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(Wired)   Why Yahoo's plan to release email addresses is really, really bad   (wired.com) divider line 98
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15690 clicks; posted to Main » on 19 Jun 2013 at 7:04 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-06-19 05:20:39 PM  
You could, for example, find a dormant Flickr account, which previously required a Yahoo email address.

That was my idea in the original thread. Some teen's long-forgotten stash of self-portraits is out there waiting for a caring man to cherish them.
 
2013-06-19 05:26:31 PM  
This is a terrible idea.  Many websites require an email address as your login.  Unlike something like Fark, where our logins are our handles.  I'd be willing to bet a lot of people have *active* accounts out there with dormant yahoo addresses.  I think I actually do (nothing serious like a bank account.... but still.)
 
2013-06-19 05:40:02 PM  
Yeah, this is gonna lead to lots of identity theft. As if there wasn't enough going on already.
 
Pud
2013-06-19 05:44:53 PM  
But look on the bright side. You get lots and lots of Spam ...

t1.gstatic.com

Tasty, delicious Spam
 
2013-06-19 05:56:07 PM  
Oh Jesus, I use my yahoo account to register for pr0n sites.  Someone is going to be very unhappy if I let it lapse.
 
2013-06-19 05:56:28 PM  
Someone clearly didn't think this through.
 
2013-06-19 06:36:20 PM  

labman: Someone clearly didn't think this through.


This.
 
2013-06-19 06:40:31 PM  

labman: Someone clearly didn't think this through.


Well, they work at Yahoo. So, yeah.
 
2013-06-19 06:49:12 PM  
the company announced that on July 15, it will be "freeing up" Yahoo email addresses that have been inactive for a year or more.

Only a year? That isn't nearly a long enough time to wait.
 
2013-06-19 06:51:34 PM  
The problem is that they let you create new email addresses with no back up information at all, so I am sure that they have an absurd amount of emails that were used once and never logged into again.
 
2013-06-19 07:08:13 PM  
Oh hell I only made a yahoo em to access flicker and haven't used it since : (
 
2013-06-19 07:08:36 PM  
Oh. Fark.
 
2013-06-19 07:09:22 PM  
Said this before.

It's even better.  Flicker?  That's the best example you could come up with, Mr. Article Writer?

How about Wellsfargo.com?  Ebay?  Paypal?  Amazon?  You know, websites with money and credit cards attached to them?
 
2013-06-19 07:10:13 PM  
If someone gets my yahoo address they could then access my fark account. What if they did that, then posted something relevant, coherent and thought-provoking?

My reputation would be ruined.
 
2013-06-19 07:13:24 PM  

Cletus C.: If someone gets my yahoo address they could then access my fark account. What if they did that, then posted something relevant, coherent and thought-provoking?

My reputation would be ruined.


Oh would be bad : )
 
2013-06-19 07:13:44 PM  
Yahoo is a joke.  I give people my Yahoo address when I want zero interaction with them.
 
2013-06-19 07:13:59 PM  
If it was ancient IDs that havent been used for a decade or so I could understand

One year is too damn recent
 
2013-06-19 07:14:24 PM  
I don't see how I could possibly get more spam on my yahoo account than I do now but sure go ahead.
 
2013-06-19 07:17:56 PM  
I forget their handle but who was that jackass that always tried to white knight Yahoo in threads?  I mean there's blatant astroturfing but this was a level beyond.  It will be amusing to see if they pop up any ways, it'll be pretty obvious.
 
2013-06-19 07:18:34 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Yahoo is a joke.  I give people my Yahoo address when I want zero interaction with them.


exactly this, or hide my porn from my wife
 
2013-06-19 07:20:35 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Said this before.

It's even better.  Flicker?  That's the best example you could come up with, Mr. Article Writer?

How about Wellsfargo.com?  Ebay?  Paypal?  Amazon?  You know, websites with money and credit cards attached to them?


Flickr is more likely to be associated with a yahoo account and readily searchable. Once you have the address, then you go looking for other websites that will accept it on a "forgot my login" prompt. It really is that easy, and that bad of an idea.
 
2013-06-19 07:20:46 PM  

Pud: But look on the bright side. You get lots and lots of Spam ...



Tasty, delicious Spam


Spam spam spam spam spam, lovely spam, wonderful spam, spammity spam, wonderful spam!

