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2013-06-19 07:03:57 PM  
Absolutely disgusting.  If I go into your house and break something, I would go to jail, if I was poor.  You walked into Microsoft's consumer market and broke their business model.  You imbeciles caused billions of dollars of damage to a corporation.  How is that not a criminal offense?
 
2013-06-19 07:04:47 PM  

codergirl42: Rev.K: Quality headline.

Stolen from Reddit.


And/or Joystiq.
 
2013-06-19 07:05:34 PM  
Everyone hates the Kinect. They think it's stupid - me? I don't have a problem with it... (CUE CLARKSON!)... 
AND THIS IS WHY:

www.7outof10.co.uk

Play Forza 4/Horizon with it once. ONCE.

You will never touch the controller again. Wheel and pedal combos? OBSOLETE! The best ($30,000,000 in R&D) racing controller ever!

/I fully expect to see Stig helmets aplenty vs. Guy Fawkes masks.
 
2013-06-19 07:06:07 PM  
For selfish reasons, I could live with the always on issue if Microsoft would get rid of the requirement that you have to purchase a Gold Live account to watch streaming media. I already pay for Netflix, I'm not gonna pay to have to stream it to a device.
 
2013-06-19 07:06:52 PM  
Nice try Microsoft, but you still get the most f•cked up product roll out of the decade award. The very fact that you went in front of E3 and announced all those things (you back pedaled on all but one) proves that you are wildly out of touch with most of your fanboys.
 
2013-06-19 07:08:17 PM  

Jedekai: Everyone hates the Kinect. They think it's stupid - me? I don't have a problem with it... (CUE CLARKSON!)... 
AND THIS IS WHY:


image.superstreetonline.com

Yes, because playing a game with your arms outstretched in front of you for extended periods of times doesn't lend itself to fatigue or anything.
 
2013-06-19 07:10:19 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 07:11:06 PM  
RexTalionis:
Yes, because playing a game with your arms outstretched in front of you for extended periods of times doesn't lend itself to fatigue or anything.

the kinect would be sweet if someone could figure out what the hell it's good for but like the example you posted most of the uses for it are demonstrably worse than using a conventional controller.
 
2013-06-19 07:11:34 PM  
System Wars 3?
Who do you trust - who gets the money? Who's setting up to screw you later?
My decided opinion:

cdn.cnet.com.au
"Very Dangerous - you go first..."
 
2013-06-19 07:11:59 PM  
Wow, they walked this one back so fast Usain Bolt lost is world record.
 
2013-06-19 07:12:12 PM  
Sell a Kinect free bundle for $100 less we're in business.
 
2013-06-19 07:14:03 PM  

Voiceofreason01: RexTalionis:
Yes, because playing a game with your arms outstretched in front of you for extended periods of times doesn't lend itself to fatigue or anything.

the kinect would be sweet if someone could figure out what the hell it's good for but like the example you posted most of the uses for it are demonstrably worse than using a conventional controller.


Someone should build an XBox indie game where it's just a chess playing engine where you call out your chess moves by voice via the Kinect. Also, the chess game asks you about your day and stuff.

img.fark.net

Let's make this happen!
 
2013-06-19 07:15:48 PM  
RexTalionis:
Someone should build an XBox indie game where it's just a chess playing engine where you call out your chess moves by voice via the Kinect. Also, the chess game asks you about your day and stuff.

[img.fark.net image 600x243]

Let's make this happen!


actually that would be pretty cool.

/not cool enough to pay an extra $100 for but it's a start
 
2013-06-19 07:16:27 PM  

shifty lookin bleeder: hardinparamedic: Adolf Oliver Nipples: The Kinect thing will not change because they built it into the machine itself and they will not be redesigning it to remove it.

Little piece of electrical tape will solve a multitude of problems.

Just what do you think you're doing, Dave?


img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 07:17:03 PM  

Snaps: DanZero: Damn. So all those images bashing the console I've been hoarding and posting on nearly every Xbone thread here are useless.

And yes, still no word on the invasive camera.

