06-19 09:50:43 PM

big pig peaches: Dusk-You-n-Me: Wolfmanjames: Forgive me, subby if I fail to trust implicitly a source that declares itself, 'Real Liberal Politics' when it cheers Obamacare.

You read that but didn't see their source? The super liberal WSJ

And the WSJ blog got the numbers from the department of labor and we know those guys never play with the numbers to make things look better. Not ever.


Yep, we're all still waiting for the Jack Welch Link or Congress Link to bring us the smoking gun on all those cooked numbers they made up. You'd think a year later they would have found something if their was something to find.

Then again we're talking about Republicans, maybe they're waiting in hopes that cooked numbers just take a long time to travel far enough up their rectums for them to see.
 
2013-06-19 09:51:03 PM

Fart_Machine: Dusk-You-n-Me: The Hill highlights a new report from PricewaterhouseCoopers showing that "medical inflation will likely fall to 6.5 percent next year - a 50 year low." Link

Makes sense considering how much the pool of recipients will grow.


THATS NOT HOW INFLATION METRICS WORK!

Seriously, this is like a farking technical engineering thread with a bunch of literature majors commenting about how they don't think SN curves accurately describe material fatigue.
 
2013-06-19 09:51:47 PM
If you believe that  story, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'll sell cheap. I need the money for medical expenses.
 
2013-06-19 09:52:32 PM

real_headhoncho: porterm: they will trot out any darn pony they can to make this look like a good deal

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Ponies + healthcare:
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2013-06-19 09:52:44 PM
Really?  My dad is laying in a care facility because of a car accident and the medicine that he was receiving was denied by medicare/medicad and was available to him before.  I wonder how they are cutting costs?  I didn't read TFA, however Obama should be cockpinched.  I say "pinched' because it's probably the size of a clit.
 
2013-06-19 09:54:57 PM

JohnnyRebel88: Really?  My dad is laying in a care facility because of a car accident and the medicine that he was receiving was denied by medicare/medicad and was available to him before.  I wonder how they are cutting costs?  I didn't read TFA, however Obama should be cockpinched.  I say "pinched' because it's probably the size of a clit.


Oh you're adorable.  Bless your heart.
 
2013-06-19 09:56:30 PM

firefly212: Fart_Machine: Dusk-You-n-Me: The Hill highlights a new report from PricewaterhouseCoopers showing that "medical inflation will likely fall to 6.5 percent next year - a 50 year low." Link

Makes sense considering how much the pool of recipients will grow.

THATS NOT HOW INFLATION METRICS WORK!

Seriously, this is like a farking technical engineering thread with a bunch of literature majors commenting about how they don't think SN curves accurately describe material fatigue.


Well, they don't; and I will counter any such opinion with a devastating essay.
 
2013-06-19 09:56:45 PM

Brick-House: Sure does smell like bull shiat in here.


he who smelt it dealt it... :)
 
2013-06-19 09:56:45 PM

JohnnyRebel88: Really?  My dad is laying in a care facility because of a car accident and the medicine that he was receiving was denied by medicare/medicad and was available to him before.  I wonder how they are cutting costs?  I didn't read TFA, however Obama should be cockpinched.  I say "pinched' because it's probably the size of a clit.


You could fit the "14CV" into your Fark handle?
 
2013-06-19 09:57:52 PM

firefly212: Fart_Machine: Dusk-You-n-Me: The Hill highlights a new report from PricewaterhouseCoopers showing that "medical inflation will likely fall to 6.5 percent next year - a 50 year low." Link

Makes sense considering how much the pool of recipients will grow.

THATS NOT HOW INFLATION METRICS WORK!

Seriously, this is like a farking technical engineering thread with a bunch of literature majors commenting about how they don't think SN curves accurately describe material fatigue.


Because a literature major would have RTFA he linked instead of being a pompous ass?
 
2013-06-19 09:58:07 PM
"Bending the cost curve" works? The hell you say!

Auto insurance... Health insurance.

It's f*cking math, not socialism.
 
2013-06-19 09:59:11 PM

tuna fingers: Benjimin_Dover: So an article gives credit to something that hasn't gone into effect yet and people are lapping it up like dooshes. Just another repeat of the same old dog and pony show.

You are misinformed.


no, he's fully infromed.
 
2013-06-19 10:00:45 PM

Iron Felix: Try going to work for a great company with a great insurance plan.  Then you get laid off unexpectedly and cobra costs your family $1900/month.  Healthcare in the US is an absolute joke.


This is why I don't like ACA. It seems almost like a handout to insurance companies. You HAVE to have health insurance or you pay a tax? Just nationalize it already, since you are forcing people to pay out the ass for insurance now or pay a tax.
 
2013-06-19 10:01:37 PM
Stupid libs. Ever hear of the clam before the storm? The storm is coming and when it come it will be shoved down our throats!
 
2013-06-19 10:01:54 PM

Pointy Tail of Satan: Twice I tore a cartilage, once in each knee. Both needed surgery. Wait time in Toronto, the city with the longest wait times? 8 hours and 18 hours. One was a week in hospital, the other 5 days. Total cost without any company insurance? Like $10 for a pair of crutches, and like $10 for some prescription painkillers. Even the physio was free.

