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2013-06-19 08:20:46 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Seriously!? Wow, I didn't realize how unironic your sarcasm was.


I read off-hand that the developer build isn't final, but that's obvious when you're talking about E3 demonstrations.  There's always the chance that they change it, but yes, you have a game where every sword-strike past the initiating attack plays out through a QTE that you cannot fail.  And people thought Arkham Asylum soiled the good graces of the Japanese beat 'em ups from the sixth gen.

eddievercetti: Again, has he made anything of relevance lately?


I know this may sound a little bit silly, since I'm currently playing and enjoying Unreal, but Unreal Tournament 3 will continue to leave a bad taste in my mouth.  And no, not really.  I dunno what happened to him.  Maybe he wants a way back into the game industry and doesn't want to buck the status quo.  Either way, he's been a bit of a pain in the ass.
 
2013-06-19 08:22:13 PM
I've got a Gamerscore of 30,000 on xbox. Almost my entire gaming experience has been nothing but xbox. I'm a customer that MS would assume to stay loyal under almost any condition, yet they still can't figure out that it's the farking Kinect that's driving customers away.

I already pre-ordered two PS4's for our house.
 
2013-06-19 08:22:17 PM

ajgeek: That was slower than I anticipated. I thought they'd reverse a couple weeks ago.

Q:    Will Xbox One allow players to trade in, purchase and play pre-owned games?
A:    We are designing Xbox One to enable customers to trade in and resell games. We'll have more details to share later.

This particular FAQ is hilarious. "Designing" indeed.


I worked at MSFT as an intern.   6 months for the design/build/test process (LOT of moving parts with buy-in from a LOT of teams editing a LOT of existing code, and in the process, creating a LOT of bugs that need to be fixed) sounds about right.   In theory, it's a simple remove. In reality, there's a lot of code with the built-in assumption "This game appears with this user and nowhere else"
 
2013-06-19 08:23:12 PM
The cloud makes every experience better and more accessible.

I'm not sure I'd buy any product from any company that made this claim.
 
2013-06-19 08:24:01 PM

wuma: Why so mad? This might actually increase sales for a system people ran away from.


You know why Microsoft called it the Xbox One?  Because in five years, all the billions of Xbox Ones were going to merge to form the singularity.  The human era would have ended, and now it will not, because "the Xbox One is a terrible product".  Congratulations.
 
2013-06-19 08:26:39 PM
So pissed they got rid of the shared games library and the ability to share my games with 10 "family" members.
 
2013-06-19 08:28:02 PM

Virtual Pariah: Witty_Retort: Question: What about before they said you installed the game then could throw the disk away? Will you now have to keep the disk to play it?


Seems like the disc is going to go back to being the key.


Which is a bit of a let down, as I was genuinely curious to see what would happen when a console strays closer to the PC way of doing things.
I was sure they'd push it to launch at least.

/In the end the PC is still the biggest winner.
/It gets Oculus, it gets many of its own exclusives and all manner of controllers, it has the best specs and it is also disk free.
 
2013-06-19 08:29:27 PM
I got the Xbox logo tattooed on my face and named my kids Chief, Halo, and Ballmer. So you can trust that I'm the biggest Microsoft fan who has ever Microsofted. But I'm so mad about something or the other that I'm buying a PS4.

/Honestly
 
2013-06-19 08:29:53 PM
Virtual Pariah:

Say I pick up a classic like Ultima 7 at the wonderful price of $2.99.

Will it just work?

I have to admit that U7 was the game that capped the end of my PC gaming.
The Memory Manager was a complete mess, and I kept losing my backpack items.

To the point that I had to send my disk in to have it edited.


I guess so I think older games come with a custom set-up for DOS-Box. Also, there is a very active community that will help out for custom solutions.
compatible with   Windows (XP, Vista, 7, 8) and Mac OS X (10.6.8 or newer)
 
2013-06-19 08:30:15 PM

eddievercetti: Still 100 bucks more expensive and still needs the Kinect to play. Fark off Don.

I'll stick with PS3 XBox 360 and Steam. PS4  Steambox as soon as available.


FTFM
 
2013-06-19 08:31:57 PM
Way to ruin holodecks for the rest of us, Sonyboys.  Microsoft was the future, now it's over.

This is worse than 9/11, Hitler, Stalin and Obama all put together.
 
2013-06-19 08:36:43 PM

change1211: Mangoose: "Xbox One hardware is not compatible with Xbox 360 games. We designed Xbox One to play an entirely new generation of games-games that are architected to take full advantage of state-of-the-art processors and the infinite power of the cloud. "

That's some mighty fine bullshiat you got there.

The PS4 isn't backwards compatible either, you should try to not talk about things you don't know anything about.


I'm commenting on a pr statement. You should try not to be such a punk.
 