The new hotness will be bashing MS for not sticking to their guns haha.


Judging from The Verge and Twitter, people that were already upset are still refusing to buy an XBone for fear of the obvious (it will eventually get implemented).

But now the people that were in love of the online sharing and diskless game play are also threatening to boycott.
 
2013-06-19 07:17:23 PM  

Voiceofreason01: the kinect would be sweet if someone could figure out what the hell it's good for but like the example you posted most of the uses for it are demonstrably worse than using a conventional controller.


Well, now that the new Kinect is sensitive enough to measure your heartbeat, listen to multiple people, map the 6 simultaneous users, see in the dark, and map the entirety of most living rooms, I have a feeling that game designers will be creating suspense & horror games games that will positively scare the living poop out of you.

Xbox: "please turn off the lights before playing this game"
Xbox: "Someone is behind you!"

Etc.
 
2013-06-19 07:17:51 PM  
Heh, I can't wait to see the fanboys who have been desperately justifying the DRM as a good thing in previous threads eat crow...

Elegy: Sonytearsofimpotentrage.jpg

Seriously? Freakin' SERIOUSLY?
 
2013-06-19 07:18:04 PM  

ajgeek: That was slower than I anticipated. I thought they'd reverse a couple weeks ago.

Q:    Will Xbox One allow players to trade in, purchase and play pre-owned games?
A:    We are designing Xbox One to enable customers to trade in and resell games. We'll have more details to share later.

This particular FAQ is hilarious. "Designing" indeed.


I said it in an earlier thread and I stand by it, the blocking of used/shared games appears to be built into not just the hardware but the very business model of teh XB1.  I'll believe this when I see it.

AkaDad: [img.fark.net image 463x345]


Dear Lord that interview was uncomfortable to watch.
 
2013-06-19 07:18:38 PM  

Jedekai: Play Forza 4/Horizon with it once. ONCE


I did, then I went back to the controller because it didn't work right.
 
2013-06-19 07:18:43 PM  

codergirl42: Rev.K: Quality headline.

Stolen from Reddit.


IMO, the headline is a very obvious riff on the 360 to begin with.
 
2013-06-19 07:19:10 PM  
For me, it's the Kinect. If I wanted it, I would have gotten it already. The Wii showed what motion controls simply for the sake of having them could do to gameplay. I want to play a game with the feature, I'll pick it up. Developers are going to shoehorn in motion control just to use it. There are going to be a lot of games that will have no other reason to use it, save that it's there, and we're going to see a lot of games just waste time and energy.

I get that they want to "transform" gameplay. I'm just not sure that I want to be a Guinea pig during their experimentation phase, and for damn sure not pay for the privilege...
 
2013-06-19 07:19:32 PM  
Unless XB1 is an upgraded xbox 360 I won't be buying one.  Which is weird, because xbox is all I have.

MS screwed up big on this one and already lost all the "gamers."  The only market they can compete with now is people who haven't been paying attention; i.e. moms buying their little kids a console.

Good night and good luck, Microsoft.
 
2013-06-19 07:19:50 PM  

TheOmni: Elegy: I'm actually a little bummed that MS backed down. I understand why they did it - Internet hate machine was steamrolling them and all - but with the DRM checking came the ability loan out digital copies of my game library, meaning I could have swapped games with my XBL friends. Now, no DRM, back to shiatty single-use licensing for digital content.

It's not no DRM. It's just back to the shiatty DRM we have had before instead of a new and differently shiatty DRM.


Being able to lend out 10 digital copies of games isn't a shiatty DRM - it would have been the most permissive DRM for digital content in the industry. The 24/1 hr checkins were needed to counterbalance people cheating the loan system.

But everyone screamed about 24hr checkins, and MS didn't get on top of the message that the checkins were counterbalanced by a very generous loan policy, and now we're back to the same shiatty model Steam and the 360 have, where I buy a digital game and its stuck on my device [sigh]
 
2013-06-19 07:20:57 PM  

RexTalionis: Jedekai: Everyone hates the Kinect. They think it's stupid - me? I don't have a problem with it... (CUE CLARKSON!)... 
AND THIS IS WHY:

[image.superstreetonline.com image 800x533]

Yes, because playing a game with your arms outstretched in front of you for extended periods of times doesn't lend itself to fatigue or anything.


