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2013-06-19 05:14:13 PM  
notfncute.com

Now get rid of Kinect.
 
2013-06-19 05:14:18 PM  
behold the power of social media.

the always-on camera is still spooky though.
 
2013-06-19 05:15:15 PM  
img.fark.net

Fire that douchebag Don Mattrick, make the Kinect non-mandatory, and maybe, MAYBE we'll talk XB1. But probably not.
 
2013-06-19 05:16:21 PM  
Quality headline.
 
2013-06-19 05:19:09 PM  

FlashHarry: behold the power of social media.

the always-on camera is still spooky though.


Steve Balmer is watching you masturbate.
 
2013-06-19 05:19:37 PM  
Still 100 bucks more expensive and still needs the Kinect to play. Fark off Don.

I'll stick with PS3 and Steam. PS4 soon.
 
2013-06-19 05:20:33 PM  
Damn. So all those images bashing the console I've been hoarding and posting on nearly every Xbone thread here are useless.

And yes, still no word on the invasive camera.
 
2013-06-19 05:21:05 PM  

DanZero: Damn. So all those images bashing the console I've been hoarding and posting on nearly every Xbone thread here are useless.

And yes, still no word on the invasive camera.


The new hotness will be bashing MS for not sticking to their guns haha.
 
2013-06-19 05:21:44 PM  
I honestly think Microsoft is trying to run itself into the ground.  Given the sheer number if times that they've stepped on their dick over the last two years, it's the only explanation for why the Board of Directors hasn't given Ballmer his walking papers yet.

/Hopefully they'll come to their senses before he shifts his gaze towards Servers and Tools.
//Don't fark with my Visual Studio.
 
2013-06-19 05:22:02 PM  

eddievercetti: Still 100 bucks more expensive and still needs the Kinect to play. Fark off Don.

I'll stick with PS3 and Steam. PS4 soon.


Oh, don't tell him to fark off. Watching Don Mattick is like watching a bus wreck into a gas station and burn with those on board screaming, or a Tijuana Donkey Show. It's horrific, but you just can't help but stare in awe at it.
 
2013-06-19 05:22:52 PM  

Snaps: The new hotness will be bashing MS for not sticking to their guns haha.


Very good point. Hopefully there will be a new angle for those image-makers out there now.
 
2013-06-19 05:23:55 PM  

hardinparamedic: eddievercetti: Still 100 bucks more expensive and still needs the Kinect to play. Fark off Don.

I'll stick with PS3 and Steam. PS4 soon.

Oh, don't tell him to fark off. Watching Don Mattick is like watching a bus wreck into a gas station and burn with those on board screaming, or a Tijuana Donkey Show. It's horrific, but you just can't help but stare in awe at it.


There's just something off about him. He reminds me of Kenneth on 30 Rock.

img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 05:26:45 PM  
Called it.
 
2013-06-19 05:27:49 PM  

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First it's ironic that Sony is now taking the high ground on anti-DRM.

Secondly, Microsoft will cave to public opinion on this. They're stupid, but not stubbornly so.


11 Jun 2013 05:50 PM
 
2013-06-19 05:30:04 PM  

hardinparamedic: Steve Balmer is watching you masturbate.


img.fark.net

you know, it's kinky... but i like it!
 
2013-06-19 05:30:46 PM  
Holy crap someone teach me how to link to old comments.
 
2013-06-19 05:37:59 PM  
It's funny, I could live with all the DRM but the one thing that remains is the one thing I hate the most, mandatory Kinect.
 
2013-06-19 05:40:37 PM  

justtray: Holy crap someone teach me how to link to old comments.


Left click on the timestamp of the post, select "Copy Link Location", and use it as a hotlink. Quoe as necessary.

Anyway, this change was obvious because the always-on thing wasn't actually an always-on thing. It came out that you could play it offline weeks ago. The Kinect thing will not change because they built it into the machine itself and they will not be redesigning it to remove it.
 
