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(The Atlantic Wire)   FBI busts a "domestic terrorist" and alleged KKK member for plotting to build an atomic death ray that he was going to sell to the Israelis so it could be used on Muslims. The only flaws in his plan were that a) he's an idiot b) there's no such thing   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 100
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2013-06-19 05:46:13 PM
I thought the KKK hated Jews? This guy's doing it wrong.
 
2013-06-19 05:53:23 PM

RexTalionis: I thought the KKK hated Jews? This guy's doing it wrong.


You expect ideological consistency from a group composed mostly of inbred hicks?
 
2013-06-19 05:53:46 PM
So what law did he break?
 
2013-06-19 05:53:50 PM

RexTalionis: I thought the KKK hated Jews? This guy's doing it wrong.


Yup. Did not check his hate database.
 
2013-06-19 05:54:47 PM
So making notes in the process of plotting a science fiction story is illegal?
 
2013-06-19 05:55:10 PM
If the allegations are true, then Crawford is morally guilty. But entrapment laws are supposed to protect immoral idiots who do not have the means or power to actually carry out nefarious plots.

if I try to murder someone but don't succeed, that's still illegal. If you're dumb enough to try to sell weapons to terrorists, you deserve to be tried as an attempted (but idiotic) terrorist.
 
2013-06-19 05:56:07 PM
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2013-06-19 05:56:08 PM
There are Muslamic Ray Guns, I've seen an expert talking about them on YouTube.
 
2013-06-19 05:56:27 PM
Attempted aid and comfort to... an ally?
 
2013-06-19 05:56:27 PM

jigger: So what law did he break?


The law of rationality?
 
2013-06-19 05:56:45 PM

RexTalionis: I thought the KKK hated Jews? This guy's doing it wrong.


There see things as a hierarchy of sorts. Jews are bad, but they're definitely not as bad as brown muslims. An interesting thing to do would get a few of them together and have sort of an optometrist test of which groups they hate more.

Black Christian vs White Othodox Jew, Asian Businessman vs Mexican Landscaper, White Female Liberal vs Herman Cain, etc. etc.
 
2013-06-19 05:57:04 PM

what_now: If the allegations are true, then Crawford is morally guilty. But entrapment laws are supposed to protect immoral idiots who do not have the means or power to actually carry out nefarious plots.

if I try to murder someone but don't succeed, that's still illegal. If you're dumb enough to try to sell weapons to terrorists, you deserve to be tried as an attempted (but idiotic) terrorist.


Bloggers: "Entrapment, how the fark does it work?!"
 
2013-06-19 05:58:21 PM
The best part is he just called up synagogues to try to find a buyer for a death ray.

What the fark.
 
2013-06-19 05:59:31 PM
It was just a metal casing filled with old pin ball parts.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-06-19 06:01:07 PM
Legally he's in the wrong: stupidity and factual impossibility are no defenses to the crime of attempt. But if this is the best the FBI can come up with when it goes trolling for terrorists, I'm not afraid.
 
2013-06-19 06:01:17 PM
If you're going to prosecute idiots who have no real capability of carrying out their criminal fantasies, what other acts might be criminally prosecuted? Someone using a voodoo doll against someone else?
 
2013-06-19 06:01:59 PM

RexTalionis: I thought the KKK hated Jews? This guy's doing it wrong.


Get with the times man.  You're thinking of the old KKK.  This is the new KKK, which is much more inclusive.  They believe that all the races can come together now,  in order to hate black people.  Well blacks and Muslims.
 
2013-06-19 06:02:05 PM
The FBI:  Protecting you from the FBI since 2001.

I'm all for infiltrating terrorism rings but most of these are lone nutcases who are barely on the wrong side of entrapment.  I loved this one:

One was Hemant Lakhani, who bragged to an FBI informant that he could smuggle an anti-aircraft missile (and a submarine!), and in 2003, when an FBI informant got impatient after two years of procrastination, the FBI smuggled a fake missile for him. More recently, Mohanad Shareef Hammadi was sentenced for trying to send weapons and money to al Qaeda. At his January 2013 sentencing hearing, his lawyer noted that Hammadi "was unemployed and had no money, weapons or means of transporting them when he was recruited by a confidential government informant," USA Today reported. The weapons Hammadi said he'd smuggle included a Stinger missile, which made his minimum sentence 25 years -- which, according to Hammadi's lawyer, was  the "only reason this weapon was introduced by the government into the scheme."

That's just being lazy, guys.
 
2013-06-19 06:03:10 PM
So if the FBI can't find real terrorists, they just manufacture their own out of morons?
 
2013-06-19 06:03:43 PM
The crime isn't building a death ray to be used on Muslims.  The crime is CONSPIRING to build a death ray to be used on Muslims.