Yeah it's not like you ever had to outstretch your arms for extended periods of times in real life.
 
2013-06-19 07:21:13 PM  

TheOmni: I like the headline, but it really should have linked to the actual news article.

They did seem to get rid of a couple of the worst things, but not all of them. For one, it seems that the Xbox will not work out of the box. It still has to connect to the internet and do some sort of registration and configuration there first. And they say there will be no regional restrictions for games, but it is not clear if there will be regional restrictions on that first time connect to the internet registration thing. Last I heard it would only work in 22 countries, so has that changed?




img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 07:22:37 PM  

codergirl42: Yeah it's not like you ever had to outstretch your arms for extended periods of times in real life.


Typically, I don't. They usually just hang at my side. I am not a Chinese vampire.

macegroupone.pbworks.com
 
2013-06-19 07:22:49 PM  

Jedekai: Everyone hates the Kinect. They think it's stupid - me? I don't have a problem with it... (CUE CLARKSON!)... 
AND THIS IS WHY:

[www.7outof10.co.uk image 850x478]

Play Forza 4/Horizon with it once. ONCE.

You will never touch the controller again. Wheel and pedal combos? OBSOLETE! The best ($30,000,000 in R&D) racing controller ever!

/I fully expect to see Stig helmets aplenty vs. Guy Fawkes masks.


Hi Voice of Sauron, I remember you from some other thread and just thought I'd chip in:  Playing make-belief steering wheel with your hands is no where as satisfying as actually gripping one like using a G27 or similar.  Vroom vroom, right?  You go ahead and look like a power ranger expression their deep opinions about world hunger, I'll be racing with something that's tangible and gives real feedback when your virtual car T-bones some xbone weenie.
 
2013-06-19 07:22:58 PM  

Voiceofreason01: wxboy: Too little too late probably.

You're probably buying a PS4 because Sony respects their customers and would never release a product with oppressive DRM, shoddy hardware or back out on their promises for how their product will work(or remove functionality after you've already bought their product)


Yeah this is why I'm not bothering with Sony ever again. It's PS3 all over, except this time I spent $80 or so on a rabble of decent games I won't be able to play on a new machine, instead of the classic PS2 games that enthralled me. And no free online and PS3 was a bunch of farking cover shooters and 3rd person cutscene games, or uncharted, which was both.
 
2013-06-19 07:23:40 PM  
Wait, where's all the shills who were saying how great and innovative being forced to be always online was? And how awesome and wonderful Microsoft was being by leading the way there?

Gone? You don't say?
 
2013-06-19 07:24:36 PM  

Snaps: Now get rid of Kinect.


It seems like the simplest way to get the price down to competitive PS4 level is to unbundle the Kinect One and make it a totally optional peripheral.

If Microsoft were doing things the simple way we wouldn't even be having this thread, though.
 
2013-06-19 07:24:39 PM  

Elegy: Sony bricks users consoles with upgraded HDDs, MS reverses on DRM.

[img.fark.net image 294x515]

I need more popcorn.


the tears from those who defended the DRM is even better tasting tbh

http://gizmodo.com/the-xbox-one-just-got-way-worse-and-its-our-fault -5 14411905?utm_campaign=socialflow_gizmodo_twitter&utm_source=gizmodo_tw itter&utm_medium=socialflow

also this asshole needs to eat crow

http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/used-games-twitter-compla in ts-and-sony-why-the-xbox-one-backlash-doesnt-mat

can't believe people defended this stuff, it's like the entitled argument - always on the wrong side of history
 
2013-06-19 07:24:45 PM  
See, I told you Microsoft didn't mean it.  They were just tired and under stress, they can change.  They have changed.  They still love me.
 