2013-06-19 08:39:04 PM

Mike_LowELL: wuma: Why so mad? This might actually increase sales for a system people ran away from.

You know why Microsoft called it the Xbox One?  Because in five years, all the billions of Xbox Ones were going to merge to form the singularity.  The human era would have ended, and now it will not, because "the Xbox One is a terrible product".  Congratulations.


The Trapper Keepers would never let that happen.
 
2013-06-19 08:41:15 PM
Thats the StalkerBox One80 subbs...
 
2013-06-19 08:43:41 PM
Still holding out for a Steambox.
 
2013-06-19 08:43:45 PM

Cytokine Storm: Way to ruin holodecks for the rest of us, Sonyboys.  Microsoft was the future, now it's over.

This is worse than 9/11, Hitler, Stalin and Obama all put together.


Other than pointing and laughing, I wasn't exactly yelling outrage at Microsoft.  I'm guessing Sony fanboys did much of the same; they don't give two shiats about the Xbox One, only that their system isn't following the same practices.

So here's something else I'm curious about.  If the Xbox One is region free and back to normal DRM practices, does that mean it's available in more countries?  One of the biggest hits with Xbox One preorders was that the console only worked in 21 countries.  Half of Europe and all of Asia couldn't buy it... that still the case?

I still think that's what turned Microsoft around... not the DRM practices, but that 2/3 of the farking civilized world can't use your console because of them.
 
2013-06-19 08:45:02 PM
They are lying to you.

They realize that they won't be able to move hardware, so they've changed their policy - for now. Just wait. Once they hit their sales targets, it won't take much to change those policies back to something a bit more restrictive - and by that time, you've dropped your money on the Xbox One instead of the PS4, so you're now "stuck" with their more oppressive policies.

After all, it was easy enough to do an about-face, even as their PR folks laughed at you for protesting. Nothing stops them from doing another about-face once they've sold enough folks on the hardware.
 
2013-06-19 08:49:53 PM

FormlessOne: They are lying to you.

They realize that they won't be able to move hardware, so they've changed their policy - for now. Just wait. Once they hit their sales targets, it won't take much to change those policies back to something a bit more restrictive - and by that time, you've dropped your money on the Xbox One instead of the PS4, so you're now "stuck" with their more oppressive policies.

After all, it was easy enough to do an about-face, even as their PR folks laughed at you for protesting. Nothing stops them from doing another about-face once they've sold enough folks on the hardware.


Kinda like Sony and the PS3? How do we know Sony won't do what they've done in the past again?
 
2013-06-19 08:51:25 PM
Xbox One hardware is not compatible with Xbox 360 games. We designed Xbox One to play an entirely new generation of games-games that are architected to take full advantage of state-of-the-art processors and the infinite power of the cloud.

Cool, so now it's just a shiatty console and not an active detriment to the quality of life for everyone in a 500-m radius.
 
2013-06-19 08:52:19 PM
There sure is a lot of butthurt for a children's toy
 
2013-06-19 08:54:22 PM
BTW, has anyone nominated Subby for Headline of the Year?
 
2013-06-19 08:54:57 PM

FlashHarry: behold the power of social media.

the always-on camera is still spooky though.


Wouldn't a little bit of tape solve that problem?
 
2013-06-19 08:57:55 PM

Stone Meadow: BTW, has anyone nominated Subby for Headline of the Year?


For the obvious joke that was make everywhere at once?
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/19/xbox-one-80-microsoft-reverses-xbo x- one-drm-features/
 
2013-06-19 08:59:26 PM

degenerate-afro: Stone Meadow: BTW, has anyone nominated Subby for Headline of the Year?

For the obvious joke that was make everywhere at once?
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/06/19/xbox-one-80-microsoft-reverses-xbo x- one-drm-features/


Okay, it may not be original, but at least it's timely. :)
 
2013-06-19 08:59:42 PM
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 09:00:23 PM

change1211: FormlessOne: They are lying to you.

They realize that they won't be able to move hardware, so they've changed their policy - for now. Just wait. Once they hit their sales targets, it won't take much to change those policies back to something a bit more restrictive - and by that time, you've dropped your money on the Xbox One instead of the PS4, so you're now "stuck" with their more oppressive policies.

After all, it was easy enough to do an about-face, even as their PR folks laughed at you for protesting. Nothing stops them from doing another about-face once they've sold enough folks on the hardware.

Kinda like Sony and the PS3? How do we know Sony won't do what they've done in the past again?


What exactly did Sony do that they took back, and can now might do again?
 
2013-06-19 09:02:46 PM
So I can play Forza 5 and Titanfall without the slightest twinge of concern now...  I'm... I'm in?

Wow I'm totally in!