/Nobel Prize for Attempted Chemistry, etc.
 
2013-06-19 06:03:52 PM
Hey Cleuts, hold my pointy hood and watch this!

LOVE the Pinky and the Brain pic. That's good journalism.
 
2013-06-19 06:03:55 PM

ZAZ: Legally he's in the wrong: stupidity and factual impossibility are no defenses to the crime of attempt. But if this is the best the FBI can come up with when it goes trolling for terrorists, I'm not afraid.


So means and opportunity can be established despite being impossible? I'd call that a bit unnerving.
 
2013-06-19 06:04:43 PM
This is a total idiot, but did have the desire to kill someone and went as far as to "attempt to get a job" to pull it off.

Whether this was a poorly conceived plot to make money off Jews by selling them (cheaply) a bomb casing full of pinball machine parts or he actually though he could build a machine to kill muslims in their sleep, he should probably off the streets for awhile to think about what he's done. Like an adult time out, but with more shower rape.
 
2013-06-19 06:08:38 PM
Let me think. We're catching a lot of terrorists... or in the noted cases above, "terrorists". Are these included in the citizen wiretap number of terrorist plots thwarted?

Think about it. Manufacture terrorists, catch them through "spying", reason for spying stays in place! Whoever thought this one up needs a BIG raise (right after we hang him).
 
2013-06-19 06:08:47 PM

JesseL: ZAZ: Legally he's in the wrong: stupidity and factual impossibility are no defenses to the crime of attempt. But if this is the best the FBI can come up with when it goes trolling for terrorists, I'm not afraid.

So means and opportunity can be established despite being impossible? I'd call that a bit unnerving.


A gun can be jammed up to the point of being impossible to function. Isn't it still attempted murder if you believe it will work when you point it at someone's head and pull the trigger?
 
2013-06-19 06:08:59 PM
Who says that forced institutalization of the insane is dead? This article had several fine examples of this in it.
 
2013-06-19 06:09:16 PM
this almost sounds more like mental illness... some sort of delusional state? on the other hand, that part of upstate new york is lousy with run of the mill wierdo's and idiots
 
2013-06-19 06:11:43 PM

RexTalionis: I thought the KKK hated Jews? This guy's doing it wrong.


Anti-muslim hysteria is the new Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

It's also mainstream. You can't get elected or appear on TV these days overtly spouting anti-Semitism, but it's actually a requirement in some quarters.
 
2013-06-19 06:12:28 PM
this is why we need to let the red states secede - if not only for the lulz of watching cave men banging rocks together to try to make fire.
 
2013-06-19 06:14:10 PM
The Aristocrats!
 
2013-06-19 06:19:29 PM
wait, no "c)"?

/when in doubt...
 
2013-06-19 06:21:18 PM

GhostFish: JesseL: ZAZ: Legally he's in the wrong: stupidity and factual impossibility are no defenses to the crime of attempt. But if this is the best the FBI can come up with when it goes trolling for terrorists, I'm not afraid.

So means and opportunity can be established despite being impossible? I'd call that a bit unnerving.

A gun can be jammed up to the point of being impossible to function. Isn't it still attempted murder if you believe it will work when you point it at someone's head and pull the trigger?


Would you be in favor of bringing attempted murder charges against someone who tried to use voodoo dolls to kill people?
 
2013-06-19 06:22:28 PM
I thought the answer was always (c) ?
 
2013-06-19 06:23:27 PM

RexTalionis: I thought the KKK hated Jews? This guy's doing it wrong.


Depends on the era/branch of the Klan. The original Ku Kluxers were just anti-black and anti-carpet bagger. The 1920s version were anti-Red, anti-immigrant and anti-Jew (they pretty much lumped all those together). The post-WWII version are mainly anti-black, with a little Jew hatred thrown in as a seasoner. Some of them are OK with Jews, as long as they stay over in Israel (pronounced Izrul).

I can't believe they charged him, though. Any decent lawyer's going to be able to get him acquitted, or the charges knocked down to "being an asshole in possession of a computer." Hard to be convicted for possessing a destructive device that can't exist.
 
2013-06-19 06:24:59 PM

GhostFish: JesseL: ZAZ: Legally he's in the wrong: stupidity and factual impossibility are no defenses to the crime of attempt. But if this is the best the FBI can come up with when it goes trolling for terrorists, I'm not afraid.

So means and opportunity can be established despite being impossible? I'd call that a bit unnerving.

A gun can be jammed up to the point of being impossible to function. Isn't it still attempted murder if you believe it will work when you point it at someone's head and pull the trigger?