2013-06-19 07:24:51 PM  
Elegy:
But everyone screamed about 24hr checkins, and MS didn't get on top of the message that the checkins were counterbalanced by a very generous loan policy, and now we're back to the same shiatty model Steam and the 360 have, where I buy a digital game and its stuck on my device [sigh]
Ahem. On Steam it's tied to my account, not my device. I can literally log in anywhere and play my games.
 
2013-06-19 07:25:11 PM  

USA Prime Credit Peggy: Wait, where's all the shills who were saying how great and innovative being forced to be always online was? And how awesome and wonderful Microsoft was being by leading the way there?

Gone? You don't say?


They've switched gears to stem damage control surrounding the Eye of Sauron:  Living Room Edition it appears.
 
2013-06-19 07:25:20 PM  

USA Prime Credit Peggy: Wait, where's all the shills who were saying how great and innovative being forced to be always online was? And how awesome and wonderful Microsoft was being by leading the way there?

Gone? You don't say?


they've gone to the cloud...
 
2013-06-19 07:25:55 PM  

Warlockgs: Elegy:
But everyone screamed about 24hr checkins, and MS didn't get on top of the message that the checkins were counterbalanced by a very generous loan policy, and now we're back to the same shiatty model Steam and the 360 have, where I buy a digital game and its stuck on my device [sigh]
Ahem. On Steam it's tied to my account, not my device. I can literally log in anywhere and play my games.


And some reports are showing Steam put in some game sharing stuff into its last beta update, so we may be able to lend steam games to each other in the future.
 
2013-06-19 07:26:33 PM  

Warlockgs: Elegy:
But everyone screamed about 24hr checkins, and MS didn't get on top of the message that the checkins were counterbalanced by a very generous loan policy, and now we're back to the same shiatty model Steam and the 360 have, where I buy a digital game and its stuck on my device [sigh]
Ahem. On Steam it's tied to my account, not my device. I can literally log in anywhere and play my games.


don't tell him day 1 digital has nothing to do with 24hr check ins/drm/etc. either
 
2013-06-19 07:26:51 PM  

Jedekai: Play Forza 4/Horizon with it once. ONCE.


You only have to do it once for the achievement. I thusly did so exactly once.

Yay, you can steer. You just can't control your speed, the brakes, or the gear you're in, but you can steer. Sort of. Most of the time.
 
2013-06-19 07:27:20 PM  

Warlockgs: Elegy:
But everyone screamed about 24hr checkins, and MS didn't get on top of the message that the checkins were counterbalanced by a very generous loan policy, and now we're back to the same shiatty model Steam and the 360 have, where I buy a digital game and its stuck on my device [sigh]
Ahem. On Steam it's tied to my account, not my device. I can literally log in anywhere and play my games.


And Steam is rumored to start sharing games
 
2013-06-19 07:27:59 PM  
codergirl42:
Yeah it's not like you ever had to outstretch your arms for extended periods of times in real life.

I guess you missed the "wii-itis" thing. The body isn't built to sustain it.
 
2013-06-19 07:29:02 PM  
Ok,
So we're back down to Kinect vs No Kinect.

Seeing as I have enjoyed various Kinect experiences, (not quite games in the normal sense) I'm ok with the sensor coming as a pack in.

If MS want's to send me an email regarding my fapping habits, that's their problem.
 
2013-06-19 07:29:16 PM  

wxboy: Too little too late probably.


I don't think so. There initial launch won't be nearly as good as it would have been, but it'll even out over the next year or two, especially as prices drop.
 
2013-06-19 07:30:34 PM  

Warlockgs: Elegy:
But everyone screamed about 24hr checkins, and MS didn't get on top of the message that the checkins were counterbalanced by a very generous loan policy, and now we're back to the same shiatty model Steam and the 360 have, where I buy a digital game and its stuck on my device [sigh]
Ahem. On Steam it's tied to my account, not my device. I can literally log in anywhere and play my games.


Yeah, technically that's true for my 360 too - when I go to my SILs place I log in to my account and DL my games on her 360 to play.