2013-06-19 05:41:30 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: The Kinect thing will not change because they built it into the machine itself and they will not be redesigning it to remove it.


Little piece of electrical tape will solve a multitude of problems.
 
2013-06-19 05:42:52 PM  
What changed? You still need connect, still need internet (they have said it needs to check in daily, this doesn't dispute that), and it still looks like used games are going to only go through them and you will have to reliscense them? Looks like the same shiat we have been discussing.
 
2013-06-19 05:43:15 PM  

hardinparamedic: Adolf Oliver Nipples: The Kinect thing will not change because they built it into the machine itself and they will not be redesigning it to remove it.

Little piece of electrical tape will solve a multitude of problems.


ERROR: Kinect Sensor is obstructed. Please fix obstruction to continue playing game that has nothing to do with the Kinect Sensor.
 
2013-06-19 05:46:07 PM  

NickelP: What changed? You still need connect, still need internet (they have said it needs to check in daily, this doesn't dispute that), and it still looks like used games are going to only go through them and you will have to reliscense them? Looks like the same shiat we have been discussing.


That's because subby linked to old information. The new information is on a link at the top. I'll just post it all here anyway:

Last week at E3, the excitement, creativity and future of our industry was on display for a global audience.

For us, the future comes in the form of Xbox One, a system designed to be the best place to play games this year and for many years to come. As is our heritage with Xbox, we designed a system that could take full advantage of advances in technology in order to deliver a breakthrough in game play and entertainment. We imagined a new set of benefits such as easier roaming, family sharing, and new ways to try and buy games. We believe in the benefits of a connected, digital future.

Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback. I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One.

You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world.

So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:


An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games - After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.

Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today - There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.
In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.

These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.

Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.
 
2013-06-19 05:50:40 PM  

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First it's ironic that Sony is now taking the high ground on anti-DRM.

Secondly, Microsoft will cave to public opinion on this. They're stupid, but not stubbornly so.


11 Jun 2013 05:50 PM


We're all proud of you.
 
2013-06-19 05:53:58 PM  

scottydoesntknow: NickelP: What changed? You still need connect, still need internet (they have said it needs to check in daily, this doesn't dispute that), and it still looks like used games are going to only go through them and you will have to reliscense them? Looks like the same shiat we have been discussing.

That's because subby linked to old information. The new information is on a link at the top. I'll just post it all here anyway:

Last week at E3, the excitement, creativity and future of our industry was on display for a global audience.

For us, the future comes in the form of Xbox One, a system designed to be the best place to play games this year and for many years to come. As is our heritage with Xbox, we designed a system that could take full advantage of advances in technology in order to deliver a breakthrough in game play and entertainment. We imagined a new set of benefits such as easier roaming, family sharing, and new ways to try and buy games. We believe in the benefits of a connected, digital future.

Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback. I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One.

You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world.

So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. Here is what that means:


An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games - After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.

Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today - There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.
In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console -- there will be no regional restrictions.

These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.

Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.


Ah thanks that is a bit different
 
2013-06-19 05:58:09 PM  
Sony bricks users consoles with upgraded HDDs, MS reverses on DRM.

img.fark.net

I need more popcorn.
 
2013-06-19 06:07:05 PM  
Q: Will Xbox One allow players to trade in, purchase and play pre-owned games?
A:  We are designing Xbox One to enable customers to trade in and resell games. We'll have more details to share later.


Now that's how you low-ball a FAQ.

/Q: Is there a chance the track could bend?
//A: Not on your life my Hindu friend!
/// Monorail!
 
2013-06-19 06:07:51 PM  
Happy to see customers still having a voice in the industry.
I look forward to 20 more greenlights of this exact subject.
 
2013-06-19 06:18:41 PM  
Still not getting one.
 
2013-06-19 06:21:10 PM  
Too little too late probably.
 