Ya, Canada's medical systems sucks, just like the Retardicans say.


If you tear cartilage in your knee, you should do us all a favor and remove yourself from the gene pool. Hobble around for a few years and then eat a bullet. Problem solved. The next generation will be stronger.
 
2013-06-19 10:02:28 PM

machoprogrammer: It seems almost like a handout to insurance companies.


Guess which political/corporate party you have to thank for that?
 
2013-06-19 10:03:22 PM

Fart_Machine: firefly212: Fart_Machine: Dusk-You-n-Me: The Hill highlights a new report from PricewaterhouseCoopers showing that "medical inflation will likely fall to 6.5 percent next year - a 50 year low." Link

Makes sense considering how much the pool of recipients will grow.

THATS NOT HOW INFLATION METRICS WORK!

Seriously, this is like a farking technical engineering thread with a bunch of literature majors commenting about how they don't think SN curves accurately describe material fatigue.

Because a literature major would have RTFA he linked instead of being a pompous ass?


If you go to the wall street journal article that was the source of the scraped up opinion piece, you'll find it is "TheLabor Department's price index for medical care - a figure that includes individuals' outlays for insurance, medical supplies, doctor visits and hospital stays - fell a seasonally adjusted 0.1% in May."

Someone call rkiller1 and let him know that it must be -1C in hell.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2013/06/18/medical-costs-register-fir st -decline-since-1970s/
 
2013-06-19 10:04:40 PM

theknuckler_33: Stupid libs. Ever hear of the clam before the storm? The storm is coming and when it come it will be shoved down our throats!


The clam is coming! Oh god helps us all, THE CLAM IS COMING!

/Stupid troll deserves a stupid cookie every once in a while.
 
2013-06-19 10:06:15 PM
I had this thing called supra-ventricular tachycardia.  Out of the blue, my heart would just start beating 100+ a minute. Sometimes, I could stop it myself my triggering the gag reflex. Most times, I had to go to the ER and get a shot of concoctions--all the while being on prescription meds. It was cured with a procedure called ablation. Basically, a nerve in my heart was zapped and killed. This was 1994. It was considered experimental. Never had a problem again.

I couldn't get health insurance since. It was a pre-existing condition. Now, I can. I'm 42 and it's $460/month, but I'm grateful. And, I look forward to shopping across state lines. I would prefer single payer, but this is a good first step. At least for me.
 
2013-06-19 10:06:55 PM

Deep Contact: Imagine how low health care would be if health insurance was outlawed.


Dialysis treatments in the USA: ~$3000 per visit
Dialysis treatments in China: ~$83.00 per visit

Dialysis care in the USA: treatment, TV, nothing else.
Dialysis care in China: treatment, TV, breakfast/lunch/dinner (depending on your schedule), concierge

Dialysis center sterility in the USA: OMG it's coming right at us!
Dialysis center sterility in China: you can eat off the floor (not that I would, but still)


that is just a small sample of differences in ONE particular healthcare setting.
 
2013-06-19 10:07:05 PM

Surpheon: theknuckler_33: Stupid libs. Ever hear of the clam before the storm? The storm is coming and when it come it will be shoved down our throats!

The clam is coming! Oh god helps us all, THE CLAM IS COMING!

/Stupid troll deserves a stupid cookie every once in a while.


He was being sarcastic.
 
2013-06-19 10:07:12 PM

ghall3: Prices fell in May not last year. One month temporary decrease does not a trend make.


No, but the first decrease in forty years is a streak-breaker.
 
2013-06-19 10:09:14 PM

great_tigers: Tuna fingers,

My computer is messed up so I can't reply directly to your post. Three years ago I was with the same company, a dmepos. We are having reimbursements decline and claims denied so incredibly much. We went from one of the best companies to work for with many fringe benefits to one that has taken away every benefit but salary and insurance. Our insurance has gone through the roof, we are on pace to have half of our work force this December from one year ago. Please, tell me how I am full of shiat when I watch my wife struggle in pain every day with pain and knowing we could be foreclosed if we do not have a payment plan set up with the surgical site. The orthopedic surgeon that would do her surgery is a client of mine, he knows the struggle we have but is mandated by the hospital to charge the full amount.


The new laws HELP people like you. Can you not see that? Nothing in your bad situation is in any way the fault of the ACA or the current government, and in fact is an example of why you need comprehensive reform and a modern national health care system. Stories like yours are why people like Obama are moved to try to improve things. It is just that ANY progress is slow and painful and fought tooth and nail by the entrenched financial interests (and their deceived army of voters)
 
2013-06-19 10:09:14 PM
That's because everyone heard about the plan and closed doors to medicare patients.
 
2013-06-19 10:09:48 PM
Meanwhile in the real world:

Local Governments Reeling Under ObamaCare Costs

Birmingham, Mich. Commissioner Gordon Rinschler may have summed up best the reaction that countless businesses and governments are having to ObamaCare, saying: "We simply can't afford the Affordable Care Act."
 
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