There are several cases, especially from the old days before they outlawed those $5 pistols you could get down at the corner bodega, where someone fired the weapon at a someone else, it blew his hand off, and he was still charged with attempted murder. The law follows intent, not result.
 
2013-06-19 06:25:36 PM
Are you saying you don't recognize Israel, subby?
 
2013-06-19 06:29:05 PM
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2013-06-19 06:29:51 PM

what_now: If the allegations are true, then Crawford is morally guilty. But entrapment laws are supposed to protect immoral idiots who do not have the means or power to actually carry out nefarious plots.

if I try to murder someone but don't succeed, that's still illegal. If you're dumb enough to try to sell weapons to terrorists, you deserve to be tried as an attempted (but idiotic) terrorist.


What if you try to murder someone through voodoo? Or attempt to kill them through the sharpness of wit of your finely crafted satirical rock opera? Impossibility can actually be a defense.
 
2013-06-19 06:30:28 PM
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Death Ray?!? We don't need no stinkin' Death Ray!! (Those are the Jews we keep hearing about, right?)
 
2013-06-19 06:30:38 PM

JesseL: GhostFish: JesseL: ZAZ: Legally he's in the wrong: stupidity and factual impossibility are no defenses to the crime of attempt. But if this is the best the FBI can come up with when it goes trolling for terrorists, I'm not afraid.

So means and opportunity can be established despite being impossible? I'd call that a bit unnerving.

A gun can be jammed up to the point of being impossible to function. Isn't it still attempted murder if you believe it will work when you point it at someone's head and pull the trigger?

Would you be in favor of bringing attempted murder charges against someone who tried to use voodoo dolls to kill people?


No, but I think there's a difference.

Voodoo dolls, prayers and wishing are very hands off and there is zero reason to believe that someone who fails to kill with magic will then move on to a real weapon.

I think someone who fails to kill with a nonfunctional weapon is likely to try again with a different one.
 
2013-06-19 06:31:24 PM
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"Laser"
 
2013-06-19 06:32:09 PM
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2013-06-19 06:33:10 PM

jigger: So what law did he break?


A bunch of "conspiracy to commit" laws. What he was doing was akin to a kid planning a school shooting. Nip that retard shiat in the bud. If he can't build a nuclear death truck maybe he'll just pick up a gun instead.
 
2013-06-19 06:33:29 PM
I'll bet that Doc Brown could build an Atomic Death Ray if he had the materials for it. Maybe he should go talk to some Palestinian terrorists and see if they have anything lying around...
 
2013-06-19 06:35:41 PM

GhostFish: JesseL: GhostFish: JesseL: ZAZ: Legally he's in the wrong: stupidity and factual impossibility are no defenses to the crime of attempt. But if this is the best the FBI can come up with when it goes trolling for terrorists, I'm not afraid.

So means and opportunity can be established despite being impossible? I'd call that a bit unnerving.

A gun can be jammed up to the point of being impossible to function. Isn't it still attempted murder if you believe it will work when you point it at someone's head and pull the trigger?

Would you be in favor of bringing attempted murder charges against someone who tried to use voodoo dolls to kill people?

No, but I think there's a difference.

Voodoo dolls, prayers and wishing are very hands off and there is zero reason to believe that someone who fails to kill with magic will then move on to a real weapon.

I think someone who fails to kill with a nonfunctional weapon is likely to try again with a different one.


Jesus. No wonder this country is farked up. People like you vote.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-06-19 06:35:59 PM
Would you be in favor of bringing attempted murder charges against someone who tried to use voodoo dolls to kill people?

Police had that choice recently, and elected to charge only the machete, not the voodoo skull. I agree with their decision.

http://www.enterprisenews.com/news/x711913533/Wife-mother-of-suspect ed -arsonists-attacks-cops-with-machete
 
2013-06-19 06:37:40 PM
For the big sci-fi wwii project, the Japanese could have gone for splitting the atom or a death ray.  They went with death ray.  Why not both?

\Maybe he knows something we don't.
 
2013-06-19 06:40:57 PM

jaybeezey: This is a total idiot, but did have the desire to kill someone and went as far as to "attempt to get a job" to pull it off.

Whether this was a poorly conceived plot to make money off Jews by selling them (cheaply) a bomb casing full of pinball machine parts or he actually though he could build a machine to kill muslims in their sleep, he should probably off the streets for awhile to think about what he's done. Like an adult time out, but with more shower rape.


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2013-06-19 06:41:05 PM
So the FBI is still manufacturing terrorism plots and trotting the involved morons out in front of the TV cameras.
 
2013-06-19 06:43:12 PM

jigger: So what law did he break?


He broke the laws of entropy and gravitation, for starters.
 
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