2013-06-19 06:22:18 PM  
still there is bills unblinking eye on you.
 
2013-06-19 06:27:40 PM  

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First it's ironic that Sony is now taking the high ground on anti-DRM.

Secondly, Microsoft will cave to public opinion on this. They're stupid, but not stubbornly so.


11 Jun 2013 05:50 PM

We're all proud of you.


This is what butthurt in text form looks like.
 
2013-06-19 06:29:03 PM  

hardinparamedic: Adolf Oliver Nipples: The Kinect thing will not change because they built it into the machine itself and they will not be redesigning it to remove it.

Little piece of electrical tape will solve a multitude of problems.


Just what do you think you're doing, Dave?
 
2013-06-19 06:30:33 PM  

PainInTheASP: Don't fark with my Visual Studio


They already did.

/you HAVE seen the new color scheme, yes?
 
2013-06-19 06:31:17 PM  

wxboy: Too little too late probably.


You're probably buying a PS4 because Sony respects their customers and would never release a product with oppressive DRM, shoddy hardware or back out on their promises for how their product will work(or remove functionality after you've already bought their product)
 
2013-06-19 06:35:26 PM  

Voiceofreason01: wxboy: Too little too late probably.

You're probably buying a PS4 because Sony respects their customers and would never release a product with oppressive DRM, shoddy hardware or back out on their promises for how their product will work(or remove functionality after you've already bought their product)


In the last thread I still think Sony has an edge at the dawn of the next generation, due mostly to price point of their basic box.  However, Sony has proven more than capable of squandering any advantage they have.
 
2013-06-19 06:40:09 PM  

Nefarious: Voiceofreason01: wxboy: Too little too late probably.

You're probably buying a PS4 because Sony respects their customers and would never release a product with oppressive DRM, shoddy hardware or back out on their promises for how their product will work(or remove functionality after you've already bought their product)

In the last thread I still think Sony has an edge at the dawn of the next generation, due mostly to price point of their basic box.  However, Sony has proven more than capable of squandering any advantage they have.


Right now I'm having a hard time coming up with a reason to buy either of them. Sony has a big advantage for the moment because of the price but I feel that they will find some way to screw that up and that ultimately all this controversy will mean nothing when the final sales totals come in. The real deciding factor in the long run will be who can bring the best games to market and that's still up in the air.
 
2013-06-19 06:41:56 PM  

Voiceofreason01: Nefarious: Voiceofreason01: wxboy: Too little too late probably.

You're probably buying a PS4 because Sony respects their customers and would never release a product with oppressive DRM, shoddy hardware or back out on their promises for how their product will work(or remove functionality after you've already bought their product)

In the last thread I still think Sony has an edge at the dawn of the next generation, due mostly to price point of their basic box.  However, Sony has proven more than capable of squandering any advantage they have.

Right now I'm having a hard time coming up with a reason to buy either of them. Sony has a big advantage for the moment because of the price but I feel that they will find some way to screw that up and that ultimately all this controversy will mean nothing when the final sales totals come in. The real deciding factor in the long run will be who can bring the best games to market and that's still up in the air.


To be honest, I actually canceled my pre-order to save money. I don't think I'll be getting either.
 
2013-06-19 06:43:09 PM  

Voiceofreason01: wxboy: Too little too late probably.

You're probably buying a PS4 because Sony respects their customers and would never release a product with oppressive DRM, shoddy hardware or back out on their promises for how their product will work(or remove functionality after you've already bought their product)


In the end it comes down to what you want. It always does. I want to play Forza 5, so it's the XBox for me. If I bought a Playstation I would have to deal with their particular peccadilloes. If I played on a PC I'd have their DRM/use restrictions. There's no way around it, one way or another we'll either have to get used to it or enjoy older games on older systems without these things.

/Thank God for the Atari 2600
//Solaris FTW
 
2013-06-19 06:43:43 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: PainInTheASP: Don't fark with my Visual Studio

They already did.