/Thanks M$
 
2013-06-19 09:03:12 PM
Awesome. I was getting one anyway and I'm old and employed and very busy so the chances of me trading or hunting down used games was nil anyway but I do like it when companies listen to their customers.
 
2013-06-19 09:05:56 PM

FlashHarry: behold the power of social media.

the always-on camera is still spooky though.


How hard is it to turn it 180 degrees and face it towards a wall?
 
2013-06-19 09:09:17 PM
No now no sharing digital digital games. That's a win.

Oh and love the consistency of nerd rage. Remember all the nerds who would have died rather than buy Sony after they nixed Linux boot and had those rootkits and got hacked? Lot of them seem to have pre-ordered a PS4.

Nerd rage. As ephemeral as kitten farts.
 
2013-06-19 09:12:12 PM
I forgot where I heard this but I find it funny.

Whenever I see the phrase "The cloud" I replace it with "the butt".
 
2013-06-19 09:12:24 PM

Someothermonkey: What exactly did Sony do that they took back, and can now might do again?


They took away the Linux option.  Those seven guys who turned their PS4 into a Linux computer are still really butthurt about it.  Of course, the new model doesn't have that option, but they can still take it away if you think about time in a non-linear fashion!
 
2013-06-19 09:16:42 PM
I wasn't buying one for many reasons.  They have eliminated one of them.

I suppose Microsoft can pat themselves on the back for that if they feel it necessary.
 
2013-06-19 09:21:50 PM
Kill the kinect and chop off 150 dollars, make netflix and other video/audio services function without your shiatty xbox live subscription.  And get Kingdom Heart 3, then I will buy you.
 
2013-06-19 09:24:13 PM

narkor: Remember all the nerds who would have died rather than buy Sony after they nixed Linux boot and had those rootkits and got hacked? Lot of them seem to have pre-ordered a PS4.


Are those really the same people? can you name one person who said they were boycotting sony then preordered a PS4?

Soup4Bonnie: I wasn't buying one for many reasons.  They have eliminated one of them.


Yeah, I mean; this is good and all, but it's still significantly less powerful than the PS4 and a hundred bucks more expensive. The DRM stuff has seen the lion's share of the criticism aimed at the console, but it's not the only reason people aren't overly enthusiastic for the Xbone.
 
2013-06-19 09:31:10 PM
There seems to be quite  a few people on gamefaqs that are pissed at this. For God's sake why? They seem to think that DRM ladden games would be cheaper. And taking away the constant on-line requirement somehow ruins the system? The fark?

Why are people actualy mad about this?
 
2013-06-19 09:32:10 PM

Thisbymaster: Kill the kinect and chop off 150 dollars, make netflix and other video/audio services function without your shiatty xbox live subscription.  And get Kingdom Heart 3, then I will buy you.


So, all they have to do is do everything you want with nothing you don't and you'll buy it. If that's your criteria for everything you must live quite a spartan existence.
 
2013-06-19 09:35:46 PM

MythDragon: There seems to be quite  a few people on gamefaqs that are pissed at this. For God's sake why? They seem to think that DRM ladden games would be cheaper. And taking away the constant on-line requirement somehow ruins the system? The fark?

Why are people actualy mad about this?


Because none of it was a big deal to most of us? If you buy the games you want the used games policy doesn't matter, and since I already have a Kinect and a 360 that's on and connected more often than not I give that part of it a big meh. It's really not a big deal. None of it is. The only thing that matters is the price.
 
2013-06-19 09:36:09 PM

MythDragon: There seems to be quite  a few people on gamefaqs that are pissed at this. For God's sake why? They seem to think that DRM ladden games would be cheaper. And taking away the constant on-line requirement somehow ruins the system? The fark?

Why are people actualy mad about this?


for real...  All limitations are self imposed.   Microsoft can make it work however the fark they want.
 
2013-06-19 09:36:51 PM
I just bought a new 360. I still have a stack of games to get through and games I wanted to play that I haven't even bought yet (at last count, I had 41 xbox 360 games in my house ... if you count both versions of fallout 3 (regular and GOTY)).

My old launch era console was dying (optical drive failure), I tried to fix it by doing the two simple swaps and no dice, still have problems reading certain disks. I held out until the E3, saw the xbox one then said F it I'm getting another 360.

// Got the S version, not the new one that's set up to look like an xbone. Basically, I'm already using all of the HDMI connections and on the xbone clone they got rid of the component output.

Basically, they removed ports and shiat and still charge you the same price. Sorry, I'll take the previous version (the bundle that comes with Darksiders 2 and one of the batman games for the same price, thanks.
 
2013-06-19 09:38:44 PM

Jedekai: Everyone hates the Kinect. They think it's stupid - me? I don't have a problem with it... (CUE CLARKSON!)...
AND THIS IS WHY:

[www.7outof10.co.uk image 850x478]

Play Forza 4/Horizon with it once. ONCE.

