Cytokine Storm: I want *developers* who worked their asses off to see money on every copy of their game that is sold instead of Gamestop. fark me, right?-Cliffy B.
Cytokine Storm: None of you understand this issue, this guy gets it.More studios WILL close and you'll see more PC and mobile games.I have seen the number of unique gamer tags vs actual sales numbers and it ain't pretty.At the end of the day many hardcore dislike what was attempted. You can't do well in that space with many of your core unhappy... Especially when users have a choice. The nature of capitalism encourages competition and Sony played into that.Brace yourselves. More tacked on multiplayer and DLC are coming.You're also about to see available microtransactions skyrocket. HATS FOR EVERYONE.I want *developers* who worked their asses off to see money on every copy of their game that is sold instead of Gamestop. fark me, right?*Sony* forced Microsoft's hand, not the internet whining.You're going to see digital versions of your favorite games with added "features" and content to lure you to digital over disc based.I find it funny how people are saying that I "lost" when I don't have a job or an allegiance now.What I do have is 20 years of experience making games and seeing how the sausage is made.-Cliffy B.
Adolf Oliver Nipples: Someothermonkey: I'm not sure if you're capable of understanding this, but just because it wasn't a big deal to you, doesn't mean it wasn't a big deal to others. Microsoft was trying to destroy the first sale doctrine and the traditional concept of ownership over physical products. That is a big deal, even if you're not capable of realizing it.I can think of lots of "big deals" that really aren't. There are some threads in the Politics tab right now attesting to that. That doesn't make them actual big deals, it makes the people who believe them paranoid loonies. More to follow.Someothermonkey: I believe spying rumors on the Kinect? Please, feel free to point out where I said that. Otherwise, you might not want to lie so blatantly and when you know you don't have an argument worth anything.I don't give a shiat if you personally believe this one or not. This is one of those "big deals" that isn't. Scroll up and read at your leisure. Lots of people do believe it, and since it's one of those "reversals" (since always-on is now "gone", even though it always was) it's part of the argument.Someothermonkey: Publishers/Developers get their money from the first sale. They do not deserve seconds cuts - no other industry tries to do this, but for some reason, entitled, spoiled and whiny developers in the game industry think they deserve it. Sheer lunacy.EVERY industry tries to get a second bite of the apple. Some are more successful than others. But let's play this through. You (this time it is you personally I am talking to) create a game. One person buys it and gives it to 10 other people. You get paid once. You don't see the issue with that and why they might be keen on recapturing some of that? I don't care one way or the other, to be honest, but it's an easy argument to understand, and I hardly begrudge a company trying to capitalize as much as possible on their property. It's just music redux, and the existing arguments apply the same way.Someothermonkey: Oh, ...
narkor: Remember all the nerds who would have died rather than buy Sony after they nixed Linux boot and had those rootkits and got hacked? Lot of them seem to have pre-ordered a PS4.
Soup4Bonnie: I wasn't buying one for many reasons. They have eliminated one of them.
Jedekai: Everyone hates the Kinect. They think it's stupid - me? I don't have a problem with it... (CUE CLARKSON!)... AND THIS IS WHY:[www.7outof10.co.uk image 850x478]Play Forza 4/Horizon with it once. ONCE.You will never touch the controller again. Wheel and pedal combos? OBSOLETE! The best ($30,000,000 in R&D) racing controller ever!/I fully expect to see Stig helmets aplenty vs. Guy Fawkes masks.
hardinparamedic: Adolf Oliver Nipples: The Kinect thing will not change because they built it into the machine itself and they will not be redesigning it to remove it.Little piece of electrical tape will solve a multitude of problems.
MindStalker: change1211: Vaneshi: As to used game sales.I don't see Toyota biatching about second hand car sales. Any publisher who thinks they deserve a second bite of that apple... is not a developer I do business with.So you get nothing.Doesn't Toyota get money from used car sales when people sell/trade their car back into a dealership?Umm, no. They probably lose money when the dealership does any recall repairs the previous owner hadn't bothered with.
MrSteve007: The dude has a point. Why would you buy a digital copy on the next generation console, since you can't swap or sell the game? If it were up to the tech whiners, we'll be stuck with disk swapping and disk based DRM & keys for the next couple decades.I wish they would have gone with a less backward approach, and offer "offline" versions of physical games for people to play while away from the internet (military, cabins, etc). At least in my situation, and most folks these days, broadband isn't that hard to find. shiat, I have 100Mbps fiber at work, 35 Mbps DSL or cable at home, Clearwire's WiMax gives me 25 Mbps even out on my boat(crappy service and horrible ping times), and even my cell phone has a ping of 82 and download speeds between 9 and 18 Mbps - and I live out in the middle of farm fields.(Very hard to believe, and certianly not normal) Even if you're way out in the middle of nowhere, you can get decent internet via satellite - like my parents do out in the mountains.(Satellite Internet is notoriously bad for online gaming, don't even try unless you like getting shot in the face)If you say you can't get any internet above dial-up, and you live in the lower 48 states, you're not even trying - or a poor ass sucker who can't afford a $500 console in the first place.
King Keepo: What has changed? I'm seeing no 180 here at all. It was never "always on" and still requires the internet. The bit where it says you can still play if you lose your connection I assume means if you lose it for less than 24 hours as per before.Kinnect is still the same. There is some clarification about what the cloud does. They release in some markets. Some TV guff is clarified. They just put everything in a bulleted list and everyone is happy again?[img69.imageshack.us image 400x528]
fisker: you guys actually believe you had something to do with these results
DerpHerder: This was a cool idea killed by small minded people.