/ released my inner spam Viking
 
2013-06-19 07:21:22 PM  
What a spectacularly horrible idea. really. amazingly terrible. Like company-killing terrible.

And even were it not, one year is just insane.
 
2013-06-19 07:23:56 PM  
If you used a Yahoo account to set up a PayPal or online bank account and haven't logged in in over a year I have no sympathy for you.  The reason those places require an e-mail address is so they have a way to send you a message in case they need to get a hold of your dumb ass.

I agree a year is a short time frame but having some sort of deadman switch on online accounts isn't a bad idea at all.
 
2013-06-19 07:24:59 PM  
Of course it sucks.  You just don't do this kind of crap.
 
2013-06-19 07:25:21 PM  

Ecobuckeye: Satanic_Hamster: Said this before.

It's even better.  Flicker?  That's the best example you could come up with, Mr. Article Writer?

How about Wellsfargo.com?  Ebay?  Paypal?  Amazon?  You know, websites with money and credit cards attached to them?

Flickr is more likely to be associated with a yahoo account and readily searchable. Once you have the address, then you go looking for other websites that will accept it on a "forgot my login" prompt. It really is that easy, and that bad of an idea.


Doesn't a Flickr account require a yahoo login?

Therefore, if you are releasing the yahoo account, just zap out the Flickr pics associated with that account.
 
2013-06-19 07:26:23 PM  

Walker: Yeah, this is gonna lead to lots of identity theft. As if there wasn't enough going on already.


I know several people that have had their accounts hacked this week. Once they release these emails it's going to get worse.
 
2013-06-19 07:28:29 PM  

ZAZ: You could, for example, find a dormant Flickr account, which previously required a Yahoo email address.
That was my idea in the original thread. Some teen's long-forgotten stash of self-portraits is out there waiting for a caring man to cherish them.


Could you be more specific? I have some Yahoo IDs to reserve, it would be helpful to have a lead on the more rewarding ones.
 
2013-06-19 07:33:12 PM  
Hotmail used to do it in 30 days.
 
2013-06-19 07:36:05 PM  

kidgenius: Ecobuckeye: Satanic_Hamster: Said this before.

It's even better.  Flicker?  That's the best example you could come up with, Mr. Article Writer?

How about Wellsfargo.com?  Ebay?  Paypal?  Amazon?  You know, websites with money and credit cards attached to them?

Flickr is more likely to be associated with a yahoo account and readily searchable. Once you have the address, then you go looking for other websites that will accept it on a "forgot my login" prompt. It really is that easy, and that bad of an idea.

Doesn't a Flickr account require a yahoo login?

Therefore, if you are releasing the yahoo account, just zap out the Flickr pics associated with that account.


Which is why a person who might abuse this is probably making a list of names right now.
 
2013-06-19 07:39:09 PM  

sn82: I know several people that have had their accounts hacked this week. Once they release these emails it's going to get worse..


Most of the spam I get is from friends with yahoo accounts that get hacked bi-annually.
 
2013-06-19 07:43:45 PM  
The school where I work does this after students graduate. I agree that it's a spectacularly bad idea.
 
2013-06-19 07:44:16 PM  

relaxitsjustme: If you used a Yahoo account to set up a PayPal or online bank account and haven't logged in in over a year I have no sympathy for you.


Agreed.  I think the people who let this happen should take the heat.  I lost my designated junk mail Hotmail address once, fortunately it was still available when I took it back.  It can't be that important to you if you never login.
 
2013-06-19 07:44:31 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: labman: Someone clearly didn't think this through.

Well, they work at Yahoo. So, yeah.


Y! is an H1B mill. It's not full of industry experts. It's a bunch of visa/green card drones and managers who can't find work elsewhere.
 
2013-06-19 07:46:20 PM  
Thank guys, I just had to sign into my yahoo account from 2005 just to keep my flicker account, I guess
 
2013-06-19 07:47:13 PM  

sentex: sn82: I know several people that have had their accounts hacked this week. Once they release these emails it's going to get worse..

Most of the spam I get is from friends with yahoo accounts that get hacked bi-annually.


I get my gmail account hacked more than my yahoo account. I've had to reset my password several times.
 
2013-06-19 07:47:35 PM  

relaxitsjustme: If you used a Yahoo account to set up a PayPal or online bank account and haven't logged in in over a year I have no sympathy for you.  The reason those places require an e-mail address is so they have a way to send you a message in case they need to get a hold of your dumb ass.