/you HAVE seen the new color scheme, yes?


It's not too bad.  The service pack has a "blue" color scheme option that allows you to go back to the blue scheme that 2010 had.  And there's a registry hack that will allow you to turn off the all-caps menu.

As long as they don't replace the farking menu with a "screen" of colored tiles that don't do shiat outside of look pretty, I'll be fine.
 
2013-06-19 06:44:29 PM  
Running and shooting things with slightly better graphics.
 
2013-06-19 06:44:57 PM  

WalkingCarpet: It's funny, I could live with all the DRM but the one thing that remains is the one thing I hate the most, mandatory Kinect.


Most popular gaming accessory of 2014:
img.fark.net
 
2013-06-19 06:46:47 PM  
I look forward to the Christmas trample/knifing stories when these things hit the shelves

/Got out of retail this year
//Will be spending every weekend in November and December not shopping
 
2013-06-19 06:56:19 PM  
I'm actually a little bummed that MS backed down. I understand why they did it - Internet hate machine was steamrolling them and all - but with the DRM checking came the ability loan out digital copies of my game library, meaning I could have swapped games with my XBL friends. Now, no DRM, back to shiatty single-use licensing for digital content.

However, I do understand why that trade off doesn't work for soldiers, people with dodgy Internet connections, and the global market, and I do think MS made the right move

FlashHarry: the always-on camera is still spooky though.


DanZero: And yes, still no word on the invasive camera.


snuffy: still there is bills unblinking eye on you.


Yeahhhhh, that ones been debunked.
 
2013-06-19 06:59:06 PM  
I like the headline, but it really should have linked to the actual news article.

They did seem to get rid of a couple of the worst things, but not all of them. For one, it seems that the Xbox will not work out of the box. It still has to connect to the internet and do some sort of registration and configuration there first. And they say there will be no regional restrictions for games, but it is not clear if there will be regional restrictions on that first time connect to the internet registration thing. Last I heard it would only work in 22 countries, so has that changed?
 
2013-06-19 07:00:08 PM  
That was slower than I anticipated. I thought they'd reverse a couple weeks ago.

Q:    Will Xbox One allow players to trade in, purchase and play pre-owned games?
A:    We are designing Xbox One to enable customers to trade in and resell games. We'll have more details to share later.


This particular FAQ is hilarious. "Designing" indeed.
 
2013-06-19 07:01:16 PM  
Heh.  Looks like someone doesn't want to lose the next round of the console wars before they even start.
 
2013-06-19 07:01:28 PM  

Elegy: Yeahhhhh, that ones been debunked.


I'm waiting to see if they were planning on implementing that visual DRM system for movies and video that Microsoft filed a patent application on a year or two back.
 
2013-06-19 07:02:28 PM  

ajgeek: That was slower than I anticipated. I thought they'd reverse a couple weeks ago.

Q:    Will Xbox One allow players to trade in, purchase and play pre-owned games?
A:    We are designing Xbox One to enable customers to trade in and resell games. We'll have more details to share later.

This particular FAQ is hilarious. "Designing" indeed.


Yes, and this occurs soon after they tell everyone to go fark themselves with their old 360 games, which will be obsolete.  What sort of used game market is there going to be for the "One" for the first several months????

\can't even find a Wii U used game
\\Wii U!
 
2013-06-19 07:02:48 PM  

Elegy: I'm actually a little bummed that MS backed down. I understand why they did it - Internet hate machine was steamrolling them and all - but with the DRM checking came the ability loan out digital copies of my game library, meaning I could have swapped games with my XBL friends. Now, no DRM, back to shiatty single-use licensing for digital content.


It's not no DRM. It's just back to the shiatty DRM we have had before instead of a new and differently shiatty DRM.
 
2013-06-19 07:03:05 PM  

Rev.K: Quality headline.


Stolen from Reddit.
 
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