TyrantII: If you honestly believe that MS would implement all this anti-consumer, walled garden DRM and then basically allow you to pay 1/10th the price for "family shared" games, I got a bridge to sell you.
Elegy: I'm actually a little bummed that MS backed down. I understand why they did it - Internet hate machine was steamrolling them and all - but with the DRM checking came the ability loan out digital copies of my game library, meaning I could have swapped games with my XBL friends. Now, no DRM, back to shiatty single-use licensing for digital content.However, I do understand why that trade off doesn't work for soldiers, people with dodgy Internet connections, and the global market, and I do think MS made the right move
Adolf Oliver Nipples: Someothermonkey: Adolf Oliver Nipples: MythDragon: There seems to be quite a few people on gamefaqs that are pissed at this. For God's sake why? They seem to think that DRM ladden games would be cheaper. And taking away the constant on-line requirement somehow ruins the system? The fark?Why are people actualy mad about this?Because none of it was a big deal to most of us? If you buy the games you want the used games policy doesn't matter, and since I already have a Kinect and a 360 that's on and connected more often than not I give that part of it a big meh. It's really not a big deal. None of it is. The only thing that matters is the price.LOLMicrosoft just went through with a massive reversal, further damaging their reputation and credibility not only with consumers but with publishers and developers who were sold on their DRM policies, over something that 'really not a big deal.'I mean, seriously?You would think people would understand that just because Microsoft's anti-consumer policies didn't affect them, it doesn't mean they're suddenly a majority. The very fact microsoft would go back on their initial policies is proof enough. The arrogance is astounding really.It's NOT a big deal. Things become big deals because people get wound up about them, often for no good reason. I've heard the reasons, but they're not good ones. Do you really think that Microsoft is going to be watching you with always-on Kinect? Do you really think that trading intellectual property away after you've used it doesn't hurt the developers financially and that they shouldn't have an interest in trying to protect their creations?To quote you.. I mean, seriously?Now, you may actually believe these things, in which case there's nothing I can say to convince you otherwise. As it is I've already wasted my time because I know you believe these things. But for most of us it makes no difference. We play the games we want, we don't worry about spying, and we enjoy ourselves. I ...
Stone Meadow: BTW, has anyone nominated Subby for Headline of the Year?
Elegy: Sony bricks users consoles with upgraded HDDs, MS reverses on DRM.[img.fark.net image 294x515]I need more popcorn.
Jedekai: Everyone hates the Kinect. They think it's stupid - me? I don't have a problem with it... (CUE CLARKSON!)...AND THIS IS WHY:[www.7outof10.co.uk image 850x478]Play Forza 4/Horizon with it once. ONCE.You will never touch the controller again. Wheel and pedal combos? OBSOLETE! The best ($30,000,000 in R&D) racing controller ever!/I fully expect to see Stig helmets aplenty vs. Guy Fawkes masks.
RexTalionis: Jedekai: Everyone hates the Kinect. They think it's stupid - me? I don't have a problem with it... (CUE CLARKSON!)... AND THIS IS WHY:[image.superstreetonline.com image 800x533]Yes, because playing a game with your arms outstretched in front of you for extended periods of times doesn't lend itself to fatigue or anything.
God-is-a-Taco: codergirl42:Yeah it's not like you ever had to outstretch your arms for extended periods of times in real life.I guess you missed the "wii-itis" thing. The body isn't built to sustain it.
Snaps: DanZero: Damn. So all those images bashing the console I've been hoarding and posting on nearly every Xbone thread here are useless.And yes, still no word on the invasive camera.The new hotness will be bashing MS for not sticking to their guns haha.
USA Prime Credit Peggy: Wait, where's all the shills who were saying how great and innovative being forced to be always online was? And how awesome and wonderful Microsoft was being by leading the way there?Gone? You don't say?
Jedekai: Play Forza 4/Horizon with it once. ONCE
Voiceofreason01: the kinect would be sweet if someone could figure out what the hell it's good for but like the example you posted most of the uses for it are demonstrably worse than using a conventional controller.
shifty lookin bleeder: hardinparamedic: Adolf Oliver Nipples: The Kinect thing will not change because they built it into the machine itself and they will not be redesigning it to remove it.Little piece of electrical tape will solve a multitude of problems.Just what do you think you're doing, Dave?
Voiceofreason01: RexTalionis:Yes, because playing a game with your arms outstretched in front of you for extended periods of times doesn't lend itself to fatigue or anything.the kinect would be sweet if someone could figure out what the hell it's good for but like the example you posted most of the uses for it are demonstrably worse than using a conventional controller.
Rev.K: Quality headline.
WalkingCarpet: It's funny, I could live with all the DRM but the one thing that remains is the one thing I hate the most, mandatory Kinect.
justtray: http://www.fark.com/users/justtray">justtray http://www.fark.com/totalfarksignup" target=_top>http://img.fark.net/images/2003/totalfark.gif" width=54 height=11>First it's ironic that Sony is now taking the high ground on anti-DRM.Secondly, Microsoft will cave to public opinion on this. They're stupid, but not stubbornly so.11 Jun 2013 05:50 PM
hardinparamedic: Steve Balmer is watching you masturbate.
hardinparamedic: eddievercetti: Still 100 bucks more expensive and still needs the Kinect to play. Fark off Don.I'll stick with PS3 and Steam. PS4 soon.Oh, don't tell him to fark off. Watching Don Mattick is like watching a bus wreck into a gas station and burn with those on board screaming, or a Tijuana Donkey Show. It's horrific, but you just can't help but stare in awe at it.
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