I agree a year is a short time frame but having some sort of deadman switch on online accounts isn't a bad idea at all.


It's not so much that they are deactivating the old accounts, it's that they are letting someone else use them in a year.

For anyone with something consequential, this isn't a big deal.  But if you grandmother used her Yahoo account to sign up for an online newspaper subscription that saved her credit card info, and she never bothered to log into her Yahoo account again - this may be a big deal.  Doubly so if the third party web sites offer "gift subscriptions" without checking for feedback from your original email account.  You know, like Fark.
 
2013-06-19 07:47:42 PM  

Lsherm: Oh Jesus, I use my yahoo account to register for pr0n sites.  Someone is going to be very unhappy if I let it lapse.


Or very happy?
 
2013-06-19 07:49:04 PM  

sn82: sentex: sn82: I know several people that have had their accounts hacked this week. Once they release these emails it's going to get worse..

Most of the spam I get is from friends with yahoo accounts that get hacked bi-annually.

I get my gmail account hacked more than my yahoo account. I've had to reset my password several times.


Then turn on two-factor authentication and choose a better password.  Are you from 2006?
 
2013-06-19 07:53:46 PM  

Lsherm: sn82: sentex: sn82: I know several people that have had their accounts hacked this week. Once they release these emails it's going to get worse..

Most of the spam I get is from friends with yahoo accounts that get hacked bi-annually.

I get my gmail account hacked more than my yahoo account. I've had to reset my password several times.

Then turn on two-factor authentication and choose a better password.  Are you from 2006?


Yeah, I got everything under control captain.
 
2013-06-19 07:54:58 PM  
15 years with Yahoo, never a single issue...


Haters will hate, and spam is NOT an issue for me, I barely get any at all.
 
2013-06-19 07:54:58 PM  

Pud: But look on the bright side. You get lots and lots of Spam ...

img.fark.net
Tasty, delicious Spam


Jesus Christ...there are  THAT many kinds of Spam? *scribbles note on grocery list*
 
2013-06-19 07:55:14 PM  
Wouldn't you have to know *which* accounts were using your new yahoo address as a backup address? Could you just go to gmail and say you forgot all your information and here's your yahoo.com address to send the info? Would somebody use a throwaway yahoo account as a backup for an important account on another website?

If so, they're so dumb they deserve to get their identity stolen.
 
2013-06-19 07:55:51 PM  
Can't everyone just go in your Y! email and send a message to your Gmail? Then it would stay yours. Anybody who doesn't know about this doesn't even use the internet.
 
2013-06-19 07:56:47 PM  
That is stupid.
Just what I would expect from Yahoo.
 
2013-06-19 07:57:25 PM  

Lsherm: Oh Jesus, I use my yahoo account to register for pr0n sites.  Someone is going to be very unhappy if I let it lapse.


You register to get pron? And, how do you know they wouldn't be delighted?
 
2013-06-19 07:57:38 PM  
How can anyone from Yahoo even give this plan a go signal? Shouldn't they be the first ones to realize the dangers of doing such a thing, since they are the experts?
 
2013-06-19 07:58:57 PM  
All the more reason to get away from identification being based on an e-mail address and text password.

Most people don't do a good job of maintaining either.
 
2013-06-19 08:04:36 PM  
SDRR:
Lsherm: Oh Jesus, I use my yahoo account to register for pr0n sites.  Someone is going to be very unhappy if I let it lapse.

You register to get pron? And, how do you know they wouldn't be delighted?


I'm guessing if you register for pr0n, you get a LOT of spam and links to malware.  And I doubt Yahoo mail is any good at filtering it.
 
2013-06-19 08:05:22 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: All the more reason to get away from identification being based on an e-mail address and text password.

Most people don't do a good job of maintaining either.


I agree with you, but what is the alternative?  Some phone number you can't change and the true owner may alter upon you at any time?  There needs to be a real alternative first.  At least a text phrase can (usually) be pretty huge which will slow things down after about the 40th character, but what other option is there really?  You need something that the authentication-seeker uniquely possesses and that possession isn't tied to some other entity that genuinely owns the thing (phone number).  Oh and its gotta be digitally transmittable yet ethereally intangible enough that you can use it anywhere.
 
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