It was poorly phrased, I was specifically talking about swapping and lending digital copies, sorry for the confusion.
 
2013-06-19 07:32:16 PM  

Snaps: DanZero: Damn. So all those images bashing the console I've been hoarding and posting on nearly every Xbone thread here are useless.

And yes, still no word on the invasive camera.

The new hotness will be bashing MS for not sticking to their guns haha.


You aren't joking. Apparently there were people out there who were actively excited by all the DRM and they are actively complaining that MS "caved".

Microsoft is now in the worst of all possible marketing outcomes. They've already pissed off half their user community, who may or may not come back, and now they've pissed off the  other half that had bought into the claims that these changes were good things.

And all Sony had to do was sit back and watch the implosion.
 
2013-06-19 07:35:17 PM  

Elegy: Warlockgs: Elegy:
But everyone screamed about 24hr checkins, and MS didn't get on top of the message that the checkins were counterbalanced by a very generous loan policy, and now we're back to the same shiatty model Steam and the 360 have, where I buy a digital game and its stuck on my device [sigh]
Ahem. On Steam it's tied to my account, not my device. I can literally log in anywhere and play my games.

Yeah, technically that's true for my 360 too - when I go to my SILs place I log in to my account and DL my games on her 360 to play.

It was poorly phrased, I was specifically talking about swapping and lending digital copies, sorry for the confusion.


Ah. Well, carry on then.
 
2013-06-19 07:35:25 PM  

Elegy: TheOmni: Elegy: I'm actually a little bummed that MS backed down. I understand why they did it - Internet hate machine was steamrolling them and all - but with the DRM checking came the ability loan out digital copies of my game library, meaning I could have swapped games with my XBL friends. Now, no DRM, back to shiatty single-use licensing for digital content.

It's not no DRM. It's just back to the shiatty DRM we have had before instead of a new and differently shiatty DRM.

Being able to lend out 10 digital copies of games isn't a shiatty DRM - it would have been the most permissive DRM for digital content in the industry. The 24/1 hr checkins were needed to counterbalance people cheating the loan system.

But everyone screamed about 24hr checkins, and MS didn't get on top of the message that the checkins were counterbalanced by a very generous loan policy, and now we're back to the same shiatty model Steam and the 360 have, where I buy a digital game and its stuck on my device [sigh]


Yeah, the loan and the check ins were somewhat counterbalancing each other, but a lot of people didn't care about the new loan policy, so for them there was no benefit, just a random requirement to check in once a day.
 
2013-06-19 07:36:19 PM  
Remove the Kinect and we'll talk. Until then fark off.
 
2013-06-19 07:36:47 PM  
Everyone would've been pleased if they had sold us on any positive aspect of the requirements and not let the blogs frame it as DRM/spying. But they didn't have any excuse, like EA with simcity, so they just looked like dumbasses.

God-is-a-Taco: codergirl42:
Yeah it's not like you ever had to outstretch your arms for extended periods of times in real life.

I guess you missed the "wii-itis" thing. The body isn't built to sustain it.


It's not like you're mimicking real movements or anything. The wiimote+nunchuk's the most comfortable controller I've got. And holding R2+forward for hours at a time isn't sustainable either, every PS3 game.
 
2013-06-19 07:38:01 PM  

Elegy: snuffy: still there is bills unblinking eye on you.

Yeahhhhh, that ones been debunked.


From the article:
You can use other inputs to control your games, TV and entertainment experiences

That's nice. So, tell me again, why I should pay $100 surcharge for hardware that I have no interest in nor intention of using, especially when it is entirely optional to the actual use experience.
 
2013-06-19 07:39:16 PM  

RexTalionis: Jedekai: Everyone hates the Kinect. They think it's stupid - me? I don't have a problem with it... (CUE CLARKSON!)... 
AND THIS IS WHY:

[image.superstreetonline.com image 800x533]

Yes, because playing a game with your arms outstretched in front of you for extended periods of times doesn't lend itself to fatigue or anything.


And, multiple controls with no tactile feedback and in fact no physical location?  Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor tried this and failed...
 
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