You will never touch the controller again. Wheel and pedal combos? OBSOLETE! The best ($30,000,000 in R&D) racing controller ever!

/I fully expect to see Stig helmets aplenty vs. Guy Fawkes masks.


Do you accelerate by going "Vrooooom" and hit the brakes by yelling "Screeeeeeeeeeeeech"?

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 09:39:09 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-19 09:41:32 PM
scottydoesntknow: An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games - After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.

It was several threads ago, before we had any concrete information, that I mentioned that this is how I would have expected it to work (IE, if you have the disk, you have the disk and don't need to connect). And my theory was that the 24 hour phone home thing was just for installed games.

But boy, was I wrong, so very wrong, that I was ashamed when they actually released the details.

Now, with this backstepping, I feel like I can show my face to the world again :D

// Microsoft, this is what you should have announced in the first place, dumbasses.
 
2013-06-19 09:42:17 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-19 09:44:12 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: If you buy the games you want the used games policy doesn't matter, and since I already have a Kinect and a 360 that's on and connected more often than not I give that part of it a big meh. It's really not a big deal. None of it is.


I have a 360 and a Kinect but I'm not online.  I don't play with other people.  Always on or even just checking in every 24 hours was a big deal to me, but only one of the big deals.  The used game thing was ridiculous, too.  The kinect thing, too.  I never use it, so thanks a lot for making it even more intrusive and making me buy it.  Not sure what this product does offer me that I actually want.

As for buying a PS4; no thanks.  There are still a bajillion and a half 360 games that I own that I'm not through let alone the rest of the catalog.    I'm good for quite some time.
 
2013-06-19 09:44:37 PM

MythDragon: Why are people actualy mad about this?


They bought into MS's marketing BS that this would somehow lead to cheap high-quality games. The argument goes something like:

1) Enforce DRM that makes it difficult for people to trade or sell games.
2) This means that developers don't have to worry about making games that people will enjoy for a long period of time.
3) Therefore higher quality games, somehow. Also they'll lower the price, because as we all know, when someone makes a lot of money they stop wanting more.

I personally don't find the "logic" overly convincing. I guess they kinda have a point in that it could result in less crappy tacked-on multiplayer and pointless DLC (as those are mostly made to extend the life of short games), but it could also just as easily result in even shorter single player campaigns and fewer sales (as they don't need to compete with Gamestop's used section).
 
2013-06-19 09:44:52 PM

MythDragon: There seems to be quite  a few people on gamefaqs that are pissed at this. For God's sake why? They seem to think that DRM ladden games would be cheaper. And taking away the constant on-line requirement somehow ruins the system? The fark?

Why are people actualy mad about this?


Lots of the original xbone apologists believed that microsoft would institute steam like sales immediately. Even though prices on the Xbox online market (and the PSN for what's it worth, although they are getting better with this) are often more than their physical counterparts.

Gamefaqs is still full of 13 year old trolls though.
 
2013-06-19 09:49:55 PM

TheOmni: It's not no DRM. It's just back to the shiatty DRM we have had before instead of a new and differently shiatty DRM.


What DRM?  You buy a game disc, you can play the game from the disc.  Any Xbox with the disc in it can play the game.  That's not DRM.  Game consoles have operated that way for 35 years.
 
2013-06-19 09:51:17 PM
I don't get why they can't implement the best of both schemes. If their all digital thing was so world changing and wonderful, keep that part just the way they planned. Do crazy sales like steam, let us share those with friends who are online, all that. But if I pay full price for a physical disc, and I put that disc in the console (as opposed to choosing to install it to the hard drive), it damn well better play it whether I have internet at the moment or not.

They've caved, sure, but now it's like they are being spiteful about it just to prove a point or something.
 
2013-06-19 09:52:28 PM

Elegy: I'm actually a little bummed that MS backed down. I understand why they did it - Internet hate machine was steamrolling them and all - but with the DRM checking came the ability loan out digital copies of my game library, meaning I could have swapped games with my XBL friends. Now, no DRM, back to shiatty single-use licensing for digital content.

However, I do understand why that trade off doesn't work for soldiers, people with dodgy Internet connections, and the global market, and I do think MS made the right move

FlashHarry: the always-on camera is still spooky though.

DanZero: And yes, still no word on the invasive camera.

snuffy: still there is bills unblinking eye on you.

Yeahhhhh, that ones been debunked.


This is what I've been telling all my friends. Everyone was freaking out and taking the used game market the wrong way. This was a cool idea killed by small minded people. Im sure M$ execution of the market would have been less than it could have been but still being able to digitially loan a game would be cool. At the least I would take loaning games digitally over getting 5$ at gamestop... Thats what they get for trying to reinvent the wheel though considering the majority of the console community aren't big thinkers its not suprising.
 
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